Disclamer.
I don't use roulette systems.
I don't take any responsibility towards any ones action after reading this topic.
Why i write this!
I have a curios mind and enjoy to experiment.
So this is my complete topic towards the creation of different playing models.
Situational & Strategy play ...
I will write about using situational awareness, cycles, repeats and no repeats using different states of the distribution - balance / imbalance.
Observe results using LW-Registry and apply skips.
EGO
Quote from: ego on Sep 14, 02:16 PM 2011
Disclamer.
I don't use roulette systems.
I don't take any responsibility towards any ones action after reading this topic.
Why i write this!
I have a curios mind and enjoy to experiment.
So this is my complete topic towards the creation of different playing models.
Situational & Strategy play ...
I will write about using situational awareness, cycles, repeats and no repeats using different states of the distribution - balance / imbalance.
Observe results using LW-Registry and apply skips.
EGO
As always, good and interesting. Shoot.
Regards
Drazen
I state that i own copyright towards the following topic 2011-09-17.
Even Money bets.
As we all know so is nothing "due to happen" even if we have the probability to fail 1 in 16.
It still does not change that the even money bets is 50/50.
The distribution with LW-Registry.
Here is a short sample of 300 trails where you can see there is at most two loses in a row and all the others chop nice and steady - that is the optimal winning distribution using even money bets that we as gamblers would like to achieve using a good bet selection.
WWWLWWLLWLWWWLLWLWLWWLLL
WLLL
WWWWLWWWLWLLWWWWWLWLLWLLWWLWWWWWLWWWWWLLL
LWLWWWWLWWWLWWWLWWLLWLWLWLWWWWWWLLWWWW
Restrictive or aggressive progression.
My experience due to past simulations is that restrictive progressions last longer.
I pass one milion using a humble Fibonacci.
The test end up with a positive net gain - even if the progression fail once.
Other solution that i can think of - but have not test is Oscar Grind.
I will make some shorter manual testing to illustrate it with this bet selection.
The Bet Selection & Triggers.
1). First you track the previous four outcomes (the bet selection) and play the future four outcomes - but there is only three bets made.
As the first outcome of the future four outcomes is a trigger - if that colour is the same as the first colour of your previous four (the bet selection) you will play opposite towards does outcomes of the previous four.
If the colour is the opposite towards the first outcome of your previous four you will play same.
2). Second you only play after one cycle fail and only attack after you have one fictive win.
Every sequence will end with three loses.
EGO
Quote from: ego on Sep 17, 11:40 AM 2011
WWWLWWLLWLWWWLLWLWLWWLLL
WLLL
WWWWLWWWLWLLWWWWWLWLLWLLWWLWWWWWLWWWWWLLL
LWLWWWWLWWWLWWWLWWLLWLWLWLWWWWWWLLWWWW
Thanks Ego. Well isnt this winning distribution from dreams? Lately searching for as much as possible balanced EC bet/strategy to apply with some "weapon". This looks astonishing. Anyway as time goes by i am sure i could/will find what am i looking for excatly amoung your work...
Regards
Drazen
Quote from: drazen_cro on Sep 17, 01:59 PM 2011
Thanks Ego. Well isn't this winning distribution from dreams? Lately searching for as much as possible balanced EC bet/strategy to apply with some "weapon". This looks astonishing. Anyway as time goes by i am sure i could/will find what am i looking for exactly among your work...
Regards
Drazen
Hello it is true and yes that is what many look for using even money bets - but no matter how good so does it exist fluctuation - money management is very important.
Here follows some hints except good hit ratio.
If some one play 0.01 Euro and play for peanuts and hit fluctuation from hell.
Then you move on to next casino and play 0.10 Euro and when balance at 0 you move back towards 0.01 or if you win the lottery twice in one life time and loss again you would move to next at 1.00 Euro.
It would be very hard to lose it all with out a good ROR and recoup.
Here you have 300 trials from today from random.org.
WLLL
LLL
WLLWLWWWWWWLLWLLWLLL
WLWWLLWLWWWLWLWLWWLWLWLLWLLWLLL
LWWWWLWLLWWLWLLL
WWWLLL
WLLL
WLWWLLWWLLL
LWWLWWWWWWLWWLWLLW
Greed is the biggest enemy for most gamblers.
Mmmm this thing failed only once with Fibbo on million spins? But eneded in overall plus again.. I hear ringing some bells... I don't have problem with greed. Greed has with me, because i don't want to meet it. Especialy in roulette.
Mental discipline and its improving is very important in this game. If you could having mental condition like Spartan soldiers, with little thinking and sweating you could wear laurels when coming at the table... We can learn a lot from Spartan soldiers... some already did.
Regards
Drazen
Quote from: drazen_cro on Sep 17, 02:50 PM 2011
Mmmm this thing failed only once with Fibbo on million spins? But eneded in overall plus again.. I hear ringing some bells... I don't have problem with greed. Greed has with me, because i don't want to meet it. Especialy in roulette.
Mental condition and its improving is very important in this game. If you could having mental condition like Spartan soldiers, with little thinking and sweating you could wear laurels when coming at the table... We can learn a lot from Spartans... some already did.
Regards
Drazen
Hello again ...
It was not this method and i just made a comparison towards that one i did in the past.
As if i would have run it with 0.01 and move towards 10x to 0.10 it would have been awesome to see the results.
Cheers
Quote from: ego on Sep 17, 03:03 PM 2011
Hello again ...
It was not this method and i just made a comparison towards that one i did in the past.
As if i would have run it with 0.01 and move towards 10x to 0.10 it would have been awesome to see the results.
Cheers
I understood. Lot of food for thought.
Regards
Drazen
Quote from: drazen_cro on Sep 17, 03:16 PM 2011
I understood. Lot of food for thought.
Regards
Drazen
1 million spins and were still serching ???
Quote from: warrior on Sep 18, 12:15 PM 2011
1 million spins and were still serching ???
I dont get you on this one?
Regards
Drazen
Quote from: drazen_cro on Sep 18, 01:07 PM 2011
I don't get you on this one?
Regards
Drazen
What i mean is this lost once in a million on a fibo, thats crazy we should stop looking and play with this one .
Quote from: warrior on Sep 18, 01:14 PM 2011
What i mean is this lost once in a million on a fibo, that's crazy we should stop looking and play with this one .
I agree :P
Regards
Drazen
Now i am going to be honest and say one thing based upon my experience and with one educated guess with out testing it ...
I assume that if you would play previos three and play oppisite after fictive win - then this is the result you would gain in the long run.
For that you would need a 15 step fibo progression - witch i don't have - but i know Frank Barstow create one.
This one use a bet selection and fibo with 12 step ...
(link:://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5940/experimentcz8.jpg)
Quote from: ego on Sep 19, 03:55 PM 2011
Now i am going to be honest and say one thing based upon my experience and with one educated guess with out testing it ...
I assume that if you would play previos three and play oppisite after fictive win - then this is the result you would gain in the long run.
For that you would need a 15 step fibo progression - witch i don't have - but i know Frank Barstow create one.
This one use a bet selection and fibo with 12 step ...
(link:://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5940/experimentcz8.jpg)
Nice one Ego (LS) the only problem seems to be profit/balance after so many spins...
or if you make more(1 000 000) tests the balance can be much higher or not ?
thanks
Well i think the strike ratio using previos four with this topic is about - have a very high hit ratio and much higher then the method i use with the chart ...
So i can only assume the net gain would be much higher using previos four with 15 step fibo.
Quote :
***
The Bet Selection & Triggers.
1). First you track the previous four outcomes (the bet selection) and play the future four outcomes - but there is only three bets made.
As the first outcome of the future four outcomes is a trigger - if that colour is the same as the first colour of your previous four (the bet selection) you will play opposite towards does outcomes of the previous four.
If the colour is the opposite towards the first outcome of your previous four you will play same.
2). Second you only play after one cycle fail and only attack after you have one fictive win.
Every sequence will end with three loses. ***
When you the time please give us some examples to all this from above.
1). If the previous is xxxx and the trigger is x then bet xxx.
2). one failed cycle is 3 Ls ? and give us example of fictive win
thanks
I show you the files from the LW i post on this topic - hope it get a littel more clear.
Did find one loss of six in a row once and nothing is due to happen.
There is variation to this - one i like to have fun with is just play oppisite of previos three ...
Some one could attack once or let it ride using a fibo ...
One could chart the outcomes using lines with previos 3 or 4 ...
LWLWLWLWWWW LLL WWWLWWLW
1 2 2
1 1 2 LW
1 2 2 LW
1 2 1 LLW
1 1 2 LLW
1 2 1 LW
1 2 1 LLL
2 2 1 W
2 1 2 LW
1 2 1 W
1 2 1 LLL
2 2 2 W
2 1 2 LW
1 1 2 W
1 2 1 LW
2 1 1 W
1 1 2 W
2 1 1 W
1 1 2 W
1 2 2 LW
1 2 2 LLL
1 2 1 LLW
1 1 2 LW
1 1 2 LLL
2 2 1 W
2 1 2 LW
2 1 1 LLW
1 2 1 W
2 2 1 W
1 2 1 W
2 1 1 W
1 1 2 W
2 1 2 W
1 1 2 W
2 2 1 W
2 2 2 LLW
2 1 1 LW
1 1 2 W
2 2 2 W
2 2 1 LLW
1 1 1 W
2 2 2 W
2 1 2 LW
2 1 1 LLW
1 1 2 W
1 2 2 LW
1 1 1 LW
1 1 1 LLL
2 1 2 W
1 1 2 W
1 1 1 LLW
1 2 1 LW
2 2 1 W
1 1 2 W
1 1 1 LLW
1 1 2 LLW
2 1 2 W
1 2 1 W
2 2 1 W
2 2 1 LLL
2 2 1 LLL
1 2 1 W
2 1 1 W
2 1 2 LLW
2 1 2 LLL
1 1 1 W
2 1 1 W
2 1 1 LLL
1 2 2 W
1 2 2 LLL
1 2 1 LLW
2 2 1 W
1 1 2 W
1 1 2 LLL
2 1 1 W
1 2 1 W
1 2 1 LLL
2 1 2 W
1 1 2 W
2 1 2 W
2 1 2 LLL
1 1 1 W
1 2 2 LW
2 2 2 W
2 2 2 LLL
2 2 2 LLL
1 1 1 W
2 2 1 W
1 1 1 W
1 2 1 LW
1 1 1 LW
1 2 1 LW
1 1 1 LW
1 1 1 LLL
1 2 2 LW
1 1 2 LW
2 1 2 W
1 1 2 W
2 2 2 W
1 2 2 W
The file above is from today 2011-09-20 and this file below 2011-09-19 from random.org
Using the way of attacking once ...
W LLL WLWWLWLLWLLWW
2 1 1
2 2 2
1 1 2
2 1 1
1 2 2
1 2 2 LLL
1 1 1 LW
2 2 2 W
2 2 2 LLL
2 2 1 LLW
2 2 1 LLL
2 1 1 LW
1 1 1 W
1 1 1 LLL
2 2 1 W
2 1 2 LW
1 1 2
1 2 2
1 1 2
1 1 2 LLL
1 2 2 LW
2 1 2 W
1 2 2
2 1 1
1 2 2
2 2 1
1 2 1
2 2 2
2 1 1
1 1 1
1 2 1
1 1 2
2 1 2
2 2 2
1 1 1
1 2 1
1 2 2
1 2 2 LLL
1 2 1 LLW
1 1 2 LW
2 2 1
2 1 1
1 1 1
1 2 1
2 2 2
2 1 2
1 1 2
2 2 2
1 1 2
2 1 2
2 2 1
2 2 2
2 1 1
2 2 2
2 2 1
2 1 1
1 1 1
2 2 2
2 2 1
2 1 1
2 1 1 LLL
1 2 1 W
1 2 2 LLW
2 2 1
1 2 2
2 1 2
2 2 1
1 2 2
1 2 1
2 1 1
1 2 1
2 1 2
2 2 1
2 1 1
1 1 1
2 2 2
1 2 2
2 2 1
2 1 2
2 2 1
1 1 2
1 1 2 LLL
1 2 1 LW
1 2 2 LLW
1 2 1
1 2 2
1 1 2
2 1 1
1 1 2
2 1 2
2 2 2
2 2 2 LLL
2 1 2 LW
1 2 1 W
1 1 2
2 2 2
2 1 1
2 2 1
2 2 2
2 1 1
With fibo it would look like this ...
Stage 1. 111 or 112
Stage 2. 223 or 345
Stage 3. 358 or 8 13 21
Stage 4. 13.21.34 or 34 55 89
Stage 5. 55.89. and maximum
Grind & Skip's
One that is not action player and just want to relax for hours and go home with 2 to 3 units in wallet could do the follwing.
LWLWLWLWWWW LLL WWWLWWLW
W LLL WLWWLWLLWLLWW
Play twice after one loss.
WWWWW LL WW
LL WLWLW
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The Window Icon above the message box, or here's the PHP code:-
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cheers.
Nice work BTW. :thumbsup:
Quote from: ego on Sep 19, 05:58 PM 2011
I show you the files from the LW i post on this topic - hope it get a littel more clear.
Did find one loss of six in a row once and nothing is due to happen.
Ok thanks.
Can you run a 1 000 000 spins test with that 4 even money bet selection and the 14 fibo steps ( 1,1,1,2,2,3,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89) ?
thanks
Hello.
I don't play roulette systems - but i am a bonus hunter and play with free money with out deposit my own money - then i wagering them x amount and take the free money with winnings from the casino.
This is why i still enjoy to write about things like this topic.
It will fail or tank - so there is no need to code it or run simulation.
Cheers
Quote from: ego on Sep 20, 11:38 PM 2011
Hello.
I don't play roulette systems - but i am a bonus hunter and play with free money with out deposit my own money - then i wagering them x amount and take the free money with winnings from the casino.
This is why i still enjoy to write about things like this topic.
It will fail or tank - so there is no need to code it or run simulation.
Cheers
You right, finally will tank in the long run like any system, method etc...
I was just curious to see if hold up after 1 000 000 (or more ) spins.
I belive if one system it s still up after so many spins , we have more
chances to win with that system than with other ordinary system .
thanks
Quote from: Kattila on Sep 21, 05:06 AM 2011
You right, finally will tank in the long run like any system, method etc...
I was just curious to see if hold up after 1 000 000 (or more ) spins.
I belive if one system it s still up after so many spins , we have more
chances to win with that system than with other ordinary system .
thanks
Sure maybe it end up with a positive gain after 1 000 000 even if the progression might fail once - i done that and it is possible ...