this is just going to be simple as they come should it be in full systems?maybe, but see what you think before hand as its in the notepad for veiwing.
The idea is quite simple and is pretty random in itself,no need to track just play every spin.
THE NUMBERS THAT COME OUT DECIDE THE COLUMN YOU BET ON
ie number 27 comes out followed by number 10
the difference between 27 and 10 is 17.
17 is in the 2nd column so bet the second column
next 19 comes out after 10
the difference between 19 and 10 is 9
9 is in the 3rd column so bet the 3rd column
Now there are a couple of simple rules ie if a zero comes out we don,t bet as we need 2 numbers to subtract ,if a number repeats itself we wait until the next number so we can subtract to get a result.
progression for 1 dozen can be found here link:://:.loothog.com/Systems/prog.html (link:://:.loothog.com/Systems/prog.html)
or look at the bread winners system..
Thanks for posting this simple system.
What I like is that there are No Patterns to be formed, No Sleepers to be hit, No Repeaters to Repeat, No Single/Double Chops to kill you, No WLWLWLWL to drain bankroll, etc.
I don't know of any system that wins in the long run but we play roulette in the short run and this Random system will have it's cycles of winning and losing. We just need to apply proper money management with appropriate stopping for profits and losses.
I did a quick test and it was profitable with just Flat Bets and even more profitable with progression.
I certainly will do more testing but can't do it for another day or so.
Thanks
Nick
hi 6th sense
what if the result is negative, 1-2=-1, no bet?
vundarosa
i vundrosa...it doesn,t matter if its negative it would still be number 1 column 1...its only where zero comes in play and a repeat of a number thanks for your interest
Quote from: Nickmsi on Oct 29, 10:30 AM 2011
Thanks for posting this simple system.
What I like is that there are No Patterns to be formed, No Sleepers to be hit, No Repeaters to Repeat, No Single/Double Chops to kill you, No WLWLWLWL to drain bankroll, etc.
I don't know of any system that wins in the long run but we play roulette in the short run and this Random system will have it's cycles of winning and losing. We just need to apply proper money management with appropriate stopping for profits and losses.
I did a quick test and it was profitable with just Flat Bets and even more profitable with progression.
I certainly will do more testing but can't do it for another day or so.
Thanks
Nick
This is a good idea. I don't know if it's a totally new concept because I remember other posts where we added or subtracted numbers to determine our next bet. But this hits me at a time when I'm a little frustrated with following patterns or betting penultimate or follow the last etc...
We can use this for any bet on the table. For even chance we could bet Red if the number is Odd and Black if the number is Even or whatever.
I like the fact that we don't have to worry about prolonged chops or double chops or a long series of one color etc....
Thanks for posting 6th-sense.
GLC
6th- sense,this is very easy to follow and really no pain to get your bet. 8).I guess it comes down to some follow-up and money management and you already have that covered.Thanks for sharing.
This is basically random against random. What is the rationale behind this method? Just throw a dice and play dozens on 1 2 3 or columns on 4 5 6, it would be the same...
Quote from: GLC on Oct 29, 02:25 PM 2011
For even chance we could bet Red if the number is Odd and Black if the number is Even or whatever.
That's exactly what I was trying except that I play all 3 even chances bets one after another:
1. low-high (if previous result was red I play high if it was black I play low)
- then I play:
2. even-odd (if previous result was low I play odd if it was high I play even)
- then I play:
3. red-black (if previous result was even I play black if it was odd I play red)
- and then again low-high....
In couple of attempts it was playing really very good :) !
ahhh mr more ,marivo, i would just like like to say ,and thank everyone with and your input is that with a moving random target that i have outlined if you stuck not on the double progression for 2 columns but on the single ciolumn target that is aimed and a 20 stage progression bet which is easily calculated with the tool provided how often would you lose?
i think a little bit different than what you have outlined as we are moving with numbers not colours ?...what do you think? is it different?
Quote from: 6th-sense on Oct 29, 01:16 PM 2011
i vundrosa...it doesn't matter if its negative it would still be number 1 column 1...its only where zero comes in play and a repeat of a number thanks for your interest
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got it. but you get some really long losing streaks
max i recorded in 10k spins was 20 consecutive bets lost (few 18 bets, like 3-5 times)
vundarosa
thanks vundrosa out of 10 thousand bets and betting every spin and 20 losses is that a plus or minus on your bankroll? also could you give us the place where you got your spins date time etc so we could check them thanks..and thanks again for your time and effort as i can,t program but i will check manually cheers
Quote from: 6th-sense on Oct 29, 06:34 PM 2011
thanks vundrosa out of 10 thousand bets and betting every spin and 20 losses is that a plus or minus on your bankroll? also could you give us the place where you got your spins date time etc so we could check them thanks..and thanks again for your time and effort as i can,t program but i will check manually cheers
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6th, i wasn't testing with any progression just looking at the trends. I used live spins from a file
vundarosa
ok thanks vundrosa and a quick reply 10,000 spins is a lot of spins in the file to test and considering i only put it on today you,ve done really well could you help me out by giving me the program you used to test it? as i said i can,t code and it would be really helpful and again thanks for your time..i don,t think i could go through 10 000 spins in a few hours by hand so the program would be a great help thanks..plus where did the spins come from can you remember as it would be great to have both program and file source thanks in advance
Quote from: mr.ore on Oct 29, 03:14 PM 2011
This is basically random against random. What is the rationale behind this method? Just throw a dice and play dozens on 1 2 3 or columns on 4 5 6, it would be the same...
Your're right Mr. Ore. If your playing at home it would be just fine. I'd feel a little awkward throwing dice at a real roulette table. Of course if they saw you using dice to predict your next bet, it would be too embarassing for them to throw you out even if you were winning.
G
it would be a bit embarrasing glc....just want to thank vundrosa for his input ..just to recap did we only get the 1 loss at 20 bets lost in a row?
if so we would still be in plenty of profit at the end of the 10k spins...its a shame we couldn,t code it to actually see at what point would be best to take the loss and start from 1 unit again O0
Interesting little idea You have here 6th.
I played it with reduced BR exposure, by playing the 6 'Down-The-Table' Splits, using 0.10 chip base value, instead of 1.00 on a Column.
That way, for an extra 0.10 I was able to cover Zero (Our Green Friend) with either a direct Inside Zero bet, or a Split/3 number/4 number bet with the 1,2,3 Low numbers.
Depends if 1,2 or 3 was already showing on the Marquee, and especially relevant if 1,2 or 3 had repeated already!
0.60 spend on the 6 splits, still pays out at the 3:1 ratio, so its the same % as a Column bet return.
At my low risk end, it shortens BR exposure!
It looks like it win/loses in exactly the same way as any Dozen/Column system.
Be that DL, DBL,DL2L
[reveal]DL=Decision Last
DBL=Decision Before Last
DB2L=Decision Before 2nd Last[/reveal]
Good luck to U though Mr Landscape Gardener....... ;)
The Felt presentation feature does not appear to work anymore, or else I would have shown U, and your visitors, what the 'Down-The-Table' splits bet looked like.
Shame! You know I'm fond of my 'Features'. :wink:
Cheers Mark
hi chris i usually would agree with you but the usual column dozen systems rely on the dozen or column results this doesn,t...how many times you lose to a dozen or column sleeping 20 spins or more?
a lot more than this system without a doubt vundrosa clocked maybe 3 to 5 losses at an 18th win and 1 at 20? out of 10k spins....other doz or col systems would not compare to this loss ratio...originally i started just flat betting the 2 columns and it does hold out very well no big losses whatsoever..so i tried progression on the target column never went past 15th step but vundrosa has tested more spins than me in such a short time...but still it looks very positive.
Quote from: 6th-sense on Oct 29, 07:09 PM 2011
ok thanks vundrosa and a quick reply 10,000 spins is a lot of spins in the file to test and considering i only put it on today you,ve done really well could you help me out by giving me the program you used to test it? as i said i can,t code and it would be really helpful and again thanks for your time..i don't think i could go through 10 000 spins in a few hours by hand so the program would be a great help thanks..plus where did the spins come from can you remember as it would be great to have both program and file source thanks in advance
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hi 6th sense...
what I did was input 10k in a excel file, put in some "IF" commands and look at winning/ losing streaks... in the file I was did not bother too much with the little variations you have, as when a zero occurs or when a number repeats, I just looked at the losing streaks. wherever I saw a long losing streak I then manually edited the losing streak count...so you'll see that not all losing streak counts are accurate but most should be, specially where there are long losing streaks of 15-18 losing bets
btw, if you're ignoring the zero for your next bet calculations, waiting for any other number before calculating where to bet next, the longest losing streak would then be
20 19...not that it makes a big difference, just mentioning it because it’s right at the beginning of the file.
vundarosa
Quote from: 6th-sense on Oct 30, 06:58 AM 2011
hi chris i usually would agree with you but the usual column dozen systems rely on the dozen or column results this doesn't...how many times you lose to a dozen or column sleeping 20 spins or more?
a lot more than this system without a doubt vundrosa clocked maybe 3 to 5 losses at an 18th win and 1 at 20? out of 10k spins....other doz or col systems would not compare to this loss ratio...originally i started just flat betting the 2 columns and it does hold out very well no big losses whatsoever..so i tried progression on the target column never went past 15th step but vundrosa has tested more spins than me in such a short time...but still it looks very positive.
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will have a look at the
longest winning streaks....you might have something brewing here
vundarosa
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*8 -1x col 3 hit 10 consecutive times
*6 -over 6x (stopped counting)
vundarosa
hi vundrosa i don,t understand the last part? thanks for being really helpful could you explain how i could use the file myself? so i could put numbers in and run it automatically? i think its a fantastic tool...
I truly hope my initial impression is wrong.........completely wrong..........and U turn out to have a half decent system.
Can I just ask...... U stated U were betting on TWO Columns...... ... You are now just betting on the One
"Sum" Column aren't U?
("Sum" = the resultant value when U take the numerical value of the DBL from the DL)
( DBL= 32, DL =17 Therefore, 32-17= 15 = Column 3(or Column C))
[reveal]
Just in case there are those who say it 17-32 = -15..........U just ignor the Minus indicator... its the same Numerical value)
Here's the Now fixed Felt Presentation for those who wanted to see bet.
[felt]
1@C3
[/felt]
[/reveal]
Quote from: 6th-sense on Oct 30, 10:06 AM 2011
hi vundrosa i don't understand the last part? thanks for being really helpful could you explain how i could use the file myself? so i could put numbers in and run it automatically? i think its a fantastic tool...
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that was the longest winning streaks if played the way you've first outlined it, betting a single collumn.
So the longest winning streak was 8 where col 3 repeated for 10 spins. The longest winning streaks after that have all been 6 won bets:
*8 -1x where col 3 hit 10 consecutive times, which as per your method a show of 2 consecutive numbers in of the same col will have you bet col 3....
*6 -over 6x (stopped counting after seeing 6 bunches with 6 consecutive winnning bets)
Mind you that this is only a 10k spins test and might in no way be representative of how this would do in the long run.
vundarosa
pretty interesting vundrosa and again thanks for your time..could you possibly show me how to use the tool so i can do a lot more testing myself? would really appreciate it..if there are certain limits to the streaks could be very useful thanks
Quote from: 6th-sense on Oct 30, 01:34 PM 2011
pretty interesting vundrosa and again thanks for your time..could you possibly show me how to use the tool so i can do a lot more testing myself? would really appreciate it..if there are certain limits to the streaks could be very useful thanks
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if you want to have a good idea of how this holds, you'd have to test it against a larger spins sample...the excel sheet is a crude one...delete the numbers from first col and type in your own numbers. col d shows which col to bet next and col I the col of the number that came out. do rembember to stretch the formulas from row 4 all the way down to where you want as i've deleted the formulas in some cells.
vundarosa
Testing betting only if the outcome is positive and ignoring the zero for next bet (i.e wait for another number)
10k spin test (meager i know!):
Longest Losing streaks:
*13 consecutive losing bets -- 2x
*14 consecutive losing bets -- 2x
*15 consecutive losing bets -- 2x
back to the test lab
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on Nov 02, 04:49 PM 2011
Testing betting only if the outcome is positive and ignoring the zero for next bet (i.e wait for another number)
10k spin test (meager i know!):
Longest Losing streaks:
*13 consecutive losing bets -- 2x
*14 consecutive losing bets -- 2x
*15 consecutive losing bets -- 2x
back to the test lab
vundarosa
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50k spin test :
Longest Losing streaks:
*13 consecutive losing bets -- 12x
*14 consecutive losing bets -- 8x
*15 consecutive losing bets -- 8x
*16 consecutive losing bets -- 4x
*17 consecutive losing bets -- 2x
*18 consecutive losing bets -- 3x
*22 consecutive losing bets -- 2x
as expected when testing over a larger sample....
are this stats starting to look similar to other single doz/col bets?
vundarosa
hi vundrosa i,m still trying to figure out how to use the excell sheet arghhh ...i don,t like to keep aking you.obviously you have a copy and paste feature.any chance i could have the 50k spin sheet as you have done it and also as the original way i was playing it?
is it the same as a normal col -doz system? i still don,t think so..it only went to the 22nd bet twice i don,t think you could say the same about others.
it would be interesting to know how many actual wins we get out of this.if for example we use this progression
2) Bet: $ 1 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $2
3) Bet: $ 2 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $4
4) Bet: $ 3 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $7
5) Bet: $ 4 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $11
6) Bet: $ 6 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $17
7) Bet: $ 9 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $26
8) Bet: $ 14 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $40
9) Bet: $ 21 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $61
10) Bet: $ 31 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $92
11) Bet: $ 47 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $139
12) Bet: $ 70 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $209
13) Bet: $ 105 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $314
14) Bet: $ 158 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $472
15) Bet: $ 237 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $709
and took the loss on the 16th spin which would be 709 units x 11 = 7799
sounds a lot but half the bets we do would win 2 units. so out of 50k spins -
16 consecutive losing bets -- 4x =64 spins
*17 consecutive losing bets -- 2x =34 spins
*18 consecutive losing bets -- 3x = 54 spins
*22 consecutive losing bets -- 2x =44 spins
total = 196 spins
50 k minus 196 losing spins leaves 49804 spins to get our wins from
out of these remaining spins it would be intersting to see how many qualifying bets we get ?
even if we only get the same as the losses which would be 7799 bets we would still be way up in profit as nearly half the bets win 2 units.pretty intersting stuff thanks for your time and effort vundrosa :)
Quote from: 6th-sense on Nov 03, 02:22 AM 2011
hi vundrosa I'm still trying to figure out how to use the excell sheet arghhh ...i don't like to keep aking you.obviously you have a copy and paste feature.any chance i could have the 50k spin sheet as you have done it and also as the original way i was playing it?
is it the same as a normal col -doz system? i still don't think so..it only went to the 22nd bet twice i don't think you could say the same about others.
it would be interesting to know how many actual wins we get out of this.if for example we use this progression
2) Bet: $ 1 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $2
3) Bet: $ 2 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $4
4) Bet: $ 3 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $7
5) Bet: $ 4 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $11
6) Bet: $ 6 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $17
7) Bet: $ 9 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $26
8) Bet: $ 14 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $40
9) Bet: $ 21 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $61
10) Bet: $ 31 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $92
11) Bet: $ 47 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $139
12) Bet: $ 70 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $209
13) Bet: $ 105 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 1 Bankroll Needed: $314
14) Bet: $ 158 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $472
15) Bet: $ 237 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 2 Bankroll Needed: $709
and took the loss on the 16th spin which would be 709 units x 11 = 7799
sounds a lot but half the bets we do would win 2 units. so out of 50k spins -
16 consecutive losing bets -- 4x =64 spins
*17 consecutive losing bets -- 2x =34 spins
*18 consecutive losing bets -- 3x = 54 spins
*22 consecutive losing bets -- 2x =44 spins
total = 196 spins
50 k minus 196 losing spins leaves 49804 spins to get our wins from
out of these remaining spins it would be interesting to see how many qualifying bets we get ?
even if we only get the same as the losses which would be 7799 bets we would still be way up in profit as nearly half the bets win 2 units.pretty interesting stuff thanks for your time and effort vundrosa :)
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voila!
(again with some manual edit on longer losing streaks-->13 and upwards)
vundarosa
fantastic vundrosa could i also if possible have it the original way too if thats possible..pretty interesting stuff and thanks again