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Tested on random.org with no zero........

5000 spins, 625 games played, 3 losses..............

4 step progression, 80 units..................

Hello AMK!
Please explain more detail method and what steps you win:
625 games
1 step=?
2 step=?
3 step=?
4 step=?
lost= 3
Thanks AMK!

Record dozens first then columns alternating in two separate groups............


spin 1:

dozens      columns
2

Spin 2;

dozens       columns
2                 3


spin 3:

dozens       columns
21               3

spin 4:

dozens       columns
21               32   = trigger is two numbers in each group...........


Now we bet that the patterns do not continue/flow for both groups............

Betting against 2121  and 3232 forming...............


spin 5:
dozens        columns
212              32     = progression 1 loss..........


spin 6:
dozens        columns
212             321   = win on progression 2

This is very fast system, can you explain how many times you win each steps?
Thanks.

Hello donik7777,

I will have to review my notes........

I felt that only losses were important to record.....

I can assure you that progression level 4 wins are very few..........

Thanks so much for fast answer, sorry for inconvenience, simply i looking for difference between steps for play without big progression. :thumbsup:

Quote from: amk on Aug 31, 07:30 PM 2011
Tested on random.org with no zero........

5000 spins, 625 games played, 3 losses..............

AMK should you at least test it with a roulette single zero to get a relistic oujt come of your method as most play the single zero roulette

Regards Rodney

Seems xtremely promisin

Maybe if we test it on BVnozero we'll get the same results

"spin 4:

dozens       columns
21               32   = trigger is two numbers in each group..........."

hi AMK
you said  two nos. in each group is the trigger, do you mean two different nos?

thanks

 
This looks like Code 4 except you are starting to bet at 5^th spin rather than 13^th.


Spin #1: Record Dozen
Spin #2: Record Column
Spin #3: Record Dozen
Spin #4: Record Column
Spin #6: Bet Against Spin #1 Forming
Spin #7: Bet Against Spin #2 Forming


Using your example of 21 for dozens and 32(CB) for columns you would get


2 C 1 B


Maybe I do not understand your system as explained and you can clarify further?


Thanks . . . Nick

Quote from: amk on Aug 31, 08:49 PM 2011
Hello donik7777,

I will have to review my notes........

I felt that only losses were important to record.....

I can assure you that progression level 4 wins are very few..........

Amk hi, give us two or three working examples to make sure we have got this down right. At the moment my thinking is we record two spins for the dozens. Followed by two spins for the columns? Then from the 5th spin we oppose whatever result we got. EXAMPLE

23AB---CODE TO bet against

23BB---WIN STEP 3 as it did not become column A. Have I got this right AMK? If not please elaborate so we can start testing. And also go into extreme detail about OPPOSITE. that's the one I'm really looking forward to testing. Dedicate a new thread to OPPOSITE. I really like what you have cooking at the moment AMK. CODE 4 will be a hard act to follow for me, but you never know.

REGARDS JL

Hello everyone,

I will try and explain PATTERN FLOW clearer........

In my first explanation I gave columns numbers but will now give them letters to avoid confusion......


Record dozens first then columns alternating in two separate groups............

spin 1:

dozens      columns
2

spin 2:

dozens       columns
2                 C


spin 3:

dozens       columns
21               C

spin 4:

dozens       columns
21               CB   = trigger is two spin results in each group...........


Now we bet that the patterns do not continue/flow for both groups............

Betting against 2121  and CBCB forming...............


spin 5:

dozens        columns
212              CB     = progression 1 loss, 2 appeared.........


spin 6:

dozens        columns
212             CBB   = win on progression 2, B appeared.
                                 

After a win we always virtual spin until we have 4 spin results for both dozens and columns...
Example

dozens        columns
2123            CBBA           

Then and only then can the next game start if you are playing two or three back to back games. That is the absolute max that this method can be played once or twice daily...............


It does not matter which two dozens or columns come up for our trigger..........
It can be 33 and AA   Then we are betting against 3333 and AAAA forming.......
It can be 31 and BB   Then we are betting against 3131 and BBBB forming.......

I feel the beauty of the method lies in having two sequences forming at the same time. It is difficult for random to create two sequences at the same time which are "harmonious".....which flow..........

As my test shows, random tends to creates "chaotic" patterns far more than harmonious ones. Sure one sequence might be harmonious/flowing but two at the same time is very rare. The only aspect which can give this method trouble is ofcourse the zero............

Hi AMK,

How's this working out so far?

Woods

Hello donik7777 and woods101,

I am very sorry that I have not replied sooner. Sometimes that's how it goes...........


Dinik7777, I do not know the wins per bets as I did not keep track of these stats...........

I think you can guess how they will look.............


Woods101, all I can say is that I have tested 625 games and lost 3 on random.org, no zero..........

Quote from: amk on Sep 13, 04:13 PM 2011
Woods101, all I can say is that I have tested 625 games and lost 3 on random.org, no zero..........

Does it mean: 625 units - 240 units = 385 units profit?
For continuous play?

Indeed so marivo...............

Isnt't this same as code4 only we are waiting 4 spins instead 12?  ???

Quote from: marivo on Sep 22, 08:22 AM 2011
Isnt't this same as code4 only we are waiting 4 spins instead 12?  ???

Marivo, by definition this has to be different then CODE4............

We are not waiting 12 spins but 4...............

Sniffing 'round. looking for the scent...

Interesting.... ???

Interesting indeed.

At first glance, my impression was, that looks like a really good, smooth progression of profit and
bankroll growth.

Steady climb, of about a 20/24* angle with beautiful little "Icicles" of down-draws along the journey.

Then I blew up the image, to have a close look, and the first stage of this bet, before the Dawn Chorus arrived, and a different story emerges.

Take a look at this section of the graph, with out any markers on, and that early dip into recession, looks like a total reversal of fortune,  of BR gain.
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Then look at it with a straight line indicator, pulled right from the 500 measurement, and You can see...
the bankroll increase, would have gone, in less than 75 spins!
Back to 500 base!

This is the problem with some bets, how to capitalize on early flat-ish but steady growth, and keep hold of that BR, knowing the Double Dip is bound to happen.
Maybe a change in the Unit value used after 'X' number of spins?
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Thoughts anyone, and some solutions to the problem?

Well spotted Chris and good point..! I was testing with a bankroll of 500 and bet units of 5 but obviously that could be changed so that the bankroll wasn't in danger (500 BR/1 unit bets)...

Whilst this was a short run (in testing terms) the interesting point to me was that it did not suffer a max progression loss during that session...

Regards

Could this be a constant winner at BV NZ?

Quote from: Chrisbis on Nov 16, 03:48 PM 2011
Interesting indeed.

At first glance, my impression was, that looks like a really good, smooth progression of profit and
bankroll growth.

Steady climb, of about a 20/24* angle with beautiful little "Icicles" of down-draws along the journey.

Then I blew up the image, to have a close look, and the first stage of this bet, before the Dawn Chorus arrived, and a different story emerges.

Take a look at this section of the graph, with out any markers on, and that early dip into recession, looks like a total reversal of fortune,  of BR gain.
[attachimg=1]

Then look at it with a straight line indicator, pulled right from the 500 measurement, and You can see...
the bankroll increase, would have gone, in less than 75 spins!
Back to 500 base!

This is the problem with some bets, how to capitalize on early flat-ish but steady growth, and keep hold of that BR, knowing the Double Dip is bound to happen.
Maybe a change in the Unit value used after 'X' number of spins?
[attachimg=2]

Thoughts anyone, and some solutions to the problem?

Hi Chris,

I'd say ride it out. The dip is about 50u for a period of 5 spins(?) or so and then recovers (stage 3 progression maybe at a guess). As topcat says it didn't max out the progression once in 1200 spins. I'd say that's not bad. For a total progression loss of 80 units then even one blowout in this example would leave you with 300u approx left.

(Come to the darkside luke! I know you want to!  8) )

(Or alternatively -Do you take the red pill...or the blue pill?  ;) )

Woods

Cut the YELLOW wire.  :-X

 ;D

QuoteMaybe a change in the Unit value used after 'X' number of spins?

LOL, define 'X' as you know, or should know already, it's a moving target

Well, in the above graphical example, lets say, we play with 2 units as the base level, upto the 50th spin.
Then drop to 1.5 or 1 for the base level for the next 50 spins.
(I know someone is going to say, I am viewing this with Hypothetical eyes!)

If the test was repeated and repeated, over and over again, and the same test data and graph comes back, then U could begin to alter the Inner structure of the bet design, and maybe alter the MM side of things, to achieve a "cleaner" ride?

Or, do U get into your stride from the outset, and parlay this bet, in batches.

Lets run test with a variety of rules, and step changes, and see which suits this "Random Challenging" system?

your thorts always welcome Neal. You know so much more than I on this stuff!!>  :P

Quotewe play with 2 units as the base level, upto the 50th spin. Then drop to 1.5 or 1 for the base level for the next 50 spins

X = 50 then, that may work on your first run but X wont = 50 on the next attempt, your basing it on what the historical graph is showing you, X may never = 50 again!!

Hence the need to run many many tests, with all available numbers till we have say 100 charts/graphs and can compare them side by side (well, I mean overlapped, and take the average)

Then we would see, where (if required) the change would be needed/desirable.
But I get your drift.

(So the custard is on me eh!)..... love triffling around me!

Thought I'd bring back PATTERN FLOW.......

Anybody like Topcats graph?

Hope Chrisbis is still out there or did he get band some how?

Chris has not been banned or something, he is welcome here as always,  and i see he visits the forum sometimes, but it's been a while since he posted here, november last year. My guess is he is very busy with something else.

it would be interesting to see what he is up to those days and if he is gonna be back to roulette stuff again.

Hi amk,

It will be good if you bring back the pattern flow and I like Topcats graph  8)

Anybody playing this at all?

I've just had a play. Think I understand it?

Just to check I have this right, Your first bet is dozens and second bet is columns then back to dozens etc.  Thanks

Speaking of the graph only and ONLY my opinion--I have not been up the mountain!

It is very common for a graph to show a loss of the initial gain.  You go up 100 and then down 110.  The killer is the graph that goes up to 1000 and then down to -1000.  (Exaggerample!)  This means a loss of 1000 and you could have started at the high point!  Would/could and yes, should you continue when you've lost 1000 of Mama's money?

TwoCat

Quote from: amk on Aug 31, 08:14 PM 2011
Record dozens first then columns alternating in two separate groups............


spin 1:

dozens      columns
2

Spin 2;

dozens       columns
2                 3


spin 3:

dozens       columns
21               3

spin 4:

dozens       columns
21               32   = trigger is two numbers in each group...........


Now we bet that the patterns do not continue/flow for both groups............

Betting against 2121  and 3232 forming...............


spin 5:
dozens        columns
212              32     = progression 1 loss..........


spin 6:
dozens        columns
212             321   = win on progression 2

OK, had a second look (or is it the first?) and AMK's idea.  By Jove, I like it.  Have some questions about the alternation, but the Cat's graph makes is worth studying more.

So,  the big pregunta, why does everyone abandon ideas that seem to have merit and chase Mr. Li?

"One, two three--Look at Mr. Li
Three, four, five--Look at him jive"

It's HUMOR.

Sam

I'm here!! lol

[reveal]Recently getting back to reading what you guys have been up to[/reveal]

I see my reveal doesn't work these days

Omg!
Could it be?
Is it really?
Chris? Is that you?!  ;D

Tis moi
:girl_to:
How goes it Edd ?

Just goin with the flow and found this thread was up again after not checking the forum for some time.

Perhaps something to PATTERN FLOW?

After seeing a vast amount of roulette stats, logic tells me we are just betting any random number between 1 and 80 due to it being a 4 step 2 dozen progression.

But the hit rate is 1/208?

Am I willing to bet the next ten 5000 game sessions I test on random.org will have similar results? 

Could turn $160 into $2000-4000 live, then never play the method again?

But why not continue on? whenever I go below the units I won during the first ten 5000 spin sessions I will then stop playing the method for good? Should I continually keep increasing my BR by $1000 along the way I make a $800 unit loss my new win/loss goal.

There is going to be a time this happens, might be after 5 10 5000 spin sessions but you will still be in the plus. Might be during the first ten 5000 spin session, but I doubt it.

Certain methods are strong to a certain point for some strange reason.

Then you have to tweak them a little......

Anyway : )