Me and my Experience talking:
Me: Ok let s think of ways to make a winning system.
What about Sleepers ?
Expirience: Sleepers can t provide any advantage.
Me:Ok then what about repeaters? Roulette is showing so many repeaters .
Expirience: You can t take any advantage of the repeaters because you never know if and when and which of them are going to repeat.
Me: Ok what about patterns? Oh okok! I don t want any answer in this...I know patterns is the most silly thing ever.
What about finding IF Randomness has a habit of doing something more frequent or less frequent?
Expirience: If Randomness was doing doing something more or less frequent , then it wouldn t have the name RANDOMNESS.Over the years pleanty roulette explorers search for this task and noone was able to find anything....even w.i.n.3.m.i.l.l.i.o.n in the end proved to be a scam.
Me:Ok what about Money Managment?
Expirience: If there is no way of a better hit rate on the bets than the ultimate -2.7 then any money managment can t work .
Me: Ok you are right in everything ...but I run out of ideas. :(
I KNOW THAT ALL THE EXPIRIENCED MEMBERS HAVE CAME TO THE SAME COMCLUSION.
Thanks
You know what COMEDY is all about...............don't U?
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Hehehe,
Yes but my friend we also don t know when it s the Right and the Wrong time :)
if you have something in mind just shoot it !
I have always an open mind.
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Aug 26, 09:14 AM 2011
Me and my Experience talking:
Me: Ok let s think of ways to make a winning system.
What about Sleepers ?
experience: Sleepers can t provide any advantage.
Me:Ok then what about repeaters? Roulette is showing so many repeaters .
experience: You can t take any advantage of the repeaters because you never know if and when and which of them are going to repeat.
Me: Ok what about patterns? Oh okok! I don't want any answer in this...I know patterns is the most silly thing ever.
What about finding IF Randomness has a habit of doing something more frequent or less frequent?
experience: If Randomness was doing doing something more or less frequent , then it wouldn t have the name RANDOMNESS.Over the years plenty roulette explorers search for this task and no one was able to find anything....even w.i.n.3.m.i.l.l.i.o.n in the end proved to be a scam.
Me:Ok what about Money management?
experience: If there is no way of a better hit rate on the bets than the ultimate -2.7 then any money management can t work .
Me: Ok you are right in everything ...but I run out of ideas. :(
I KNOW THAT ALL THE experienced MEMBERS HAVE CAME TO THE SAME COMCLUSION.
Thanks
Hi V.....r
What about :
1. Hot numbers
2. Hot numbers and their neighbors
3. Hot sectors
4. Dealer signature
5. Neighbors in general
6. HOT,Hot,Hot......go with the trend
I already posted my opinion on this.... LOOK :
"""""Me:Ok then what about repeaters? Roulette is showing so many repeaters .
experience: You can t take any advantage of the repeaters because you never know if and when and which of them are going to repeat."""""""
But I will explain everything to you :
1. Hot numbers
We do not know how much longer they are gonna remain hot.So no advantage here. everything random again
2. Hot numbers and their neighbors The neibours can t make any deference.
3. Hot sectors The same fallacy like hot numbers.
4. Dealer signature Can work only if
a)The wheel is Tilted
b)The scatter of the ball is managable and has an average.
c)The dealer is our friend and : Spin the ball with the exact same speed in each spin and spin the wheel with exactly the same speed in each spin.
Can you find all those paramiters? LoL . If yes then please invite me there and I will fly to come. :D
5. Neighbors in general Just a fallacy , no real reason why to work...so again random
6. HOT,Hot,Hot......go with the trend . Why go with the trend? is there any rule that the trend will not change as soon as we will start placing our bets? Fallacy of the uneducated people.
Thanks
Ps. IF something in Roulette will be a winner, it will have REASONS !!! Math reasons or physics reasons.....there is no Magic.
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Aug 26, 03:36 PM 2011
I already posted my opinion on this.... LOOK :
"""""Me:Ok then what about repeaters? Roulette is showing so many repeaters .
experience: You can t take any advantage of the repeaters because you never know if and when and which of them are going to repeat."""""""
But I will explain everything to you :
1. Hot numbers
We do not know how much longer they are gonna remain hot.So no advantage here. everything random again
2. Hot numbers and their neighbors The neibours can t make any deference.
3. Hot sectors The same fallacy like hot numbers.
4. Dealer signature Can work only if
a)The wheel is Tilted
b)The scatter of the ball is managable and has an average.
c)The dealer is our friend and : Spin the ball with the exact same speed in each spin and spin the wheel with exactly the same speed in each spin.
Can you find all those paramiters? LoL . If yes then please invite me there and I will fly to come. :D
5. Neighbors in general Just a fallacy , no real reason why to work...so again random
6. HOT,Hot,Hot......go with the trend . Why go with the trend? is there any rule that the trend will not change as soon as we will start placing our bets? Fallacy of the uneducated people.
Thanks
Then go and play another game Viper.
I didn t attack you. And I am not here for fights.
Act the same......
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Aug 26, 04:28 PM 2011
I didn t attack you. And I am not here for fights.
Act the same......
Well you sort of did attack by insinuating Kattila is an uneducated person. here â€"
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Aug 26, 03:36 PM 2011
6. HOT,Hot,Hot......go with the trend . Why go with the trend? is there any rule that the trend will not change as soon as we will start placing our bets? Fallacy of the uneducated people.
Very true, but this is well known from his part,always same history.....
disappears or is banned but reappear after a few months with other name/nick
and attack if someone have another opinion different from its.
Do not worry i let you dialoque with your self...
cheers
and attack if someone have another opinion different from its.
Its not another opinion of mine.....its a deferent opinion of the true logic and Maths.
Anyway I will not continue this.....
I am here to give and to get help on ideas and in exploring the game.....
Same old losing ideas aren t leading to any new descovery....it is only leading to losing cycles
Thanks....can we move on?
Quote from: Skakus on Aug 26, 06:02 PM 2011
Well you sort of did attack by insinuating Kattila is an uneducated person. here â€"
I think, on Balance.....that is not an attack, but pointing out the Necessary Obsticules to achieving stability, on the Knowledge of how to track trends.
Lets agree more, than disagree!
I know somebody that got scammed by Win3million.
Hot numbers would provide an edge, IF you knew when the numbers were going to "heat up".
There was an old system called by Roy Ward Dickenson that was supposed to win long term, but I believe it was a failure in tests.
I do not have enough real spins to test it accurately. I mostly use RNG spins.
QuoteI KNOW THAT ALL THE experienced MEMBERS HAVE CAME TO THE SAME COMCLUSION
Correct, talking purely about RNG, you need 2 things
1) a selection that has small runs of losses, grouped preferably
2) MM to see you through those patches
It all depends on your winning streaks, if they are long and often enough, work out a recovery plan to suit MOST of those bad streaks. It always amazes me even in this day and age, the amount of people who still try to recover at the next possible chance, ie the next win will put you ahead, doomed for failure because after time they start waiting for virtual losses then play, this is just to cover up the shortfalls in the method, any method will work if the MM is built around it, rather than the other way around, chicken/egg
Chrisbis Thanks and you are right.
LuckoftheIrish I agree. Do you remember what was the rules of the system exactly? If yes please post it and we can all get some ideas from it, or even try to improve it.
Thanks
supermanI agree with you superman that all depends on the winning streaks and that a safe MM plan is the best way to go. ;)
Quote from: superman on Aug 27, 05:41 AM 2011
Correct, talking purely about RNG, you need 2 things
1) a selection that has small runs of losses, grouped preferably
Relatively speaking, what is a small run of losses, and how could they be grouped preferably?
2) MM to see you through those patches
It all depends on your winning streaks, if they are long and often enough, work out a recovery plan to suit MOST of those bad streaks.
I don’t understand this. Are you saying we should change our MM between good streaks and bad streaks? Isn’t that back to the start of the argument, which is you don’t know when the good & bad streaks will manifest? And couldn't virtual betting be part of a recovery plan?
It always amazes me even in this day and age, the amount of people who still try to recover at the next possible chance, ie the next win will put you ahead,
Who does this? No one I know does this. The only way to do this is with an endless progression. Even those who use a hefty negative progression will start again and grind back to profit after any bust.
doomed for failure because after time they start waiting for virtual losses then play, this is just to cover up the shortfalls in the method, any method will work if the MM is built around it, rather than the other way around, chicken/egg
Why can’t virtual betting be engineered into a system? For instance, if your system is strong and hovering around the house edge then a clever virtual betting plan only needs to eliminate just a few more losers than winners to put the system into plus territory.
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** 1. Hot numbers
We do not know how much longer they are gonna remain hot.So no advantage here. everything random again **
I know is random but what system/method can do what hot numbers do ?
(see graphs/tests ,after 250 000 spins still up flat bet , then goes down)
Also i know in the very long run no system or method can work ,but we have
to try to reach a daily/ monthly target and take the lose when this hit.
cheers
Also i know in the very long run no system or method can work ,but we have
to try to reach a daily/ monthly target and take the lose when this hit.
IF in the long run something can t work, then by taking the loss when it hits as you say means cearly(by maths point of view) that we will lose eventually....soon or later.
Now IF we are so lucky that in our visits we will be playing that kind of numbers sequences that are goona FAVOUR our system and play as you say 250 000 spins(not in 1 visit but in several visits) and we are Up , then that doesn t prove that we are winning because we have a great system.....it only proves that we are lucky.....
Maths Conclusion : If a system can not win in the long run then we can t risk to play ir for real....simply because we can t know when the big DOWN will come! It can come after 250.000 spins as in ur example(so we will be rich if we are also playing with bigger chips after some points), but it can happen from the start!
When we leave the casino as winners, NOTHING push the RESET button of the losses(disadvantage -2.7) that are gonna come in the furure......everytime we visit the Casino the disadvantage is still there ....
In other words the spins are adding up each time we play....And this is mathimaticaly PROVEN and not just my opinion......
Kattila keep in mind that this post or any post of mine doesn t have the intention to offend you.....
What I post is straight forward by pure maths
Thank you.
Kattila if you can t understand or accept what I posted above , then here is a very simple way to understand that HIT and RUN can t work for real....
take the graph that you posted(that in 250.000 spins is going up and then down and doesn't recover in a new profit)
Take samples from the begining and say that after +20 chips you would stop the game for the day and leave .....
do this in the 1st 250.000 spins....You are a winner right???
Now continue doing the same HIT and RUN thing after +20 or for e.g. stop and go homme after -80 chips..... U will realise that after the 250000 spins(that were favouring your system) the most of the times you would go home as a loser......so eventually even with hit and run you wouldn t be able to make money.....
This post is for everyong that thinks that HIT AND RUN can help in winning.
Thanks
Hit and Run can work ONLY if a system is able to win in the long run.....
and the hit and run will be used in this case just to save us time and not play all day and night long and not as a defensive mechanism.
You can find the system here:
link:://rouletteforum.cc/1-to-4-numbers/roy-ward-dickson-system/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/1-to-4-numbers/roy-ward-dickson-system/)
R.Explorer, You know if u want to collect good different info from different people You have to keep extremely friendly tones with them, bud. I am telling u this not out of arrogance or something, rather for giving u just a friendly advice. I admit that i kinda freaked out already from discussions with u, i guess that could be a case with other people. Again, what i am telling u --it is not desire to attack u personally, just a little friendly advice.
coming to forum with claiming having new good ideas and blah-blah-blah, and when people start criticizing your ideas and your mistakes as the see them (without getting personal) u turn on them,
get furious, tell them to shut up . Then u leave, and come back offering new discussions. of course many people would prefer to better shut up. Like me.
Its you who started attacking.
I am just a friendly member. I am expressing the MATHS and not (my)opinions.
Maths are absolut and can t have deferent opinions...
OK sure. extremely sorry about attacking u. My fault. I won't anymore. Good luck in your roulette adventures. And good luck in defending yourself from other people "attacks". Good luck in finding holy grail between defending yourself. :thumbsup:
Thanks man... :wink:
We don t have to say anything else because that kind of talk is not productive....I prefare my posts to be productive...so if you like go and read my new Topic. :)