Hello good people,
Maybe this should be in test area, but Ill leave that to the mods.
This bet selection is logical and should make sense.
Pivot splits
Thought:
Maybe one idea (pivot number) may give an idea where to place other bets some where else (a split)that may follow the same idea.
Theory:
All groups seem to follow law of the third: singles, splits, streets, sectors. A doubled group could treble, and any single hit group has already took the first step towards doubling.
Idea:
The pivot system looks for a number to hit twice then we bet on it hitting a third time.
Any pivot number has an associated split. This split has also hit twice (or 3 times), so also has a chance of hitting more times.
Each of these numbers i.e. the pivot and its split partner has a partner in a 2 sector group. One to the left and one to the right. Or you could say each of these numbers is part of a 3 number sector.
Structure:
Here are some numbers: 1, 22,23,36,5,22 and we have a pivot number i.e.22
22 and 19 are a split. Either side of 22 on the wheel are 18 and 9. Either side of 19 are 4 and 15.
So we have 6 numbers associated with the initial doubled pivot i.e 22, 18, 9, 19, 4, 15
Example:
I look for pivots in the last 12 and bet on the 6 numbers for 2 hits then look for another pivot.
I know you won't believe it, but I have pasted these numbers randomly from a geman casino without checking if they work and tested “live “as I typed this.
*is a pivot, and x is a hit
29,18,24,24*,25,36,19,33,4x,5x,34,0,30,31,2,4*,1x,14,4x,33x,11,34,23,32,29,4x,18,16,15,30,27,
29*,12,28,34,2, 0x,29x,28*,20,21,35,26,12x,31,1,1,31,5,25x,2x,36,7x,28x,1,5,22,25x,
*is a pivot, and x is a hit
1. 24 = 24/21, 5-16, 4-2 … hit 4, 5
2. 4 = 4/1, 19-21, 33-20… hit 1, 4, (4 is still pivot)33, 4
3. 29= 29/26, 18-7, 3-0 … hit, 0, 29
4. 28 = 28/25, 7-12, 2-17 hit 12, 25, 2, 7, 28, 25
Currently I am playing (withlive numbers from Will Hill live dealer as they come out: in RX) a 10p progression on each number of 10p, 30p,50p,70p, etc
I am playing £100 b.r , stopping on £30 profit/session.
Its still a very “green†idea, but it looks promising. It’s a logical idea based on Law of the third.
There all over the bloody place if you look
Bad Harzburg,20/07/01,Francese,Tav.1,29,28,21,14,15,32,30,16,17,7,1,3,34,8,20,36,19,7,17,8,10,30,3,24,
10,27,29,
18,24,24,25,36,19,33,4,5,34,0,30,31,2,4,1,14,4,33,11,34,23,32,29,4,18,16,15,30,27,29,
12,28,34,20,29,28,20,21,35,26,12,31,1,1,31,5,25,2,36,7,28,1,5,22,25,8,36,22,2,
24,28,29,12,11,34,36,1,24,8,14,5,21,2,3,24,6,29,25,31,0,15,33,28,8,0,14,27,30,24,10,
21,35,0,9,1,36,19,11,28,19,28,8,8,2,3,3,26,33,8,27,21,1,11,12,14,19,11,35,23,3,18,2,9,
12,14,17,19,3,28,5,12,23,19,35,4,6,16,11,35,18,9,32,36,22,1,33,0,13,4,35,15,15,24,27,
34,25,4,25,33,16,27,28,9,21,0,10,19,2,26,26,31,26,26,20,24,31,19,35,4,28,36,1,25,19,
21,8,9,15,1,21,17,31,32,16,0,5,30,2,6,23,27,4,20,36,23,10,6,33,18,13,5,29,13,14,10,30,
31,20,7,12,36,25,20,3,12,22,16,9,29,33,0,16,18,9,26,15,17,28,30,11,4,34,14,30,33,9,31,
32,11,35,15,16,6,18,21,31,26,34,21,23,21,5,22,11,30,13,21,14,2,4,25,12,4,30,19,20,24,
21,31,5,9,26,2,20,0,4,9,4,34,11,27,5,17,27,15,27,25,30,5,25,34,12,5,8,3,18,31,7,3,19,
Forgot to add, a 0 pivot is ignored because it has no split. 0 is a valid number in the rest of the selection though
just spotted this in the Hazburg no.s near the bottom
21,5,22,11,30,13,21*,14,2x,4x,25,12,4x,30,19,20,24x
that's all is not bad, but i would like u to point in direction of the wheel layout. remember, the game does not happen on the table. the table does not reflect what's goin on. the table was created to
give u a wrong impression of the game and misguide u. that's why it is so attractive and has so many nice options to bet.
but if u look at the wheel instead and according to the wheel layout use the table layout u may use it to your advantage.
that's just IMHO.
Quotethe table was created to give u a wrong impression of the game and misguide u
Agree 100%
Thanks for posting dear Turner.
Regarding:
Quote from: turnerfeck on Dec 14, 07:18 AM 2011
Forgot to add, a 0 pivot is ignored because it has no split.
There are some splits with 0:
0-1
0-2
0-3
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Maybe one can consider them in a variation of your system?
Cheers!
Vic
the table was created to give wrong immpression of the game....how do you know if numbers hit on wheel hits on table as well :question:
different areas hit on the wheel and the table. if roulette creators did not care about it they would
place numbers on the wheel in the same order as on the table. but the numbers were mixed by purpose.
because if for some reason temporary or consistent bias happens on the wheel it can be seen on the table as well. but if something like that happens now in roulette as it is u won't see it unless you watch the wheel and know the number order.
and now some guys will look at the table and see that let's say one street hits more than others
they think: oh! i can use that. but in reality some randomly placed numbers on the wheel hit more than others. Nothing to do with what really happens on the wheel. if for some reason some area on a wheel hits more than others u don't know it while looking at the table. Unless u keep the wheel layout in your head.
Quote from: iggiv on Dec 14, 02:38 PM 2011
different areas hit on the wheel and the table. if roulette creators did not care about it they would
place numbers on the wheel in the same order as on the table. but the numbers were mixed by purpose.
because if for some reason temporary or consistent bias happens on the wheel it can be seen on the table as well. but if something like that happens now in roulette as it is u won't see it unless you watch the wheel and know the number order.
and now some guys will look at the table and see that let's say one street hits more than others
they think: oh! i can use that. but in reality some randomly placed numbers on the wheel hit more than others. Nothing to do with what really happens on the wheel. if for some reason some area on a wheel hits more than others u don't know it while looking at the table. Unless u keep the wheel layout in your head.
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The argument could go both ways...if at casinos the table layout was the actual wheel layout instead of the current one, and if a dozen was streaking you would also find someone who would not see it if all he knew was the wheel layout. so, whatever the myriad of layouts chosen, someone not accustomed to a different layout would still miss an event that another person would see as obvious no, i don't think there was any malice intended in creating the current table layout... vundarosa
Vundarosa, my friend,
what you're really implying is that wheel layout was created just for fun of it? for no reason? did some of the roulette creators wake up in the morning and said to himself: "Why i won't mix the number on the wheel today? i am really bored"
:wink:
the truth is that long time ago when roulette wheels were created by very crude means, and manufactoring was not precise at all, wheel bias happened quite frequently. so when the wheel layout was in perfect numerical order, often certain streets and lines hit with consistent frequency, it was very easy to follow. Anyone could stand next to the table for a couple of hours and see that numbers say 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 hit frequently. that's why the layout was mixed. Watching bias became harder, at least u had to know the wheel layout to follow it. as simple as that. no fancy here, no legends.
no waking up in the morning and mixing layout just for fun.
and what i am telling u now is not just my idea. that's what i've read in a book written by some pro
Quote from: iggiv on Dec 14, 12:09 PM 2011
that's all is not bad, but i would like u to point in direction of the wheel layout. remember, the game does not happen on the table. the table does not reflect what's goin on. the table was created to
give u a wrong impression of the game and misguide u. that's why it is so attractive and has so many nice options to bet.
but if u look at the wheel instead and according to the wheel layout use the table layout u may use it to your advantage.
that's just In My Humble Opinion.
And your humble opinion is appreciated.
Basically, as I described, the law of the third acts on all numbers. splits, streets or wheel sectors.
The idea of this system is to some how marry the 2. The table has groups. Its just made easy to see because it sat there written out. Let me try a live experiment, and I wont cheat.
Some real spins from RX. German Casino somewhere.
34,21,27,33,2,10,14,35,14,14,3,31,33,28,35,7,27,22,
19,17,25,30,13,36,3,9,28,12,0,12,21,19,26,14,18,12,15
37 spins, 25 hit, 9 repeats, 12 unhit.
If I group into 4, so 1234,5678 its 9 groups with 0 in the last one.
The distribution in the first 9 is 1, 0,1,2,0,1,1,0,3 = 6 hit 3 unhit 2 repeat
Streets in the first 12 = 0,0,1,3,2,1,2,0,1,1,0,0 = 7 hit, 3 unhit, 3 repeats
Splits over 18=0,1,1,2,0,0,0,3,0,1,0,1,1,0,2,2,2,2 = 11 hit, 7 unhit, 6 repeat
I just see numbers following law of the third.
The table and the wheel are no different to me.
By the way, I checked the numbers in my lasy post. Red = pivot, green = win, LOL
34,21,27,33,2,10,14,35,14,14,3,31,33,28,35,7,27,22,
19,17,25,30,13,36,3,9,28,12,0,12,21,19,26,14,18,12,15
Quote from: turnerfeck on Dec 14, 05:43 PM 2011
By the way, I checked the numbers in my lasy post. Red = pivot, green = win, LoL
34,21,27,33,2,10,14,35,14,14,3,31,33,28,35,7,27,22,
19,17,25,30,13,36,3,9,28,12,0,12,21,19,26,14,18,12,15
Turner, quickie question in here...
How many spins (approximate) would you say you may have tested this baby?
(Your system = your baby! )
Just curious, since I'm always looking for systems with merit to consider coding and this one seems one :thumbsup:
Quote from: iggiv on Dec 14, 04:28 PM 2011
"Why i won't mix the number on the wheel today? i am really bored"
They did indeed got mixed from the very early roulette wheels up to now:
link:://roulettestudy.com/general-discussion/rare-roulette-wheel-(with-eagle)/ (link:://roulettestudy.com/general-discussion/rare-roulette-wheel-(with-eagle)/)
Vic
wow. i did know about "american eagle", but i have never seen it. and i did not know that
french roulette changed too
Quote from: VLS on Dec 14, 05:53 PM 2011
Turner, quickie question in here...
How many spins (approximate) would you say you may have tested this baby?
(Your system = your baby! )
Just curious, since I'm always looking for systems with merit to consider coding and this one seems one :thumbsup:
errr....about 100 pivots. No RNG.
Around 30 or so blocks of numbers. 20 are 180ish spins and 10 have been William hill at 60 spins
One time the run was 25 without a win, generally each pivot gives 2 wins, each around 7 spins each
not tested near enough.
Remember...this is a microcosm of other groups that could repeat off a specified trigger. Im just using a pivot then a split then some associated sectors.
I only thought of it 4 days ago !
It will goof....they all goof but its scarey to watch. It seems to do stuff. Do some manual tests
if u wanna test it seriously test it on different german wheels. and different days.
u know those lucky waves happen sometimes in a few wheels together on the same day.
sometimes even for a few days. it's incredible to see sometimes, u really think u r up to something and then it goes down in a few days. or just on other wheels.
Quote from: iggiv on Dec 14, 06:47 PM 2011
if u wanna test it seriously test it on different german wheels. and different days.
You know those lucky waves happen sometimes in a few wheels together on the same day.
sometimes even for a few days. it's incredible to see sometimes, u really think u r up to something and then it goes down in a few days. or just on other wheels.
Iggiv
I realise this. Im really in no rush, I just am fascinated with random numbers.
I do believe in the pivot number though, which of course, is the basis of the other system I posted, ball24 plus.
I think that even if this idea with Pivot splits is not correct, I am thinking in the right way.
Roulette, to me, is about patterns and distribution. About the chaos in the first 37 then the entropy as the numbers settle. Its seen in every day life...death and decay toards uniformity.
I follow buddhism closely and roulette numbers are continuously born and die I relate to what random numbers do in short periods.
Enough pontificating already!!
Turner.......
Quote from: turnerfeck on Dec 14, 11:52 AM 2011
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Hi Turner,
I like your Pivot splits idea. Is that a typo. in both cases of 1 and 4 being pivots?
Should 14 actually be 19? Ross.
Quote from: rossco on Dec 17, 05:16 AM 2011
Hi Turner,
I like your Pivot splits idea. Is that a typo. in both cases of 1 and 4 being pivots?
Should 14 actually be 19? Ross.
Well Spotted Ross, thanks
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The numbers on the wheel are also screwed up to give a wrong impression or delusion.
It doesn't mutter what you play, table #s or wheel #s once wins table and next time wheel. 50/50 game. The devil made it random as possible.
Hermes
a free man in a free country can think and say what he wants. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion.
Eppur si muove
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Belmondo, I agree with you 50%! In free country like USA or Canada you can think what you want but only until you go with it public! You know the homeland security? That's hidden dictatorship! Satellites control your games even during casino visits. Ha, ha, ha...
I got in contact with Pavlus on one forum and he is working on it...
Cheers Hermes