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With thanx, a nod  ;) and a Wink to Atlantis for this Topic allowance.
Here is the Original Topic. (link:://rouletteforum.cc/testing-zone/the-missing-pattern-ec-system/msg65397/#msg65397)

I am bringing forward, Atlantis's very interesting idea, of following/tracking the Missing 3 way EC formulation, and putting it to Good use, as a Potential Inside bet. [reveal]all set to music[/reveal]

Progression List for the 4 inside bets, will follow on the Next post. (I'll do one for 5 inside bets later)

:If playing only 4 inside numbers from the outcome of the assessment of missing EC System-
then this is my progression chart.

For instance, from one of the examples shown by Atlantis, here's a run down of the EC' groups ticked off as they show.

ROLx   |x|x|
RELx   |x|?|
ROHx  |x|x|
REHx  |x|x|
BOL?  |x|x|
BELx  |?|x|
BOHx  |x|x|
BEHx  |x|x|

So the EC pattern (group) to play for, would be REL (RED, EVEN, LOW)

And REL shown as an inside bet, would be:-
[felt]
1@12
1@14
1@16
1@18
[/felt]

 Hi Chris and welcome back . . .


I like this system so far.


Did 10 quick tests on on line casino fun money.  I played one unit per number for the first 9 spins and if lost(twice) I increased to 2 units per number.


1   +31
2   +7
3   +15
4   +23
5   +30 (Progression Level 2)
6   +31
7   +10
8   +31
9   +27
10   +30 (Progression Level 2)


+235 Total


This is a much better return than the outside even money bets.
Will continue to test.   Nick

Further update.  I switched to RXExtreme as it is faster than fun money casinos.

I did 30 continuous sessions for a total of +562.  See attached graph.

Went to level 4 once.

Still looking strong.

Would need bankroll of at least 200 so far.

Nick

Performing a table test. It would seem problematic!

[table]
[tr][td]Style,Bet,Loses,Max Win,Net Gain[/td][/tr][/table]
0.01,0.04,0.04,0.36,0.32
[table][tr][td]1[/td]
[td]2]/td][/td][/tr][/table]

Just look what actually come out!

Whilst the CABLE Guy (IT Consultant) fixes the table function in the Forum, I will try and tell U about this new game of mine.

Again, before I start, hats off to Atlantis, (No, not the Undersea World Chap), the Forum member known for his prowess on the Dance floor, sorry, I meant Matrix Grid!
;D

I will also have to mention our old friend Paul (Twisteruk), who apart from being well missed here, prob by many many members, also gave me the inspiration for this take on Atlantis's new EC bet marker.

How? U'll all asking?........well, when Matrix first came out through fellow member John Logi Bear Legend, Paul spotted a new opportunity that some may remember, in that if a group of Dozens and Columns were to be bet on, he would also cover the CROSSHAIR inside numbers, as a bonus bet.

So, here's how this new game goes.
I have changed the order of the EC groups......... (8 of them in total, so not too much to track)

ROL    .........................................Red Odd Low
BEL     .........................................Black Even Low
BOL    .........................................Black Odd Low
REL     .........................................Red Even Low
ROH     ........................................Red Odd High
BEH     ........................................Black Even High
BOH     ........................................Black Odd High
REH      ........................................Red Even High

These are now in the same order, as they appear on the Table/Felt, which makes it slightly easier to Notate, as U track the EC Groups.
There is another way to Recognise the EC to Inside numbers interface:-

1,3,5,7,9             =ROL
2,4,6,8,10           =BEL
11,13,15,17        =BOL
12,14,16,18        =REL
19,21,23,25,27   =ROH
20,22,24,26,28   =BEH
29,31,33,35        =BOH
30,32,34,36        =REH

The marking/recording of the Groups as they appear on the marquee, is exactly the same as Atlantis's original Topic.

I do however, also note in the marking sheet, the additional hits (repeats) that occur in each Group.
Thus I tend to get this arrangement:-

The "X" denotes the first hit on that Group, the number(digit) is the Inside number hit on that first hit, and the Dot(s) thereafter, are the additional hits.

1,3,5,7,9             =ROL X 3
2,4,6,8,10           =BEL  X 4...
11,13,15,17        =BOL X 15
12,14,16,18        =REL
19,21,23,25,27   =ROH X 25.....
20,22,24,26,28   =BEH X 24..
29,31,33,35        =BOH X 29..
30,32,34,36        =REH X 36...

From this example, You can see that the EC Group 12,14,16,18, REL remains un-hit.

This will now form our bet.
But instead of betting the ECs in that group, I now bet on those inside numbers that belong to that Group.
For REL.... that is Four inside numbers.......... 12,14,16,18

Here's the Progression list for the Four Inside numbers.
1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,3,3,3,4,4,5,6,7     which gives twenty levels to go at, and with the small Quantity of numbers bet on, keeps the Total value of the Progression Pot, reasonably low.

The progression list for 5 Inside numbers, is slightly different:-
1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,3,3,4,45,6,7,8,9,11

In 20 session played last night, I had these results:-

Sessions won =  20
Sessions lost  =    0
Highest Progression Used = 13
Lowest Progression Used = 1
Highest number of spins before betting on missing Group(inside #) = 28
Lowest numbers of spins before betting    "       "       "        "           =   8

Session all at Bet Voyager No Zero.
For those who will ask, Zero is just counted as a level on the progression.
If your progression levels get high, I would suggest an INSURANCE bet on the Little Green Goblin!!
If Results are choppy on the Marquee, and U feel early betting would be un-wise, I suggest U track TWO sets of Results/EC Groups, to even the play out a little, and prevent your Progression levels from racing off into the Deep Blue Yonder!

Hi Chris! I´m also experimenting with this betselection. My highest progression level until now was 35 :o, forcing me to bet 36 units on each number (BV NZ also). 2 more times I had to go over the level of 20.

Because of that, I´m now testing this with Winkel´s streched fibo. But here I had a missing of numbers for 53 :o spins after the first hit (what occurs after 21 spins).

But my luck on BV isn´t very high at the moment. With the reverse slide method I also got a perfect slide of one dozen after testing in the second day.

For tracking the patterns I have attached a little excell-sheet. You have to insert the hitted numbers from row 11, column 1, then downward. In the upper part of the sheet (it should be fixed) you can see the unhitted patterns. Just continue spinning the wheel and inserting the numbers until only one pattern is missing. Now you can start betting and deleting the previous numbers, so the tracking for the next missing pattern begins from new while betting. You can also continue with noting the numbers without deleting and only after a hit, you start deleting the previous numbers beginning with the first number, than the second and so on until a unhit number occurs. So you can play contiuously without a break of tracking for a new pattern.

After row 300 you have to copy down the formula in column B (the sheet isn´t protected) when needed. I hope the sheet is working with Excell, because it was done with OpenOffice and saved in xls.

Hi Chrisbis,

Nice idea to bet at BVNoZero with low value chips.

And nice results too, Nickmsi  :)

A.

Yes, Chris . .   that is exactly the way I was playing it except for the progressions, which I will try later.

Attached is my Inside Music Template that I was using.

Cheers

Nick

Excellent Nickmsi.

Do U see the Logic in changing the Written order of the EC Groups to the one I posted?

It puts them down, as they are on the table/felt, so its much quicker to Tabulate the Results.

Now going to do a few sessions, results will follow soon.

Yes I see the logic but I find it easier to track them by the Red Group or the Black Group, it may be just what I have been doing for 50 sessions and at my age it is hard to teach an old dog new tricks, but not impossible.

Update:

50 Sessions played
50 Sessions Won
Balance +1172
Longest Progression Level = 12 (only 2 unit bet)

Nick

U need say whether that was a 4 number progression, or a 5 number progression.
Cause if U betting 2 at level 12, then for U to win money, it would need be a 4 number bet!?

Advice pls?
[reveal]Old Man!!! lol[reveal]I'm 51, U older than that?  8)[/reveal][/reveal]

Yes, sorry, it was a 4 number bet.
Nick

Hit a speed bump:

60 Sessions played.
59 Sessions Won
1 Session Lost (Went to level 20 on 4 number bet, lost $204)
Balance:  +1153 so only lost a total of 19 on last 10 Sessions.

I continue spinning after the 20th level and it took another 19 spins (39 total) to hit a winner.

Nick

U mean

QuoteI only lost a total of 19 units, within the LAST 10 sessions>

?

I was up $1,172 after 50 sessions.

I played 9 more sessions and was up to $1,357. 

Then on last session, lost $204 dropping total to $1,153, hence the $19.

My "Notes" on Results for latest session.  (Whistle along Now!)

6 Sessions played

Winning Sessions = 6     (If I had stuck to rigid rules, I too would have lost one!)
Losing Sessions   = 0      (so this would be now = 1)
Casino                 =  Bet Voyager No Zero
Highest Level of Progression = 21 (4 bet sequence)
Lowest Level of Progression  =   1 (5 bet sequence)
Highest Spins to Betting         =   19
Lowest Spins to Betting         =     8

My "2ND Notes" on Results for latest session.  (Whistle, twice Now!)

5 Sessions played

Winning Sessions = 5
Losing Sessions   = 0
Casino                 =  Bet Voyager No Zero
Highest Level of Progression = 13 (4 bet sequence)
Lowest Level of Progression  =   1 (4 bet sequence)
Highest Spins to Betting         =   21
Lowest Spins to Betting         =     8

My "3RD Notes" on Results for latest session.  (Whistle, as U work!!)

9 Sessions played

Winning Sessions = 9
Losing Sessions   = 0
Casino                 =  Bet Voyager No Zero
Highest Level of Progression = 15 (4 number/bet sequence)
Lowest Level of Progression  =   1 (4 number/bet sequence)
Highest Spins to Betting         =   29
Lowest Spins to Betting         =   13

Was doing well enough to make a 40 Euro withdrawal tonight!!
Nice to be winning again.  ;D

Nice going  . . . .

Johnny one note here . . . hit another speed bump but the bankroll is still growing and that's what important.

Sessions Played: 80
Sessions Won:    78
Sessions Lost:      2
Bankroll:         1,385

I stop at the 20 progression level and accept the 204 loss.
Both my losses were on 4 numbers.

Looks very interesting ChrisBis...................

Miss TwisterUk to................

Quote from: Nickmsi on Aug 25, 07:19 PM 2011
Nice going  . . . .

Johnny.................
I stop at the 20 progression level and accept the 204 loss.
Both my losses were on 4 numbers.

I wouldn't!! lol

I design it to go just that little bit further.
U should now try with Real Money and see what happens!

I now have 22 levels for both sequences.... (4 number bet, and 5 number bet)

My "4TH Notes" on Results for latest session- Friday.  (Weekend is here!!)

9 Sessions played

Winning Sessions                   = 9
Losing Sessions                     = 0
Casino                                    =  Bet Voyager No Zero
Highest Level of Progression  =  15 (4 number/bet sequence)
Lowest Level of Progression  =    1 (5 number/bet sequence)
Highest Spins to Betting        =   25
Lowest Spins to Betting         =  13

Sessions:-
[csv=,]
EC Group/Actual Bet,Bet on,Bet on,Bet on,Bet on,Bet on,Bet on,Bet on,Bet on,Bet on
-,BOL,REL,REL,BEH,BOL,BEH,BOH,ROL,ROH
ROL 1-3-5-7-9,X5,X1,X5,X9,X7,X1,X3,,X1
BEL 2-4-6-8-10,X10,X2,X8,X10,X8,X4,X6,X2,X10
BOL 11-13-15-17,,X11,X11,X17,,X11,X17,X15,X15
REL 12-14-16-18,X14,,,X14,X14,X14,X12,X14,X14
ROH 19-21-23-25-27,X19,X23,X19,X19,X19,X19,X21,,
BEH 20-22-24-26-28,X22,X22,X28,,X22,,X22,X22,X28
BOH 29-31-33-35,X33,X29,X31,X35,X35,X35,,X35,X35
REH 30-32-34-36,X32,X36,X36,X32,X34,X36,X36,X34,X34
[/csv]

Quote from: Chrisbis on Aug 25, 03:53 AM 2011
If Results are choppy on the Marquee, and U feel early betting would be un-wise, I suggest U track TWO sets of Results/EC Groups, to even the play out a little, and prevent your Progression levels from racing off into the Deep Blue Yonder!

Can you explain what you meant by this? Choppy results, early betting, tracking two sets of results/ec groups...?
Thanks

Hi Chrisbis,

Good results! Gonna try it soon...
A.

@marivo

This is Two Sets.(See Below, table copied from my Last set of results)

So U would not bet on the first one, (which was BOL), and track for the Next series/set, before I started betting.
It will even out results for U.
Think of it, as someone else asked me, as Betting Virtual!
[csv=,]
EC Group/Actual Bet,Bet on,Bet on,Bet on,Bet on,Bet on,Bet on,Bet on,Bet on,Bet on
-,BOL,REL
ROL 1-3-5-7-9,X5,X1
BEL 2-4-6-8-10,X10,X2
BOL 11-13-15-17,,X11
REL 12-14-16-18,X14,
ROH 19-21-23-25-27,X19,X23
BEH 20-22-24-26-28,X22,X22
BOH 29-31-33-35,X33,X29
REH 30-32-34-36,X32,X36
[/csv]

 Hi Chris
Final Roulette Extreme results:


110 Sessions Played
106 Sessions Won
4 Sessions Lost (last progression was level 20 and then stopped, had one session that went 39 spins without hitting any of the 4 numbers played)
Ending Balance:  $1,568  (playing $1.00 units) Starting Balance=0


I'm sure we will hit losing streaks but I have been able to recover so far without increasing the progressions.  Only time will tell and maybe there is a better progression, GLC, any ideas?


What's to like:
The average amount won per session: $14.25
Usually get a bet within 30 spins
Progressions reasonable especially considering the return:  the 20^th level on a 4 string guitar (4 numbers bet) totals $204.  That's $204 bet for a return of $14.25 which is about 14 to 1.  This is way better than Martingale or other progressions where you would bet $256, $512 etc just to get a $1.00 win.


It's time to trade in the guitar pick for chips and play for real.


Cheers . . . Nick

I kind of like the idea...but.... Since you are betting individual numbers in the end, why not use 8 sectors, but based on the wheel layout instead of the R/B O/E H/L ? Something like this for example:
(5 sectos of 5, 3 sectors of 4, with the advantage of including 0)



0    32    15    19    4
21    2    25    17
34    6    27    13    36
11    30    8    23
10    5    24    16    33
1    20    14    31    9
22    18    29    7
28    12    35    3    26


I also think that, if there is an advantage to this, is only plaed in a real roulette, not rng...  Try to use this in the same set of spins, and compare the results to see what is better. And let us know the results please.

Cheers

Good idea vlad . . .

Will give it a go and see if any difference.

Nick

I'm all in for new ideas.
What does this actual mean?

QuoteI kind of like the idea...but.... Since you are betting individual numbers in the end, why not use 8 sectors, but based on the wheel layout instead of the R/B O/E H/L ? Something like this for example:
(5 sectos of 5, 3 sectors of 4, with the advantage of including 0)

I have Bis Cending 4 bot........and that does not work all the time.
(It plays sectors)

Its Nemesis, is a repeat of the first two, or three numbers in the sector.
Ur dead as a duck!

Quote from: Chrisbis on Aug 26, 07:06 PM 2011
I'm all in for new ideas.
What does this actual mean?

It means that instead of considering this sectors (in wich the numbers are spread randomly on the wheel, they only correlate on the TABLE, not on the WHEEL):

ROL 1-3-5-7-9
BEL 2-4-6-8-10
BOL 11-13-15-17
REL 12-14-16-18
ROH 19-21-23-25-27
BEH 20-22-24-26-28
BOH 29-31-33-35
REH 30-32-34-36

Instead of using this sectors, you simply forget about them, forget abou R/B O/E H/L. You instead should consider the actual WHEEL (NOT THE TABLE) and divide the REAL WHEEL in 8 sectors of 4/5 numbers each and then play in the exact same way.

I'm sorry, english is not my main lanuage, I hope I have explained it better this time.

your English was/is fine.

And, I now fully understand what U mean........ track and then play the Missing (Sleeping) sector.

Hmmm interesting idea.  8)

Edit....

It could be useful, to track both sets of Options, and then, if the Attack window is still open, play for a result in one, and then use the same opportunity, to play for the other bet.

Only choice now, is how to split up the Wheel into those sectors.
Start at Zero maybe? Or, wrap 'over and through' zero for a sector?

Any thoughts anyone?  ???

QuoteAny thoughts anyone?

RNG has no sectors

QuoteStart at Zero maybe?

Don't you play at BV anymore?

Atlantis initial method is probably safer than this method as it covers for example

ROH = 18 red numbers, 18 odd numbers and 18 high numbers

So the odds appear much better than 4 or 5 numbers, my opinions only of course

Yes, still At BV NZ.

Cheers for Ur thoughts. It was just an idea to explore.

Just ran a quick test on your mprhed version of Atlantis' original, started well but, see reveal

[reveal]16 L  Prog 1 Cash -5 Peak 0
17 L  Prog 2 Cash -15 Peak 0
18 L  Prog 2 Cash -25 Peak 0
19 L  Prog 2 Cash -35 Peak 0
20 W  Prog 3 Cash 58 Peak 0
31 L  Prog 1 Cash 53 Peak 58
32 L  Prog 2 Cash 43 Peak 58
33 L  Prog 2 Cash 33 Peak 58
34 L  Prog 2 Cash 23 Peak 58
35 W  Prog 3 Cash 116 Peak 58
40 L  Prog 1 Cash 111 Peak 116
41 L  Prog 2 Cash 101 Peak 116
42 L  Prog 2 Cash 91 Peak 116
43 L  Prog 2 Cash 81 Peak 116
44 L  Prog 3 Cash 66 Peak 116
45 L  Prog 3 Cash 51 Peak 116
46 L  Prog 4 Cash 31 Peak 116
47 W  Prog 4 Cash 155 Peak 116
58 L  Prog 1 Cash 150 Peak 155
59 L  Prog 2 Cash 140 Peak 155
60 L  Prog 2 Cash 130 Peak 155
61 L  Prog 2 Cash 120 Peak 155
62 L  Prog 3 Cash 105 Peak 155
63 W  Prog 3 Cash 198 Peak 155
71 L  Prog 1 Cash 194 Peak 198
72 L  Prog 2 Cash 186 Peak 198
73 L  Prog 2 Cash 178 Peak 198
74 L  Prog 2 Cash 170 Peak 198
75 L  Prog 2 Cash 162 Peak 198
76 L  Prog 3 Cash 150 Peak 198
77 L  Prog 3 Cash 138 Peak 198
78 L  Prog 3 Cash 126 Peak 198
79 W  Prog 4 Cash 254 Peak 198
82 L  Prog 1 Cash 249 Peak 254
83 L  Prog 2 Cash 239 Peak 254
84 L  Prog 2 Cash 229 Peak 254
85 L  Prog 2 Cash 219 Peak 254
86 L  Prog 3 Cash 204 Peak 254
87 L  Prog 3 Cash 189 Peak 254
88 L  Prog 4 Cash 169 Peak 254
89 L  Prog 4 Cash 149 Peak 254
90 L  Prog 5 Cash 124 Peak 254
91 L  Prog 6 Cash 94 Peak 254
92 L  Prog 7 Cash 59 Peak 254
93 L  Prog 8 Cash 19 Peak 254
94 L  Prog 9 Cash -26 Peak 254
95 L  Prog 11 Cash -81 Peak 254
96 L  Prog 12 Cash -141 Peak 254
97 L  Prog 14 Cash -211 Peak 254
98 L  Prog 16 Cash -291 Peak 254
99 L  Prog 19 Cash -386 Peak 254
100 L  Prog 22 Cash -496 Peak 254
101 L  Prog 26 Cash -626 Peak 254
102 L  Prog 30 Cash -776 Peak 254
103 L  Prog 35 Cash -951 Peak 254
104 L  Prog 40 Cash -1151 Peak 254
105 L  Prog 47 Cash -1386 Peak 254
106 L  Prog 54 Cash -1656 Peak 254
107 L  Prog 63 Cash -1971 Peak 254
108 L  Prog 73 Cash -2336 Peak 254
109 L  Prog 85 Cash -2761 Peak 254
110 L  Prog 99 Cash -3256 Peak 254
111 W  Prog 115 Cash 309 Peak 254[/reveal]

29 misses in a row  :o

One thing I would say, is that the missing EC game, translated (or Morphed!! LoL) into the Missing EC=Inside number game that I am currently playing, does on many occasions, mean You are only ever betting 4 (or 5) inside numbers.
So, progression is extremely mild.
If I were a coder, I'd be building an auto bot, that makes coffee in the morning, Toast for breakfast, and.......crucially (not that Coffee and Toast are not crucial also), but bets on the OUTCOME, of tracking ONLY for that missing EC, that = 4 inside numbers.

Therefore, ignoring the 5 number inside bet, and only tracking for the 4 number inside bet.
The progression list is so much smoother, and longer lasting, to ride through the sleeping 'mice'.

Here's the Four number inside progression chart to 31 levels. (playing with Pennies)

[csv=,]
Style of bet on 4 #,$Bet,$Loses,$Winnings,Net Gain
0.01 on 4,0.04,0.04,0.36,0.32
0.01 on 4,0.04,0.08,0.36,0.28
0.01 on 4,0.04,0.12,0.36,0.24
0.01 on 4,0.04,0.16,0.36,0.20
0.01 on 4,0.04,0.20,0.36,0.16
0.01 on 4,0.04,0.24,0.36,0.12
0.01 on 4,0.04,0.28,0.36,0.08
0.01 on 4,0.04,0.32,0.36,0.04
Notes*1,-,-,-,-
0.02 on 4,0.08,0.40,0.72,0.32
0.02 on 4,0.08,0.48,0.72,0.24
0.02 on 4,0.08,0.56,0.72,0.16
0.02 on 4,0.08,0.64,0.72,0.08
Notes*2,-,-,-,-
0.03 on 4,0.12,0.76,1.08,0.32
0.03 on 4,0.12,0.88,1.08,0.20
0.03 on 4,0.12,1.00,1.08,0.08
Notes*3,-,-,-,-
0.04 on 4,0.16,1.16,1.44,0.28
0.04 on 4,0.16,1.32,1.44,0.12
Notes*4,-,-,-,-
0.05 on 4,0.20,1.52,1.80,0.28
0.05 on 4,0.20,1.72,1.80,0.08
-,-,-,-,-
0.06 on 4,0.24,1.96,2.16,0.20
-,-,-,-,-
0.07 on 4,0.28,2.24,2.52,0.28
0.07 on 4,0.28,2.52,2.52,0.00
0.08 on 4,0.32,2.84,2.88,0.04
0.10 on 4,0.40,3.24,3.60,0.36
0.11 on 4,0.44,3.68,3.96,0.28
0.12 on 4,0.48,4.16,4.32,0.16
0.13 on 4,0.52,4.68,4.68,0.00
0.15 on 4,0.60,5.28,5.40,0.12
0.17 on 4,0.68,5.96,6.12,0.16
0.19 on 4,0.76,6.72,6.84,0.12
0.22 on 4,0.88,7.60,7.92,0.32
[/csv]

Notes
*1 an additional bet here of 0.01 on 4, would return 0.00...........potential reset point!

*2 an additional bet here of 0.02 on 4, would return 0.00...........potential reset point!

*3 an additional bet here of 0.03 on 4, would return -0.04...........potential reset point/small loss!

*4 an additional bet here of 0.04 on 4, would return -0.04...........potential reset point/small loss!

There are other variants of this Progression list available.

But just look....................31 levels are possible, for less than a Tenner!

I hit 29 misses in about 100 spins, 31 will be hit more often than you would like, there goes yer tenner

How many levels would U need?

I guess there will never be enough levels!

I do wonder, how many levels I could get, before I hit the Buffers at the table limits at BV NZ!?

I may work that out!!

BV NZ table limit is 10.00 per inside number, which would equate to losing 40.00 on this game, but....
...................How many levels eh!????  ???

Here's the Four number inside progression chart to 42 levels. (playing with Pennies)

[csv=,]
Style of bet on 4 #,$Bet,$Loses,$Winnings,Net Gain
0.01 on 4,0.04,0.04,0.36,0.32
0.01 on 4,0.04,0.08,0.36,0.28
0.01 on 4,0.04,0.12,0.36,0.24
0.01 on 4,0.04,0.16,0.36,0.20
0.01 on 4,0.04,0.20,0.36,0.16
0.01 on 4,0.04,0.24,0.36,0.12
0.01 on 4,0.04,0.28,0.36,0.08
0.01 on 4,0.04,0.32,0.36,0.04
Notes*1,-,-,-,-
0.02 on 4,0.08,0.40,0.72,0.32
0.02 on 4,0.08,0.48,0.72,0.24
0.02 on 4,0.08,0.56,0.72,0.16
0.02 on 4,0.08,0.64,0.72,0.08
Notes*2,-,-,-,-
0.03 on 4,0.12,0.76,1.08,0.32
0.03 on 4,0.12,0.88,1.08,0.20
0.03 on 4,0.12,1.00,1.08,0.08
Notes*3,-,-,-,-
0.04 on 4,0.16,1.16,1.44,0.28
0.04 on 4,0.16,1.32,1.44,0.12
Notes*4,-,-,-,-
0.05 on 4,0.20,1.52,1.80,0.28
0.05 on 4,0.20,1.72,1.80,0.08
-,-,-,-,-
0.06 on 4,0.24,1.96,2.16,0.20
-,-,-,-,-
0.07 on 4,0.28,2.24,2.52,0.28
0.07 on 4,0.28,2.52,2.52,0.00
0.08 on 4,0.32,2.84,2.88,0.04
0.10 on 4,0.40,3.24,3.60,0.36
0.11 on 4,0.44,3.68,3.96,0.28
0.12 on 4,0.48,4.16,4.32,0.16
0.13 on 4,0.52,4.68,4.68,0.00
0.15 on 4,0.60,5.28,5.40,0.12
0.17 on 4,0.68,5.96,6.12,0.16
0.19 on 4,0.76,6.72,6.84,0.12
0.22 on 4,0.88,7.60,7.92,0.32
-,-,-,-,-
0.24 on 4,0.96,8.56,8.64,0.08
0.27 on 4,1.08,9.64,9.72,0.06
0.29 on 4,1.16,10.08,10.44,0.36
0.32 on 4,1.28,11.36,11.52,0.16
0.36 on 4,1.44,12.80,12.96,0.16
0.40 on 4,1.60,14.40,14.40,0.00
0.45 on 4,1.80,16.20,16.20,0.00
0.52 on 4,2.16,18.36,18.72,0.36
0.58 on 4,2.40,20.76,21.60,0.84
0.66 on4,2.64,23.40,23.76,0.36
[/csv]

Notes
*1 an additional bet here of 0.01 on 4, would return 0.00...........potential reset point!

*2 an additional bet here of 0.02 on 4, would return 0.00...........potential reset point!

*3 an additional bet here of 0.03 on 4, would return -0.04...........potential reset point/small loss!

*4 an additional bet here of 0.04 on 4, would return -0.04...........potential reset point/small loss!

Quote from: Nickmsi on Aug 26, 02:24 PM 2011

I'm sure we will hit losing streaks but I have been able to recover so far without increasing the progressions.  Only time will tell and maybe there is a better progression, GLC, any ideas?

Here's my humble input.  What you are doing is using a modified martingale for 4 or 5 numbers.  The one suggestion that I have is if you don't like to betting in the stratosphere then you will have to calculate a bet progression that is based on recovering all losses based on 2 wins instead of 1 win.  Even safer is 3 wins, etc....


But, no matter how many wins you use to calculate recovery, there's always a sequence of spins looming on the horizon that will take you to the limit. 


I have found that you're just as well off playing the marty and take your lumps when they come.  Every bet progression has lumps. 


At the end of the day: wins - losses = profits. 


I've never seen a system that gives us this formula: wins = profits. 


It doesn't exist!  (Or at least we haven't found it yet)


Hope that cheers you up,


GLC

Latest "Groovy Baby" results:-
(this was a tough few games!!)

7 sessions

Won sessions = 7
Lost sessions = 0

Casino = Bet Voyager No Zero

Highest progression used = 20 (4 number bet)
Lowest Progression used =   6 (4 number bet)

Highest Number of Tracking Spins to bet = 22 (4 number bet)
Lowest Number of tracking Spins to bet  = 11 (4 number bet

Bet Sequence:
BOH (Virtual), BOH, BOH, REH, REL, BOH, BOH, BOH

Tracking Spins:
22,17,14,13,11,12,20

Progression Sequence:
20,13,5,6,11,19,16    (all 4 number bets!)

Quite tough set of sessions.
There was one further session/game, at the beginning, which I was having initial choppy results, so I decided to "Play Through" that game, even though, it actually would have won on the 1st level of the progression, should I have bet. It too was a BOH bet!!

BOH was extremely dominant in these games, and although probably not the toughest I am ever going to see, was definitely........ difficult sessions!

Here are the spin numbers.
would be interesting for Other system players like myself, to use these spin numbers *(Yes, they are all RNG from Bet Voyager. No Zero, with the Random Control all set to "0")

Latest number first:-
[reveal] (Highlighted numbers were the winning Numbers)
33
11
15
10
2
17
34
15
11
14
26
10
34
2
18
20
31
12
18
28
32
11
25
24
22
11
19
21
16
14
7
32
27
8
12
31
7
6
20
12
10
15
28
25
28
36
15
28
18
32
15
11
18
32
15
25
3
10
4
3
11
24
32
20
19
28
30
35
33
31
25
13
27
21
33
16
14
17
1
24
18
6
14
4
13
12
27
8
35
17
4
26
14
8
34
26
34
36
5
13
21
13
9
10
22
25
16
7
15
27
30
17
25
23
21
8
10
23
30
22
2
1
1
1
24
7
11
33 the early 'Virtual' win (no bet)
11
15
16
2
32
28
1
1
27
10
17
16 first number on the Marquee.
[/reveal]

Quote from: Chrisbis on Aug 26, 01:00 PM 2011
@marivo

Thanks for answer but I am afraid I dont understand what should I look here... ???

@marivo

Okay, I will try and guide U through, step by step.

Here are the EC Groups (8 of them), that exist in the game of Roulette:-



ROL 1-3-5-7-9      
BEL 2-4-6-8-10      
BOL 11-13-15-17      
REL 12-14-16-18      
ROH 19-21-23-25-27      
BEH 20-22-24-26-28      
BOH 29-31-33-35      
REH 30-32-34-36

The numbers to the side of the Groups, are the inside numbers that correspond to those Imaginary Sections.

For instance

ROL, (Red Odd Low), has these numbers in its Group. 1,3,5,7,9
5 numbers in that Group.
Lets say we call that a 5 set bet.

The other 7 groups are notated the same way. Group, then the inside numbers in that group

So, lets do some imaginary tracking.
Here's a few numbers from that list I posted up in today's results:-
first number out in the Marquee is 16:-
16
17
10
27
1
1
28

Then we mark those numbers into the group stage (Sounds like football already!!)

First number 16

ROL 1-3-5-7-9      
BEL 2-4-6-8-10      
BOL 11-13-15-17      
REL 12-14-16-18        ..........*16   
ROH 19-21-23-25-27      
BEH 20-22-24-26-28      
BOH 29-31-33-35      
REH 30-32-34-36

then the second number out of the Marquee 17:-

ROL 1-3-5-7-9      
BEL 2-4-6-8-10      
BOL 11-13-15-17         ..........*17
REL 12-14-16-18        ..........*16
ROH 19-21-23-25-27      
BEH 20-22-24-26-28      
BOH 29-31-33-35      
REH 30-32-34-36

Third number out 10:-

ROL 1-3-5-7-9      
BEL 2-4-6-8-10           ..........*10
BOL 11-13-15-17        ..........*17
REL 12-14-16-18         ..........*16
ROH 19-21-23-25-27      
BEH 20-22-24-26-28      
BOH 29-31-33-35      
REH 30-32-34-36

and the fourth number 27 :-

ROL 1-3-5-7-9      
BEL 2-4-6-8-10           ..........*10
BOL 11-13-15-17      ..........*17
REL 12-14-16-18         ..........*16
ROH 19-21-23-25-27      ..........*27
BEH 20-22-24-26-28      
BOH 29-31-33-35      
REH 30-32-34-36

...and the fifth number 1 :-

ROL 1-3-5-7-9         ..........*1   
BEL 2-4-6-8-10            ..........*10
BOL 11-13-15-17      ..........*17
REL 12-14-16-18          ..........*16
ROH 19-21-23-25-27      ..........*27
BEH 20-22-24-26-28      
BOH 29-31-33-35      
REH 30-32-34-36

the sixth number is a repeat, so I just note that another number is attached to the section- thus:-

ROL 1-3-5-7-9         ..........*1*
BEL 2-4-6-8-10           ..........*10
BOL 11-13-15-17      ..........*17
REL 12-14-16-18         ..........*16
ROH 19-21-23-25-27      ..........*27
BEH 20-22-24-26-28      
BOH 29-31-33-35      
REH 30-32-34-36

and now the seventh number out on the Marquee 28 :-

ROL 1-3-5-7-9         ..........*1*   
BEL 2-4-6-8-10           ..........*10
BOL 11-13-15-17      ..........*17
REL 12-14-16-18         ..........*16
ROH 19-21-23-25-27      ..........*27
BEH 20-22-24-26-28   ..........*28   
BOH 29-31-33-35      
REH 30-32-34-36

and the eight number out 32 :-

ROL 1-3-5-7-9         ..........*1*   
BEL 2-4-6-8-10           ..........*10
BOL 11-13-15-17      ..........*17
REL 12-14-16-18         ..........*16
ROH 19-21-23-25-27      ..........*27
BEH 20-22-24-26-28   ..........*28   
BOH 29-31-33-35      
REH 30-32-34-36          ..........*32

now I hope You can see, that from that Notation, nearly all the Group section are marked up, except for BOH 29-31-33-35

but during that notation, we only used 8 spins to attain almost Full Group staging, and I think that's too quick, or as I put it, "Choppy" results, since the game was ready betting far too early in my opinion.

The bet would be BOH Black Odd High, and, our actual  bet would now usually be 1 unit (of what ever unit size U wish to use) on each of the numbers 29.....31.....33......35
4 inside numbers in total.
Then U would carry on the notating, on the group stage.

Whereas, what I actually did, was continue notating, till I have filled two games worth of group stage section...like this

ROL 1-3-5-7-9            ..........*1*..........*7***   
BEL 2-4-6-8-10           ..........*10*..........*2*
BOL 11-13-15-17        ..........*17**..........*11
REL 12-14-16-18         ..........*16..........*16
ROH 19-21-23-25-27   ..........*27..........*21*
BEH 20-22-24-26-28   ..........*28..........*24*
BOH 29-31-33-35         ..........*33
REH 30-32-34-36        ..........*32...........*30

This now covers the first 25 numbers out on the Marquee.

And as You can see, BOH is STILL the missing Section from the Group stage.
So I then go on to bet those inside numbers..........(and its a 4 set bet.)

Quote from: Chrisbis on Aug 27, 02:01 PM 2011
@marivo

Thank you Mr. Chrisbis. Its very clear now. So we are trying to find out what would be the proper amount of spins before the trigger. What about at least 12 or maybe 16?

Just to let you know, I use 27 spins for groups of 6. This way my progressions for 6 numbers work, in theory, 99% of the time. I can' tell you how I got to the number 27 (or how to prove you the 99% theory), I took it from a study I read long ago,  I don't remember where...

In your case...for groups of 4 or 5 numbers,  I would say you should aim for at least 30 spins or more as the trigger...

Stats from BV NZ
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Now banging some bets with 0.10cents  (that's 10 pence in English coin!!)

And just for the Boys!!
[reveal]Now banging some bets with 0.10cents  (that's 10 pence in English coin!!)[/reveal]

;)

Quote from: vladir on Aug 27, 04:35 PM 2011
Just to let you know, I use 27 spins for groups of 6. This way my progressions for 6 numbers work, in theory, 99% of the time. I can' tell you how I got to the number 27 (or how to prove you the 99% theory), I took it from a study I read long ago,  I don't remember where...

In your case...for groups of 4 or 5 numbers,  I would say you should aim for at least 30 spins or more as the trigger...

Thank you. So now I need proper tracker to track those "30 spins before trigger" seassons!

Hey chris you got a new toy heh?I am really tempted to code it,if you have a final opinion about how many spins must be the trigger and how long you want the progression just shoot.Well you said it should be used hit n' run but you never know.

I'd love to see this coded for BV NZ if U can.

I now wonder if the 'Technique' works anyway else?

But @ Bv NZ is good enough for now!  ;)

Latest News.
It will come to an end soon, but the question remaining, is........

will it win more than it loses?

Ok i code it and did some tests.I used as bet trigger 30 spins for the 7 groups to appear but in 15000 spins i had about 10!!! betting chances with max reached step of progression 30th so we must find a more "logical" trigger.

Only 10 situations in 15000 ? How exactly did you consider the trigger? 30 spins since when of what?

What I suggested is that you should simply consider that the 4/5 numbers that you are going to bet have not hit in the last 30 spins. I think that you can get this situation more often then 10 in 15000... but it's just my guess...

(uhmm now that I think about it,  I didn't considered that you are already filtering by R/O E/B H/L... )

I start from the scratch and spin till 7 of 8 groups get hitted.Whenever the number of spins for this event to occur was 30 or more then that was a trigger.

And the answer to my Earlier question is......................
[reveal]Yes, it will WIN more sessions than it loses![/reveal]

New game results coming up guys.

I'm back from the dead...........
[reveal]Well the Isle Of White anyhow!! lol[/reveal]

Just back from my National Lampoon Vacation from HELL!!

Maybe I'll tell U all in my Memoirs!

Anyhow, as they say is the game show host school of "How to train an Id1ot"... its all to play for!!

Straight back at it, the moment I landed, (Well drove for 7 hours!!)
7games
Here's a new presentation style, instead of the previous style!
I'm just going to give U the Tracking Sheet (Notepad), that I use to play the game.
Screen Shot 1 then.
[attachimg=1]

Here, and this will serve notice to U guys who have been tracking all wrong!...... I am just noting the first TWO numbers in each Group, and they land.
Thereafter, I just put an additional 'dot' for each number that lands in that same group again.!
Now then, tracking.
Then is NO FIXED NUMBER to track for, to play this game.
U COULD track just 7 numbers, and be ready to start betting.
U COULD track for maybe 20-30 numbers before being in a position to start betting.
The tracking rule is......

TRACK ALL THE GROUPS, till there is ONE GROUP UN_HIT!
that's it!

When ONE group is UN-HIT, then U can start betting on that UN-HIT Group, using the progression already stated.
IF, u play at 0.01 unit value table (like BV NZ), then U should be able to get upto 42 levels of progression out of 10.00 max unit Value per inside number.

@42 levels, there is no need for Hit & Run.

Just continuous play.

Here's the Legend Break down of those results above.

7 games played.
1st game wins on #26 after (2) levels of progression
2nd  "         "     "  #33    "    (5)    "       "          "
3rd   "         "    "   #28   "     (5)   "        "          "
4th   "         "    "   #15   "     (12)  "       "          "
5th   "         "    "   #30   "     (19)  "       "          "
6th   "         "    "   #2     "     (1) level    "          "
7th   "         "    "   #29   "     (11)levels "          "

Cheers everyone.....................nice to back at Home again!  ;D

Next Results.
9 Games played.
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Summary:-
1st ..... Win on #18 after (17) levels
2nd..... Win on #31 after (7) levels
3rd..... Win on #25 after (4) levels
4th .... Win on # 2  after (10) levels
5th .....Win on #29 after (1) level
6th .....Win on #32 after (2) levels
7th .....Win on #19 after (6) levels
8th .....Win on #10 after (8) levels
9th .....Win on #34 after (3) levels

More Results (3rd set)
6 Games played.

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1...#30 after (7) levels
2...#17 after (3) levels
3...#35 after (10) levels
4...#28 after (3) levels
5...#21 after (12) levels
6...#  5 after (3) levels

More results- Plenty of levels attained!
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....and even some more for U. Mixed bag
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Still winning, even after hitting 31 levels of Progression!

Some ar*e clenching had here I'll tell U!
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Something slightly more pleasing to the eye! Winning Results!
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(Just to give u the explanation of the results table U see:-)
The whole numbers are the Spin Results Inside numbers marked against their corresponding EC Group.
The brackets numbers are the Level (Progression) number attained to get a winning spin. The Winning spin number is then shown on the Right in the Next column of Tracked Spins, ready to get the next Betting Opportunity.
The dots after each whole number represent additional Spin hits in that Group.
So that:-
BOL-15.    17... Means ..... Group BOL (Black Odd Low) had number 15 plus one other land in the tracking round, and inside number 17 has had 3 other landings in that Group also in the next round of tracking.

REL-(7)     14      (20)  means Group REL (Red Even Low) had No hits in the first round of tracking, and was the bet Group (inside numbers 12 14 16 18), and the winning number was #14 and it was at level 7 of the Progression. and likewise in the next tracking, REL was the Un-hit Group, and it took to level 20 of the progression to get a winner.

Those last few games were Awesome!!

Went 34 levels on one of the games, and staying it all the way, I still won.

Makes for "Interesting reading".........
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Some more scary results.......
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Still winning tho!! lol  ;D

More winners. Going quite well now. even on the 5 number Groups, which are harder to progress.
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There are 10 games included in this Notation.

Well Chris i coded it as i told you and i am afraid the gain doesn't worth the long progression "possible heart attack".I attached a file with the results after 500000 spins and how long took to have a hit of the missing pattern.Well i have some good news too.If you play for example 10 games per session each game lasts about 25 spins from start of tracking till hit so you must play about 250 spins per session and when i tested it with "parts" of 250 spins it wins much more than it losses.

@ xxlakis

Hi mate.

What exactly did U code?
Give me (and the other readers here), the rules/explanation if u would be so kind!.

Cheers.

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Edit.............
93 is the longest without a hit eh! Wow, that's deep!!
(as the actress said to the bishop!)

More winning results.
Low progression levels on these games. Highest level was 8.
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Well here is the logic of the code:


-Spin till one patterns is unhit
-Start betting it with the progression Chrisbis posted 4 or 5 numbers group
-Stop when we have a hit (in or out of progression) and retrack


Hope i helped

@xxlakis

U did Stelios. thx.  :thumbsup:
RX results or elsewhere?

More results. A juicy progression contained in this set of games.
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Top Of The Morning There's To U All this fine Sunday Morn!
Few early morning Winners for Ye.
Cheers
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Sunday after Results, better reading than the Times!! LoL  :wink:
5 Games.... Highest Progression Used= level 10
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More Sunday Afternoon Results. 5 games
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Chris.....Bis
If i may ask which progression are you using? That other 50 step one in the other thread or the 42 step one?
Glad to see its going well? How much units have you made?

Using the 52 steps progression, my friend.

And since yesterday morning, I have made 5500 units with this game.
[reveal]1 unit = 0.01 Euro cents[/reveal]
The progressions are very similar, just the latest (52) is longer, ready for a possible bot.

(If only I could code.....................I knew I should have concentrated better at School
I only went for the Milk!! LoL)

Well i think i'll let it ride tonight on BV fun mode just to see how it goes.I really don't trust it  :-\  but what the hell maybe if i see something i like i can be tempted ::)

Tempting It may be.
Winning for me, it IS!
More FABULOUS results from the UK!! Highest Prog= level 13
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The Fight continues against the Machine!!
I will conquer her/him/it.....
More results from BV NZ and the EC v Inside numbers game.
Time for coffee now...... but I won't call it a coffee break...........for obvious reasons!! LoL

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Well there was just time to get 9 more winning games in before the servers go down for cooling
with a wet fish at Bet Voyager. Maintenance they call it!! huh!
But I know what really goes on in these establishments!!

Anyway, for those who are interested, there's a lesson to be learnt from my latest results.

And that lesson is......................CONCENTRATION!

I was tracking the third game, and missed my bet point, so then, keeping to the same betting EC Group, I had to endure 21 levels of progression, whereas I would have won at Level 1, if i had been concentrating better.
More coffee I think eh chaps!
Still, if the BV servers go down, I will have time to fully wake up, and enjoy plenty of coffee.
Going to have day off work today, and try and ascertain the "Earn Rate" of this game at BV NZ.

I'm guessing 5-8 Euro's per hour dependent on Progressions and how quick tracking is upto the Betting Point.
Here's the last set of results, including my 'c***-up' on the tracking!
Its the 'dot' before the Betting Point Open brackets that shows where I "Over Cooked" the tracking!
Still won tho.
Enjoy.  :wink:

New Day, New Dawn.
12 games in 31 minutes.
Profit= 245 units
Highest Progression Used= level 20
Lowest         "              "   = level 1

Text file only of 12 games in 31 minutes.

Another set of results.
I hope someone is keeping a count!
These were "Smashing" results!! lol

The speed test analysis on the 12 games in 31 minutes,
produces an "Earn Rate" of approx Euro 4.75/hour.
All depends of course, on Tracking Time, and how long it takes to get to the Betting Point.

There-after, if u get Low level of Progression 'absorption', then Ur "Earn Rate" will substantially increase.

Need a tracker making.
Any Takers?   ???

Keep winning Chris ! Wish you luck budy.
when you are ready go to next  * level*
see my progression for 4 numbers.

And for 5 numbers:

1.    0,20 x 5       -1          +6,2
2.    0,20 x 5       -2          +5,2
3.    0,30 x 5       -3,5       +7,3
4.    0,40 x 5       -5,5       +8,9
5.    0,40 x 5       -7,5       +6,9
6.    0,50 x 5       -10        +8
7.    0,50 x 5       -12,5     +5,5
8.    0,60 x 5       -15,5     +6,1
9.    0,70 x 5       -19        +6,2
10.  0,80 x 5       -23        +5,8
11.     1   x 5       -28        +8
12.  1,10 x 5       -33,5     +6,1
13.  1,30 x 5       -40        +6,8
14.  1,50 x 5       -47,5     +6,5
15.  1,70 x 5       -56        +5,2
16.      2  x 5       -66        +6
17.  2,40 x 5       -78        +8,4
18.  2,80 x 5       -92        +8,8
19.  3,20 x 5       -108      +7,2
20.  3,70 x 5       -126,5   +6,7
21.  4,30 x 5       -148      +6,8
22.     5   x 5       -173      +7
23.     6   x 5       -203      +13
24.     7   x 5       -238      +14
25.     8   x 5       -278      +10

Thanks Kat.

Do u have one for 4 inside numbers @0.02?
Someone else just asked me.

Results just before the server crashed.

Nice going Chris.  :)

Quote from: Chrisbis on Sep 05, 10:00 AM 2011
Thanks Kat.

Do You have one for 4 inside numbers @0.02?
Someone else just asked me.

No Chris i don t have ( from 0,02).

@Cheers Blood!

Few more results.

Looking now (after a chat with very good friend of mine!) to play double up on the 4 inside number bet, and single (as is) on the 5 inside numbers group. See how it fairs eh!
I will impose a strict "Stop-Loss" limit on myself tho to test this value change !
I have learnt so much about this amazing game we call RNG.
[reveal]I do nowant upset anyone, therefore I won't call it Roulette![/reveal]

Keep on fire Chris.Just a question.How many games and how many units gained so far? :question:

prob 110 games or so now.
Profit is at +7300 units

Thanks for the info. :thumbsup:

QuoteDo You have one for 4 inside numbers @0.02?
Someone else just asked me.

You can tell him to use the progression calculator at link:://:.loothog.com/Systems/prog.html (link:://:.loothog.com/Systems/prog.html). Just entering 2$ starting bet and turn the decimal point on the results 2 steps to the left (pe a 2 becomes a 0,02 so). So you can calculate every progression you want.
Hope, that helps.
Btw, very impressive results! :o

Latest 12 game results- full card of WINNERS!!

An interesting twist to these results that I know will please some ppl.
The (24)** in the Notation card/file is the Item in question.
I'm not going to say what the interest was, but U can PM me if U really want to know, and are following this interesting story!
::)
Here's the Results of the UK VOTING PANEL for Monday 05 September @21.00 GMT.

New results with 4 inside numbers played at Double the original rate. 12 games
0.02 unit bet rate on those marked with a *
(apologies for the two missing Groups on the Top set of game results, I only just noticed they have scrolled off the Notepad page. I have corrected the 'Saved' file now!
Normal service will be resumed after these few short messages!! lol

Few (six), more games to show U.

First Major loss in many many games.
This game is NOT Bullet Proof, but we all knew that anyways! LoL
[reveal]I'm not crying- NO![reveal]Boo, Hoo!!!  :'([/reveal][/reveal]

I would not go beyond a certain point with the 5 inside number Group sequence, and hence "Stopped" betting with the progression.

I halted the progression at level 25, tho because I carried on playing the same set of inside numbers, they actually went on to win only a couple of levels later, @ level 27, but as we all know, Hind-sight is a wonderful thing!

I re-grouped, continued on with the same EC Group (5 inside numbers), but at the level 1 restart position, and regained some of the loss.
I also have to point out, that I have not quite finished working out an extended 5 inside number group progression list, so i was in a sense, playing BLIND.
At the mo, my 5 number bet progression, only goes to my max - 25 levels deep.

In my opinion, its always going to be the 5 number sequence, that will claw back some of your profit...
If U let it!!
8)

Here's the game session.

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12 new games, all winners. Half the loss recovery is now complete.

Oh, and for a certain Young Man, who wears his pants on the OUTSIDE of his inside numbers.....
[reveal]Was 200 spins for 12 games, earning 5.44 Euro.[reveal]Hi Superman![/reveal][/reveal]

Crash barriers now being rebuilt as we speak (U read! LoL )
Here is the Betting "Slip". (note the LOW progression values (Relatively)!) Nice work if You can get it!)

2Nd half of Recovery Now complete.

12 more games, 175 spins, producing 3.74  Euro Profit
I am now ahead of my previous Peak Cash.
That Whole recovery, of something like 9.00 Euros, took me 2 hours.

I think the strength of any system, must be measured by several criteria, and ONE of those,
is the ability to recover well, wen your "stop-loss" limits have been reached.

Ok.
Slight change to proceedings for this next test results (although, just so U the reader know, I am playing with REAL money!)

I know, that the future of any RNG bet will be how it sustains its self, in continuous play.
That is, not HIT & RUN.
RNG continuous play, can in my own opinion, be quite a devil to beat, in that I believe, the results/spins start to change MATHEMATICALLY in favour of the CASINO, as U play longer and longer in ONE CONTINUOUS session.

That said, all the other results have been, (with the above in mind), from short runs of games, where-after I have closed the RNG program, posted my results/screen shots etc, and then gone back into the Casino program, and continue with FRESH number crunching.

I'm under no illusions, that, that's what I am doing, when "Playing" Roulette at an RNG suite-
just number crunching.
What we/I have to find, is HOW to crunch those number very effectively, to get the H Gof results...
which is more wins than loses.
And I think of H Gthat way now-a-days.....................Win More/Lose Less.
As against True H Gwhich would be the Nirvana of all play..... WIN ALWAYS!

So, the next two screen shots, is my first attempt, at a little continuous play.
Part 1 is upto 183 spins and is 12 games, achieving Euro 4.79 clear profit.
Part 2 is spin 184 to spin 359, but due to a mis-calculation on my part (I was playing double upon base unit chip value, and the progression got the better of it, and the payback did not compute well at all. Need design new progression list/array, for more aggressive profit taking.)..anyway, it only mad an additional Euro 1.17 after recouping the mis-calc loses.

But it did show me, in some small measure, that continuous play is possible, if not a little arduous on the elbows, wrists, and eye strain! LoL
Here's the 2 game sessions. at the end of Part 2, I did manage to squeeze a 13th game onto the Notepad file, since I thought Group BOL was just starting to warm up from a late summer solstice, but in the end it didn't, and I had to go to level 15 to get my final win.
Lesson learn on chasing the Buxom women there......................Don't........../..........Do it.
(I'll let U read that how ever U want to !! LoL)
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Well, we all knew what was coming didn't we!

Super horrendous loses starting to invade the betting arena!!

Bets now going off the scale, as the progression list won't cope with the volume of Mis Hits.

Even when I tried to estimate the +52 levels, its looks like RNG can, and will take U all the way.
If tracking is long/lengthy, before the Betting Point, then there's a chance of a decent win, but if the betting opportunity comes within say 8/9/10 start up spins, then You are going to be in for a tough ride.
Longest progression I have had since last night is level 63.

That is unsustainable.

Sorry folks, testing over.

But the ride was excellent.
I have done a video, if anyone is interested, in how to play this game.
Its is a game though. Please, everyone, don't put your shirt on it...............it was just an idea.
The time line says it all.  :wink:

PM me anyone who wants more info on this 'Game'. be glad to help anyone with all questions.
or email chrisbis36@yahoo.com

Need a new project now.
Apart from the Obvious Morphing that goes on, I think teasing testing, is now over.

Cheers all.
C

Can't get why you have stopped playing it if the games were so good and profitable?
By the way,would like to get more results of your "Game".
Cheers

Hi chrisbis,
I've been following with interest... Sorry to hear of the collapse!
Maybe can still work with the EC betting way; small stakes; new progression?
A.

hi there chris, sorry to hear about your loss. Mm maybe 1 possible tweak would be to play the bet selection for 4 numbers for about 9 spins b4 looking for a new trigger?? . And maybe 5 numbers for say 7 spins?

cheers
hamsup

Thanks guys.
Looking at follow up game, with Similar attributes, and slower progression.

Did U know, 3 is a magic number in Roulette!

I will also look at that poss tweak Hamsup.

Cheers.
8)

Hi Chris! I´m also sorry about your loss.

Maybe its worth about thinking to combine both methods of playing this game. The EC´s and the inside No.s?

Eventually we could place 10 units each on the Ec´s and 1 unit on the inside. Progression like atlantis offers, 10/1 unit up on a loss, 10/1 down on a win.

Perhaps this could help to survive long streaks without a total hit for the cost, that some sessions will not end in profit?

I will not test this method because I´ve stoped playing at BV. After making a withdrawal I was only faced with extremes; too many extremes in my opinion, causing big losses. Could have been just bad luck, but who knows?
And to play this strategy with higher stakes I don´t have the balls, hehe. :lol:
But perhaps it´s worth thinking.

Best regards. :)

Topic now Unlocked.

Stay toon-ed for Update.

There is much work to be done here guys and gals!!  :thumbsup:

This bet is now called:-

BisMissingEC (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=7405.msg67502#msg67502)

come up and see me sometime!                 :xd: