We shouldn't alow--as a sharing community-certain individuals
exercising theirs CON approach on this forum.
They are using all kind of CON tricks to make you -
LAMBS FOR THE SHEARING.
Be aware.
Please be more specific to whom you refer too, so we can be more diligent
Thank You :)
Quote from: Twisteruk on Aug 20, 02:37 PM 2010
Please be more specific to whom you refer too, so we can be more diligent
Thank You :)
Oh,no man---you all are adults,and can read between the lines.
We do not need to read hard to predict albalaha selling systems and consultancy and now Mr. Victor soliciting money in exchange of a betting service.
I am not opposed to funds to be donated strictly for forum maintenance, but I am opposed to the selling of products and consulting of roulette in the forum.
It reminds me Mr. Steve of previous VLSroulette forum that supposedly wins millions with teams of players at his disposal yet he has the need to sell roulette products.
Perhaps the winners do not win enough to avoid having to sell their services?
Software such as Roulette Xtreme is fair. People should be good to pay for testing software but ultimately they must call the bets based on their own tests results and not on a system or service sold to them that is faulty because it had to be sold to make a profit to the creator.
I hope I am not banned for saying this.
WannaWin
Is it not about choice ?
I will choose to try Victor's free service when it launch's. If its good I will choose to pay. If it is not, I wont.
Simple choice in my opinion :thumbsup:
We've been through this before so I'm not going to repeat myself. What irritates me is that F_LAT_INO doesn't come out and say "There are persons X and Y whom I have reason to believe are running some kind of scam, and here is the evidence". No, he just makes vague accusations so everyone is wondering who it is and what they're supposed to have done. It helps no-one and just makes everyone wary and distrustful for no good reason.
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 21, 03:37 PM 2010
We've been through this before so I'm not going to repeat myself. What irritates me is that F_LAT_INO doesn't come out and say "There are persons X and Y whom I have reason to believe are running some kind of scam, and here is the evidence". No, he just makes vague accusations so everyone is wondering who it is and what they're supposed to have done. It helps no-one and just makes everyone wary and distrustful for no good reason.
I agree 100% Bayes
I dont like vague. Never have.
Be specific or say nothing at all :thumbsup:
Quote from: WannaWin on Aug 21, 03:11 PM 2010
and now Mr. Victor soliciting money in exchange of a betting service.
Hello dear WannaWin,
If it delivers a good hit rate then it can't be labeled a scam, but a legitimate service. One for which members would be happy to pay for since they are getting value for their $1 dollar per session.
I invite you to have an extensive free test when it comes up later this month.
Quote from: WannaWin on Aug 21, 03:11 PM 2010
I hope I am not banned for saying this.
WannaWin
Don't worry; you are not going to be banned. You are expressing your mind and it is okay that people have doubts before the release of the tool. I hope they get dissipated by trying. It isn't a subjective method after all. It is deterministic so you can clearly say if it works or it doesn't and I won't (and can't) excuse myself on the traditional: "you didn't apply the method right", because there is nothing to "apply".
Simply entering the numbers on the page and getting your predictions from the tool.
This works to the benefit of the members.
When confronted, some system sellers just say: "you didn't looked for the proper roulette wheel to apply it", "you deviated from the system's rules" or after being too confronted, they launch a new version that "works this time" (geez, it reminds me of the IBS "infallible system"... currently in version
8 (!))
What I offer is really straightforward, really black and white. If it works it works, if it doesn't it doesn't. I offer a sufficiently large free trial, currently appointed Bayes to make a software that tests people's actuals in an automated fashion so in one day they could test all their personal actuals and get a win-to-lose average without having to spend hours entering numbers manually.
At least nobody can accuse me of not being transparent with it. How many "scammers" are willing to offer this kind of free trial ;)
Regards.
Victor
Quote from: VLS on Aug 21, 03:54 PM 2010
I won't (and can't) excuse myself on the traditional: "you didn't apply the method right", because there is nothing to "apply".
Bravo Victor! How refreshing it is to hear this. :)
Key Word:
transparent
Very well said Victor :thumbsup:
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 21, 03:58 PM 2010
How refreshing it is to hear this. :)
It would actually be detrimental to have any human intervention on it. Statistical averages are not open to interpretation.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Aug 21, 03:59 PM 2010
Key Word:
transparent
Absoutelly. Let's time be the judge.
Time always places everyone where they should be after all :)
Cheers!
Quote from: VLS on Aug 21, 04:00 PM 2010
It would actually be detrimental to have any human intervention on it. Statistical averages are not open to interpretation.
yes, YES,
YES! :D
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 21, 03:37 PM 2010
We've been through this before so I'm not going to repeat myself. What irritates me is that F_LAT_INO doesn't come out and say "There are persons X and Y whom I have reason to believe are running some kind of scam, and here is the evidence". No, he just makes vague accusations so everyone is wondering who it is and what they're supposed to have done. It helps no-one and just makes everyone wary and distrustful for no good reason.
Dear Bayes,
If you read my recent comments and private sections arguments with these guys/which you evidently didn't/then you will certainly know whom am I talking about.You kind of act like naive angel,as if you don't know about it.You are not blind I hope,or either you don't read all threads throughouly.I DO.Amen
FYI, I haven't read EVERY post on this forum, so I may have missed your comments. And why didn't you point this out to Twisteruk when he asked you to be more specific? all you said was "we are all adults and can read between the lines" ???
F_LAT_INO,
i think you're a good and kind man and care about others. But a problem with you (IMHO) is you're too JUMPY in your conclusions. U hardly tolerate other people opinions when they contradict yours. And those opinions you count as personal insults of a kind. Even if they have nothing to do with your personality. So you mix in your mind roulette approach of some people and their personal behaviour. Like that: " this guy says my methods are not good and can't win, he does it because all he wants to do is just to disturb me and others playing roulette, he wants to create troubles for us, he does not want to contribute to this forum etc"
this is a big mistake of yours. This way you don't help to defeat the game, on the contrary this approach to discussion creates quarrels. People start pointing fingers at each other, and blaming each other. That's how good discussions turn into fight.
I know it is not your purpose, I am sure that you wanna help people and you're convinced that
u know how. The problem is some other people think the same and you cannot convince them start thinking like you and agree with you in everything.
our problem is that people can't put up with other opinions. So why not put aside just blaming people and let's keep arguing with them ONLY ON ROULETTE METHODS, without finger- pointing at their behaviour.
U think Bayes' approach to the game is wrong? Show please exactly where he is wrong .
But please stop saying "U don't contribute to this forum". It is too easy to say it to too many people here. I got some of the sort from you too. And some more.
So let's stop it right there, my friend.
I am sure we can get along fine if we want to.
about Victor's software. Free sessions and then one dollar for a session is nothing to pay even if u lost. Play small units. If u lose 3 sessions in a row, c'mon, forget about it, u lost some pennies, u lost 3 bucks.
this is a win-win or lose-lose situation. if we win we all win including Victor and then we can win big. If we lose we lose very little. Except Victor himself losing time. but we won't lose much money on it.
Very Well Said iggiv :thumbsup:
We can bet 1p/1c units on Victors free trial and if we lose, as you say, its pennies
The only person that will "lose" is Victor for the amount of time and effort he is putting into this Service if it doesnt work as he intends it to
Anyway lets wait and hope Victor is as good as most of us think he is :thumbsup:
iggiv I agree 100% with U.
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 22, 03:24 AM 2010And why didn't you point this out to Twisteruk when he asked you to be more specific? all you said was "we are all adults and can read between the lines" ???
The scammers tend to be literally "between the lines"... in every other reply in every other thread.
Other than the admin's/mod's, of course.
of course :thumbsup: