I have posted a link to this post from another Forum, but now I've seen this section of the Forum I think its best to post it in full here. So here it is !
I've been using this System for a while now, and its not gone bust yet.
Yes of course it could at some point. Maybe the first time you try it, who knows ?
Anyway, regardless of the Nah Sayers (from the other Forum) who will rubbish it first chance they get I'm still gonna share it with you all.
I'm NOT selling anything. I'm NOT promoting any Casino.
Also I will give you some detailed info on my personal experience over the last few days so you can see the kinda results to expect.
The System covers 1-18/19-36 Odd/Even and Red/Black
It does use progression. I will detail all the info you need.
You will Always have 3 bets running
I play in 1hr sessions, take a break and resume.
Have you ever used a System that, when used, wiped you out coz you had 8 Reds or whatever in a row and blew ure BankRoll ?
Well if that happens with this System, that actually helps !
Ok. So here are the levels of progression I use. You can use ure own if you prefer, but make sure you have 8 levels.
Mine are
1 Unit
3 Units
7 Units
15 Units
31 Units
63 Units
127 Units
255 Units
Over 95% of bets have won by level 6 (63)
I've never lost on a level 8 (255) yet. I do hit level 8 (255) usually once every few days.
Yes if level 8 (255) losses then you lose.
So this is how we kick off
Place 1 chip on 1-18 and Even and Red
If you win on any of the 3 bets you stay at level 1
If any lose or win then you SWITCH to 19-36 Odd and Black
You ALWAYS switch regardless if you Win or Lose
So if a run of reds hit ure win when you switch
The ONLY time you will lose completely is if ALL 8 Levels are the opposite to your Switch. It hasn't happened to me yet. But I know it could sometime. Hence this is the closest I've come to a Holy Grail
Most times you will have different levels running as you play, so use a pen and paper to help yourself if you need too.
For example
bet 1-18 Even Red (1 chip on each) and 36 hits
Ure next bets would be 3 chips 19-36 1 chip Odd 1 chip Black
Another example
bet 1-18 Even Red and 29 hits
Ure next bets would be 3 chips on 19-36 3 chips Odd 3 Black
Then, say, 15 hits
You win on Black and Odd
The next bets would be 7 chips 1-18 1 chip Even 1 chip Red
Etc Etc
And that my friends is the closest I've come to a Holy Grail
The payout for 1hrs play is around Ã,£75
Here follow some examples that explain my results when I have played. It shows Profit Spins time elasped and what was the highest level was I had to go to.
Session 1 Profit Ã,£64 from 27 Spins in 1hr level 5 (31)
Session 2 Profit Ã,£79 from 28 Spins in 1hr level 5 (31)
Session 3 Profit Ã,£70 from 28 Spins in 1hr level 6 (63)
Session 4 Profit Ã,£74 from 24 Spins in 1hr level 6 (63)
Session 5 Profit Ã,£83 from 27 Spins in 1hr level 8 (255)
Session 6 Profit Ã,£80 from 27 Spins in 1hr level 6 (63)
So you get the idea
I've always started with Ã,£500 bankroll and NEVER needed to top it up. Maybe I've been lucky ? Even if I did blow Ã,£500 now and then, it pays for itself
I play about 4-5 1hr sessions a day, maybe more if I have nothing better to do
ALWAYS use REAL Wheels and NEVER RNG
The Wheel I use is an Auto Wheel driven by Air (I prefer them tbh)
And that's about it !
Play with Fun Free Chips for a few days and get the feel for it
Leave your feedback as to how you get on, and any improvements you think may help
Have Funn and Good Luck :)
Thanks for sharing this with us Paul!
Very appreciated.
Hope you get fine feedback from the members around :thumbsup:
No worries Victor !
If I had looked around a bit before my First Post, I would of put it here ;D
Thanx for your support !
Cheers
How do you overcome 8 chops in a row . . that would kill you
Yes thats correct
If ALL 8 Switches (your chops in effect) are the opposite to you, then you lose
Ive never had it happen yet, but I accept it can and probally will
Im so far in front with this System that I think losin the odd level 8 (255) is acceptable (for me anyway)
I also accept you could play this System and lose the 1st time you play it
Try it out on a REAL WHEEL usin Free Chips, see how you get on !
Cheers :)
Here follows a 3hr demo of the System
Okkk I've just done a Spin test
It was 100% Real with my Real Money
It took 3hrs (almost) and was 76 Spins long
The end Profit Figure was +236 Units
I will list the numbers as they happened to me. It was from an Air driven Wheel, tbh I prefer them !
Every 60 seconds there is a spin. You get around 25-30 Spins an hour.
I would find a Land Casino too slow, at busy times it can be 3-4 minutes btwn Spins ! Can you imagine that ? Nope, not for me ! Online Real Wheels are my bread and butter
OK. Remember we start at level 1 and start betting on 1-18 Even Red we ALWAYS SWITCH after EVERY Spin. So Spin 2 the bets are on 19-36 Odd Black etc etc
If you lose on any of the 3 bets you go UP a Level, the levels are as follows
1
3
7
15
31
63
127
255 Level 8
So here come my 3hrs worth of Real numbers from a Real Wheel taken from 15:40-18:35 GMT/BST
Also, when ALL 3 bets are back to level one I will highlight Current Profit, as at other times the bets are in flux
Here is what happened !
Bet 1-18 Even Red to Start
R30
R23
R25
Zero (only one to show up)
B22
R14
R27
B33 ALL 3 bets are back to level 1. Current Profit +26 (19-36 hits at level 6) (63)
R14 ALL 3 bets are back to level 1. Current Profit +29
R16
B31
R23
B6
R30
R25
R36
R3
R1 (odd hits at level 5) (31)
B35
B11
R27
B4
B6 (1-18 hits at level 6) (63)
R36
R5
R1
B11
B2
R9
B31 ALL 3 bets are back to level 1. Current Profit +98
R27
R12
B8
B28
B35
B2
R12 ALL 3 bets are back to level 1. Current Profit +119
B29 ALL 3 bets are back to level 1. Current Profit +122
B8
B20
B24
R7
B11
R3
B26
B17 Black hits at level 6 (63)
R27
R5
R12 ALL 3 bets are back to level 1. Current Profit +155. (1-18 hits at level 6) (63)
B17
R16 ALL 3 bets are back to level 1. Current Profit +161
B11
R23
B35 ALL 3 bets are back to level 1. Current Profit +170
B17
R32
R14 ALL 3 bets are back to level 1. Current Profit +179
B8
R14 ALL 3 bets are back to level 1. Current Profit +185
B35 ALL 3 bets are back to level 1. Current Profit +188
B20
B24
B29
R23
R21
B24
B8
R18
B17
R19
B4
B4 (Black hits at level 6) (63)
R9
B4
R12 ALL 3 bets are back to level 1. Current Profit +233
B35 ALL 3 bets are back to level 1. Current Profit +236
So 76 Spins almost 3hrs and +236 Units Profit
Note we NEVER went above level 6 (63)
I hope that helps some who needed a demo !
Yes, I accept that was for my wheel at that point in time and given enough Spins it will break at some point :)
Great results. What casino do you play this at?
Hi, thanx for your reply
You know, I prefer not to say. I never want to hear ppl say, "ah he was promoting that Casino" or words to that effect.
Im based in the UK
If you google Casino's ure find many that offer Real Wheels. Some Air driven some the normal way
I usually play at 3 or4 at the same time to increase hourly yield
They all come out about the same. The Air driven ones are faster, imo.
Hope that helps :)
I just did a manual little test with a RNG wheel, and it seems to work?
I know you said in BOLD never use RNG....
???
Regards
M
Hi Maui
Well thats my preferance. But if it works for you, then keep doing it ! Just know the signs on when to get out !!
Cheers :)
Quote from: Twisteruk on Aug 05, 03:02 PM 2010
Hi, thanx for your reply
You know, I prefer not to say. I never want to hear people say, "ah he was promoting that Casino" or words to that effect.
I'm based in the UK
If you google Casino's ure find many that offer Real Wheels. Some Air driven some the normal way
I usually play at 3 or4 at the same time to increase hourly yield
No worries mate. I understand
They all come out about the same. The Air driven ones are faster, imo.
Hope that helps :)
No worries. I can appreciate that. :)
Hi fellas.
I have been testing this too, on RNG in a bot, I have made some adjustments to evade the dreaded mega progression, the first is
If $balance > $dosh Or $balance = $dosh And $balance > 0 Then
$colourprog=1
$oddevenprog=1
$highlowprog=1
Reset progression to 1 if equal to or ahead
Secondly, just added this morning, if any progression is greater than or equal to 16 then add all progressions together and divide by 3, so far its looking reasonable, it was just a thought I had last night and may or may not work.
@ Maui13, howzit ek se. keep testing on RNG buddy
Noob question - how "live" is the live wheel?
As this could also be recorded,used with right timing etc??
Like flying my rc model on my simulator, CGI plane but real life environment...
Just my thought...
@Superman - you're Souf Efrican? :P
QuoteAs this could also be recorded,used with right timing etc??
I for one agree with you there, atleast with RNG you know you're in a fight.
Soutie mate, lived in CT for 16 years, missed the kak English weather so came home, lol
Quote from: Maui13 on Aug 06, 07:18 AM 2010
Noob question - how "live" is the live wheel?
As this could also be recorded,used with right timing etc??
Like flying my rc model on my simulator, CGI plane but real life environment...
Just my thought...
@Superman - you're Souf Efrican? :P
Very Live.
It goes out on a TV Channel (SKY) and Online at the same time
The only problem I have is that the progression is so steep, the other 2 even chances do not help you out at all. If you have 3 on low...1 on even....63 on red. What is the point of the lower amounts other than to make your results happen more quickly. The needs to be a less steep progression and maybe take some more time to finish a session.
Just a thought
KEEL
Quote from: keel44 on Aug 06, 12:49 PM 2010
The only problem I have is that the progression is so steep, the other 2 even chances do not help you out at all. If you have 3 on low...1 on even....63 on red. What is the point of the lower amounts other than to make your results happen more quickly. The needs to be a less steep progression and maybe take some more time to finish a session.
Just a thought
KEEL
Hi, thanx for ure question
The point of the other bets is just that, if they were not there you wudnt have any bets running ?
The further up the Progression you go the more you win, but also have potetial to lose more too
KEEL, do you have another Staking Plan in mind ?
Thanx for ure input :)
Quote from: Twisteruk on Aug 06, 01:01 PM 2010
Hi, thanx for ure question
The point of the other bets is just that, if they were not there you wouldn't have any bets running ?
The further up the Progression you go the more you win, but also have potetial to lose more too
KEEL, do you have another Staking Plan in mind ?
Thanx for ure input :)
Twisteruk,
Just some observations. Any bet selection that wins with a martingale, will win with any other mechanical bet selection. It may take a lot longer to overcome the small losses along the way, but in the end you should be at about the same place as far as amounts won.
The fastest way to win is the martingale because you make up for a lot of losses with 1 win. The problem is that a loss wipes out a lot of wins. The Fibonacci is similar, but a little less volatile. The Alembert is much less volatile, but feels like more of a grind to get to the same place. Ditto the 2up/2down, bread winner, etc...
Once again if your bet selection is a winner they will all win in the long run. If it isn't, then without luck they will all eventually lose. Right now is seems that by betting a martingale, you have a winning method of play. Only time will tell.
Lanky's 6 point divisor gives us the most control over the size of our bets as we get to a win. It does take some calculations along with some decisions as to when to incorporate the brake, and may be too complicated to do on three different bets in a busy situation and so may not be practical.
Testing different betting methods on the same numbers is a pretty good way to determine which method meets your personal temperament.
I, also, like the limited martingale because I like winning small wins on a regular basis. I hate the occasional loss which takes me to a win point hours or even days worth of play ago.
Just my take on it.
George
Yes, I agree 100%
Also, yup it is luck that I havent lost as there is no 100% fool proof way to win with Roulette....as yet ive found anyway !
Do you have a suggestion for a staking plan ?
Ive found you need 8 levels, but 9 would be nice just incase !
Cheers for ure input :)
;D
Its fantastic
Mvh PelleG
O.K. I just tried this out with RNG. I won 22 units in about half an hour. (maybe 65-70 spins)
This is how I played:
My bet selection is exactly the same twisteruk. (alternating even chances)
After a loss, I raise the stakes +2 (for that particular even chance)
After a win, I reset back to 1 (for that particular even chance)
* If I win when betting 10 or more, I reset that particular even chance back to 2. If that even chance goes to 10 or more again and wins, I reset back to 3 .......... and so on.
* Reset everything back to 1 when balance reaches even or new high point.
This is MUCH more of a grind, but the bankroll is MUCH more safe. You could even play with higher units like $5 chips.
Give yourself a loss target and keep truckin' along. I think 100 unit bankroll is safe.
KEEL
Thanx KEEL for your reply :)
Cheers !
Had a couple of PM's about the System, but sorry they got deleted somehow before I replied.
Yes I continue to play
The Table I play at has increased its Max bet to Ã,£1000
On another Forum I've wrote that you can use a level 9 if you need too.
I still continue to be lucky. I've not gone bust on a level 8 yet. But I accept it can and will happen at some point.
I usually win btwn Ã,£75-Ã,£95 per hour per table
On REAL WHEELS not RNG
hi twisteruk
any news regarding your system since your last post. have you won or busted?
i have some study with your system. probably we can use virtual bet for the first two steps to save our bankroll.
thanks
catalyst
You can mess with RNGs for fun but never mess with RNGs with real money because your name would change to MONKEY!
This system could work but why don't replace the Marty with Fibonacci? 1-1-2-3-5-8-13-21-36-55. It is less painful. Don't wait for 2 wins to go to minimum. Go after every win to minimum.
Or use Win +1 unit, 2Losses -1unit.
Cheers Hermes
Martingale is the most unwise progression to be used. Roulette is a game of negative expactancy, if you think your method as holy grail and used martingale with positive expectations, you are bound to lose whatever you earned till now.
Quote from: catalyst on Oct 23, 07:21 PM 2010
Hi twisteruk
any news regarding your system since your last post. have you won or busted?
i have some study with your system. probably we can use virtual bet for the first two steps to save our bankroll.
thanks
catalyst
I still play it from time to time, last week I won Ã,£300 playing this System :thumbsup:
However I see the game in a totally different way now to when I posted this System, thanx to Victor :)
Quote from: Hermes on Oct 23, 10:25 PM 2010
You can mess with RNGs for fun but never mess with RNGs with real money because your name would change to MONKEY!
This system could work but why don't replace the Marty with Fibonacci? 1-1-2-3-5-8-13-21-36-55. It is less painful. Don't wait for 2 wins to go to minimum. Go after every win to minimum.
Or use Win +1 unit, 2Losses -1unit.
Cheers Hermes
Very wise words from Hermes, heed them well :thumbsup: