Alabalah was banned from this site as he was very clearly a scammer. I gave him every fair opportunity to justify his claims, but the line of questioning only revealed he is scamming people. If you want to ignore the warnings, go discuss with him at his forum. Any links to his forum here will be removed. I will not let any of my sites facillitate clear scamming.
CEH: same with this man. He is a sick person, and if you actually believe anything that man says, that is very unfortunate for you.
Silversurfer: this is a system seller. What he publishes would be fine if it was in the correct section. This is the third forum he has now spammed on so he and his posts have been removed. How much warning is enough?
None of these people will take the challenge at link:://:.genuinewinner.com/100k-challenge/ because they know their method is a scam. Yet they will claim to have the holy grail. Is it the first clue?
Very rarely should censorship be done. The exceptions are spam, and clear scams. When I say clear scams, I mean they are crystal clear, and I've given careful thought to it. Some people may not agree with censorship of ceh and al's material, and to that I say go discuss with these people directly. I'm doing what is best for everyone in general. Nevertheless I believe the majority of the forum will agree with me.
If you want to discuss scams and mislead more people, please do it on forum's like Al's. Again I will not sit and let my forums be used to scam people.
Also I've banned pratikpop and roulprofessional - I have good reason to believe they are the same person, possibly Alalabah. Same isp, same region, same material. That would explain why they promote Al's forum and praise him. In particularly pratikpop who claims Al's system changed his life.
Understand these people will keep coming back, under fake names. They are luring in victims. Why would a legitimate holy grail owner do this? The only way to stamp it out is to censor discussions that promote these scammers. Otherwise they will continue to use fake names.
Moderators, please assist in these matters.
Well Done, Steve O0
"Moderators, please assist in these matters" >>> You got it.
Ken
I just checked some more information.
MEMBERS, IF SOMEONE IS OBVIOUSLY AL OR SOME OTHER RETURNING IDIOT, YOU NEED TO LET THE MODS KNOW.
I personally dont read the forum every day, so I am often out of touch of who is who and what they say. But today after reading some of it, I find members who had been banned numerous times, people like Al back under fake names and more. Everyone needs to help keep the forum clean of 'morons'. If the forum is cluttered with these people, everyone wastes time, and this isnt a fun and productive place.
To the repeat offenders: You will continue to be banned. Start your own forum and stick to it. If you spam here or just plain irritate people, you will be removed.
We do have to make the definitions quite clear, correct?
No baiting......talking about how great a method is and not posting it.
I HATE testimonials of how great a method is, especially from a member with 5 posts.
Links of course.
etc. etc.
Ken
Ken, absolutely correct. Baiting/teasing is pointless and unproductive dribble that should not be tolerated.
Again the members need to communicate with the mods about any problems, then it is the mod's decision on what is best to do as I trust their judgement. If they are undecided, they can just ask me.
Quote from: Steve on Nov 14, 06:34 PM 2011
Also I've banned pratikpop and roulprofessional - I have good reason to believe they are the same person, possibly Alalabah. Same isp, same region, same material. That would explain why they promote Al's forum and praise him. In particularly pratikpop who claims Al's system changed his life.
Well I don't want to stand on anyone side because I'm just a coder but I can assure you that pratikpop is not albalaha. :yawn:
they are using completely different hardware.
The 'Sub' terrainian memberships from the Indian Continent, have been suspect for some time..... and have been under close scruntiny.
On those, in the main, I agree.
I'm sorry to Pratikpop, that You have been fed a lot of lies.... I will explain.
CEH/RE if that what u mean.... goes without saying.
------------EDIT-------------- chrisbis
(It would appear, the combination of assuming CEH was RE was wrong at my end, and for that I apologise to forum & RE. R.E. please make your posts clear, and less 'ambiguous'. Cheers.)
On the subject of Silverside of Beef, (silversurfer).... I am not too sure, but people have direct access to his site, and if they choose to use it, its free will...... but I personally, thought he still had a point to prove.
I will bow, in this case, to your superior knowledge, and access to greater depth of information Steve.
Well done, on the Moderation. :thumbsup:
Can we now have a recruitment drive for some new moderators, who are ACTIVE, PLAUSIBLE and FORTHRIGHT in their duties. I fully respect the current Moderators in all they attempt to do, but shall next time, have less nut to crack with the SLEDGE hammer, and show a little more Accelerated Control by the incumbents.
No disrespect at all, but Thomas Grant needs to step down as a moderator.
I think Iggiv is learning the job well.
I think Bayes is masterful when in the house.
And I think 'OUR Ken', has all the attributes we are seeking, in good Moderation, we just need more of them, and greater hands on.
We obviously have a shortage of Mods her in this place.
can you sort that Steve please?
No Offence intended at Thomas Grant- The Professor of All things Roulette!
Signed- chrisbis/Chrisbis
If someone starts a thread and says they have a great method, thats fine but PLEASE post EVERY rule for that method.....within 48 hours, I think thats fair. If its not yet posted after 48 hours, DELETE the thread, in my opinion.
Ken
The same area, isp etc is close enough to be suspicious. Then add raving testimonials about life changing systems, and it is over the line - enough to ban. It is not an exact science though - just best judgement. Different hardware can be the man has a linux laptop, and a pc desktop. That is not sufficient, in my opinion, to overcome the red flags.
Regarding Thomas, I haven't seen any reason why he would be removed as mod. If you know something I don't, please share it. Of course Thomas will have his say too.
Chris, would you like to be a mod too? You fit the requirements. To proceed, it would help to first see the initiation ritual when Iggiv became mod: Satanic Ritual--Scene from "Inside the Church of Satan" (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=2clZl6rFjmA#ws)
You can at least know what to expect. We had to censor out the part with the goat though.
Hells, bells, is that it?
I was expecting a Rain-Dear? LoL
I will consult me people, and they will no doubt get in touch with Ur people, and somewhere in the middle, we will have a great bash!
Tom, has done nothing....................................wrong.
I have great admiration for Tom, but posting has gone down, so has the frequency, and when we compare to the Former Australian representative..... Not as much 'Hands-on' action.
I just think the Job is not right choice for Tom, and i would rather see Tom posting Up some great stuff again.
We'll be in touch.
Quote from: Steve on Nov 14, 08:45 PM 2011
Different hardware can be the man has a linux laptop, and a pc desktop. That is not sufficient, in my opinion, to overcome the red flags.
Well your assumptions are justified, but im just saying that ME as THOSE bots CODER and authentication server administrator which have insight into who/on what/where/when/and how long are those bots using on everyday basis know that praktikop and albalaha are NOT the same person.
I think Chris would be a great addition !!
Nothing wrong with TG, I'm sure the guy is busy as heck, I like him as a mod.
Ken
That may be the case ophis, but even their email addresses are very similar. But even with what you see with your admin area, it is not at all unreasonable for the same person to login with different computers. Even with what you have said, and I do consider it, there is still too much that points towards them being the same person.
Chris, reindeer are an option. Santa (Satan's butt buddy) has made many contributions, including taking the "christ" part from Xmas and making Xmas all about money, mwahaha. And you guessed it, reindeer and inherently evil. A life full of sin and being ONE OF US is a mouse click away...
If that's so, I wanna be 'Hidden' Just Like U!!
'Click' me baby........................One more,...................... time!'
[reveal]
Britney Spears Tribute
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I always wanted to ask you....why do you use the 'Reveal' thing, what for?
Ken
probably because its cool
yes, Chris would be good i think.
Steve, LOL about your satanic joke
Its cause its his thing. He can't go a day without using the reveal. If there has not been ten in a day his day is not complete.
Quote from: MrJ on Nov 14, 09:18 PM 2011
I always wanted to ask you....why do you use the 'Reveal' thing, what for?
Ken
Its adds to the Drama of the whole sha-bang Ken.
Don't tell U of all people, don't know the art of comedy Ken.....?
[reveal]
If Reincarnation existed, most men would come back
as a SPIDER.........
so they could finally here a woman say>
"Oh My God, Its Friggin HUGE"
[reveal]
Three men called Mick, Pat & Tat, are in a Pub.
Local guy comes over to them, and says.
"Are u all related?"
Mick says, "Yeaz, we are Triplets!"
The punter says, "How come u and Pat are 6 ft plus, and Tat is only 4 ft nuthin?"
"Well", starts Mick, "Me and Pat was both breast fed,
which meant there was no
Tit For Tat."
[reveal]
A report out today, says 40% of men over 40 suffer
erection problems.
Well, looking at 40% of women over 40, its no bloody wonder why!
[reveal]
Timing eh!
[/reveal]
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[/reveal]
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Not JUST cool.....................................its a great feature to add to your writing prowess.
Quote from: Steve on Nov 14, 08:45 PM 2011
Chris, would you like to be a mod too? You fit the requirements. To proceed, it would help to first see the initiation ritual when Iggiv became mod: Satanic Ritual--Scene from "Inside the Church of Satan" (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=2clZl6rFjmA#ws)
You can at least know what to expect. We had to censor out the part with the goat though.
i agree with you steve chris would be an excellent moderator
he is fair he listens he give's a honest opinion
and his post are good reading
Quote from: MrJ on Nov 14, 08:19 PM 2011
If someone starts a thread and says they have a great method, that's fine but PLEASE post EVERY rule for that method.....within 48 hours, I think that's fair. If its not yet posted after 48 hours, DELETE the thread, in my opinion.
Ken
good idea ken
this should be a strict rule on the forum to stop all the antics that drag on and on
sick of reading about random.org test spins and systems that passed a thousand spins
random is random fact
test test test............
you can test all day everyday and wish what might have been
lets just all get our heads together and win some money that is the idea ?
Quote from: Chrisbis on Nov 15, 02:23 AM 2011
Its adds to the Drama of the whole sha-bang Ken.
[reveal]
If Reincarnation existed, most men would come back
as a SPIDER.........
so they could finally here a woman say>
"Oh My God, Its Friggin HUGE"
[reveal]
Three men called Mick, Pat & Tat, are in a Pub.
Local guy comes over to them, and says.
"Are u all related?"
Mick says, "Yeaz, we are Triplets!"
The punter says, "How come u and Pat are 6 ft plus, and Tat is only 4 ft nuthin?"
"Well", starts Mick, "Me and Pat was both breast fed,
which meant there was no Tit For Tat."
[reveal]
A report out today, says 40% of men over 40 suffer
erection problems.
Well, looking at 40% of women over 40, its no bloody wonder why!
[reveal]
Timing eh!
[/reveal]
[/reveal]
[/reveal]
[/reveal]
Not JUST cool.....................................its a great feature to add to your writing prowess.
Ahhhhhh Mr. Chrisbis, I always knew... LoL!
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But my vote's for you... :thumbsup:
(I'm just trying to enhance my writing prowess) ;)
@ Ken (MrJ)
U see how much fun U can have with such a cheeky little code like reveal? :thumbsup:
so simple too!!
[reveal] info/pic/answers/anything in here, then>[/reveal]
and ur done.
easy. :smile:
...is RE got ban ?
since the takeover this forum is going downhill fast
Well, we will have to find ways of getting back to where we were then eh?
Push the Cart Up-Hill again!!
would be nice to see more posts again... and some new stuff to.
Quotesince the takeover this forum is going downhill fast
Tell you what, joiner29. I suppose you think we should let scammers try to scam people under fake names. Perhaps we shouldnt remove them. Perhaps we should let them flood the forum with trash. Is that what you are saying?
It seems to me the experienced members here understand what is required to maintain a healthy forum, and appreciate good moderating.
If you don't appreciate it or dont agree with banning scammers, find another forum.
In my opinion (not that it is worth much) nearly all the best system posters are gone, main reason i think most people try to find flaws instead of trying to better the systems
If you are referring to Al, he was scamming people. Read back at the threads where by his own admission his system does not work, although he didnt even know what he was saying. If you dont understand it all, thats unfortunate for you. If you prefer to have people scamming, again I suggest try another forum because scamming wont be tolerated here. It would be nice to have the efforts of moderators appreciated, but not everyone understands things from our end.
Who decides who is scamer? What if most people don't agree? You say find another forum..
How we known that Steve is no scamer too, i guess because he is owner of most forums, but it does not prove nothing.. I think the best is voting who is scamer and who is not, and then ban him, but I'm not owner and not even moderator and my thinking is not important.
Speed, if you understood the line of questioning and his answers, and what it all meant, you'd know he admitted his system doesnt work. Besides, test it for yourself. It seems about half the members agree he is a scammer. I dont want to go on about it, but in the end it was very, very clear.
I acknowledge that sometimes I may get things wrong, but in this case, I'm not wrong. The history of Al goes back a while, full of spamming on other forums and overall, I dont want to waste time on him. If I wasted time on every scammer, and explaining to people why he is banned, I would be wasting a lot of my life.
You say that only you are smart enough to see who is scammer without evidence?
Speed, go read the thread, think for yourself, then you are in better position to discuss it.
for me it's all clear, no need to discus more..
Clear for me too: you criticize without knowing or caring to research. It is not uncommon.
The right people were banned.
see, even superman agrees
Now I see ;) ... and I apologize because I thought that the RouletteExplorer baned, but he is not.
BTW- forum should know.... I took the Reindeer option.
looks cute under the tree... in the garden. :twisted:
Albalaha recently sent me email claiming to have holy grail asking for $500. here is the excerpt:
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 11:27:03 +0530
Subject: Wanna buy "only possible holy grail"?
From: earnsumit@gmail.com (earnsumit@gmail.com)
Dear catalyst,
I hope you must have found King System a bit useful. I have created a perfect method playable upon ECs and baccarat. With a bankroll of 150 units only, you will earn 50 units or even more per session while keeping your bankroll safe too. I have yet to see any loss of bankroll till now and it is almost impossible. Even if you happen to get worst case and lose once in 10 sessions (normally one can lose once in 200 sessions), you will still be at +350 units net profit. What else one can seek.?
You need to pay $500 to get this mindboggling and lifetime winner method. I request you not to disclose it ever to anybody else in the world. If you can prove that my stuff is not as playable as I claim and a loser, I can refund your money as well. I am so sure of its winning capacity.
awaiting a quick response
Regards
Sumit @ albalaha dear Albalaha
i do not intend to buy any more systems as there is nothing new in those systems. your unbalance even money system in the 'king system' uses a concept "project 202" found in the internet which i have seen long before and is not an attractive way for me and certainly not a consistent winning system. now your claim to invent "only possible holy grail" does not have real meaning to me at all. if you are strong enough to say that it consistently win, then send it to me to verify it and if it fits what you have claimed "
have yet to see any loss of bankroll till now and it is almost impossible. Even if you happen to get worst case and lose once in 10 sessions (normally one can lose once in 200 sessions), you will still be at +350 units net profit. What else one can seek.?" then i can give you my assurance that you will be paid through my first session winnings chips.
thanks
catalyst
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 11:27:03 +0530
Subject: Wanna buy "only possible holy grail"?
From: earnsumit@gmail.com (earnsumit@gmail.com)
Dear catalyst,
I donot think that you have not benefitted even a bit from my King system,
since I sold it out to at least 50 guys and mostly from the forum and none complained
ever. I will get in touch with your through chat too for all explainations. Regarding my
HG, it is the finest way to play EC bets and baccarat. With 150 units only, you will stay
safe even in worst cases. I can promise you one thing, if you buy it and show me that
the principles of the system do not work, I will refund your money instantly. Nothing
else can be done.
regards
Sumit @ albalaha
from the above excerpts, you be judge what is Albalaha doing----- probably scamming around people. I have received invitation to join his forum through PM from Darrynf . here is the excerpt:
Quote from: darrnyf on Nov 11, 12:46 AM 2011
Message from albalaha: Dear Friend, I hereby invite to join my new forum. A place to debate roulette and other table games. No filth ever. Entry by invitation only. link:://x/ (link:://x/)
Regards, Sumit@albalaha
probably Darrnyf and Albalaha is the same person.
these are the chronicles of scammers.
Darr is not Albalaha, i know him
QuoteAlbalaha recently sent me email claiming to have holy grail asking for $500
LOL, see Chris, you can keep the custard
QuoteSubject: Wanna buy "only possible holy grail"?
LOL
QuoteI can promise you one thing, if you buy it and show me that the principles of the system do not work, I will refund your money instantly
LOL again, he means, if you buy it (
mug you) and use it and it fails (
I havent properly tested it, too scared to) I wont reply to your emails asking for a refund lol
Well banned Steve, good on ya mate
Steve,
What do you say about this site: **************************
Will I be banned too for posting it?
(This text message was size=12pt originally)
Moderator edit.
Since it has nothing to do with Roulette at all, unless U wanted to know what the time was in different World cities, (and therefore purchase domain site in them!), then yes, U will be banned, IF U continue in this Vain.
My suspicion is that even if your are not Albalaha/Sumiteshwar Choudhary himself, You are most certainly an ambassador for him, and his "WORK".
Be warned MR.... continue and I will have no hesitation in asking to have U removed from the Building.
Seems strange that You have gone "Ballistic" at the same time I get vile, and defamatory Facebook messages from Sumiteshwar Choudhary.
You have to come clean, and tell us who U really are, and your intentions here.
Chris-Mod.
P.S. changing the size of the text, is so reminiscent? ? ::)
:.google.com (link:://:.google.com)
opps sorry guyz i wil be banned for posting this link...sorry :embarrassed:..lol hel ya
Don't U have anything better than that to say?
At least make it funny, or interesting.... or SOMETHING....
I mean...............
Who has ever heard of that web site address?
[reveal]
Try not taking the pizz too much eh....... trying get some fresh impetus going here Darry!
Cheers.
P.S. got anything new to share Roulette wise?
[/reveal]
I was enquiring about buying Albalaha's so called holy grail roulette system. I started asking too many questions, and then he said he could not sell it to me because I would deviate from the strategy and lose my discipline LOL.
There is no way he has a winning system. If I had one, I would make at probably half a million finding the right buyer(s). First of course, I would get someone like Imspirit to test it and post his fair results on his blog to give me some cred.
As far as this CEH, win3million scam nonsense goes...
Imspirit ran a test for me in the past year for baccarat. The formula goes if there are X (banker or player) hits in Y decisions (5-20 or something like that), then bet X for Z decisions (Z is 1-10 or something similar). He ran tens of thousands of iterations, if not more. Everything turns up negative eventually. Another programmer did the same thing for me for baccarat over a year ago AND I have tested this on the dozens in roulette when I was testing that Roul-Eight system. Everything turns negative eventually.
i dont know who is scammer or not..but albhalaha is defintely not a scammer....i was one of his buyer of king system..and i didnt liked it and he gave me my money back....and i am not albhalaha
iggiv our moderator knows me very well
But one thing for sure, is that Albalaha/Sumit, is a system seller.
and he was removed from this place for that reason.
Locking this Topic now, as it serves no Useful purpose in its current continued thread.
Quote from: darrnyf on Nov 18, 08:15 AM 2011
i don't know who is scammer or not..but albhalaha is defintely not a scammer....i was one of his buyer of king system..and i didn't liked it and he gave me my money back....and i am not albhalaha
iggiv our moderator knows me very well
yes i do. i know Darr for quite some time, since long before Albalaha was banned, and Darr has nothing to do with him. Totally different person.