Does your faith play a role in your gambling? I know when I first started, as a Christian it came to me I should exercise self-control. (Bible, Prov. 16:32).
As an Agnostic ultra-conservative Republican I must confess that the only faith I have is in the odds displayed at every Roulette table; they don't change no matter how good of a person you are or if you are a mass murderer.
They don't change if you pray or if you offer a human sacrifice.
They don't change if you wear a white collar around your neck or a bow-tie.
Faith in a supreme being can't help you with Roulette.
Sorry to break the news to the true believers.
But I believe many here put faith in the silly idea that Roulette can be broken - it can't folks......
I consider the money I lose and the poor I could have helped. Not a good enough person to quit and help them in the future; I'll still gamble.
....and then there's the guy with the $75,000 worth of bass fishing equipment. And the guy who spends, what, $500; $1,000, on a new driver. And the woman who pays $25,000 for a face lift and is still ugly.
I consider what little I lose as a form of entertainment. My preacher drives a $50,000 pick-up and he could be driving a Kia and give the difference to the poor.
We only get to Christian heaven by the Grace of God, anyway.
And while God doesn't help me win, He's there with me betting virtual.
TCS
Quote from: MauiSunset on May 05, 02:02 PM 2012
As an Agnostic ultra-conservative Republican I must confess that the only faith I have is in the odds displayed at every Roulette table; they don't change no matter how good of a person you are or if you are a mass murderer.
They don't change if you pray or if you offer a human sacrifice.
They don't change if you wear a white collar around your neck or a bow-tie.
Faith in a supreme being can't help you with Roulette.
Sorry to break the news to the true believers.
But I believe many here put faith in the silly idea that Roulette can be broken - it can't folks......
Then why post at a ROULETTE FORUM?
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on May 05, 03:12 PM 2012
Then why post at a ROULETTE FORUM?
Ken
Balance.....
Can you be more specific other than just a one word answer?
It would be like.....posting at an Irish Food forum but you are NOT Irish and you hate Irish food. It would make ZERO sense to post there.
Usually (not always), the "you cant win crowd" have put in a total of 9 hours testing/studying roulette methods. After the 9 hours...."f**k it, I give up". ::)
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on May 05, 03:38 PM 2012
Can you be more specific other than just a one word answer?
It would be like.....posting at an Irish Food forum but you are NOT Irish and you hate Irish food. It would make ZERO sense to post there.
Usually (not always), the "you can't win crowd" have put in a total of 9 hours testing/studying roulette methods. After the 9 hours...."f**k it, I give up". ::)
Ken
Most here believe that Roulette "can be beaten" - no proof is ever offered nor is there just ONE scientific paper proving this claim. This falls into the category of "faith" - something has has absolutely no scientific proof but folks want to believe in it for various reasons - kind of like Santa Claus.
I'm just a Roulette gambler that believes the best you can do at Roulette or any game of chance, where you are playing against the casino, is the stated odds.
For whatever reason folks believe in the opposite - I consider myself the other side of the crazy belief that "Roulette can be beaten".
If you have proof in the insane idea that "Roulette can be beaten" please present it - I can't wait..............
"I'm just a Roulette gambler that believes the best you can do at Roulette or any game of chance, where you are playing against the casino, is the stated odds" >>> Yes but we *ALREADY* know where you stand on this issue, so AGAIN, your POINT of posting here is what?
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on May 05, 03:50 PM 2012
"I'm just a Roulette gambler that believes the best you can do at Roulette or any game of chance, where you are playing against the casino, is the stated odds" >>> Yes but we *ALREADY* know where you stand on this issue, so AGAIN, your POINT of posting here is what?
Ken
Oh, I get it - this is a debating trick.
OK, well then answer me this - why do you post here if you can't prove what you believe in? Show me the proof that Roulette "can be beaten". You know you can't and have to deflect that question with silly questions.
Can't wait for the same question - I will just reference back to this post.....
Come on you've got to be better at debating this using this old trick....
You seem to be low on sleep or something, lets try again....
YOU >> You have *ALREADY* stated (many times) that roulette can not be beat ('beat' is open to interpretation by the way). So if we know your view (I do respect your view), *WHY* continue with the same message? Its a SIMPLE question, no tricks.
WE >> Continue to discuss, share, test, play, study etc. methods. Your VIEW does not/will not slow us down. We (in general) do NOT say...."all method players win at this game and you can't".
I have brought this point up dozens of times before >> I find it strange that the "you can't win crowd" will continue on and on and on with their message (you gain nothing repeating yourself) BUT the folks who study methods, simply post......"here is my idea guys, try it out if you wish".
That's all, very little jamming it down other posters throats. In a weird way, the "you can't win crowd" feel threatened or something, odd as hell is all I'm saying. Now I'll watch your next 25 posts and MOST of them will be....."You can't win at roulette", okay, we know your view and we thank you for it. :thumbsup:
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on May 05, 04:16 PM 2012
You seem to be low on sleep or something, lets try again....
YOU >> You have *ALREADY* stated (many times) that roulette can not be beat ('beat' is open to interpretation by the way). So if we know your view (I do respect your view), *WHY* continue with the same message? Its a SIMPLE question, no tricks.
WE >> Continue to discuss, share, test, play, study etc. methods. Your VIEW does not/will not slow us down. We (in general) do NOT say...."all method players win at this game and you can't".
I have brought this point up dozens of times before >> I find it strange that the "you can't win crowd" will continue on and on and on with their message (you gain nothing repeating yourself) BUT the folks who study methods, simply post......"here is my idea guys, try it out if you wish".
that's it, very little jamming it down other posters throats. In a weird way, the "you can't win crowd" feel threatened or something, odd as hell is all I'm saying. Now I'll watch your next 25 posts and MOST of them will be....."you can't win at roulette", okay, we know your view and thank you for it. :thumbsup:
Ken
You sound paranoid to me.....
Wouldn't 'paranoid' be....posting the SAME message (you cant win) over and over again? I'll make you a GREAT OFFER !!!
If you never post here again, I'll put in my SIGNATURE, your name and your message of...."you cant win at roulette".
Deal? I dont see a big difference sir. Your SAME message will be getting out and it saves you a ton of time posting in the future. Think it over and get back to me on that.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on May 05, 04:22 PM 2012
Wouldn't 'paranoid' be....posting the SAME message (you can't win) over and over again? I'll make you a GREAT OFFER !!!
If you never post here again, I'll put in my SIGNATURE, your name and your message of...."you can't win at roulette".
Deal? I don't see a big difference sir. Your SAME message will be getting out and it saves you a ton of time posting in the future. Think it over and get back to me on that.
Ken
Like I said you, sound paranoid - maybe you know something we don't???
Quote from: MauiSunset on May 05, 04:24 PM 2012
Like I said you, sound paranoid - maybe you know something we don't???
....and you see, your MESSAGE continues on.
So the ANSWER to my offer is what? ......YES or NO?
Ken
The ***ONLY*** people who continue on with...."you cant win" have been burned quite heavily in the past and this is their way of venting. It does not put the lost money back in their pocket but it makes them feel a little better, misery loves company.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on May 05, 04:29 PM 2012
....and you see, your MESSAGE continues on.
So the ANSWER to my offer is what? ......YES or NO?
Ken
Sounds like you are desperate to not debate the silly idea that "Roulette can be beaten".
As long as I follow the rules I have just as much right to debate here as you "believers" do.
So no, I thought you ran away from debating here - why don't you just go away again?
You did delete my posts in the past because you could not withstand the debate - sounds like nothing has changed.
Come on, you are being silly in front of anyone here who dares not agree with your incorrect views of the world.....
Quote from: MrJ on May 05, 04:32 PM 2012
The ***ONLY*** people who continue on with...."you can't win" have been burned quite heavily in the past and this is their way of venting. It does not put the lost money back in their pocket but it makes them feel a little better, misery loves company.
Ken
What in the world are you mumbling about?
I have stated that the best anyone can do is duplicate the Roulette odds - over a long period of time. However, Roulette is an excellent way to build up comps for pennies on the dollars.....
Over years, I have noticed a trend with the "you cant win crowd". (Snowman/Herb is one such example)
Why is it, 'they' also just so happen to be the SAME guys that answer questions the least?
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on May 05, 04:36 PM 2012
Over years, I have noticed a trend with the "you can't win crowd". (Snowman/Herb is one such example)
Why is it, 'they' also just so happen to be the SAME guys that answer questions the least?
Ken
Ken, I feel sorry for you - I really do.
You are gambling under the false notion that you can make a killing by playing Roulette - it can't be done over the long run. Sure, in a single spin or a day of spins you can do very well but eventually you will give all that money back.
You know that since you know that proving your point "Roulette can be beaten" has never been proved in 200+ years of Roulette history.
But I believed in Santa Claus once too.....
Quote from: MauiSunset on May 05, 04:36 PM 2012
What in the world are you mumbling about?
I have stated that the best anyone can do is duplicate the Roulette odds - over a long period of time. However, Roulette is an excellent way to build up comps for pennies on the dollars.....
Ok, so in addition to your advice (above) and......"we cant win", your POINT of being here is what? If I read all of your posts, what NEW information might there be? Have you posted any type of ways to play (not beat) this game?
I'm still waiting regarding my offer.....YES or NO?
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on May 05, 04:41 PM 2012
Ok, so in addition to your advice (above) and......"we can't win", your POINT of being here is what? If I read all of your posts, what NEW information might there be? Have you posted any type of ways to play (not beat) this game?
I'm still waiting regarding my offer.....YES or NO?
Ken
Ken, chill out......
Quote from: MauiSunset on May 05, 04:39 PM 2012
Ken, I feel sorry for you - I really do.
You are gambling under the false notion that you can make a killing by playing Roulette - it can't be done over the long run. Sure, in a single spin or a day of spins you can do very well but eventually you will give all that money back.
You know that since you know that proving your point "Roulette can be beaten" has never been proved in 200+ years of Roulette history.
But I believed in Santa Claus once too.....
and yet again >> "You are gambling under the false notion that you can make a killing by playing Roulette - it can't be done".
Do you have any NEW posts regarding your VIEW on this game?
Ken
Quote from: MauiSunset on May 05, 04:41 PM 2012
Ken, chill out......
Is chill out code for.....NO, regarding my offer? Still waiting.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on May 05, 04:43 PM 2012
and yet again >> "You are gambling under the false notion that you can make a killing by playing Roulette - it can't be done".
Do you have any NEW posts regarding your VIEW on this game?
Ken
Yes, that's what I'm posting about.
Ken, you are just too agitated at someone who believes you are totally wrong in your views of Roulette.
(How long do you think we can keep up this silly game? To the OP, I'm just answering an administrators questions here)
Question for you....take a guess how many message boards I'm on regarding subjects I DON'T BELIEVE IN?
Come on guess !!
I'll answer it for you.....NONE. What would be the purpose of it? Lets say I dont believe in ghosts but I join a...."I saw a ghost" forum. If you think about it, all I have to do is post ONE TIME, I dont believe in ghosts and then NEVER post there again. Why would I post my SAME message over and over again?
Ken
Quote from: MauiSunset on May 05, 04:46 PM 2012
Yes, that's what I'm posting about.
Ken, you are just too agitated at someone who believes you are totally wrong in your views of Roulette.
(How long do you think we can keep up this silly game? To the OP, I'm just answering an administrators questions here)
and yet again >> "someone who believes you are totally wrong in your views of Roulette".
We got this already....is there ANYTHING NEW....you want to add to this?
Ken
You have 198 posts. If I had the time, I would LOVE to read them all and see what the percent is regarding...."you cant win".
I'll bet its around 85%.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on May 05, 05:01 PM 2012
You have 198 posts. If I had the time, I would LOVE to read them all and see what the percent is regarding...."you can't win".
I'll bet its around 85%.
Ken
Wow Ken, you sound agitated - might I suggest an adult beverage tonight and just mellow out tonight?
I'm just one guy, imagine if two of us believed that "Beating Roulette" was another Santa Claus?
Maybe milk and cookies around the fireplace might be better?
Quote from: MauiSunset on May 05, 05:21 PM 2012
Wow Ken, you sound agitated - might I suggest an adult beverage tonight and just mellow out tonight?
I'm just one guy, imagine if two of us believed that "Beating Roulette" was another Santa Claus?
Maybe milk and cookies around the fireplace might be better?
There it is AGAIN >> "imagine if two of us believed that "Beating Roulette" was another Santa Claus"?
Same two questions.....is there anything NEW you want to add to your view point? What about my offer? YES or NO? Any answers to these?
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on May 05, 05:38 PM 2012
There it is AGAIN >> "imagine if two of us believed that "Beating Roulette" was another Santa Claus"?
Same two questions.....is there anything NEW you want to add to your view point? What about my offer? YES or NO? Any answers to these?
Ken
Ken, I'll tell you what - you prove to me and everyone here that "Roulette is Beatable" and I'll spend the next week at the Bellagio and make a million dollars, make that a billion dollars.
Until you can, I'm going to advocate my viewpoint - you are 100% wrong and can't prove to anyone that Roulette is Beatable. In the short run you may do better or worse than the odds table but over a long period of time you will do exactly what they say - at the best, as long as you don't do completely stupid things with money management.
You somehow think I have something to prove to you - I'm just stating that the odds are correct and you are totally wrong.
It's you that are saying that the odds of Roulette bend to your will - which is impossible.
How about that for new information?
What is the HARM if people want to discuss roulette methods etc.?
Also, I thought a few months ago (on your site) you were gonna post a method? Am I wrong on this? If I am wrong, then your site is no different than your posts here...."you cant win" is the theme......the ONLY theme.
You mean to tell me, you are so bitter, you own and run a site commited to telling people...."you cant win"?
Wow, somebody burned you bad. I dont know when or what casino or how much money but you are pissed, no question about it.
Ken
The one you play with 2 zeros maybe not,but euro roulette
is beatable couse am doing it for years regulary.You wana
proof????? But not showing you how to beat it,instead my
visits to best casinos in the world in last 20 years or so.
But again the story from you would be same.
Roulette is unbeatable....for you personally yes....
Quote from: MrJ on May 05, 06:14 PM 2012
What is the HARM if people want to discuss roulette methods etc.?
Also, I thought a few months ago (on your site) you were gonna post a method? Am I wrong on this? If I am wrong, then your site is no different than your posts here...."you can't win" is the theme......the ONLY theme.
You mean to tell me, you are so bitter, you own and run a site commited to telling people...."you can't win"?
Wow, somebody burned you bad. I don't know when or what casino or how much money but you are pissed, no question about it.
Ken
Ken, cheap debating tricks - throw up something and I'm supposed to defend it.
On my website, you have to earn higher levels of membership to see the various systems which are not guaranteed to "Beat Roulette" but to help you keep near the posted odds. There is so little interest in Roulette that I doubt anyone will bring something to add to the conversation and make it to the next membership level.
That's the problem with folks - they want something for no work - a problem with Europe and America. I don't sell any Roulette related products nor allow any advertising for those worthless systems.
If something is free that's exactly what's it's worth - nothing.............
Quote from: vile on May 05, 06:21 PM 2012
The one you play with 2 zeros maybe not,but euro roulette
is beatable couse am doing it for years regulary.You wana
proof? ??? ? But not showing you how to beat it,instead my
visits to best casinos in the world in last 20 years or so.
But again the story from you would be same.
Roulette is unbeatable....for you personally yes....
I don't want to challenge you - maybe you are the luckiest guy on Earth.
However, NO math exists to change the fixed odds of winning at Roulette.
That's what all this is about - the crazy idea that the odds for Roulette can be changed if you use some super secret math or program or gizmo.
The odds for winning Red or Black are 18 divided by 37 for a European wheel and 38 for an American wheel.
If you want to do better than the odds of 48.7% or 47.4% you have to increase the number of colored slots in the wheel or decrease the overall total number of non colored slots.
It's up to folks who claim that the odds can be manipulated to prove 200 years of odds wrong.....
Quote from: MauiSunset on May 05, 06:23 PM 2012
Ken, cheap debating tricks - throw up something and I'm supposed to defend it.
On my website, you have to earn higher levels of membership to see the various systems which are not guaranteed to "Beat Roulette" but to help you keep near the posted odds. There is so little interest in Roulette that I doubt anyone will bring something to add to the conversation and make it to the next membership level.
That's the problem with folks - they want something for no work - a problem with Europe and America. I don't sell any Roulette related products nor allow any advertising for those worthless systems.
If something is free that's exactly what's it's worth - nothing.............
For starters, I have NEVER used the word BEAT. Second, you want to talk about 'cheap debating tricks', how about your BS...."higher levels of membership to see the various systems". ::)
Lets be honest, your only point of being here is to spread fear and bring others down. Man the f**k up and admit that. What is your answer regarding my offer? YES or NO? Its not a trick, if no interest, just say NO.
Ken
You never answered me >> What is the HARM if people want to discuss/study roulette methods etc.?
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on May 05, 06:42 PM 2012
You never answered me >> What is the HARM if people want to discuss/study roulette methods etc.?
Ken
None at all - there are plenty of UFO sites that debate little green men too; those folks are dead serious also.
Go right ahead - I simply ask you to produce your little green man (a metaphor).........
So who has ET in their pocket?????
Quote from: MauiSunset on May 05, 06:46 PM 2012
None at all - there are plenty of UFO sites that debate little green men too; those folks are dead serious also.
Go right ahead - I simply ask you to produce your little green man (a metaphor).........
So who has ET in their pocket? ??? ?
Okay, you said "none at all". We're making some progress, baby steps with you I guess.
If there is NO HARM (as you agreed to), then WHY press your "you can't win" view? What do you GAIN, for repeating the SAME message? If 20 of us want to discuss a roulette method idea, what do you *LOSE* if we do so?
Ken
Question...
Would you say you are an advantage player (cough)?
You did mention a higher LEVEL at your site. Does this mean its called a SYSTEM (method)? If yes, would it pass a 400 million spin trial test? If it would not pass, what makes THAT method any better than others that are posted? I did NOT ask you for the details of it so dont even try that BS.
Ken
mauisunset if you can bet 37 # and make 19 dollars profit each spin have i beaten roulette? ps if you want this stratagie send me a million dollars and maybe i share it with you. :twisted:
Quote from: MrJ on May 05, 06:59 PM 2012
Question...
Would you say you are an advantage player (cough)?
You did mention a higher LEVEL at your site. Does this mean its called a SYSTEM (method)? If yes, would it pass a 400 million spin trial test? If it would not pass, what makes THAT method any better than others that are posted? I did NOT ask you for the details of it so don't even try that BS.
Ken
Advantage players may have existed 200 years ago when Roulette wheels were out of balance, and the dealer could share in your winnings under the table. Today there is NO AP at all - zip, zilch, nada.
Everything I know about Roulette is in the 9 YouTube videos I produced - basically you play the odds and don't do stupid things like negative progressions and using your money on anything but EC bets and using any winnings on higher risk bets.
There is no secret system - just a simple way of using your chips to keep track of your current position since I always play 2 different strategies at the same time; both are just betting on the odds.
I think that anyone who goes through the 9 videos has all they need to equal the odds of Roulette - basically the house get's 5% of your money over the long haul.
Your job is get more comps than the 5% you lose.
That's how you win at Roulette - with comps.
Beyond that folks are lying, fooling themselves, or extremely lucky at doing better at Roulette.
That's all I'm saying to folks - if I can keep you from doing stupid things at the table and understand that you make your money with comps then I've helped someone in their Roulette experience.....
Quote from: warrior on May 05, 07:46 PM 2012
mauisunset if you can bet 37 # and make 19 dollars profit each spin have i beaten roulette? ps if you want this strategies send me a million dollars and maybe i share it with you. :twisted:
Not sure what you mean but if the best the odds say you can do is 5% less than breaking even over the long run then that's what your ultimate goal is. You have to make much more in comps than that 5% loss.
If Roulette can be beaten it would have been done long ago and there would be no Roulette wheels in the casino.
Quote from: MauiSunset on May 05, 07:51 PM 2012
Not sure what you mean but if the best the odds say you can do is 5% less than breaking even over the long run then that's what your ultimate goal is. You have to make much more in comps than that 5% loss.
If Roulette can be beaten it would have been done long ago and there would be no Roulette wheels in the casino.
Steve beats the tables with his hybrid ,so it has been done many time.you just need BALLS and money to buy the hybrid.
Quote from: MauiSunset on May 05, 07:51 PM 2012
Not sure what you mean but if the best the odds say you can do is 5% less than breaking even over the long run then that's what your ultimate goal is. You have to make much more in comps than that 5% loss.
If Roulette can be beaten it would have been done long ago and there would be no Roulette wheels in the casino.
That thing about Comps is all BS.
You don't have to play roulette for Comps.
Looser paradigm, thats all.
Quote from: albertojonas on May 05, 08:02 PM 2012
That thing about Comps is all BS.
You don't have to play roulette for Comps.
loser paradigm, that's all.
COMPS ARE LIKE PENUTS TO MONKEY.
For 200 years folks have been "Beating Roulette"?
That's why the casinos have the Roulette tables - to hand money to the gamblers.
Right.
Come on folks, Roulette is an excellent way to move a lot of money around and get comps worth thousands of dollars..................
I play 37# and the dealer hands me 19 dollars for every spin.i dont need comps just money, :-X but i will never tell.
Quote from: MauiSunset on May 05, 07:49 PM 2012
Advantage players may have existed 200 years ago when Roulette wheels were out of balance, and the dealer could share in your winnings under the table. Today there is NO Advantage-play at all - zip, zilch, nada.
Everything I know about Roulette is in the 9 YouTube videos I produced - basically you play the odds and don't do silly things like negative progressions and using your money on anything but EC bets and using any winnings on higher risk bets.
There is no secret system - just a simple way of using your chips to keep track of your current position since I always play 2 different strategies at the same time; both are just betting on the odds.
I think that anyone who goes through the 9 videos has all they need to equal the odds of Roulette - basically the house get's 5% of your money over the long haul.
Your job is get more comps than the 5% you lose.
That's how you win at Roulette - with comps.
Beyond that folks are lying, fooling themselves, or extremely lucky at doing better at Roulette.
That's all I'm saying to folks - if I can keep you from doing silly things at the table and understand that you make your money with comps then I've helped someone in their Roulette experience.....
Comps? Your entire existance on this board is over comps?
BS
I am the living proof that Roulette can be beat every time I set out to beat it. Yes,
Mathematics proves that Roulette can't be beat. That was Eintiens' mistake. He
used mathematics. I don't. I never will. Anyone that sets out to beat Roulette
with mathematics will fail also. There are no individuals on this forum smarter
than Einstein. So they will all fail if they attempt to use mathematics.
Hello Ken,
I have a friend who behaves like that. Whenever he want to learn something desperately from you he will not ask. Perhaps due to his ego or he wants to show he is superior. He will use the same tactic which I call "reverse psychology." He will purposely set up illogical arguments with you and going all out to prove you wrong.
The motive is for you to beg him in order for you to teach him what he desperately want to learn. He will gain if we play his game. The best solution is to tell him ,"I agree with you, no system work," and continue making more and be happy.
Regards
Hello Gizmo,
I strongly believe your approach to roulette works. I have learned from your post and picked up some of your concept over the years. I have tested it and use it in B&M casino and it's profitable.
Thanks & Regards
Quote from: sniper on May 05, 10:32 PM 2012
Hello Gizmo,
I strongly believe your approach to roulette works. I have learned from your post and picked up some of your concept over the years. I have tested it and use it in B&M casino and it's profitable.
Thanks & Regards
Thanks. The most profitable weakness in Roulette is the elegant pattern. I wish many
of these on everyone here.
Quote from: MauiSunset on May 05, 10:37 PM 2012
You guys are delusional - anyone listening to you locos deserves the loss that awaits them.
Prove that mathematics is the only way to lose.
Quote from: Gizmotron on May 05, 10:43 PM 2012
Prove that mathematics is the only way to lose.
What?
You want me to prove that 2 + 2 does not equal 4?
Good grief you are loony.....
Hello Gizmo,
A person stayed in the same house for 20 years and knows every corner. He can even move around in the darkest night without having to switch on the light. One day there was fire burning in the house and thick smoke soon filled up the whole place. He panicked and can't even find the main door out, despite having stayed there for so long .He was shocked and filled with fear, he gave up and desperately hoped someone will save him.
The situation was chaotic. The "trained" firemen arrived, they saw the fire and thick smoke. Their confident grew, the picked up their gears, planned the moves and got into the burning house to save the poor guy. In any chaotic or random situation, there is a clear direction or trend. Trained person will see what the majority can't see. The trained firemen can see the way into a burning building where the rest panic and shouting and running in chaos.
Regards
Quote from: MauiSunset on May 05, 10:46 PM 2012
What?
You want me to prove that 2 + 2 does not equal 4?
Good grief you are loony.....
I see. You can't prove anything. I tried to tell you that you are a fundamentalist. Ken
has done a perfect job of illustrating that. Thanks Ken. BTW - I am the proof you have
demanded. Lucky you. You were lucky enough to have met me. You know, 200 years
and all that. I would advise you to stop fooling yourself. We all know you are lying
about getting comps that are higher than your wacky beliefs. You live in a glass
house. We all see it.
Quote from: MauiSunset on May 05, 11:04 PM 2012
Folks, math is math and Gizmo and others that claim to be smarter than Einstein have a problem with reality and have take up residence here - if you listen to them you deserve to lose every penny that will surely be lost to the casino.
Not one person here can prove that the 200+ year old posted Roulette odds can be changed - only in their tormented mind does that happen.....
It's your demented argument that I have changed the odds or that I'm smarter than Einstein.
You are a fundamentalist. You are incapable of seeing the issues that most people relate to
effortlessly. Its not a big deal. Many people are fundamentalist.
MauiSunset - chant this mantra : Roulette can't be beaten with mathematics. The odds
never change. Not in 200 years.
Quote from: MauiSunset on May 05, 11:31 PM 2012
Folks, I want you to pay attention to all those that claim they have "Broken Roulette" - they must use insane ideas and theories, or super secret concepts, in order for them to break Roulette.
No simple math, no simple ideas, just wacko ideas and claims since what they claim is insane.
In their book it takes insanity to explain their brilliance.............total whack jobs all of them.......
What a feeble attempt to garner a cult of personality. Take notice that mauiSunset does
not see his blind side. A defence mechanism from a fundamentalist is one of the most
pathetic displays of immature behavior known to mankind. That's why he depends on
his basic misunderstanding of things as some kind of religious belief. Now he sees
himself as some kind of forum savior.
Definition of Faith please?
My own definition >>> Faith is sustained effort.
So according to my definition of faith it plays a significant role in my gambling. Without it I would have ceded defeat many years ago.
Faith is simply wishful thinking.
As a gambler, I have faith in mathematics.
As a pilot, I have faith in the instruments as I fly at night.
As an American, I have faith that America will once again be the beacon and not the cesspool of humanity.
Just warm fuzzy feelings that really mean nothing but add comfort to our lives....
"As a pilot" you say.
You could not have been a pilot in 1902. Until the write's flew, man knew you could not fly.
Imagine the write's keeping the secret of flight all to themselves. Now imagine a successful roulette pro keeping his secret all to himself. Now flip it over. See how the write's gain and the player loses.
THIS PROGRAM IS DOING THE MISSPELLING. I'VE CORRECTED IT TWICE
Don't think for a moment casinos wouldn't modify their rules to counteract a winner. Bet Voyager is a fine example. BJ after Thorpe is an example.
So I believe---and cannot prove----there are people out there making money at roulette. That is my faith as far as roulette goes.
Thanks for your input. You serve as a reminder of how difficult the game is. You also inspire us, but it is wasted inspiration. If I ever beat the wheel, you and no one but close family members will ever know it.
Kinda like a line from the original Superman:
Pa Kent to the young Superman (paraphrased)
You can do all these wonderful things and you're about to bust a gut wanting to show someone.
I suspect--faith--there are roulette players everywhere about to bust a gut.
TwoCat
Quote from: MauiSunset on May 06, 08:13 AM 2012
The oldest documented flight of man occurred on November 23, 1783 in France - a hot air balloon. They beat the write Brothers flight on December 17, 1903 so mankind had faith that another form of flight would be possible for 120 years before it actually happened. The US Patent for the their aircraft was #821,393
Yuri Gargarin was the first human to reach Earth orbit on April 12, 1961 just 58 years after the write Brothers' first flight. The Russians (USSR) had faith that they could reach orbit.
All of these leaps of faith were based on sound science and math.
Then we have the Roulette wackos that believe they are smarter than all the above folks - they have faith in Voodoo science at best.
Give me a break.......
write Brothers - I did spell their name correct (W-r-i-g-h-t) - this wacko version of SMF is changing the spelling - I've seen this happen many times here....
Quote from: MauiSunset on May 06, 08:13 AM 2012
Then we have the Roulette wackos that believe they are smarter than all the above folks - they have faith in Voodoo science at best.
That's just faith in your own tired beliefs. Yes, the world is flat.We all know.
Quote from: Gizmotron on May 06, 09:47 AM 2012
That's just faith in your own tired beliefs. Yes, the world is flat.We all know.
So you believe the world is flat - good grief.....
Quote from: MauiSunset on May 06, 09:50 AM 2012
So you believe the world is flat - good grief....
Didn't you get the memo? Some agnostic like you tried to convince everyone
that we all live on the inside of a big ball. That the stars and planets are all
on the inside. He even used math to prove it. ...just like you.
Quote from: Gizmotron on May 06, 10:06 AM 2012
Didn't you get the memo? Some agnostic like you tried to convince everyone
that we all live on the inside of a big ball. That the stars and planets are all
on the inside. He even used math to prove it. ...just like you.
I think the moral of the story is that if you use faith in any way, other than known mathematics and physics, in Roulette gambling you are a fool and deserve to lose all the money you have lost....
Quote from: MauiSunset on May 06, 10:16 AM 2012
I think the moral of the story is that if you use faith in any way, other than known mathematics and physics, in Roulette gambling you are a fool and deserve to lose all the money you have lost....
Take that from a guy that thinks that the comps are paid at a rate higher than the
house's advantage of 5.4%.
Quote from: Gizmotron on May 06, 10:21 AM 2012
Take that from a guy that thinks that the comps are paid at a rate higher than the
house's advantage of 5.4%.
Well ya.....
Quote from: MauiSunset on May 06, 10:24 AM 2012
Well ya.....
I doubt that mauiSunset has ever been to the casinos that he claims he has.
Do the math. Even if he can still find a 40% comp rate he's still in deep trouble
with the simple arithmetic. He claims he uses $1,000 bets on the EC's. At 5.4%
he should lose a little more than $1,000 for every 20 bets. At 30 spins per hour,
that comes to at least $1500 per hour. His comp, at best, only comes to $400
per hour. Do the math. Even if his comp rate was 100% he would still lose more
than $500 per hour. MauiSunset is a phony baloney good time rock & roll liar.
Quote from: Gizmotron on May 06, 12:18 PM 2012
I doubt that mauiSunset has ever been to the casinos that he claims he has.
Do the math. Even if he can still find a 40% comp rate he's still in deep trouble
with the simple arithmetic. He claims he uses $1,000 bets on the ECs. At 5.4%
he should lose a little more than $1,000 for every 20 bets. At 30 spins per hour,
that comes to at least $1500 per hour. His comp, at best, only comes to $400
per hour. Do the math. Even if his comp rate was 100% he would still lose more
than $500 per hour. MauiSunset is a phony baloney good time rock & roll liar.
It's 9 am and I throw down $5,000 and get 50 $100 chips.
I play for 4 hours and have $6,000 in my bankroll.
I take a lunch break for 1 hour.
I throw down the $6,000 and 4 hours later I have $4,750. I lost 5% for the day.
You have no idea how I bet and how many bets I took but I started with $5,000 and ended the day with $4,750.
I lost $250 and got $1,500 in comps (just a guess). My next visit is free - the hotels, the meals, the shows, and the drinks are all comped by the casino.
So, how did I do for the day?
You are just fooling yourself. Do the math. To get $1,500 in comps you must lose at the mathematical expectancy .Your own mantra is a double edged sword to you.
Quote from: MauiSunset on May 06, 12:49 PM 2012
It's 9 am and I throw down $5,000 and get 50 $100 chips.
I play for 4 hours and have $6,000 in my bankroll.
I take a lunch break for 1 hour.
I throw down the $6,000 and 4 hours later I have $4,750. I lost 5% for the day.
You have no idea how I bet and how many bets I took but I started with $5,000 and ended the day with $4,750.
I lost $250 and got $1,500 in comps (just a guess). My next visit is free - the hotels, the meals, the shows, and the drinks are all comped by the casino.
So, how did I do for the day?
Quote from: MauiSunset on May 06, 12:49 PM 2012
So, how did I do for the day?
Compared to what? $1,500 in comps is worth less than $150 to a major casino.
But definitely in a "tourist trap".
Quote from: Gizmotron on May 06, 01:40 PM 2012
You are just fooling yourself. Do the math. To get $1,500 in comps you must lose at the mathematical expectancy .Your own mantra is a double edged sword to you.
The house odds for Roulette (link:://wizardofodds.com/games/roulette/), of 5.25% for an American wheel, have nothing to do with the bet size and frequency of bets - it's simply a theoretical number with lots and lots of statistical theory behind it.
Casinos probably have an actual house odds of 90% since that's what I see as I sit at the table.
The problem gamblers have is they just don't understand the fact that if you place a single bet of 35 to 1 payoff and your chance of winning is 1 in 38 then you have to play that same bet 38 times 30 or 1,140 times before the house odds of 5.25% start to show up. Why 30 times? I'm rusty at probability theory but that's my recollection of the minimum number of observations needed for a binomial distribution to start to just appear.
Don't hold me to that 30, it might be 60 or more.
That's why for a spin every 2 minutes you need 1 hour of play times 2, or 60 spins, for EC bets to start to have the laws of statistics to start to work.
95% of the time I'm the only one playing EC bets during an 8 hour day - everyone else is going to lose all they bring to the table - everyone - they just don't play long enough.....
What a bunch of poop. So the math applies to us but not to you.
Quote from: MauiSunset on May 06, 02:03 PM 2012
The house odds for Roulette (link:://wizardofodds.com/games/roulette/), of 5.25% for an American wheel, have nothing to do with the bet size and frequency of bets - it's simply a theoretical number with lots and lots of statistical theory behind it.
Casinos probably have an actual house odds of 90% since that's what I see as I sit at the table.
The problem gamblers have is they just don't understand the fact that if you place a single bet of 35 to 1 payoff and your chance of winning is 1 in 38 then you have to play that same bet 38 times 30 or 1,140 times before the house odds of 5.25% start to show up. Why 30 times? I'm rusty at probability theory but that's my recollection of the minimum number of observations needed for a binomial distribution to start to just appear.
Don't hold me to that 30, it might be 60 or more.
That's why for a spin every 2 minutes you need 1 hour of play times 2, or 60 spins, for EC bets to start to have the laws of statistics to start to work.
95% of the time I'm the only one playing EC bets during an 8 hour day - everyone else is going to lose all they bring to the table - everyone - they just don't play long enough.....
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Quote from: MauiSunset on May 06, 02:48 PM 2012
I have no idea what you are babbling about - so what else is new?
What I'm saying is that for EC bets you have to play 2 hours for statistics to start to appear.
If you bet anything but EC you are looking at 3 hours minimum. Play Dozens or Columns then you need 30 * 3 or 90 spins for the odds to appear. At 2 minutes per spin that's 180 minutes or 3 hours before you approach that 5.25% house odds - before then the odds are way way more favorable to the house.
It's easy to calculate the number of hours you must play before the odds favor you at that 5.26% - just take the stated probability (link:://wizardofodds.com/games/roulette/) times 30 for the number of spins. (I remember the number of degrees of freedom * 30, but that was from my statistical class of 40 years ago)
e.g.
Play a street with the probability of 7.89% of winning and it takes 1/.0789 * 30 or 380 spins and at 1 spin every 2 minutes that's 760 minutes or 13 hours of non-stop play. Only then will you approach the house odds of 5.26% against you, until then it's much much higher.
Math is math and no amount of insanity can change the outcome...........
You're right, Maui.
Hey guys remember me (thread starter)
Since the casino edge is the minimum a bettor would lose in a game of chance, a small bankroll (for entertainment value) would be sufficient (and not bet more than you're willing to lose?)
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on May 06, 04:06 PM 2012
Hey guys remember me (thread starter)
Since the casino edge is the minimum a bettor would lose in a game of chance, a small bankroll (for entertainment value) would be sufficient (and not bet more than you're willing to lose?)
This is a great question - how much should your bankroll be based upon the kind of bet you place.
Let's say the min bet is $5 and you want to play for 2 hours at 1 spin every 2 minutes = 60 spins.
The Standard Deviation is 2b*sqrt(npq)
b=$5 min bet
n=60 spins
p=18/38 (prob of winning EC)
q=20/38 (prob of losing EC)
1 Std = 2*$5*sqrt(60*18/38*20/38) = $10* sqrt(60*.474*.526)=$38.7
2 Std = 2*$38.7=$77.35; 2 Std should cover you for 60 spins 95% of the time
3 Std covering 99% of the time or $116.10
Now if you believe in Voodoo math then you just need $5 all day long............
Quote from: MauiSunset on May 06, 04:24 PM 2012
This is a great question - how much should your bankroll be based upon the kind of bet you place.
Let's say the min bet is $5 and you want to play for 2 hours at 1 spin every 2 minutes = 60 spins.
The Standard Deviation is 2b*sqrt(npq)
b=$5 min bet
n=60 spins
p=18/38 (prob of winning EC)
q=20/38 (prob of losing EC)
1 Std = 2*$5*sqrt(60*18/38*20/38) = $10* sqrt(60*.474*.526)=$38.7
2 Std = 2*$38.7=$77.35; 2 Std should cover you for 60 spins 95% of the time
3 Std covering 99% of the time or $116.10
Now if you believe in Voodoo math then you just need $5 all day long............
just wonder what casino gives you those comps worth of 1500$
MauiSunset could well be correct I don't know :o
What I DO know is if you don't believe it is beatable THEN you have zero chance of beating it !!!!!
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Quote from: albertojonas on May 06, 04:58 PM 2012
just wonder what casino gives you those comps worth of 1500$
It's fairly simple arithmetic. The factors are $1500 comp, 40% comp rate, and 240 spins. From that, the average size for each bet can be calculated. With that calculation the amount of expected loss can be calculated. Basic arithmetic will show that more than $1,500 should occur. By the math alone the casino should take in more than they give back in comps. The good news is that mauiSunset believes otherwise. Now that's economical justification.
Quote from: ddarko on May 06, 05:21 PM 2012
What I DO know is if you don't believe it is beatable THEN you have zero chance of beating it !
Or of wasting some much time, etc.
Quote from: GARNabby on May 06, 05:35 PM 2012
Or of wasting some much time, etc.
ANOTHER positive post from GARN :thumbsup:
Whatever you say man.
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