This may be coming in the back door for a bet selection. In other words there may be an easier way to decide what to bet, but I like this way.
We are either going to bet for a change or a repeat of the last.
We will determine whether we bet change or repeat based on the pattern the last 4 spins make.
The following are the 8 patterns for either color.
RRRR bet for Repeat. In other words bet for Red
RRRB bet for Repeat. In other words bet for Black
RRBR bet for Change. In other words bet for Black
RBRR bet for Change.
RRBB bet for Repeat.
RBRB bet for Change.
RBBB bet for Repeat.
RBBR bet for Change.
Those are all the possibilities. You can ignore zeros as far as the pattern goes. Or you can wait 4 spins until a new pattern develops after a zero hits. I don't think it makes any difference. So choose your own poison.
Only bet 1 time for each pattern. In other words each spin causes you to check the pattern the last 4 spins makes and bet accordingly.
In a million spin test, this method will lose, I think.
In a 100 spins session, it wins uncannily.
Only play it on single zero wheels with la partage or better yet No Zero roulette.
I have tested it on baccarat and it does great. No zero to worry about.
Choose your own bet method.
GLC
if it works on baccarat i will give it a test drive--thanks
dear George
are you suggesting flatbetting on this bet selection?
thanks
catalyst
Using Baccarat terminology (chop vs streak):
in last 4 spins
chop < 2: repeat
chop=>2: change.
Jeromin
Quote from: catalyst on Oct 08, 03:07 AM 2011
dear George
are you suggesting flatbetting on this bet selection?
thanks
catalyst
Catalyst,
I have tested this some with flat betting and it has always been at +3 at least. Sometimes it's a real battle. I don't think in the long run it will win flat betting.
I suggest gr8player's bet progression or the "bread winner" progression. They 7 or more steps at each level, they are about as close to a flat bet as we can get and still have to recovery ability to pull out of a hole when we drop in one.
Quote from: Jeromin on Oct 08, 04:43 AM 2011
Using Baccarat terminology (chop vs streak):
in last 4 spins
chop < 2: repeat
chop=>2: change.
Jeromin
Thanks Jeromin. That looks right.
tested it w gr8 prog today for 20 shoes in baccarat worked decently
Quote from: Tomla021 on Oct 08, 09:06 PM 2011
tested it w gr8 prog today for 20 shoes in baccarat worked decently
I've been testing it a little and it seems to be solid in the sense that so far I haven't had any really bad losing streaks. It doesn't tend to win a lot quickly, but it does tend to have little clusters of wins fairly close together.
I've been testing it with a modification of your even chance "2 step progression". I have change it to a 3 step parlay but I don't add any more units after the 1st bet. And I have used a fibo type progression.
If lose Bet Amt If win 3 in a row
-1 1 +7
-2 1 +6
-3 1 +5
-4 1 +4
-5 1 +3
-6 1 +2
-7 1 +1
-8 1 0
-10 2 +6
-12 2 +4
-14 2 +2
-16 2 0
-19 3 +5
-22 3 +2
-25 3 -1
-28 3 -4
-33 5 +7
-38 5 +2
-43 5 -3
-48 5 -8
-56 8 +8
-64 8 0
-72 8 -8
-80 8 -16
-93 13 +11
-106 13 -2
-119 13 -15
-132 13 -28
-153 21 +12
-174 21 -9
-195 21 -30
-216 21 -51
-250 34 +22
-284 34 -12
-318 34 -46
-352 34 -80
-407 55 +33
-462 55 -22
-517 55 -77
-572 55 -132
A 3 in a row win at some levels gives you a full recovery but after reaching the 5's you will usually need multiple wins to recover. You have to use your own judgement to decide how far back you want to go.
I recommend going back at least 15 steps.
Try it and see if you think it can stay ahead of losses.
I recommend that you play for all 3 wins in a row in the beginning of the line even if you are ahead before the 3rd parlay. This helps rack up more units in a shorter amount of time.
For example: If you are betting the very 1st 1 unit bet, if you win you are up by 1 unit and usually I say to keep repeating that 1 unit bet until you lose but if you play for the 3 in a row wins, you will win 7 units instead of 1 unit. That means that if you have won 7 times in a row betting 1 unit each time you would be up 7 units. But if you win 7 times in a row betting the 3 step parlay, you would be up 15 units.
1=2; 2=4; 4=8-1=7 that's the 1st 3 wins
1=2; 2=4; 4=8-1=7 that's the 2nd 3 wins
1=2 -1= 1 that's the 7th win.
7+7+1 = +15
GLC
a few shoes I tried with a similar bet:
look at the last 3 results, if two chops bet chop, otherwise streak.
RBR: bet B
BRB: bet R
any other case, follow last. As with the above bet selection, it's most times a a grid, but has the virtue of not deviating much from the mean.
here are some results from recent sessions at Wiesbaden. The numbers are the distances between double wins.
E.g.:
WWWLWLLWLWLLLWW, that would be a 7: 7 losses between WW and WW.
(01.10.11- T3)
2,1,0,7,2,2,8,6,8,6,3,0,2,14,2,4,2,3,4,3,1,1,0,5,0,1,6,9,5,0,2,0,4,6,3
(01.10.11- T4)
1,1,6,0,0,0,0,0,2,1,3,1,5,0,2,0,6,2,1,1,3,4,5,3,1,1,3,0,1,0,0,1,6,0,1,0,2,0,3,1,0,3,0,5,6,0,0,21,1,1,10,6,1,1
Note: the 21 is not a typo.
(02.10.11- T2)
3,3,0,0,1,7,1,6,2,0,1,2,8,2,3,0,0,7,2,0
Once I had an idea of what a 2 step let it ride would look like ( no point doing comprehensive tests by hand ), I tested the 1-ville progression: every 10 results, up one for another 10 until recovering. It is definitely a grind after losses reach 30+, which can happen very fast. At one point I got to level 9 (-54), but the trend changed and was on a new maximum of +18 a mere( :o ) 40 spins later.
Jeromin
10 steps might be a bit short, actually. 15 spins before checking might be better.The above bet selection behaves, so far, in one of three ways: 1/5 super easy ( only danger being greedy ); 3/5 a grind, but you don't go much beyond -10, mitght even work flat if you get out after +4/+5; 1/5 a session from hell. Even these SFH tend to reverse after around -50. Of course all this is easier said than done, after struggling for hours and going from -30 to -50 in your 3rd hour, then be expected to risk 8 of 9 units per spin. That's why I think going up after 15 spins will get you less deep.
Would be great to test it thoroughly.
Jeromin
Jeromin,
Thanks for the input my friend. I agree with everything you've said. The "21" is no surprise. We can never safeguard completely against losing a progression. My mentality when playing a system like this one is to hope to keep 1 unit in 10 that is won between progression losses. That way when the hammer hits, it doesn't hurt so much. Two hits close together can dampen you spirits though.
I like the extended gr8player type bet. If you go in with enough units to lose my progression, 572, and you play a level for 15 bets before increasing bet size if negative, you might never lose. I'm just not sure if this trot works any better than a number of other bet selection methods in the long run.
I was hoping it could keep from long stretches without a double or triple win. Guess not.
I have been toying with the idea of a pluscoup type progression playing for 2 in a row or 3 in a row. Just continue to bet 1 unit until you win a 2 or 3 in a row (your choice) and if still down, increase to 2 units. Increase by 1 unit after each win until you reach a new high.
It may just extend the inevitable. A stop loss is necessary for sure.
GLC
Quote from: GLC on Oct 09, 11:20 AM 2011
The "21" is no surprise. We can never safeguard completely against losing a progression.
I have seen a 27 somewhere else in the other sessions from this month I was looking at.
Jeromin
i had a 22 today , lots of wlwl etc
another interesting thing just to provoke dialogue...in my testing, ive never gone past 7 losses till a win?
Quote from: Tomla021 on Oct 10, 10:05 AM 2011
another interesting thing just to provoke dialogue...in my testing, I've never gone past 7 losses till a win?
If we could count on that, 1-2-4-8-16-32-64 would make us millionaires. I'll chauffeur!
GLC
im thinking more like this: on gr8 --after 4 LLLL play a 4 step marty--at a 2 unit start....so LLLL =-4 , you theoreticly pick up 2 units===- =-2 loss instead of possible 7 unit loss and go back into your gr 8 progression (7 step)...........
I was thinking the same thing yesterday and checked some losses in the mentioned 3 Wiesbaden sessions. Again, I used my 3 spins bet selection, not the one presented by GLC. I'm used to it and can check results by hand quite quickly. Not sure how much this bet selection will differ by.
number of losses
Sesion 1 Session 2 Sesion 3
1: 34 30 29
2: 10 13 13
3: 11 6 8
4: 3 2 1
5: 2 1 2
6: 2 4 2
>6*: 1 2 1
* 8,7,8 and 11
Jeromin
im using the same 3 as you J ,, i think it ends up the same as Glc 4 .....not sure what your results mean?
ahhh relooked , now i get it thanks
tom
Number of losses meant number of consecutive losses. These are Wiesbaden sesions, over 300 spins some of them. Waiting for a LLLL would be impractical. Betting only on L would incur a maximum of 6 losses ( 2,3,3,2,6,3; session 3); betting on L, LL, LLL with a 1 2 4, with a 2 4 8 recovery ( 3 steps ) would lose twice, twice and once.
Jeromin
Ok, here's how the losses ( LLL and up ) come up in 6 recent Weisbaden sessions.
2/X, Table 4
3 3 3 3 3 6 3 3 6 8 5 3 4 3 3 3 4 4 5
3/X Table 3
6 3 3 6 3 6 8 3 4 7 3 6 3 5 3 3
1/X Table 4
3 3 5 6 3 3 3 3 3 3 6 3 11 5 4
2/X Table 3
3 3 3 3 4 5 4 4 3 3 4 5 3 4 3
3/X Table 3
3 3 5 6 3 4 4 3 7 5 4 3 4 3 3 6 3 7 8
3/X Table 1
4 3 3 3 4 4 8 3 3 3 5 6 4 4 3 4
The patterns are short and have potential to be exploited with progression, but it must be noted that these are 300 plus spin sessions, so the average betting oportunity is 1 or 2 per hour. Obviously you get many more opportunities by including LL, provided the progression can manage it.
Jeromin
Quote from: Jeromin on Oct 09, 07:50 AM 2011
10 steps might be a bit short, actually. 15 spins before checking might be better [...]
That's why I think going up after 15 spins will get you less deep.
Would be great to test it thoroughly.
Jeromin
Well, the minute you get optimistic the wheel dashes your dreams.
Table 4, 03/X, Wiesbaden
15 spins before going up. went al the way to step eleven, lost 258 units.Best recovery was from -120 to -93 at some stage, betting 9 units per spin.
Playing the LLL game as above, I get:
6 3 3 6 3 6 9 3 4 7 3 7.
So a tough session either way, but more manageable with a trigger strategy.
Betting let it ride ( WW to WW ) I get:
7 5 5 3 8 2 5 7 1 10 5 1 0 11 1 1 2 0 5 14 1 12 7 2 4.
All these variations need RX testing, only way to know.
Jeromin
i believe your right , but it is amazingly pretty solid even flat betting
ive been playing this bet with a regular labby and it seems ok w drawdowns
Quote from: Tomla021 on Oct 15, 02:31 PM 2011
I've been playing this bet with a regular labby and it seems ok w drawdowns
Tom, Here's an idea that I had for this system and it's been working pretty darn good.
We will pick a number that's multiplied by 3. I've been testing with 9.
What that means is that we are trying to win a 2 step parlay. That means bet 1 and if it wins, we bet 2. If that wins we are up 4-1=3. Thus 3 X 3 = 9.
We start betting 1 using the last 4 results to determine our bet selection. We continue to bet 1 unitl we win, then we let it ride. If the let it ride bet wins, we drop back to 1. If we find ourselves at 0 after winning a 2 unit bet, we drop to 1 on the next bet. If we find ourselves at 0 after winning a 1 unit bet, we bet the 2 units before dropping back to 1.
If we find ourselves at -9 or higher, we increase to starting our parlay with 2 units. That means that 2=4 and 4=8 and 8-2 = +6 units on a double parlay win.
Since we're using 3 as our multiplier, when we get to 6 X 3 = -18 +-9 = -27 we move to starting our parlay bet with 3 units. Thus 3= 6; 6=12-3=+9 on a win.
Stay at a level until you recover all previous losses.
If you want more of a grinder, you can do the progression +1-1 style meaning that if you win enough at a level, you can drop back just 1 level and play there until you win at that level etc... The problem with this method is that even though it keeps the bet lower, you can get stuck in the hole for a long time trying to claw your way out.
Or, for more safety, you can play it with 3 step parlay instead of a 2 step. A 3 step parlay nets us 7 units for each triple win. So 1=2=4=8-1=7 or 3=6=12=24-3=21 etc... You stay at each level longer, but you have to win 3 times in a row to make any money.
The following is for a 2 step parlay.
Base bet Move to next level
if this much down
1 -9
2 -18+-9=-27
3 -27+-27=-54
4 -54+-36=-90
5 -90+-45=-135
etc.....
P.S. You can play this at the 1st level only. Or at levels 1 & 2 only. Or at levels 1,2 & 3 only. You decide.
Try it and see what you think.
GLC
:-[ I just took it for another test drive and it ran off the cliff. When it starts heading south, it can keep going with a vengeance.
Can't recommend the bet progression unless I was just having a really horrible series. :-[
its very consistant as far as getting a back to back win---3 in a row can be a struggle