Ok, in a never ending search for a good system... I figured this thing out...
This is flat betting for 35 spins. If we hit a number in this spins, we are guaranteed a winning of at least 1 unit (it can be more). Our focus is the last spun number (it could be any other number, but I have chosen to follow the last). In all the bets always ensure the last spun number is present in your choice (or whichever number you decided to follow)
So here are the betting steps:
1 unit in the High/Low where the number is (18 numbers covered)
1 unit in the Dozen where the number is (12 numbers covered)
1 unit in a double street where the number is (6 numbers covered)
1 unit in a double street where the number is (6 numbers covered)
1 unit in a double street where the number is (6 numbers covered)
1 unit in the street where the number is (3 numbers covered)
1 unit in the street where the number is (3 numbers covered)
1 unit in the street where the number is (3 numbers covered)
1 unit in the street where the number is (3 numbers covered)
1 unit in the street where the number is (3 numbers covered)
1 unit in the street where the number is (3 numbers covered)
1 unit in a split where the number is (2 numbers covered)
1 unit in a split where the number is (2 numbers covered)
1 unit in a split where the number is (2 numbers covered)
1 unit in a split where the number is (2 numbers covered)
1 unit in a split where the number is (2 numbers covered)
1 unit in a split where the number is (2 numbers covered)
bet more 18 times 1 unit in the chosen number
If no hit, consider it a lost (35 units lost)
I have been trying this at BV no zero in fun mode, I'm up to 200 units, only lost once the 35 units full steps... I know it's probably luck... There is, by the way, a lot of luck in this system. Some of the choices you made when betting (double streets and splits) are chosen at random (just ensure the chosen number is present).
If someone wants to test it in RX with some real spins, please go ahead :) (randomize choices in double streets/splits if you do it).
Cheers
nice Vladir,
definitely I will test it.
Regards
DL
Vladir, You have just re-invented the Umbrella System.
If I remember correctly, Victor introduced this one to us a few years ago. Also, a member named GingerMolly (I thing the name is close) did some mathematical work on the progression that was very interesting. I can't locate in the history of other forums. Maybe Victor can help us out.
If my memory serves me correct, some one had a method of playing it that was giving excellent results. Like many others, it got lost in the forward momentum.
George
Well.... I didn't meant to copy anyone, sorry if someone else has had this idea - something that is very probable. Where can I read about the "umbrella system" ? I don't find anything here in the forum.... Also searched google about it with no success...
Hi vladir
This way of play is also called Parachutes and there are lots of diffrent kinds.
They can also be used in a team in different ways.
The parachute you mentioned is called the old parachute family.
Read under Swarm section more about it on Vls forum.
Regards
Max
Ah, thanks. Searching for parachute I found something: here
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=5994.0 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=5994.0)
There is one sligth thing I'm sugesting that could work in our favor, it's follow the last number...
Google the words Manrique Parcaidas maybe you can get more information. (link:://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=es&u=link:://:.grupojoker.com/manrique-paracaidas-invertido-t720.html%3Fsid%3D3c3f86f4cba500850f23f07f43a575fd&prev=/search%3Fq%3Druleta%2Bparaca%25C3%25ADdas%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3D5wh%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26prmd%3Divns&rurl=translate.google.co.za&usg=ALkJrhiniP71chRstypP9_dMgEZZTs6zPQ)
Try also also the word "Paracaidismo".(Skydiving)
Regards
Max
Yep - its like reverse roulette.
I have it coded. I will change the code to stop after first hit.
DL
What is reverse roulette? What exactly you have coded?
Is it the system being sold from a guy named Lou Underhill ? What is the bet selection in his system that he suggests as pivot number? (assuming he uses the same "parachutes" technique)
Does he have a progression?
Quote from: vladir on Oct 23, 10:20 AM 2011
What is reverse roulette? What exactly you have coded?
Is it the system being sold from a guy named Lou Underhill ? What is the bet selection in his system that he suggests as pivot number? (assuming he uses the same "parachutes" technique)
Does he have a progression?
Yep - its the same. He is not using any progression. The main thing is to choice pivot number. The best results I have achieved when I choice the longest sleeping single or split (i choice single from the split which is sleeping longer). The results are not so bad (it is only for bot - manually is mission impossible I think) but profit (if you winning) is small so it is not practical. It will be easy to try yours option.
Regards
DL
Quote from: MAX on Oct 23, 07:02 AM 2011
Hi vladir
This way of play is also called Parachutes and there are lots of diffrent kinds.
They can also be used in a team in different ways.
The parachute you mentioned is called the old parachute family.
Read under Swarm section more about it on VLS forum.
Regards
Max
That's right, Parachutes. Thanks Max. I remembered the wrong term. That's why I couldn't find anything on it.
GLC
What would happen if we mixed up the ORDER in which we play this little fixed term sequence?
Then we could start, as Optimist is saying, with a Leading Edge trend, and see if the Wind fills our sails (so2speak!)
Quote from: Chrisbis on Oct 23, 05:55 PM 2011
What would happen if we mixed up the ORDER in which we play this little fixed term sequence?
Then we could start, as Optimist is saying, with a Leading Edge trend, and see if the Wind fills our sails (so to speak!)
What do you mean? Not sure I understood what you are sugesting....
@ vladir
I take it, U take Ur last spun number, and Play the High/Low game first? That right?
Then U play the Dozen, and so on.....
What happens, if U almost get a set of straws, (we call it drawing the short straw), and label each straw with one of each of the sequences U have in this 18 sequence list, and play them as U draw them out?
So the first one, could be, say, Play the Street.
Second one could be, say, Play the Split..and so on!
u get my now bro?
You meant to change te sequence? I think it may not wok very well, because you won't be able to ensure a win in case you have a hit... If that is what you suggest, why you think is a good idea?
Chris, are you suggesting that we adjust our bet so that whatever location we draw to bet on next, be bet enough units to ensure we are at a new high if we win?
P.S. Nice to see you still blessing us with your presence. My head's still got lines and 2:1's spinning our it. :'(
George
reverse roulette was for cold location i think. one which was not hit for some time. Parachute (or Umbrella) is one of the safest methods i guess. no guarantee of course
link:://bettowins.blogspot.com/2006/03/parachute-system.html (link:://bettowins.blogspot.com/2006/03/parachute-system.html)
The above link above takes us to an interesting twist on how to play the parachute.
The link below is the one I remember
link:://vlsroulette.com/money-management/36-unit-parachute/?PHPSESSID=3736d87863752e8dc11e91390379b843 (link:://vlsroulette.com/money-management/36-unit-parachute/?PHPSESSID=3736d87863752e8dc11e91390379b843)
And the granddaddy of them all
link:://vlsroulette.com/money-management/grand-parachute-t69/ (link:://vlsroulette.com/money-management/grand-parachute-t69/)
I'll call it quits with this one.
As far as I see... all this methods focus on cold numbers... and a static aproach after you pick the number. Altough probabilities are the same, I was suggesting to follow the last spun number each time we play it, aimming not for a particular number, but for a repetition of numbers back to back.
the Follow The Last method seems a good idea in principle, but i tried it a while back & actually it lost quite often - i did only try it for a limited time so i don't want to say it doesn't work for sure, but that was my experience with it.
I think the Waker selection might be better though it requires a lot more tracking (maybe a tracker). Basically, track your particular bet (dozens, streets etc..) when you are about to make the bet, wait for the longest un-hit street (for example) to hit, & then bet it.. hoping it won't become cold again straight away.
edit.. Thinking about it, in a way it is still FTL, but just looking/waiting for a trigger..
gl
Quote from: monaco on Oct 24, 05:38 AM 2011
the Follow The Last method seems a good idea in principle, but i tried it a while back & actually it lost quite often - i did only try it for a limited time so i don't want to say it doesn't work for sure, but that was my experience with it.
I think the Waker selection might be better though it requires a lot more tracking (maybe a tracker). Basically, track your particular bet (dozens, streets etc..) when you are about to make the bet, wait for the longest un-hit street (for example) to hit, & then bet it.. hoping it won't become cold again straight away.
edit.. Thinking about it, in a way it is still FTL, but just looking/waiting for a trigger..
gl
That is FTL with a trigger, correct. And then you focus on that number as the pivot.
What I sugest is a dynamic pivot - the last. It's a bit different.
yes - the dynamic pivot or straight ftl is different to the pivot/waker, i just didn't have much success with the straight ftl.. but then although the parachute i was trying was the same principle as yours, it was slightly different, so that might be the difference & it could work with you.. good luck
Very small test I have made up untill now, and they were in BetVoyager no 0 wheel (fun mode no real money involved)... wich makes things easier. I was up to +200 units in one session, played another one for +100 units, with ups and dows... Long sessions I must say...
A other approach could be to use 4,5,or 6 parachutes at different stages as one team.They can move according to the box(WIN/ LOST).
If the box look good move with more risk.Always reset the parachutes when in plus.
Manrique also applied parachutes in different ways according to what i read.
There can even be a "Roaming Night" that is only used on one straight up number in combination with other parachutes.
It is up to strategic decisions during play.
Regards
Max
Vladir,
I have tested it. Results are not promising. Very similar to reverse roulette results but yours idea is better :)
Generally is loosing in long run (even in 5-10K run) so I think it is not for use. It is only mine opinion so up to you guys.
I have tested on BV NZ spins and RNG spins (from real money session). This system is against table not the wheel so RNG spins should be ok.
I have tried yours original option. Have tried to use small progression (rise chips value when you some % down). Tried to bet only 6 times on single.
You can be up to 400 units up after 2k spins but you loose later.
new Ideas welcome :)
regards
DL
I figure as much.... it's normal to stay up to 400-500 in many systems and then the big hammer comes in to smash your bankroll...
Back to my initial question...and I just wonder... what are the entry and exit points? what is it that happens... that makes us lose latter or win?
PS: thanks for testing it
Quote from: vladir on Oct 24, 12:18 PM 2011
I figure as much.... it's normal to stay up to 400-500 in many systems and then the big hammer comes in to smash your bankroll...
Back to my initial question...and I just wonder... what are the entry and exit points? what is it that happens... that makes us lose latter or win?
PS: thanks for testing it
Entry points (if I get u)
Longest sleeping split and then the longest sleeping single from that split.
Have tried the following sleeping splits: 25, 50, 100, 150, 200
have not tried repeat option but I do not see reason.
Exit point - hit or wish amount :D
regards
DL