hi thomas
do you still play at betvoyager
are you still winning ?
dchq_bam
Quote from: dchq_bam on Oct 22, 03:25 PM 2011
hi thomas
do you still play at betvoyager
are you still winning ?
dchq_bam
I play at two online casinos.
BetVoyager
and
EuroGrand
Sometimes I win.
Sometimes I loose.
That's the way RNG goes.
PS: I personally know someone that has won over $30,000 at BV.
And recently. I will not tell you who it is.
So don't even bother asking me about it.
Tom, maybe you can tell us how long it took them to win the 30 grand? are we talking about a high roller here who had a lucky streak in a few hours or days or someone who built up their bank from a relatively small amount over weeks or months?
Quote from: Bayes on Nov 01, 03:55 AM 2011
Tom, maybe you can tell us how long it took them to win the 30 grand? are we talking about a high roller here who had a lucky streak in a few hours or days or someone who built up their bank from a relatively small amount over weeks or months?
It took this person some 4 weeks.
He started with $50 Euro.
I know... I know...
You find this difficult to believe.
But it is all true.
I know it is.
Because he sent me regular screen shots of what he was doing.
And how he was doing it.
I find it hard to follow what he was doing.
And I dare say it would be difficult to duplicate.
If not impossible.
Only last week he sent me a screen grab of him reaching $30,000 Euro.
Amazing... just amazing.
And I know that some still wont believe me.
Or him.
But I know him.
He is not the sort of person to bullshit.
That's amazing win Tom.
Could U glean anything from his bet selection?
Was he using a Bot, or all manual play?
and would he teach others to play that way>.........how ever complex!?
Incase you missed it Chris
QuoteI will not tell you who it is.
So don't even bother asking me about it
Quote from: superman on Nov 01, 05:31 AM 2011
Incase you missed it Chris
---What was the point mentioning it in the first place.
Very queer.
QuoteWhat was the point mentioning it in the first place
Good question, why bother Tom
Quote from: superman on Nov 01, 05:52 AM 2011
Good question, why bother Tom
1. Tom is respected member of this forum (as are you Flat, Chrisbis, Superman, Bayes.....just to mention those with latest posts on this topic)
2. Topic is about BV.
So lets just take it as one of the facts about BV .....and
don't play at BV
because of this fact (thou its also true that someone will, but this is dealing with other "topic", I mean the great popularity of this forum....)
Quote from: superman on Nov 01, 05:52 AM 2011
Good question, why bother Tom
The simple reason is.
That he has not given me permission to as yet.
Plus, I have not asked him. Not yet anyway.
Next time he is online. I will ask for his permission to post his name.
Or his latest results.
Then again... he may not agree to.
Because he may be flooded with inane questions.
Or people asking him how he did it.
And to show them how to play.
I should mention.
That I did a skype session with him.
And he showed me how he was betting.
I also should mention that the way he was betting was very risky.
It is not for the weak hearted.
One must have nerves of steel.
And to cut ones losses.
There were times he told me.
That his lost considerable amounts.
And not just chicken change.
I mean big mulla.
Look...
I only brought it up to inform members that it is possible to win at the casino.
I have done it.
And now so has he.
I managed to win over $10,000 Euro with Super Roulette software.
That was when I had no idea of what I was doing.
I just kept going.
Taking ever increasing risks.
Though... I have not been able to repeat the performance since then.
However, the way he showed me how he plays.
Has given me some things to consider.
I may go into it in more detail.
I have a basic grasp of what he does.
And managed to take a few snapshots of the chips on the table.
Though I am not game enough to give it a go at the moment.
Not yet at least.
People often ask me the same questions.
1. Can you win at a online casino?
2. Can you show me your settings for the bots?
Or something along those lines.
The answer to the first question is YES.
I use to give people settings for question 2.
However... I no longer do this.
Settings is a personal thing.
My settings have won me money.
They also have lost me money.
It's the nature of RNG.
How this guy has done it?
It still amazes me...
Is it pure luck?
Or a system?
Hard to say.
It's not a system per say...
Not the way he plays.
So is it luck then?
Yes and No.
What is it he is looking for?
I will give you a hint.
It happens often in BV.
LOL...
Or does it just appear to?
Hmmmmm....
Perplexed???
LOL....
Intrigued....
Ahh well...
Enough of my rant for the day.
:P :-*
If I don't get any more stupid comments.
I may continue.
Quote1. Can you win at a online casino?
I would like to clarify that a little.
Many people that look at roulette.
That is 90% of them.
Will fail...
Perhaps even 99%
I have met many members from this forum and others.
Many new members.
Because I have been involved for some time.
And because I actually enjoy the game.
Even when I lose.
I get asked questions.
For the most part.
I try to be prompt, honest and upfront.
Some do not like the honest part.
LoL...
I just tell it like it is.
It's RNG baby...
You ain't gonna win anytime soon.
However...
There are those that do.
That is why this forum is here.
To help members and people that are interested in the game.
To make better choices.
Or to understand the risks a little better.
As most will know.
My passion is bots. Specifically Roulette Bots.
Why?
Well... several reason.
They do all the thinking for me.
Maths was not my best subject at school.
Bots take the emotion out of the game.
Sometimes they win.
But many times they will lose.
Many that have purchased roulette software become very disappointed very quickly.
Because it does not win. Or they lose to much.
Or they don't understand the risks.
Or they play to long.
Or they are just unlucky.
The same goes with Roulette Systems.
I have seen some very amazing systems posted in here.
Do they work?
Buggered if I know.
Have not tried them.
Why not?
Because if it ain't in a bot.
Then I ain't gonna bother.
That begs the question on my mystery friend.
Does he use a bot?
The answer is NO.
Does he use a system?
Sort of.
It is difficult to explain.
And would take many hours trying to.
It's Roulette.
The game of chance.
That is after all why we are all here...
He took a chance.
And won.
Many will fall. Or fail.
Only the lucky ones win.
Do you feel lucky?
Well do ya?
QuoteMany that have purchased roulette software become very disappointed very quickly.
Because it does not win. Or they lose to much.
Or they don't understand the risks.
Or they play to long.
Or they are just unlucky.
Once people lose.
They blame all sorts things.
First they blame the casinos.
Saying they are rigged.
Or that RNG is rigged.
Then they blame the software.
Saying that it does not do what it is supposed to do.
There are many posts in this forum on Rigged RNG casinos.
"Ohh they know what my bets are"
"That's why I lost"
Pfffttt.
I have given up arguing about this.
I know, I know...
You have proof.
Or you have evidence.
Or you LOST...
You had a run of numbers from hell.
Or I have never seen a dozen wait this long before turning up.
Where I have dozen, you could put in Red, Black, Number 25 etc...
Any excuse will do.
The fact is....
And I hate to tell you this.
But
YOU WERE UNLUCKY...That's it. That is all.
And that's all I am going to say on RNG.
See my numerous posts on the subject.
Or my numerous replies.
:-[ :-X :-\ :D :P
30k is a nice win but probably happens to loads of people at least once in their life. It would be interesting to see if he could repeat this several times over. Then you might start to think the guy has something. I was down to my last £10 of trip bankroll several months ago and decided to stick it into one of the slot machines. I hit the 4k jackpot. Tom is right!. You just never know when lady luck is around the corner or the grim reaper for that matter. You just have to accept a lot of things gambling related are down to luck and thinking you can have control over gambling outcomes can lead you down a slippery path.
30000/50=600 units profit, not much probable, but certainly not impossible. If he played no-zero and had a few good hits from start, then probability of this happening increases rapidly. But probability is still low with so few units. The best way is to bet all on a number (1/36) and if it hits play max on number until reaching a target or losing it all. With no-zero the only difference is time it takes to reach the target (or lose), but probability is same as if player could make no-limit bet, so chance of winning 50$*35*17=29750$ is 1/36*2/36=0.00154321. Then if if make 1/p to see frequency then (36*36)/(2*1)=648 and that means that one player in 648 players will win so much on no zero roulette. There should be more winners then ;)
Quote30000/50=600 units profit
What sort of maths is that?
More like 29,950 units profit.
As U said Tom...................................Maths & U.......................eh!
mr.ore means this:-
Unit value 50 x 600 times = 30,000
Its just maths Tom.
by the way, just a taste of how he was playing those repeaters would be superb.
@superman.
U glad I asked the question now?
and the Moral of the story........................never never never .....................[reveal]read the small print[/reveal]
@Everyone.
Albalaha/Sumit has a new tweak of his Finest Method of Defeating Roulette (FMoDR).....
but as yet, he will not tell me what it is!
(It could even be the "Stop @ 6" as brought to us by Ken?!? Who knows?
(and If U the reader, do know, please get in touch!)
I wonder if your 30K guy knows the score?
Anyways Tom......................get posting by U, as always! Cheers.
If U get the chance, ask your friend...............some of us have plenty of BALLS............ we can take it! :wink:
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Quote from: ophis on Nov 02, 04:18 AM 2011
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---Why it's clear like reading the Bible,but it isn't for these
newbies who might get trapped.So many contradictions
in such short story about BV........incredible 8) 8)
Quotemr.ore means this:-
Unit value 50 x 600 times = 30,000
Unit value.
Compared to 30000/50=600 units profit,
Both are wrong.
Though the maths may be correct.
If you start with $10 Euro.
And make $1 Euro playing at a online casino.
Then depending on how you look at.
You have made 1 unit.
If the chip size was $1
If the chip size is $0.50c then you have made 2 units.
And so on.
Since BV has a minimum bet of $0.01c you could also say that you made 1000 units.
Any profit is better than no profit.
When are the units ever dived when playing roulette anyway?
When Your in front. That's all you should care about.
When I started with $30 Euro and turned it into $10,000
I did not divide it. Or care about how many units I made.
All I cared about is how much PROFIT I made.
Supposing that he played no-zero roulette, then it is correct to assume 30000/50, because chance of winning x units is same as a chance of losing x units, then unit size or payout does not matter, but the higher the unit size or payout, the less spins it takes to decide the final result. For example with even chance on no-zero roulette you can "simulate" any other chance.
a) if you divide you bankroll to smaller bankrolls of two units and write W on winning one unit, or L on losing two units, then you simulate two dozens bet, 66.666% of time there would be W and 33.333% of time there would be L. WWWLWLWWLLWWWLLWLLLLLWWLWWWWLWLLWW...
b) divide bankroll so that only a unit is bankroll, then on losing it write L, but if you manage to win a certain amount like 35 units, then write W. The distribution of Ws and Ls should be same as for single number. Of course it takes longer to win or lose on even chances, and the greater the amount, the longer it takes.
For even chance without house edge, probability of winning target amount T with initial bankroll B beofore losing it is B/(B+T), so for two units and target one unit it is 2/(2+1)=2/3 and it is same as a dozen, for initial bankroll one unit and target 35 it is 1/(1+35)=1/36, same probability as winning on a single if played there in one spin. So winning 30000$ with 50$ starting bankroll has a probability 50/(50+30000)=1/601, no matter how player plays. It is absolutely different story for normal roulette with house edge..