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Title: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: Robeenhuut on Aug 17, 09:56 PM 2011
Hello everybody

Found this on other roulette forum  (not VLS)

U can use any EC. I personally use BR. Attached file is self explanatory.
Welcome any comments or tweaks.

Regards
Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: vladir on Aug 18, 06:44 AM 2011
Hi. How do you open up this file? Can you explain please? Thank you.
Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: weddings on Aug 18, 10:35 PM 2011
How self explanatory is it? Do we open the xml file?
Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: Robeenhuut on Aug 19, 12:05 AM 2011
Hello everybody

U just have to open the file. Use any unzipping software like Winrar or Winzip.
I could not post this file directly here. Im sorry.
U just play any EC and after 3 consecutive bets either u continue betting
at lowest stakes if u r ahead or increase yr bets by 1 level. So u start with 2 units bets
and go 4,8,16,32 etc if necessary.
Beauty of it is that u r immune 2 streaks like  15 B in row. I usually bet few times consecutively on the same EC. With proper staking u should be always able to pull yourself up so maybe it should be renamed  EC chances upper only  ;)

Just go through the file.

Regards

Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: marivo on Aug 19, 03:21 AM 2011
When I unzip it what then? What should I "click"?
Thanks
Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: vladir on Aug 19, 03:31 AM 2011
Y, I used winrar, thats not the problem. The problem is thereafter... I try to open the xml file, but I'm not very good with programming... Where exactly is this "self explanatory" file ?
Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: Robeenhuut on Aug 19, 03:37 AM 2011
Hello everybody


Ok give me some time. i will look into it if u have a problem opening it.
Sorry about that.

Regards
Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: Robeenhuut on Aug 19, 03:58 AM 2011
Hello everybody

Can somebody tell me if he was able to open the file?  it can be open with winzip but
its not free as far i know. i will try to use winrar which trial version is free.
its big file with examples of betting.

Regards
Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: Robeenhuut on Aug 19, 04:12 AM 2011
Best option is to send me message and i will email u an original file. the problem here is that it is compressed.

regards
Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 19, 05:36 AM 2011
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Aug 19, 04:12 AM 2011
Best option is to send me message and i will email u an original file. the problem here is that it is compressed.

regards


---I think the problem here is;2-4-8-16-32 .....yes that is the only problem.
Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: Robeenhuut on Aug 19, 06:09 AM 2011
Hello Flat 

U have to be ready to be in the negative territory but with proper MM u should manage to pull yourself up back. Once above 0 this thing moves. U can go of course 1,2,4.....

Hello everybody


link:://w740.wrzuta.pl/plik/9JCgMZJhRrn/tte (link:://w740.wrzuta.pl/plik/9JCgMZJhRrn/tte)

Here is the link  Click file tte and it opens in MS Office Excel


Regards
Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: vladir on Aug 19, 07:24 AM 2011
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Aug 19, 06:09 AM 2011
Hello Flat 

You have to be ready to be in the negative territory but with proper MM u should manage to pull yourself up back. Once above 0 this thing moves. You can go of course 1,2,4.....

Hello everybody


link:://w740.wrzuta.pl/plik/9JCgMZJhRrn/tte (link:://w740.wrzuta.pl/plik/9JCgMZJhRrn/tte)

Here is the link  Click file tte and it opens in MS Office Excel


Regards

Ah, much better thank you!
Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: weddings on Aug 19, 11:19 AM 2011
When do we increase from 0.2 to 0.4 and so on?
Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: Robeenhuut on Aug 19, 09:30 PM 2011
Quote from: weddings on Aug 19, 11:19 AM 2011
When do we increase from 0.2 to 0.4 and so on?

Just go through the file and u will see the pattern. U can be flexible here. 
U make series of 3 consecutive bets. If u r ahead after this u just continue at lowest
betting level. If not increase yr bets accordingly to go over the highest level
u were at.

22   -0.2    7.4   
30   -0.2    7.2
0     -0.2    7
7      0.2    7.2   -0.2  increase to 0.4
2     -0.4    6.8
3      0.4    7.2
12   -0.4    6.8   -0.4  increase to 0.8
4     -0.8    6
0     -0.8    5.2
19    0.8    6       -0.8  increase to 1.6
24   -1.6   4.4     
20   -1.6   2.8
30   -1.6   1.2     -4.8  increase to 3.2
3      3.2   4.4
7      3.2   7.6   
25    0.2   7.8    important  u r above yr highest level  so u drop to 0.2
16   -0.2   7.6
13    0.2   7.8     
5      0.2   8          0.2  keep at 0.2
26    -0.2  7.8
34    -0.2  7.6
19     0.2   7.4      -0.2 increase to 0.4
3       0.4   7.8
28    -0.4   7.4
14    -0.4   7         -0.4 increase to 0.8
29     0.8   7.8     
29     0.8   8.6   
2      -0.8  7.8       u can go 0.2 to get to 8 yr highest level or increase to 0.4 to go above

Hope that this example answers a lot of potential questions.
28 bets -  16 lost  12 won u ahead.  About 40% success ratio.
Do i need to say more.  U will be ahead with even lover ratio.
In the long run what is yr success ratio betting EC?  Last time i checked it
was around 50%   ;)

Regards
Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: marivo on Aug 22, 05:05 AM 2011
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Aug 22, 03:11 AM 2011
I play Reverse dozens 4 a while.  Never lost in 300+ games.  But it is just pure luck.
All d fancy matrixes lose at some time.  I lost FIRST ever game of CODE 4  played n some people report winning streaks of hundreds  ;D 
So prefer faster turnover methods but they lose all at some point.
I won 300+ games playing dozens so i will be ahead. KISS keep it simple  ;D 
Check my EC Up n Downer.  It has some merit n will
always work in long run  ;D 

But u need some bankroll.

Regards


Always in long run.......what bankroll?
Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: warrior on Aug 22, 08:38 AM 2011
Why would this work in the long run?
Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: Robeenhuut on Aug 22, 09:59 AM 2011
Quote from: warrior on Aug 22, 08:38 AM 2011
Why would this work in the long run?

It works even f u r under 40% in betting accuracy. What is yr accuracy in predicting coin toss in lets say 200 tries?  Last time i checked it should be around 50%.  So f u place random bets on any EC in d long run u should ALWAYS be ahead with this thing.
And answering a previous post about bankroll  f u go 2,4,8,16,32,64 etc  d lowest u go is 64 but is very rare.  Test this on d starting level of 0.2  or even 0.1 f u r really apprehensive  ;D

Hope this answers some questions  ;D

Regards

Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: warrior on Aug 22, 10:13 AM 2011
i can not open file ,so you are basically playing black or red or any even chance 3 times and adjusting mm,if you lose 3 in a row then what ?



?
Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: Robeenhuut on Aug 22, 11:12 AM 2011
Quote from: warrior on Aug 22, 10:13 AM 2011
i can not open file ,so you are basically playing black or red or any even chance 3 times and adjusting mm,if you lose 3 in a row then what ?



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hello warrior

Read my previous posts plz . There is short example of d file. Basically f u loose 3 times
u go 2 d next level of betting. U always increase yr bets accordingly so f u win 2 out of 3 in d next sequence u should go over  yr highest position. D objective here is 2 always be ahead. 
U can aim to recover in 1 successful bet or f u win 2 out of 3.
This is not that relevant.  U should realize that in d long run f u bet blindly on any EC u should be at around 50% n f u @ this level u always ahead here f u follow d rules.
In my file d betting accuracy is lower than 50% n u go from 0 2 100 units in 1000 spins
at betting level of 0.2 euro.  ;D
Any more questions?  ;D

Regards



Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: slatan on Aug 22, 12:59 PM 2011
Robeenhuut, what RNG is good to use for this system? I guess it's not possible to use on live wheel because it's gonna take for ever ;D I want to try 0.1 or 0.2 bets. Any advice of what RNG I have to choose? Is betvoyage no zero good? Or they are all rigged?
Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: vladir on Aug 23, 06:18 AM 2011
Maybe this could work in betvoyager no 0 wheel, if you start with 0.01 bet units and a bankroll of at least 100.00

I have seen statistics for 10 million spins in a 0 wheel, and the most an EC repeats itself (or in other words, the most times you could loose in a row) is 28. Starting to bet at 0.01, you can survive in the progression  up to the 30th spin, still betting only 5.12. you can go to 33, betting 10.24 and to 36 betting 20.48 (higher bankroll required). But I have only saw 1 example of an EC reaching 28 repetitives(or misses), in a 0 whell. 28 is *really* a rare ocasion.

A bot for this would be nice, to bet in all EC's at the same time with this method... (again, higher bankroll required, I would say 300 - 100 for each EC).
Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: Robeenhuut on Aug 23, 07:28 AM 2011
Hello Vladir

I change my bets on any EC. F u do it randomly in d practice u should not loose yr bet consecutively more than 6 times in d row.  Bet always 2 or 3 times on repeat of d color.
This system works f u r even around 40% right in yr bets. Flip d coin 100 times n try 2 guess d outcome. U should be around 50% right.

Regards

Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: vladir on Aug 23, 07:49 AM 2011
Y, there are severall methods for bet selection to choose. Always betting on the same is probably good and simple. In playtech casinos, you can see the percentage of hits in B or R, E/O, H/L ... It's usually quite stable between 46% and 54%  (never seen it out of this values).
Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: superman on Aug 23, 07:55 AM 2011
QuoteA bot for this would be nice

Maybe will do it

QuoteY, there are severall methods for bet selection to choose

What are the selections? I can't work it out from the file
Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: vladir on Aug 23, 08:02 AM 2011
Quote from: superman on Aug 23, 07:55 AM 2011

Maybe will do it
 
What are the selections? I can't work it out from the file

Just choose one. For example, always bet RED.
Bet selection is almost irrelevant here, it's the MM that *maybe* can make this work.

Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: Robeenhuut on Aug 23, 08:18 AM 2011
Hello everybody

Yeah  bet selection is irrelevant. I bet  2-4 times consecutively on d same event.
I would not 2 long on d same event 2 avoid going against streaks. MM is simple f u look in d file or short example few posts b4.

Regards
Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: vladir on Aug 23, 09:05 AM 2011
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Aug 23, 08:18 AM 2011
Hello everybody

Yeah  bet selection is irrelevant. I bet  2-4 times consecutively on d same event.
I would not 2 long on d same event 2 avoid going against streaks. MM is simple f u look in d file or short example few posts b4.

Regards

Shouldn't you keep with the same event at least until you are in profitt... ?

Another question. If you lose 4 first bets, and win 5th and 6th, what you do? E.g. :

-0,1 L
-0,1 L
-0,1 L
-0,2 L
+0,2 W
+0,2 W

Balance is -0,1 by now. do you go on with the progression using 0,4? Do you reset to 0,1? Do you stay at 0,2 ?
Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: Robeenhuut on Aug 23, 10:04 AM 2011
Hello Vladir

I personally bet 3 or 4 times consecutively 4 d same events f i win.
F i loose then i always bet on d last color  but its not that important.

In yr example u lost 3 times at 0.1 level so u should go 2 0.4 level
2 win first bet n go above yr highest position which was 0.
After  u go over it u should reset 2 0.1.  U can be flexible n stay at 0.4 as well
4 d next 2 bets.  U always check yr position after 3 bets - only exception is f u go above yr highest position.
Check d file n my previous post with short example.

Regards

Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: vladir on Aug 23, 12:16 PM 2011
Sorry, I have been making some test... it's a long term looser, unless you have 2,000,000 units to play... After 60.000 spins, a series of losses with some single wins in the midle of the sequence took the betting value to the stars.... Maybe it can do better in a no 0 wheel at bet voyager...
Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: Robeenhuut on Aug 23, 01:02 PM 2011

Its very difficult 2 test it in d long run because of varying betting sequence.  How long were d sequences of losses?  Did u test it on RNG?. Use real numbers from any online casino live wheel.  ;D

And every system loses some time  ;D

Regards
Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: Nathanael on Sep 01, 11:27 PM 2011
Rob,

Very hard for me to understand.

Can someone who knows it good, help to understand?

Nate
Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: Robeenhuut on Sep 02, 12:07 AM 2011
Quote from: Nathanael on Sep 01, 11:27 PM 2011
Rob,

Very hard for me to understand.

Can someone who knows it good, help to understand?

Nate

Hello Nate

Go through my previous posts.  There is a file attached n i one of my previous posts i gave a short example of betting sequence.  I cant make it more clear i think.

Regards
Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: vladir on Sep 02, 05:30 AM 2011
I said in a previous post that betting pattern would not matter, but it does (a bit).


First of all, if you always bet the same pattern, you lose long term. Another thing to consider is that "rigid" patterns seem to have longer losing streaks- like always betting one colour -  then patterns that are more dynamic (e.g. follow the last). I have no proof of this being true, except mere observation of spin results.

Also, in this case, I think this progression will kill you eventually 2-4-8- 16.....


You know, I have thinked a lot about this. If we where to flat bet with 1 unit any EC pattern, after 1000 spins, you would have roughly 9730 units in the end (considering house edge of 2,7%). This is because we lose about 52% of the time and win 48%.

The problem with martingale progressions is that they try to recover  all the previous last bets and incluede 1 unit profit. This is, I think, wrong aproach. What we need is a possitive balance in the end of each mini-session. This is accomplished easily with lower progressions that try only to win more on a winning bet then on a losing bet, not an immediate profit for the session.


An idea I had today is that it would be AWSOME to have a tracker for this. I would love to have a tracker of each R/B, O/E, H/L pattern bettings (with Follow the last, Oposite the last, Follow previous of the last, Oposite previous of the last, and each of the ECs(always Red, or always Black). A tracker with statistics for lets say last /20 spins /50 spins /100 spins, so we could play virtually all the ECs, all the patterns at the same time and then , after a high % of losses is reached in one of the patterns, we could play a low progression on the expected wins. Don't confuse this with the gamblers falacy. I'm not saying any specific number is due, or that REDS or BLACKS are due, what I'm saying is that this events must happen more or less 50% of the time to ensure randomness. They do not represent exact triggers and losses would happen, but in the long run, it shoudl be profitable...and we can extend a session for as long as we need (if we have a bankroll for that of course).

I play like this:

1-1-2-2-2-3-3-3-4-4-4-5-5-5-6-6-6....

Whenever I lose, I go rigth one step. When I win, I continue betting the same until I'm in profit or have had 3 wins in a row, and in this case I evaluate to see where in the progression I should replace my bets, in order just to recover my initial balance if I win a 4th time. (winnig 3-4 times in a row after a long losing strake happens a lot....).
Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: Robeenhuut on Sep 02, 10:50 PM 2011
Quote from: vladir on Sep 02, 05:30 AM 2011
I said in a previous post that betting pattern would not matter, but it does (a bit).


First of all, if you always bet the same pattern, you lose long term. Another thing to consider is that "rigid" patterns seem to have longer losing streaks- like always betting one colour -  then patterns that are more dynamic (e.g. follow the last). I have no proof of this being true, except mere observation of spin results.

Also, in this case, I think this progression will kill you eventually 2-4-8- 16.....


You know, I have thinked a lot about this. If we where to flat bet with 1 unit any EC pattern, after 1000 spins, you would have roughly 9730 units in the end (considering house edge of 2,7%). This is because we lose about 52% of the time and win 48%.

The problem with martingale progressions is that they try to recover  all the previous last bets and incluede 1 unit profit. This is, I think, wrong aproach. What we need is a possitive balance in the end of each mini-session. This is accomplished easily with lower progressions that try only to win more on a winning bet then on a losing bet, not an immediate profit for the session.


An idea I had today is that it would be AWSOME to have a tracker for this. I would love to have a tracker of each R/B, O/E, H/L pattern bettings (with Follow the last, Oposite the last, Follow previous of the last, Oposite previous of the last, and each of the ECs(always Red, or always Black). A tracker with statistics for lets say last /20 spins /50 spins /100 spins, so we could play virtually all the ECs, all the patterns at the same time and then , after a high % of losses is reached in one of the patterns, we could play a low progression on the expected wins. Don't confuse this with the gamblers falacy. I'm not saying any specific number is due, or that REDS or BLACKS are due, what I'm saying is that this events must happen more or less 50% of the time to ensure randomness. They do not represent exact triggers and losses would happen, but in the long run, it shoudl be profitable...and we can extend a session for as long as we need (if we have a bankroll for that of course).

I play like this:

1-1-2-2-2-3-3-3-4-4-4-5-5-5-6-6-6....

Whenever I lose, I go rigth one step. When I win, I continue betting the same until I'm in profit or have had 3 wins in a row, and in this case I evaluate to see where in the progression I should replace my bets, in order just to recover my initial balance if I win a 4th time. (winnig 3-4 times in a row after a long losing strake happens a lot....).

Hello Vladir

U r right. But basically main objective here is 2 pull yrself bk 2 yr highest level u were at. U can be flexible here with bets. U can aim 2 recover f u win 2 out of 3 next bets.
F u pull bk go 2 initial level.  I play 1 euro. I always bet on 3 repeats no matter what happened b4.  This way u r immune 2 ba streaks. Few days ago i lost 9 consecutive bets but pulled bk into positive territory.

Regards
Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: vladir on Sep 16, 12:53 PM 2011
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Aug 23, 01:02 PM 2011
Its very difficult 2 test it in d long run because of varying betting sequence.  How long were d sequences of losses?  Did u test it on RNG?. Use real numbers from any online casino live wheel.  ;D

And every system loses some time  ;D

Regards

Sorry that I didnt answer this specific questions before. The test I made was with some samples with single 0 wheel that I downloaded from here some time ago (about 700.00, from wich I use only the first 300.000 usually, and it's already too much for my computer...lol).

I didnt analyzed the sequences of losses.

In this test, I used the initial suggestions of playing and I didn't change the betting pattern. I tried betting always Red or always Black.





Title: Re: Even Chances Up and Downer
Post by: Robeenhuut on Sep 16, 09:52 PM 2011
Quote from: vladir on Sep 16, 12:53 PM 2011
Sorry that I didn't answer this specific questions before. The test I made was with some samples with single 0 wheel that I downloaded from here some time ago (about 700.00, from wich I use only the first 300.000 usually, and it's already too much for my computer...LoL).

I didn't analyzed the sequences of losses.

In this test, I used the initial suggestions of playing and I didn't change the betting pattern. I tried betting always Red or always Black.

Hello Vladir

Thx 4 yr input here. This is a dynamic bet. Difficult 2 code. i usually follow d color 4 up 2 3 or 4 times then switch.  But not always. When u see streaks forming u ride them.
With proper MM u will win here most of d time. Put stop loss at relatively low figure n recover in d next session.

Regards