OPPOSITE
Opposite is a very quick method to play.
It should only be played two or three times back to back once or twice daily............
Tests on random.org shows it strength. 625 games played 1 loss.
We are using a four stage progression totaling 80 units 1/1 3/3 9/9 27/27
Step 1:
spin 4 times and record the results for dozens or columns.....
3213
now we are going to bet against it's opposite landing which is 3123
spin 5:
3213 3 ...... loss on prog 1
spin 6:
3213 31 ...... loss on prog 2
spin 7:
3213 313 ........ win on prog 3
We will be playing two or three back to back games. The next step is the most important and KEY ingredient to achieving the results I had in my test on random.org...........
Step 2:
Virtual spin until we have 4 spin results for the pattern we were betting against.....
3213 3132 in this case two landed.....
Now we spin 4 times again to get or next pattern. Once we have our pattern we bet against it's opposite landing directly within the next four spins............
3213 3132
1131 ....... we have the next pattern and will now bet against its OPPOSITE........
Are you playing one dozen or two dozens?????
Stuart
Not quite sure what you mean bikemotorman?.........
I am just playing dozens or columns. With this I mean you can decide to use dozens or columns for playing............
You have ofcourse 3 dozens, dozen 1, 2 and 3..............
Sorry I get you now bikemotorman..............
I am playing 2 dozens, two bets each progression 1/1 then 3/3 9/9 27/27
So if you are betting against 3 place bets on dozens 1 and 2
OK now we are on the same page, I have had some great results so far, I will post later.
Stuart :) ;) :D ;D
Hello AMK! Thanks for your work.
1.How do you play if appear 0?
2.Can you explain how many times you won
1 step=?
2 step=?
3 step=?
4 step=?
lost= 1
:thumbsup:
I always cover 0 00.
Stuart
Hello bikemotorman! I from NY, how do you play 00 roulette with this system?
when I see this -----> progression 1/1 then 3/3 9/9 27/27 It is killing me. LoL
You can t bet so many chips just to make +1
Here is short session from a few moments ago on BETPHOENIX.COM
Stuart
Roulettexplorer you are right, I too looking for play with this system without progression and i thionking about different results between steps.
This is similar to Turbo's 4 spin sequence system (link:://turbogenius.webs.com/4spinsequencesystem.htm), except he was betting against the same pattern.
Thank you for sharing Bayes...............
Hello everyone!
Many thanks to some participants of this forum.
I've already talked about this that playing with the progression equivalent to murder. Well, think of yourself like you come to the casino with the money and began to bet 10 dollars how much it will be 80 units, we do not need any progress. And if you're playing $ 50 without progression then reaching 5-10 units you can go home. We have to calculate (code4, D&C, opposte) where the there is a difference between the steps as shown by Johnlegend and reach 5-10 units, we are obliged to leave. I would suggest to count on some systems on which step of how many victories playing without hit and run.
The results suggest that there is a difference between the steps, I also tested D&C and so far I have 5-10 units in 200-300 spins.
U mean "Banks" ?
Quote from: amk on Sep 06, 12:09 PM 2011
OPPOSITE
Opposite is a very quick method to play.
It should only be played two or three times back to back once or twice daily............
Tests on random.org shows it strength. 625 games played 1 loss.
We are using a four stage progression totaling 80 units 1/1 3/3 9/9 27/27
Step 1:
spin 4 times and record the results for dozens or columns.....
3213
now we are going to bet against it's opposite landing which is 3123
spin 5:
3213 3 ...... loss on prog 1
spin 6:
3213 31 ...... loss on prog 2
spin 7:
3213 313 ........ win on prog 3
We will be playing two or three back to back games. The next step is the most important and KEY ingredient to achieving the results I had in my test on random.org...........
Step 2:
Virtual spin until we have 4 spin results for the pattern we were betting against.....
3213 3132 in this case two landed.....
Now we spin 4 times again to get or next pattern. Once we have our pattern we bet against it's opposite landing directly within the next four spins............
3213 3132
1131 ....... we have the next pattern and will now bet against its OPPOSITE........
Well done AMK for getting this one off the ground. If this works as good as it looks we have another gem in the arsenal.
Hi AMK, I've started testing/playing your latest gem OPPOSITE. 40 wins out of 40 games so far. I will give a proper update once I have 300 played games. AS that is my personal minumum proofing limit for a method. Well done, it looks like we have another great one on our hands. We are spoilt on this forum we really are. The question is, will the majority of members/browsers EVER REALIZE THIS. ??? ??
Hi AMK and JL,
Another good idea - looks very interesting.
A.
Hello everyone!
Somebody found a system that gives frequent loss?
If yes he will be millioner!
Quote from: donik7777 on Sep 14, 11:05 AM 2011
Hello everyone!
Somebody found a system that gives frequent loss?
If yes he will be millioner!
???
We will need to play a completely reverse
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Sep 06, 04:11 PM 2011
when I see this -----> progression 1/1 then 3/3 9/9 27/27 It is killing me. LoL
You can t bet so many chips just to make +1
Why not Roulette explorer. Forget the outlay for a moment. Think of the potential profit margin. If it comes to pass that this method only loses once every 500--1000 games played. Will you be griping about risking 80 units? I think not.
One criticism I have for newbies, and I was once this way myself. Is you expect a lot for a LITTLE. That is why we have casual method hoppers littering every forum on the game. You lack the staying power to truly discover a methods true value or lack of PROPERLY.
This casual attitude does you no favours. And means you will never really get anywhere with the game. You have to stick to something long enough to gain both confidence and longterm profit. Now you have several roulette killers sitting on this forum. The weak link remains your lack of staying power and patience. Sort those out and you will seriously start moving forward.
RouletteExplorer is no newbie. ;)
Quote from: amk on Sep 06, 12:09 PM 2011
It should only be played two or three times back to back once or twice daily............
I take it the system loses if you play it continuously so taking a break between sessions is a waste of time. It's just delaying the inevitable. Sorry to sound negative but I've devised gambling systems over the years and I've also been guilty of similar tactics in my early days and this isn't a good approach to adopt.
RESULTS UPDATE FOR OPPOSITE FOR 19/9/11
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 300
TOTAL GAMES WON 299
TOTAL GAMES LOST 1
STRIKERATE 299/1
BALANCE 440 UNITS PLUS
STEP 1 WINS 123
STEP 2 WINS 102
STEP 3 WINS 64
STEP 4 WINS 10---LOSSES 1
This result is better than it looks, and I must congratulate AMK for another superb method to rival possibly surpass CODE 4.
I'm impressed for two reasons. A, these 300 games were played in ten continuos sessions of 30 games. All played ON DOZENS ONLY.B, When the loss came in game 193 it was from a type of pattern I think should void a bet.
3223--This type of pattern offers no advantage just as 2222 doesn't. Played straight or opposite the outcome is the same. Therefore AMK, I personaly will skip a potential game with such a mirror pattern. So overall I'm very impressed with my first 300 results. I'm playing this for 30 games a session once a day. CODE 4 cannot match this type of strikerate played in a similar fashion.
Next update at 600 games played...
My fault JohnLegend..................
I saw this sometime ago but did not mention it............
Sorry for that.....
Your testing does show the strength of the method.............
Play on.............
Infact, the only recorded loss I had during testing was due to this combination..........
Quote from: Johnlegend on Sep 19, 09:57 AM 2011
RESULTS UPDATE FOR OPPOSITE FOR 19/9/11
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 300
TOTAL GAMES WON 299
TOTAL GAMES LOST 1
STRIKERATE 299/1
BALANCE 440 UNITS PLUS
STEP 1 WINS 123
STEP 2 WINS 102
STEP 3 WINS 64
STEP 4 WINS 10---LOSSES 1
This result is better than it looks, and I must congratulate AMK for another superb method to rival possibly surpass CODE 4.
I'm impressed for two reasons. A, these 300 games were played in ten continuos sessions of 30 games. All played ON DOZENS ONLY.B, When the loss came in game 193 it was from a type of pattern I think should void a bet.
3223--This type of pattern offers no advantage just as 2222 doesn't. Played straight or opposite the outcome is the same. Therefore AMK, I personaly will skip a potential game with such a mirror pattern. So overall I'm very impressed with my first 300 results. I'm playing this for 30 games a session once a day. CODE 4 cannot match this type of strikerate played in a similar fashion.
Next update at 600 games played...
nice one.
I think patterns like 1312 or 1231 where all 3 of the dozens appear might be a good plan i dont know .i got dinged on 2111 got the loss 1112 .
Quote from: Johnlegend on Sep 19, 09:57 AM 2011
RESULTS UPDATE FOR OPPOSITE FOR 19/9/11
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 300
TOTAL GAMES WON 299
TOTAL GAMES LOST 1
STRIKERATE 299/1
BALANCE 440 UNITS PLUS
STEP 1 WINS 123
STEP 2 WINS 102
STEP 3 WINS 64
STEP 4 WINS 10---LOSSES 1
This result is better than it looks, and I must congratulate AMK for another superb method to rival possibly surpass CODE 4.
I'm impressed for two reasons. A, these 300 games were played in ten continuos sessions of 30 games. All played ON DOZENS ONLY.B, When the loss came in game 193 it was from a type of pattern I think should void a bet.
3223--This type of pattern offers no advantage just as 2222 doesn't. Played straight or opposite the outcome is the same. Therefore AMK, I personaly will skip a potential game with such a mirror pattern. So overall I'm very impressed with my first 300 results. I'm playing this for 30 games a session once a day. CODE 4 cannot match this type of strikerate played in a similar fashion.
Next update at 600 games played...
thanx a lot for your efforts, John
hi JL
HELLISH PROGRESSION SCARED ME! :yawn: :yawn:
CATALYST
Any updates on this?
I found that the 0 is a big problem, and if we cover it we need a bigger BR to gain profit, at least the 5x80 units
Thoughts?
For now I found only one loss, the pattern was 2313 and 3132 came.
The 0 is a nuisance.
Anybody still playing this?
Has anyone thought about including the columns?
It would be like:
1A2B
then bet against B2A1
Maybe this way we get an even better hit rate?
Dosent matter the order or anything u will still hit the 4 losses
StackBundles are you sure?
Shouldn't it be better because od the columns, the less chance the losing patttern will form?
I wanted to bring this back to the front as I believe this system has some more mileage in it and shouldn't be consigned to the system scrapheap...
Here's a session just finished at DB / Table 1 ~ in 3183 live consecutive spins OPPOSITE lost twice, yes twice..!
Clearly the progression is the problem, any thoughts on how to improve amk's superb system..?
A better way to play this would be to follow the pattern as mentioned in the original post, but split your bet as follows:
If for example you are going to play the first and last dozen, split the same amount of the bet and place it on line 1, 2, 4 & 6, that way you still cover exactly the same numbers, but if you win, you get 2 units instead of 1, therefore, double your winnings!
Quote from: StackBundles on Nov 07, 01:10 PM 2011
doesn't matter the order or anything u will still hit the 4 losses
Hello Stackbundles,
You are right, however this only happens 3 to perhaps 6 times per day. If you play only five or ten times per day you could avoid those patterns for a considerable time. Granted, you will see them sometime. But with several BR's you can perhaps keep growing.
There are about 360 patterns per day on one wheel.
3 or 6 of them will be the OPPOSITE.....
ive always liked these kind of bets. what are your results so far ??
cheers jase
1112 is a winning bet,its opposite of 2111 !!
what do we do with 4 virtual-spins that include a zero ( 3102 ).do we wait for another 4 virtual set without a zero for our trigger ?
Quote from: louisf on Dec 29, 09:45 AM 2011
A better way to play this would be to follow the pattern as mentioned in the original post, but split your bet as follows:
If for example you are going to play the first and last dozen, split the same amount of the bet and place it on line 1, 2, 4 & 6, that way you still cover exactly the same numbers, but if you win, you get 2 units instead of 1, therefore, double your winnings!
Can you explain this again as i cannot work out how you double the result,cheers.
Quote from: soggett on Oct 03, 05:31 AM 2011
Any updates on this?
I found that the 0 is a big problem, and if we cover it we need a bigger BR to gain profit, at least the 5x80 units
Thoughts?
For now I found only one loss, the pattern was 2313 and 3132 came.
The 0 is a nuisance.
I thought 3123 was the complete OPPOSITE of 2313 !!!! Cheers.
OPPOSITE
Opposite is a very quick method to play.
wow what a great idea!! and i think? i understand it!!
however as one or two other posters have asked when charting new
spins, if a zero appears do you discard that line
i.e 23 then 0 discard, and chart a new line?
amazing systems here, now (seriously) if only i could understand Divide and Conquer
i might actually win something!!
Dth
Hello downthehatch and dino246,
*When a zero appears in a line you do not use it. Move on to the next but finish your line and virtually spin the opposite bet. Then start a new line to bet against
1301 2312 zero appears but finish off the game virtually
1132 ........ now we have a pattern with no zero so we can play it.
*1113 its opposite is 3111 You read the line from right to left and then you have the opposite.
*It has been mentioned that patterns that do not make an opposite such as 2332 = 2332 should not be played. There is no opposite "advantage"/statistic here, its the same pattern, thus you would be playing SAME.
*Playing OPPOSITE five to ten times per day with several bankrolls could keep you ahead. There are 3 to 6 losing lines/patterns per day on one wheel. This is an important fact. Every 24 hours we are given 360 different patterns. We know that 3 to 6 of them will make us lose.
Quote from: amk on Jan 21, 04:53 PM 2012
Hello downthehatch and dino246,
*When a zero appears in a line you do not use it. Move on to the next but finish your line and virtually spin the opposite bet. Then start a new line to bet against
1301 2312 zero appears but finish off the game virtually
1132 ........ now we have a pattern with no zero so we can play it.
*1113 its opposite is 3111 You read the line from right to left and then you have the opposite.
*It has been mentioned that patterns that do not make an opposite such as 2332 = 2332 should not be played. There is no opposite "advantage"/statistic here, its the same pattern, thus you would be playing SAME.
*Playing OPPOSITE five to ten times per day with several bankrolls could keep you ahead. There are 3 to 6 losing lines/patterns per day on one wheel. This is an important fact. Every 24 hours we are given 360 different patterns. We know that 3 to 6 of them will make us lose.
thanks Amk
also just to be absolutely clear re patterns, not to use any mirror image that is the same
i.e. 1331 3113 2112 1221 3333 etc etc
many thanks
Dth
Can you confirm if the following games are correct please.
2d
1d
3d
3d trigger
2d lose
2d win reset
3d
1d
2d
1d trigger
1d win reset
2d
1d
1d
2d no trigger reset
3d
0
2d
1d no trigger reset
2d
2d
1d
1d no trigger reset
Great simple-system this,just want to make sure before going LIVE !! Cheers.
Hi AMK.
Can you play the following spins using your system as my last post i"m sure is wrong !!!
23
4
33
36
21
19
0
33
7
19
3
11
14
8
33
15
10
13
15
8
1
23
Cheers.
Quote from: dino246 on Jan 22, 06:23 AM 2012
Can you confirm if the following games are correct please.
2d
1d
3d
3d trigger
2d lose
2d win reset
3d
1d
2d
1d trigger
1d win reset
2d
1d
1d
2d no trigger reset
3d
0
2d
1d no trigger reset
2d
2d
1d
1d no trigger reset
Great simple-system this,just want to make sure before going LIVE !! Cheers.
ok, you have
2133 so we bet against the opposite happenning which is 3312
so we bet 1 and 2 dozen, result is 2 dozen and it is a win for us
Get it?
moving on, you write down the rest so you have
2133 2231
2112 - now we discard because the opposite is the same 2112 - no advantage
but we write it down anyway
so now we have
2112 1123
0212 - zero hits so we do not bet against the opposite pattern
0212 211
here you stopped with dozens
I hope its simpler now
Remember we bet against the opposite pattern - if we have 1233 we bet against 3321 - thus we are betting 1/2 then 1/2 then 1/3 then 2/3.
Stop at a win
Is it clearer now?
Hi amk,
I did some realistic test for 65.000 real wheel spins in Hit and Run style.
Again coded random entry points at the daily permanences, play 1 game, wait for a later random entry point and play the next game. All over about 5500 games.
Prog 1/1 3/3 9/9 27/27
Results:
Strike rate around 1/64 +-5 if you dont cover Zero
With Zero covered 1/84 +-5
Double Losses 0-3
As with all methods based on the 1/80 chances winning streaks from 2 to 450 are possible.
All in all not profitable unless u stop when you are in a positive swing and you are + in Cash.
Let me know if someone has played 5000+ games and has massive different results.
cheers
I think this is a great method from AMK
AMK, you once said to me playing many systems at once is the best thing to do?
i think:
play this for 1 or 2 chips
then against 123 for 1 or 2 chips
then against previous 3 for 1 or 2 chips can be VERY rewarding
AGREED RG
Even more to look at
people dont test right a lot of times, which leads to incorrect results
i had to read it several times
mini games of 4 spins, on a win let the 4 spins play out
then sit out the next 4 spins to get next trigger
NOT ROLLING
spin 1- LOSE
spin 2- WIN (we are done now let the rest of the 4 play out)
spin 3- VIRTUAL
spin 4- VIRTUAL
--------------------------end mini game
spin 1- VIRTUAL
spin 2- VIRTUAL
spin 3- VIRTUAL
spin 4- VIRTUAL
----------------------------new trigger bet against the opposite
he said this regarding his opposite strategy in the raymanz tweak grassroots thread
golly i think hes right
QuoteThis method along with many others will win for a certain amount of time or sessions played. I think we should play hundreds of methods just once hit and run style for a short amount of time then never again.
Sorry to jump into your thread but the more knowledge we share the better.
Wishing you success!
Quote from: soggett on Jan 22, 07:27 AM 2012
ok, you have
2133 so we bet against the opposite happenning which is 3312
so we bet 1 and 2 dozen, result is 2 dozen and it is a win for us
Get it?
moving on, you write down the rest so you have
2133 2231
2112 - now we discard because the opposite is the same 2112 - no advantage
but we write it down anyway
so now we have
2112 1123
0212 - zero hits so we do not bet against the opposite pattern
0212 211
here you stopped with dozens
I hope its simpler now
Remember we bet against the opposite pattern - if we have 1233 we bet against 3321 - thus we are betting 1/2 then 1/2 then 1/3 then 2/3.
Stop at a win
Is it clearer now?
soggett
Did you get the Laws sledge hammer with this method
Hi, good results so far, is this still performing well for many?
66 percent chance to win
Coupled with Betting against a moving target fixed pattern
Should be able to hit and run a few units flawlessly
this is very good
if you have the fortitude to play 1 3 9 27
have not seen a loss in testing
IF IF IF IF IF played EXACTLY how it is supposed to be
i am just about certain that if played by OPs exact rules this is a CWB
doesnt have to be the opposite
just against the last 4