Please.
Numerology has to do with the serious study of roulette the same as using tarot cards to know the precise moment to launch atomic particles in the accelerator of the CERN (link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERN) institute.
Total nonsense.
Roulette is primarily physical.
Secondary to this roulette is statistical.
Roulette is not and can never be numbers ruled by Kabbalah, esoterism, ancient magical squares of the sun and similar disciplines.
There is a topic in the forum claiming that after the number 27 the color black comes more than it should. This shows an ignorance of the most elementary rules of the game of roulette.
A lack of long-term knowledge of statistics.
It is proven beyond any doubt that after any number of roulette from 0 to 36 it will come an equal number of times the color red and an equal number of times the color black less -2.7% from the normal shows of green zero.
I do not consider myself an expert but I know what makes the player lose. Using something as senseless such as after number 27 then your bet the color black will come is a certain way to lose.
These posts do nothing but to detract the seriousness from the forum.
Example. Kabbalah: a discipline and school of thought concerned with the mystical aspect of Rabbinic Judaism. It is a set of esoteric teachings meant to explain the relationship between an eternal and mysterious Creator and the mortal ".
It is an insult to the true followers of this faith to use their principles combined with gambling found in a casino.
Not to mention the insult it is for serious scholars of statistics. Those persons in the mathematics field who use the roulette game as a test of probability field in Monte Carlo modeling (link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_carlo_simulation) and serious people who really know how to use statistical tools (link:://:.fao.org/docrep/w7295e/w7295e08.htm) for measuring the roulette game correctly.
If this forum is going to be serious, please remove all references to the nonsense amalgamation of numerology and roulette.
Please other members support.
If it is going to be the published material of this kind here the serious people will be gone away from the forum and only remain the people that claim the invisible and mystical is what rules the game we study.
To be our loss.
WannaWin
I agree with you.
But disagree about censorship by Victor, or any Mod come to that (within reason)
If some ppl choose to have a certain pov then let them
I choose to read all posts as I enjoy reading different ppl's pov
Then, its our informed choice to choose how we wish to pick our number(s). Is it not ?
Just my 9 cents :thumbsup:
I agree 100%. Sad to think that this kind of bilge is being perpetuated on this forum, and personally I find it embarrassing to be associated with it. :(
link:://rouletteforum.cc/bet-selection/roulette-is-not-that-random/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/bet-selection/roulette-is-not-that-random/)
How is it that so obviously misleading topic is published since Aug. 6 and has not been erased?
Maybe it is time to reconsider how the work of filtering topics is being done.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Aug 21, 01:21 PM 2010
I agree with you.
But disagree about censorship by Victor, or any Mod come to that (within reason)
If some people choose to have a certain pov then let them
I choose to read all posts as I enjoy reading different people's pov
Then, its our informed choice to choose how we wish to pick our number(s). Is it not ?
Just my 9 cents :thumbsup:
There is a moral issue involved in it. If we are honest it does more harm to leave the lies published than to censor the liars.
What if they get disgusted with the forum and get mad by the censoring? It is better they get mad and leave to spread their lies somewhere else.
WannaWin
If it were my forum, I would remove all the posts, but it isn't so I guess I have to live with it. The only reason I haven't commented earlier is because I would like to make a positive contribution here, and not see it go the way of VLS, GG etc.
It's up to Victor.
I don't know what Mr Chips thinks about numerology, but he has clear rules regarding Advantage-play on his forum:
QuoteThis Forum is dedicated to Roulette systems and Strategies, designed and constructed
to make a profit in the long term.
The accepted view of how to play roulette in a casino is the one adopted by this Forum.
This precludes, wheel watchers e.g. visual ballistic activities and the dubious practice
of looking for bias wheels, which has nothing to do with the actual game of Roulette
and is frowned on by the casino's and the ordinary player, as it is in the interests of both
player and casino to have a legitimately balanced wheel.
and:
QuoteIt is expected that Members will not post or send PM's that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, or otherwise violates any laws.
The Administration reserves the right to remove, edit or close any thread for any reason.
All Roulette systems produced on this Forum are free and therefore system sellers are not welcome and any link to a system for sale will be removed.
This Forum respects copyright and we will never knowingly allow copyright to be infringed and will
take action to remove any post, providing proof of ownership of copyright is established.
Not saying I necessarily agree with the Advantage-play thing, just making the point that there are clear boundaries regarding what is and isn't acceptable. Here there is nothing, so it becomes an issue of "censorship" if some ways of playing are deemed unacceptable or invalid. This forum is for "system players" - what does that mean, exactly?
link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/forum-rules/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/forum-rules/)
Quote
SCOPE OF THE DISCUSSION:
WE ARE A ROULETTE SYSTEMS FORUM.
We do not allow themes like: Numerology, astrology...
What worth are some rules that are not going to be enforced?
Removing numerology posts is not extreme censorship but common sense to protect the uninformed.
What if I tell the members my way to select the numbers is that when the dealer pulled a fart I put the numbers 9, 14 and 8 and won consistently by sniffing the rear of the dealer to know when to bet?
Is it okay to leave every publication of any nonsense in order to protect the forum from censorship?
The lies of James Wendel were unproven theories that could never be tested because he never published his alleged methodology to beat all the casino table games on none of the many forums he participated in the past.
The numerology people do not even bother to develop theories that can not be checked, but spreading obvious lies (like there is a magical relationship between numbers like 27 and numbers painted with color black) that is already proven over and over again it doesn't work.
I do not know what is the gain of publishing lies like that or who make them publish it, but I know that it takes a simulator of roulette with a large number sample enough to draw conclusions from long term statistics to deny it. The math says it. Common sense says it too.
There should be a better process of filtering posts.
Hello guys.
Weââ,¬â,,¢ll work something out with Compa. Perhaps we can agree itââ,¬â,,¢s the wording being used what should be worked.
Not the same to say: ââ,¬Å"I tested 3000 spins and in this numerical sample Black came after 27 more than expectedââ,¬Â, than to say ââ,¬Å"you can beat roulette by betting black after number 27 is spunââ,¬Â.
...I know we are having this debate because everybody wants the best for the forum.
Now letââ,¬â,,¢s wait for some input from Compa and other members regarding the post reported to the community council (link:://rouletteforum.cc/community-council/(bet-selection)-re-roulette-is-not-that-random/). We sure can work it out.
In the mean time, I have censored the URL to the numerology website as a way to enforce the rules.
By the way: No member is going to be banned. Instead letââ,¬â,,¢s use this as an opportunity to set clearer statutes to reach grounds in good terms.
Iââ,¬â,,¢m sure by setting a clear criterion on the right wording we have to use in the forum, we can avoid misunderstandings of this kind in the future.
Regards,
Victor
Quote from: WannaWin on Aug 21, 03:02 PM 2010
What if I tell the members my way to select the numbers is that when the dealer pulled a fart I put the numbers 9, 14 and 8 and won consistently by sniffing the rear of the dealer to know when to bet?
hahahaha OMG! now that's a "bet selection"!
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Thanks for putting some fun on the table WannaWin
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 21, 01:55 PM 2010
If it were my forum, I would remove all the posts, but it isn't so I guess I have to live with it. The only reason I haven't commented earlier is because I would like to make a positive contribution here, and not see it go the way of VLS, GG etc.
It's up to Victor.
Contributions???????
You must be joking Bayes.
What kind of contribution did you ever make????
Expect critics,slimy kind of approach with Victor,destroyijng and
hammer any possible successful method posted/like mine,which I proved you wrong with 13 Wiesbaden daily actuals....all 13 sessions winning/but you haven't been heard there since,like a xxxxx----and BTW-DO YOU KNOW WHY BLACK MOSTLY HIT AFTER 27??????
Ofcourse that you don't,as you are in this game from yesterday,and probably never entered casino in your life/internet involved/let alone your knowledge about REAL happejnings,and we are there for years on almost every night basis,mr.6.color]
I want to defend Compa's posts. If he thinks roulette is not random it is his right to think.
He does not try to convince anyone that numerology is a way to go etc.
He doesn't do anything bad trying to connect a certain number with certain colour to bet. After all i am not sure it is about numerology. One may think it is about this special pocket which is marked as 27 or 15 or whatever which can be associated with this colour.
let's not create religious wars here. As Steve said in old VLS forum: one may say that u can defeat roulette with voodoo, i don't mind as long as he is not insulting anyone.
oh, not again. people, let's not blame each other, let's not start attacking each other.
everyone has a right for a point of view.
I don't understand people which are upset when someone says something against their roulette methods. It is not personal insult, it is just a way to play roulette.
For example i personally find table based methods not working well. But i have friends here which prefer just them. And they know my opinion about it, they may try to convince me i am wrong, i think they are wrong, but it is NOT getting us into any sort of fights.
I know some people which think all the roulette systems are wrong and can not work, only AP methods can work, nevertheless we get along fine with each other.
why to make it all personal? it is about ROULETTE for God's sake. it is not about people, not about religious wars.
Hey WannaWin, take i easy.. you have your opinion and Compa too.. forum = debate and everything can be discussed.
Why you have to tell to all the members what is right to read or not ?
I repeat with my very poor English , take i easy WW ;)
Ok I take it easy but it breaks my understanding why will the forum allow those topics.
Do we want the forum topics to be about Voodoo, astrology, magic belief and kabbalah, the ancient Egypt and everything that has to be related with the numerology view of the world?
Why not scientology too? When Tom cruise farts I pick number 32.
Excuse me friends but this nonsense is tremendous. I see it clearly. Why can you not see it?
Is this not a ROULETTE FORUM as it says in the title?
We should be asking members to study Bernoulli, probability theory, stochastic processes, calculate correctly the odds of combined events, and so many good statistical topics rather than advocating for the meaninglessness of the invisible magical numerology thought and its non-existent relationships with the reality of the game.
Each message board must establish its purpose.
Then why not going to debate roulette systems in Voodoo or kabbalah forum to see what they think about the use of their beliefs to casino gambling?
link:://:.discoverkabbalah.com/forums/index.php (link:://:.discoverkabbalah.com/forums/index.php)
link:://mysticwicks.com/forumdisplay.php?f=533 (link:://mysticwicks.com/forumdisplay.php?f=533)
I thought this was a forum to discuss roulette systems as it says in description but I may be wrong.
Wannawin
why jokes are allowed here? what do they have to do with roulette? why people say hello to each other, it doesn't have any connection to roulette.
take it easy, really. Do we need a witch hunt here? NO.
;D
The people greeting each other = no damage.
Others misguiding people to risk their money on bets based on magical thinking or mystical numerical relationships that have no basis to exist in roulette = harm.
Maybe it is me who am losing my words trying to reason this issue rationally.
Now I give up.
If you want now discuss how to pick bets playing the Ouija board guided by the spirits of the dead when in the casino.
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WannaWin
whatever method u pick , be it table-based, wheel-based, event based, whatever -- u have to test it a lot. And testing is up to you, u can't just take any word for it.
Absolutely most of the systems here are losing anyway. if they were not we would not be looking for better ones. A really winning system is like a tiny piece of gold in tons of sand.
so be it numerology, or anything else -- the result won't be much different unless u find something FOR REAL, and it is very hard.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Aug 21, 06:23 PM 2010
Contributions???????
You must be joking Bayes.
What kind of contribution did you ever make????
I believe there are those in this forum who would disagree with you, I can give you examples of contributions I've made, but what would be the point? You've already decided you don't like me, and the feeling is mutual, so probably it's better if we don't communicate at all. Life is too short for all this bullshit. I try to bring a rational approach to this forum, it's pretty obvious you don't even know what that means. Just keep out of my way and I'll keep out of yours, ok?
Quote from: WannaWin on Aug 21, 08:58 PM 2010
We should be asking members to study Bernoulli, probability theory, stochastic processes, calculate correctly the odds of combined events, and so many good statistical topics rather than advocating for the meaninglessness of the invisible magical numerology thought and its non-existent relationships with the reality of the game.
Wannawin
Exactly, but the problem is, these subjects require study and thinking. They are hard work. Much easier to simply "believe" and then when a system doesn't work, just discard it and pick another one based on an equally magical belief. You could spend your whole life doing this and never be any closer to winning consistently.
Someone had the temerity to ask WHY black should hit more often after 27 and they were told "how DARE you" ???
And let's be honest, gambler's are lazy, that's why they're attracted to gambling. It explains why there is such a low contributor to member ratio in these kinds of forums, most are here simply to find a "magic" system which will forever and effortlessly fill their pockets with cash. These people are living in a dream world and the last thing they want to do is work. That's just another example of irrationality.
Now that this "System", is build into the newly released MST tracking/clicker by Ophis, U can all test out the theory for Urselves.
It works................sometimes!!
I really appreciate bayes' contributions to the forum. he's always willing to help when it comes to answering math or probability questions. thanks a lot, bayes. :thumbsup:
cheers
hans
Quote from: hanshuckebein on Jun 04, 09:57 AM 2011
I really appreciate bayes' contributions to the forum. he's always willing to help when it comes to answering math or probability questions. thanks a lot, bayes. :thumbsup:
cheers
hans
Well said! :thumbsup:
AND Bayes has also written and generously released software for members to use.
There is a LOT that goes on 'behind-the scenes' which is where it needs to remain.
But I can tell you all that as a Moderator, Bayes' contributions have been extremely valuable. We can always rely on his clear-sighted, sensible, logical thinking and fair approaches to issues that your Moderators have to face on an almost daily basis.
But I WILL NOT sit by and see Bayes denigrated in such an unfair and cavalier fashion, by an accusation expressed in ignorance and prejudice.
CONSEQUENCIES FOR F_LAT_INOF_LAT_INO has been warned before before about refraining from PERSONAL ATTACKS. And now he's at it again with his unwarranted and disrespectful comments about Bayes, a respected member of the forum and a Moderator.
Accordingly, the consequence is to reduce him to Reader for a few days, to give him time to
read again the forum guidelines:
link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/forum%27s-guidelines/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/forum%27s-guidelines/)
There, the first item clearly states:
Respectful treatment between members.And further on we read:
Posting here is a privilege, not a right.Finally, a short time as Reader will also enable him to ponder how to treat others in his future posts, once the
priviledge is restored to him.
ADMIN
Flat's offending comment was made almost a year ago....OUCH!
Quote from: Skakus on Jun 04, 10:15 PM 2011
Flat's offending comment was made almost a year ago....OUCH!
In which case the consequencies have finally arrived. The comments were highlighted in recent posts in the thread and cannot be ignored.
We all need to know we can express our views and ideas on this forum without receiving personal attacks at any time. And that if that happens, then the Moderators will take action.
I've commented elsewhere about playing the ball and not the man.
If Moderators resile from enforcing that fundamental right then members will not feel 'safe' and the forum will become dysfunctional. We've seen the results of
that on other forums.
It's a principle too important to ignore if this forum is to function as it should.
Victor set up this forum with some clear rules of behaviour and expectations stated in his Forum's Guidelines.
And I clearly recall being presented with the rules when I joined. Unlike some, I actually read them.
As members of his team, Moderators always do their best to support him and his vision of how the forum should function.
ADMIN
This thread is for discussing Numerology. So let's stick to that now.
Oh dear.
This numerology thread is poking a stick into a very sore point with some.
To those that would want the thread removed let me refer you to Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Adopted in 1948, it states that:
"Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers."
So let the numerology debate continue, but without personal insults.
Rest assured it's being closely monitored.
Cool down buddies,
I don't want to call any names but there are some guys who has nothing creative to offer and are cynical in nature. They are not just dirtying every topic but spoiling the overall healthy environment of our forum by doing personal attacks consistantly upon their chosen foes. The member who is being attacked personally reciprocates and a debatable topic turns into a filthy battleground.
Such persons should be earmarked, warned openly and to be banned permanently if repeats his wrong attitude.
I really don't know why you are wasting your minds just to prove that somebody's opininions about roulette are wrongThe beauty or curse about roulette it's that there are NO FACTS about it nor WRONG or RIGHT.It's a game of chance and whatever system you are using if you have bad luck nothing can save you.From my point of view al systems are nothing more that just the way somebody thinks about roulette and how express it.There is no right or wrong when you express yourself as long as it doesn't affect other people.So if you don't like somebody ideas just..live and let them lose!
Quote from: Twisteruk on Aug 21, 01:21 PM 2010
I agree with you.
But disagree about censorship by Victor, or any Mod come to that (within reason)
If some people choose to have a certain point of view then let them
I choose to read all posts as I enjoy reading different people's point of view
Then, its our informed choice to choose how we wish to pick our number(s). Is it not ?
Just my 9 cents :thumbsup:
As I said way back when I was a nOOb, its ppls choice
No one says you have to play that way or even post in this Thread
If you dont like the content, then ignore and jog on ;D
Quote from: chrisbis on Jun 04, 09:20 AM 2011
Now that this "System", is build into the newly released MST tracking/clicker by Ophis, you can all test out the theory for Urselves.
It works................sometimes!!
Well Chris, you could say the same about a 'method' which consists of throwing chips randomly over the table. To me, a system which 'works' means a system which wins consistently; something which works 'sometimes' is a system which doesn't work.
Quote from: xxlakis on Jun 05, 01:08 AM 2011
I really don't know why you are wasting your minds just to prove that somebody's opininions about roulette are wrongThe beauty or curse about roulette it's that there are NO FACTS about it nor WRONG or RIGHT.It's a game of chance and whatever system you are using if you have bad luck nothing can save you.From my point of view al systems are nothing more that just the way somebody thinks about roulette and how express it.There is no right or wrong when you express yourself as long as it doesn't affect other people.So if you don't like somebody ideas just..live and let them lose!
You can't really say that there are no facts about roulette. The distribution of numbers do conform very closely to probability theory, so to that extent all the results of probability (given certain assumptions) are facts. You don't have to believe this, anyone can discover it for themselves. However, I guess what you're saying is that there are no methods for picking numbers which will result in consistently winning, so numerology is just as effective in that regard as probability theory and statistics is. That may be true, but it doesn't put numerology on a par with probability theory in terms of predictive value. The latter is used by the casinos themselves to get their edge, and in countless other scientific and commercial contexts. Numerology doesn't have any basis in fact whatsoever, there is zero evidence that it 'works' on any level.
Is this all because numerology system have been implemented in MST?
I know this system is "lame" so to speak but it is a great filler because it bets only 6 plain number and there are moments that this method is working very nicely.
If you dont like it you can always turn it off :thumbsup:
Quote from: ophis on Jun 05, 08:22 AM 2011
Is this all because numerology system have been implemented in MST?
I don't think so Ophis, at least not as far as I'm concerned. I don't have any objection to it being implemented in MST. The way I see it, your tracker is an experiment in trending, so in that regard one system is as good as another. ;)
However, could someone point me to where the system is posted? I'm curious to take a look at it.
cheers.
link:://rouletteforum.cc/coding-for-roulette/looking-for-an-rx-coder-for-numerology-system/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/coding-for-roulette/looking-for-an-rx-coder-for-numerology-system/)
Well ... numerology.
The flagship forum of numerology has already fallen because you can not sustain it with 13-31, 00-11-22-33 and other theories based on stickers pasted on the disc.
It's a shame because it was another roulette resource and I do not like when you lose any resource. But in the end I guess this will increase visits to the serious forums.
That was also the last chance to communicate with the older members of the past decade, season 2006-2010 that fell prey to numerology and no longer approached other discussion sites.
In the end I hope we embrace the present with sharper members that do not fall into things like numerology without first testing and then draw to conclusions later.
I too thank the effort of Mr. Ophis to make its tracker of numerology, because I guess like any other combination of numbers numerology combinations also have their moment of being hot and they are neither better nor worse than the other combinations for the tracker.
WannaWin
Quote from: Bayes on Jun 05, 08:06 AM 2011
You can't really say that there are no facts about roulette. The distribution of numbers do conform very closely to probability theory, so to that extent all the results of probability (given certain assumptions) are facts. You don't have to believe this, anyone can discover it for themselves. However, I guess what you're saying is that there are no methods for picking numbers which will result in consistently winning, so numerology is just as effective in that regard as probability theory and statistics is. That may be true, but it doesn't put numerology on a par with probability theory in terms of predictive value. The latter is used by the casinos themselves to get their edge, and in countless other scientific and commercial contexts. Numerology doesn't have any basis in fact whatsoever, there is zero evidence that it 'works' on any level.
Listen Bayes even propability doesn't count as fact in my mind.I am actually a math guy and i play depending on propabilities(actually one of your posts gave me the basic idea of my system so by the way i should thank you :thumbsup:).But my main argue about all this is that you are fighting about other people choices.It's their money so they can do whatever they want with them.As i said to my previous post let them play and lose them if this system is a crap.From the other end i understand that you want this forum to stay really productive as everybody else want's with good ideas about the game.Well i am afraid this is impossible.You know i am really tired about recycling the same ideas about patterns(i don't believe in this concept) and matrixes and such staff.Even if you track with 10 wide matrixes and wait for 20 triggers in the end your bet will have the same chances as if you would flip a coin to decide.I believe that the combination of good propability play with a good money management is the golden rule but this is my opinion.
Quote from: xxlakis on Jun 05, 05:08 PM 2011
Listen Bayes even propability doesn't count as fact in my mind.
Mr. xlakis, I would like to comment with respect.
The probability may be one of the few undisputed facts in roulette.
Things always conform their chance. And if compliance is not yet a fact, then it is only because it is an insufficient long-term.
There are temporary winners, that can not be doubted. But that does not mean that the mathematics of game is wrong or that it does not allow people to win. Even for long periods.
The larger the sample of numbers, the greater the deviations. Whether the positive mathematical advantage or not.
So when the casino in his great long-term and virtually infinite banking gave some money to the players, it makes no major concerns.
Remember that any negative the casino happens to have, it is bound to recover in the long run, when the chance to run conforms to their probability as expected.
The casino has the probability as a fact. And put huge amounts of money on this. Please believe if probabilistic margins were only an unproven theory, there would be no man's business in the world that bankrolled it and casinos would not exist, simply as such.
Thanks for your read.
WannaWin