Hey Guys,
Check this: link:://albalaha.lefora.com/2011/11/14/making-of-a-holy-grail/ (link:://albalaha.lefora.com/2011/11/14/making-of-a-holy-grail/)
how is this possible?
His last graph has a downturn of nearly 5000 units.
Having momentary downturn is not very uncommon. The hit rate, max and minimum points and finishing wins are all too great. I don't think, any method posted in our forum (this forum) can match with his.
No... I admit the stats do look amazing.
When will the method be added to MST tracker? do U know?
it is not at all possible....i think there is some manipulation
He has answered that it will not be a part of MST tracker as it is his private method. MST does have open methods written upon forums.
I don't think the figures are manipulated ones. It might be a marketing stunt though. ;)
I have seen his kickass success upon betvoyager. He is a pro.
Quote from: kingsroulette on Nov 14, 01:18 PM 2011
I don't think the figures are manipulated ones. It might be a marketing stunt though. ;)
I have seen his kickass success upon betvoyager. He is a pro.
just can't believe it....never seen before in 10 years.since i strted plying roulette
Having probably something similar and looking at his graphs, I would say that he has a progression which has some parameter that increases it's aggressivity after a lost sessions in a hope it would win in next sessions. It is actually quiet hard to get standard deviation of more than 3 on single, because you need much more spins. Look at one cycle of 37 spins as on one red or black. While red or black takes one spin to complete, one cycle takes 37 spins. You do not see a really long series of any pattern (including just a color) that often, and in the same way you do not see it on number for that often. I am willing to believe that what his method beats zumma book, even beating hundreds of thousands of spins means nothing much, been there, done that - after success tens of thousands of spins come, where ANY winnigs are taken from the player, and final loss is made. Of course, playing a number can be also very rewarding, and if you are willing to risk a really big variance against you, you can have a really good variance going your way - it is even chance ;) Good luck with any such method, they are not that bad if you are willing to take the risk, and have a HUGE bankroll or access to a casino with VERY LOW limits and HIGH SPREAD, the more the better. Even more preferable is playing it on no-zero routlette...
The less numbers, the better, IF you have a bankroll for that.
if he is that good
why is he trying to sell holy grail systems
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
LOL, and he says hes not selling it, some mugs will pay for it eventually, take it from where its coming, the same guy who had the super dupa streets method for $1000, the one that fell flat in 100 spins, Chris will remember it, good luck Albalala you'll catch some people with it.
QuoteThe most impressive result was winning 16144 units in 212219 spins with a max units staked on a single number=5 and max drawdown=-906.
--albalaha
QuoteHaving probably something similar and looking at his graphs, I would say that he has a progression which has some parameter that increases it's aggressivity after a lost sessions in a hope it would win in next sessions.
--Mr. Ore
quite contradictory.
albalaha is clearly saying that he has used a max of 5 units in entire session while Mr. Ore is talking of aggressive progression.
Is it sheer frustration at the part of so-called math geniuses? Have anyone ever seen any method which can win so many spins without getting into deep loss?
Quotealbhalha never gives geniune stuff outside
Probably because he has none! looks like were getting taken over by trolls from the developing world
Superman,
None of the system posted in this forum can dare to do this for so long. You know that variance kills all methods. If it is a fixed way of playing roulette/system, I salute it. If it is just a cheap trick to pull crowd, it is very bad.
trolls and fakers for sure
myself have uncovered a few people on skype claiming to be different people
and the all from that far away place
this system you keep speaking of thats so good
well lets have it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
or is it only for sale
stop wasting peoples time
Quote from: pratikpop on Nov 14, 02:34 PM 2011
chrisbis has all the fake stuffs ..all the garbage ...albhalha never gives geniune stuff outside
please remove your comment regarding chrisbis
he has always been honest and tells you his methods
he is someone you can trust and confide in
I don't know, I can only guess on the few facts/snippets that Pratikpop gave me when he was nearer the Berlin wall than the Great Wall of China... but I think (note that word again folks...), I think its a variant of FMoDR, with an aggressive Mount Parlay on the Recovery side, not on the Win side for the progression.
So, if U were waiting for repeats, which essentially is what FMoDR is all about, (I know we all know that, I am saying for the record, and for guests, cause they are the future You know!), the repeat numbers CAN be +21 Unique numbers apart, we know that from Bis101 bot , and other repeat trackers systems like it.
The Aggression shows in the draw down, which always occurs near to home base.
The Beginning is where u will really really hurt, especially if u don't see the bet selection through to the middle section at least.
5000 draw down at the begining is 50 Quid to U and Eye, so I would imagine U would need a factor of 6/8 or even 10 on the bounce, for your bankroll.
So, this is a system, that needs somewhere between 400- 600 BR (if u add in the down draw) to start with.
Big numbers.
But, if the pudding rises, and the Apple Pie tastes good after being throw down stairs a few times, then where is the harm.?
Can we code it? (I sounds Like BoB the Builder now!) .......I bet we can. :)
What we need is the change in the Aggressive progression, and if the Bet S is any different.
Neither of which I know.
But the clues are in the graph, and the bet tolerance v, the spins.
I'm sure we can figure it out.
Sumit will not Like me saying this.............but he may be onto a winner? :question: Maybe?
Some of my systems, draw down bigger that this (Relatively!!)
its all relative as he once said! (Albert..R.I.P.)
thanks for the Garbage report Prats......
Hey Guys,
Stop fighting here. Mr. Ore at least tried to explain this success rationally. He may be right with his thinking but what if it is not manipulation or aggressive betting?
Well, just look at his graphs:
(link:://albalaha.lefora.com/composition/attachment/5c67d958f83438c6c88bddfa4d180922/1037641/holy%20grail%20upon%2065k%20spins-blurred.jpg)
At spin around 14000 he has a maximum around 10k and then there is a drawdown around 12000 compared to this around spin 30000 and he recovers around spin 40000. It is too big drawdown to make the method playable, and in roulette there is a rule "as top, as bottom" - if it can produce such a big drawdown, it can produce even greater drawdown.
We are only talking of ifs and buts but can someone please explain how can someone win more than 200k spins with betting 5 units max? Anybody?
BTW don't be too bad to him, he did his homework and is probably further than most of you in case he believes that he REALLY has a holy grail, I also had times when I thought that I "have it" and was absolutely in a heaven for a few hours denying any possibility that I am wrong. For some people it might take days or weeks to discover that sad truth...
Quote from: kingsroulette on Nov 14, 03:12 PM 2011
We are only talking of ifs and buts but can someone please explain how can someone win more than 200k spins with betting 5 units max? Anybody?
I had a system that once won 100k spins betting one unit and only progressing in risk. It failed in the end...
QuoteI had a system that once won 100k spins betting one unit and only progressing in risk. It failed in the end...
Oh. really? Why don't u publish it here. That could be an answer to albalaha. As he tried to prove his point through graphs, you should do the same. Magician opening another magician's secret. Mr. Ore Vs. Albalaha...........Howzzzzzzzzzzzzat?
I haven't had much fun in a while guys :lol:
:thumbsup:
please come ahead with that graph.
Quote from: Juiced91 on Nov 14, 03:40 PM 2011
I have a graph on my pc that beat a million spins and I did it today but it failed in the next million so I leave it. I actually have more than one. And oh it was done flat betting.
hahahahahahha
Anything else you wanna say Speed? :yawn:
Quote from: Juiced91 on Nov 14, 03:51 PM 2011
Anything else you wanna say Speed? :yawn:
what is this fake or bias? or CWB ...
Actually it isn't that hard to beat many spins. You need 2 things:
1. Luck
2. A screen capture program(or windows own one)
Check these two threads were I beat over 800k spins in one and over 3 milj spins in the other.
Does this mean that I have a holy grail? Unfortunately not guys..
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=5251.msg51644#msg51644 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=5251.msg51644#msg51644)
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=901.msg8022#msg8022 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=901.msg8022#msg8022)
Quote from: speed on Nov 14, 03:57 PM 2011
what is this fake or bias?
Oh no its REAL i can post more if you like... Yeah thats what im saying i can beat many spins i have about 6 graphs where i beat a million and then the next graph i finish roughly where i started and this is all flat betting
To Juiced91: Is it on no zero roulette or single zero?
No zero hey. if I have a no zero table available to me then I will use the table. And people are gonna tell me its not roulette its not real. But anyway that's what I use.
Quote from: Fripper on Nov 14, 03:59 PM 2011
Actually it isn't that hard to beat many spins. You need 2 things:
1. Luck
2. A screen capture program(or windows own one)
Check these two threads were I beat over 800k spins in one and over 3 milj spins in the other.
Does this mean that I have a holy grail? Unfortunately not guys..
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=5251.msg51644#msg51644 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=5251.msg51644#msg51644)
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=901.msg8022#msg8022 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=901.msg8022#msg8022)
hi Fripper,
How luck can be on 3 milions spins and where is house edge??
Quote from: pratikpop on Nov 14, 03:53 PM 2011
what's the point in testing so many spins...**** it
Hi Prats. :smile:
The point about testing for 'X' umber of spins is easy to make.
Say your new forum administrator, had stopped testing his A.H.G system at 30,000 spins, what would u the observer have concluded?
Lets have a look:-
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I think it would be fair to say, that after 30k spins, this baby is down the Toilet pan, cause it just LOST U the player/Tester 2000units!
Would U agree?
But letting the test continue, it showed, the recovery was just around the bend, so to speak, and U WERE assured of success, if only U stuck to your Guns.
that's the point of larger tests/spins.
LOL, the heat is on ........ there have been plenty of methods/systems posted over the years that can go multiple millions of spins and not from random.org or zumma but against captured RNG and LIVE wheels, (notice how rnG has a G heck it's half way to the HG) it's the following couple of million that take it all back again, some here know I have tested some bots over weeks on all night runs, they survive within the confounds of table limits and what I would call a reasonable amount of chips usage during progression/recovery, those that know me also know I don't like high progressions, so for a bot to run for 12 hours for 6 nights of the week and survive is probably not 5 million spins but day seven took its toll so the idea is scrapped purely because a week could be full of day sevens, erase/delete/start over.
IMHO the person in question is trying to do 2 things, get members for his forum, if I had a HG I wouldn't be running a forum and I'm sure most will agree, the man has nothing, just blowing smoke, my opinion only of course, I enjoy being proved wrong though, I can eat humble pie as well as most.
Custard on stand-bye with that Sir?
Much prefer cream. You can't be serious Sir Chris, you think I will be proved wrong, let's wait n see then.
Albhalha is a fraud. For those of you that followed the thread where he was exposed, he was led by questioning that revealed this. By his own admission, his method did not work although he didnt appear to know what he was saying.
Quote from: superman on Nov 14, 04:50 PM 2011
LoL, the heat is on ........ there have been plenty of methods/systems posted over the years that can go multiple millions of spins and not from random.org or zumma but against captured RNG and LIVE wheels, (notice how rnG has a G heck it's half way to the method) it's the following couple of million that take it all back again, some here know I have tested some bots over weeks on all night runs, they survive within the confounds of table limits and what I would call a reasonable amount of chips usage during progression/recovery, those that know me also know I don't like high progressions, so for a bot to run for 12 hours for 6 nights of the week and survive is probably not 5 million spins but day seven took its toll so the idea is scrapped purely because a week could be full of day sevens, erase/delete/start over.
In My Humble Opinion the person in question is trying to do 2 things, get members for his forum, if I had a method I wouldn't be running a forum and I'm sure most will agree, the man has nothing, just blowing smoke, my opinion only of course, I enjoy being proved wrong though, I can eat humble pie as well as most.
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now that's some very depressing news...maybe Einstein was indeed correct
vundarosa
Einstein said you cant beat the TABLE. He wasn't referring to the WHEEL. This is a common misconception of what he meant.
Anyway this thread is locked now. Discuss it at al's forum if you want to continue down the primrose path of utter bs.
"Einstein said you can't beat the TABLE. He wasn't referring to the WHEEL" >>> Thats one of the BEST lines I have ever heard, I'll be using that. ;)
Ken