works pretty well if you have a decent bet selection on E/C's
best o luck
I don't fully grasp it - could you give one example - thanks ...
Thanks Tomla,
Looks very very good! :thumbsup:
DL
100 steps if your down say 12 units look left to -12 so the bet is 4 if win you have 8 total units on the table add 4 bet the whole thing if win your 4 units up......if lose your - 8 on that ,, add to 12 now -20 so you look there and go again with a 6 unit first bet......
just a modified parlay ----to keep first bet lower ,, wlwlwlwlwl hurts it
For 100 steps u need 2600 units? Or I am wrong?
Thanks
DL
Quote from: Optimist on Oct 05, 10:27 AM 2011
For 100 steps u need 2600 units? Or I am wrong?
Thanks
DL
Sorry - got it wrong. You never would need 100 steps.
I think this would work with the wrangler march .
i think its about a 100 units down on total loss....Im sure GLC has seen this and analyzed it before he is "Da Mogul of Money Management"
Quote from: Tomla021 on Oct 05, 12:23 PM 2011
i think its about a 100 units down on total loss....I'm sure GLC has seen this and analyzed it before he is "Da Mogul of Money Management"
Tom, I have been looking at your progression. It's very interesting. It takes more than 1 win to fully recover. I think that you should move 1 step down the progression on a loss and shoot for two wins at each level working your way back up toward 1. Anytime you reach a new high bank, re-set back to the 1st 1.
If you get too far down, you can always go to a 3 step formation.
1 step is nothing more than +1-1 or D'Alembert.
2 step is your progression 1=2 then 2+1=3= 6 -2 = +4
3 step is 1=2; then 2+1=3=6; then 6+1=7=14 -3 = +11
That would be +11 with 3 in a row or -1 on a loss on the 1st bet, -2 on a loss on the 2nd bet or -3 on a loss on the 3rd bet. Any loss moves you to the next level.
In order to recover fully on 1 win using your method you need to use the following progression:
1-1-1-2-2-3-4-5-7-9-12-16 etc...
Warrior's right, 100 steps should never be necessary, but who knows.
Nice idea.
George
Ive been playing this for real (Ive altered it a bit),,, It's been great so far...If I get stuck further into it I go back on the list to win half of what ive lost to that point.....after a double win I will play for another double win to clear the other half out.......Keeps me from getting too deep
Tom,
i'm trying to get my head around how you play your progression. Can you show a quick example how you do it?!
vundarosa
i use a labby, modified marty or gr8player into it... but ok say im down $200 i will then go into it : I bet $40 (4 on the chart), If I win i leave the bet on the table and add $40 out of pocket, a double win gives me $240 so i cleared out and pocket $40.. if lose second bet I would be down $280 and my next bet would be $50...
If i had lost the original $40 I would be down $240 and my next bet would be $45
It takes a bit to bend your mind around it ---so feel free to ask
Quote from: Tomla021 on Oct 28, 02:08 PM 2011
i use a labby, modified marty or gr8player into it... but ok say I'm down $200 i will then go into it : I bet $40 (4 on the chart), If I win i leave the bet on the table and add $40 out of pocket, a double win gives me $240 so i cleared out and pocket $40.. if lose second bet I would be down $280 and my next bet would be $50...
If i had lost the original $40 I would be down $240 and my next bet would be $45
It takes a bit to bend your mind around it ---so feel free to ask
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got it! thx...i guess if one can find a bet selection where the longest losing streak without 2 consecutive wins is 15 spins :sad2: this one is a go-go.
vundarosa
oh this will go longer than that,,, i have beaten 18 terrible hands of baccarat with it easy,,,,,,,now my new thing is when I get deeper in the hole I back off egz: say im at 580 down, needing a $100 bet to clear (I am only using the bigger amounts because thats how i have my cheat sheets for casino set up) I will usually back off to a $55 dollar bet to clear $330 off. After clearing I decide to go for another repeat win for $300 or not (very player flexible)........The two bet selections I use seem to bounce back to some decent hits after a lull.---so far its been great and ive cleared my expected loss on a failure a few times so I feel pretty comfy even if I have to or decide to take a loss now Not the Holy Grail or anything but I like it for now
Quoteif one can find a bet selection where the longest losing streak without 2 consecutive wins is 15 spins
If you have that then a 4 slot labby is ideal, 0,0,0,1 see reveal for something I am running at the moment, it keeps the 1st zero @ 0 unless it wins 2 in a row then empties itself, I think people overlook the strength of a labby, imagine the data in reveal was played with a marty, highest bet would have been 256 units and made 1 unit profit, with the labby the highest bet was 19 and the win equated to 2 units.
Ignore all the 1st bits of data in the reveal, just look at the end after Labby to see how it build and reduces.
[reveal]1271 L Prog 2 Cash 104 Peak 106 Ticker 4 Seq 21 (123) FullSeq 4,10,85,4,20,123 Labby 0|1|1|1
1277 L Prog 1 Cash 103 Peak 106 Ticker 4 Seq 60 (90) FullSeq 3,11,55,3,18,90 Labby 0|1|1|2
1280 L Prog 2 Cash 101 Peak 106 Ticker 1 Seq 60 (97) FullSeq 3,14,58,3,19,97 Labby 0|2|2|2
1281 L Prog 2 Cash 99 Peak 106 Ticker 2 Seq 60 (102) FullSeq 4,15,59,4,20,102 Labby 0|2|3|3
1296 L Prog 3 Cash 96 Peak 106 Ticker 0 Seq 59 (83) FullSeq 3,26,40,3,11,83 Labby 0|3|4|4
1297 L Prog 4 Cash 92 Peak 106 Ticker 0 Seq 59 (88) FullSeq 4,27,41,4,12,88 Labby 0|5|5|5
1302 L Prog 5 Cash 87 Peak 106 Ticker 0 Seq 59 (99) FullSeq 3,32,46,3,15,99 Labby 0|6|7|7
1303 L Prog 7 Cash 80 Peak 106 Ticker 0 Seq 59 (104) FullSeq 4,33,47,4,16,104 Labby 0|9|9|9
1310 W Prog 9 Cash 89 Peak 106 Ticker 0 Seq 59 (119) FullSeq 3,40,54,3,19,119 Labby 9|9
1313 W Prog 19 Cash 108 Peak 106 Ticker 3 Seq 59 (126) FullSeq 3,43,57,3,20,126 Labby [/reveal]
Edit: I should have also said, after any win I add 1 unit to the next bet, that's how it gets 2 units profit per labby run.
ive also used the 00001 labby and liked it ,,,,,as you said labbys are great ,,,to me the progression or mm is almost more important than the bet selection (on even chances)
Quote from: Tomla021 on Oct 29, 07:57 AM 2011
I've also used the 00001 labby and liked it ,,,,,as you said labbys are great ,,,to me the progression or mm is almost more important than the bet selection (on even chances)
Every roulette player in the world ought to tattoo the last half of this statement on the back of their betting hand. :thumbsup:
Amen "Tucson Tiger"--!!!!!
Superman I also use 0001 labby I would love it if you could expand on your explanation on how you play it now?
thanks
Hi Tomla
Well, start with 0,0,0,1 use both ends for your bet, 0+1 if you win the first bet, just start over from scratch, if you lose the first bet replace the first righ hand 0 with the bet you placed, 0,0,1,1 next bet use both ends again 0+1
win remove both ends, 0,1
win remove both ends = rebuild as labby is finished
theres 2 ways to handle a loss at this point
1,1 is best as 1 unit is no biggy, all depends on how soon you expect the next win, lets say the next 4 bets lost, you can either
2,2
4,4
8,8
16,16
or rebuild after a few losses and hope for a double win
2,2
4,4
rebuild
0,2,3,3
then hope for a double win, also you don't need to keep the first zero you could just run with
2,2,2,2
Its really up to you, we did extensive, months of testing, on all different formations and build methods of the labby for EC bets, look for Fripper threads, theres plenty to read there, as with all progression methods it depends on how often your wins come and how many you get in a row, if 3 wins in a row for your bet selection is quite often then you can run a 6 slot labby
0,0,0,0,0,1
as your first WWW will empty it and if you only had 10 losses before then (uncalculated) you may have something that looks like this
0,3,3,3,3,4
your 3 winning bets would be 4 units then 6 units then 6 units, anything you lose just gets divided up over the amount of slots you have in the labby, if you have a really bad losing run then just chuck more naughts at it, but remember that would mean you need more wins to empty it, lets say you had a terrible streak and wanted to keep bets low, you are down 50 units
0,8,8,8,8,8,9,9
you win the next 2 bets, instead of hoping for more wins, add up the outstanding amount and go back to a 4 or 6 slot labby, the options are endless, rebuild, extend to get you through the bad runs, just keep in mind extended losses or LLLWLLLLLLLWLLLLLLLLWLLWLLLLW can make it grow too much and it will be a struggle to empty it.
HTH
interested in add a unit to labby after a win?
Then add it, if you lose just add it back in, simple as that then once you finish the labby you will be +2, or start with
0,0,1,1
ok thanks superman---good luck to you and Lois Lane!