I think my online casino is cheating.I have played roulette at casino's all over the UK,and in Europe,so i know how the game works.I also know it can throw up strange number sequences that sometimes makes you feel that the game is fixed,but while playing on my internet casino something weird is happening.I place bets covering 30 of the 37 numbers,over 10 spins,changing the 30 numbers each time,and everytime i lost!I then just covered 18 numbers over 10 spins,and only won on 4 spins,and despite putting a few pounds on numbers,only won with the numbers i had 25p on.But the most puzzling thing of all was,as the wheel was spinning(a live wheel) the winning number graphic appeared on my screen saying Winning number 2,but the wheel was still spinning and the ball was still rolling,it cirlced the wheel 2 or 3 more times before dropping into number 2!I hadnt covered that number,and was livid.I emailed the casino,and they said it was my computer latency,and that it was running out of sync with the game,but thats rubbish,as when i place my bets a clock was counting down and i bet right up to the no more bet signal.Also every other spin id bet on the noise from the ball spinning and dropping was in sync with the video.I have felt for a while that this casino cheats,but am now convinced.There are times i get the impression that no matter where i place my bets the ball will land in a number i havent got.This isnt me being a bad loser,as ive said ive played in casinos all over the place so know how they work.
The casino in question is Supercasino.com,i closed my account down with them 6 months ago telling them i'd lost confidence in them and felt they were cheating.I then opened an account with Jackpot247,on Friday last week,not realizing that they were part of the Supercasino company.Since friday i have bet £80 over 2 nights,and on every spin,again putting £1 and £2's on numbers only won on numbers i had 25p on!Over 10 spins the numbers went 32,32,23,24,32,24,9,17,23,32! I put £2 on odd,£2 on red,£2 on first and 2nd dozen,and £2 on 1st and 2nd column,and it came in black 28!I consider myself an experienced roulette player,but come on!this is strange.
I have closed down that account now,and will stick to real casinos!
I agree.
Since you can play at any on-line casino, why would you not play at Dublinbet? Sometimes you can actually see them place the puck and pay the winner.
One way of testing is to have someone else with their own computer /account and play at the same time as you at the same casino THEN COMPARE RESULTS !
Hope this helps.
Quote from: frogger100 on May 19, 02:10 PM 2012
I think my online casino is cheating.I have played roulette at casino's all over the UK,and in Europe,so i know how the game works.I also know it can throw up strange number sequences that sometimes makes you feel that the game is fixed,but while playing on my internet casino something weird is happening.I place bets covering 30 of the 37 numbers,over 10 spins,changing the 30 numbers each time,and everytime i lost!I then just covered 18 numbers over 10 spins,and only won on 4 spins,and despite putting a few pounds on numbers,only won with the numbers i had 25p on.But the most puzzling thing of all was,as the wheel was spinning(a live wheel) the winning number graphic appeared on my screen saying Winning number 2,but the wheel was still spinning and the ball was still rolling,it cirlced the wheel 2 or 3 more times before dropping into number 2!I hadnt covered that number,and was livid.I emailed the casino,and they said it was my computer latency,and that it was running out of sync with the game,but that's nonsense,as when i place my bets a clock was counting down and i bet right up to the no more bet signal.Also every other spin id bet on the noise from the ball spinning and dropping was in sync with the video.I have felt for a while that this casino cheats,but am now convinced.There are times i get the impression that no matter where i place my bets the ball will land in a number i haven't got.This isnt me being a bad loser,as I've said I've played in casinos all over the place so know how they work.
The casino in question is Supercasino.com,i closed my account down with them 6 months ago telling them i'd lost confidence in them and felt they were cheating.I then opened an account with Jackpot247,on Friday last week,not realizing that they were part of the Supercasino company.Since friday i have bet £80 over 2 nights,and on every spin,again putting £1 and £2's on numbers only won on numbers i had 25p on!Over 10 spins the numbers went 32,32,23,24,32,24,9,17,23,32! I put £2 on odd,£2 on red,£2 on first and 2nd dozen,and £2 on 1st and 2nd column,and it came in black 28!I consider myself an experienced roulette player,but come on!this is strange.
I have closed down that account now,and will stick to real casinos!
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but what makes you think that sequence of numbers is unusual ?? over a period of billions of spins its quite normal!! the other week i watched 15 spun 8 times in the first 15 spins i watched (including a triple and a double hit within 7 spins
yesterday i was playing a basic dozens system and won on the 10th bet, this was after waiting for my chosen dozen NOT to appear for at least 10 spins, so that dozen actually did not appear for 19 spins, even though 'theory' says that dozen should spin every 3 to 4 spins !
your bad luck was 'being there' when your sequence occurred
Cheers
Quote from: downthehatch on May 21, 09:44 AM 2012
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but what makes you think that sequence of numbers is unusual ?? over a period of billions of spins its quite normal!! the other week i watched 15 spun 8 times in the first 15 spins i watched (including a triple and a double hit within 7 spins
yesterday i was playing a basic dozens system and won on the 10th bet, this was after waiting for my chosen dozen NOT to appear for at least 10 spins, so that dozen actually did not appear for 19 spins, even though 'theory' says that dozen should spin every 3 to 4 spins !
your bad luck was 'being there' when your sequence occurred
Cheers
32 hit 4 times? Hehe if it slept for at least 30 spins before then you would win if you knew RWD betting system ;D And with dozens please dont bet until you see it sleep for at least more than 17 spins. It routinely sleeps for over 20 spins. Good bet is bet against more then 25 times although 32 is i guess the record :(
Regards
dino has the idea..........
A guy named Diarmaid once went to Fitzwilliam Casino to check on the wheel. (He was Irish and lived close.) The feed to Dublin Bet on-line is 100% accurate, according to him.
Which begs my original question.........
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 21, 11:00 AM 2012
dino has the idea..........
A guy named Diarmaid once went to Fitzwilliam Casino to check on the wheel. (He was Irish and lived close.) The feed to Dublin Bet on-line is 100% accurate, according to him.
Which begs my original question.........
Sam
Ask the casino 2 put on a tv set and broadcast some live event >:(
rob
That is a great idea, and one used to do it. However, it was some station in Bumphuct, Egypt and I could not get it.
Since Fox News is almost universal--I hope--that would be a good one!!!
Yep...
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 21, 11:25 AM 2012
rob
That is a great idea, and one used to do it. However, it was some station in Bumphuct, Egypt and I could not get it.
Since Fox News is almost universal--I hope--that would be a good one!!!
Yep...
Sam
Hehe Keep It Simple Sam
Frogger,
i quite often sit with William Hill live roulette running and place the numbers into RX and play (as if live) on RX. Some really horrendous things happen like 19 reds in a row, and a dozen not showing for 22 hits. No repeat in 21....7 comes out 4 times in a row. I'm not even placing bets on so it can't be rigged against me personally. I have no proof it isnt rigged, but on those occasions, It wasn't personal.
The problem usually is the evil head that takes you over, and makes you do things you didn't plan, like continuing past your stop-loss etc.
When hit bad, you have to ask questions of your self...not the roulette table.
Did I veer from the system. Did I carry on past where I said I would stop-loss. Did I go back after a win that I decided would do for that night.
You will be amazed how you messed it up on most occasions by being naughty and not doing as you are told.
Listen to the sensible guy who is "you" just before you place a chip
The "cheating" intended or unintended happens when they dont accept your bets and your money does not go back to your account or if you hit confirm button and your bets are not accepted.
If you play online be prepared to be cut off if you play any progression because they have a maintenance and so on. If you play long enough that will happen for sure sooner or later.
Never had any suspicion about any numbers spun unless i see all 37 numbers spun in 37 spins ;D
Regards
Quote from: turnerfeck on May 21, 11:57 AM 2012
Frogger,
i quite often sit with William Hill live roulette running and place the numbers into RX and play (as if live) on RX. Some really horrendous things happen like 19 reds in a row, and a dozen not showing for 22 hits. No repeat in 21....7 comes out 4 times in a row. I'm not even placing bets on so it can't be rigged against me personally. I have no proof it isnt rigged, but on those occasions, It wasn't personal.
The problem usually is the evil head that takes you over, and makes you do things you didn't plan, like continuing past your stop-loss etc.
When hit bad, you have to ask questions of your self...not the roulette table.
Did I veer from the system. Did I carry on past where I said I would stop-loss. Did I go back after a win that I decided would do for that night.
You will be amazed how you messed it up on most occasions by being naughty and not doing as you are told.
Listen to the sensible guy who is "you" just before you place a chip
thats it, thats been me and millions like me to a tee, and its why casinos dony need to cheat
ive been playing smart live casino lately also just watching the play on the live net feed (that becomes tv later in the evening. It shows what players are betting and why they have no need to cheat. Many are covering vast areas of the table, some betting over £1000 to win perhaps 2 to 300
yesterday one guy bet £4,500 on black, 2nd dozen, 19-36 and 2nd and 3rd column only for 3 red to hit and lost the lot, perhaps some 'backwoods' casinos may cheat but not reputable casino/gambling sites, will hill, bet 365 etc etc
'unusual' events, sequences of this that or the other are not unusual, its our own narrow time span/ vision that is limited.
Interesting to note on both Smart Live and Supercasino that the FUN players are on the table with the REAL-MONEY players at the same time with all the bets mixed in.
I believe this to be the case or does anyone know different ?
Quote from: Robeenhuut on May 21, 10:39 AM 2012
32 hit 4 times? Hehe if it slept for at least 30 spins before then you would win if you knew RWD betting system ;D And with dozens please don't bet until you see it sleep for at least more than 17 spins. It routinely sleeps for over 20 spins. Good bet is bet against more then 25 times although 32 is i guess the record :(
Regards
Hi i wonder if you could elaborate on that 'bet against 25 etc" Do you mean betting on say dozen 2 and 3 if dozen 1 has not appeared for numerous times? and what progression would be used?
another bet the other day, started after non appearance after 14 spins, it hit on 20th spin, and in the meantime column C had built up to 15 non appearance, i then bet that and it hit immediately!
just wondered also there is any way of extending a progression for one dozen play? (or i column)
Cheers Dth
Quote from: downthehatch on May 25, 07:24 AM 2012
Hi i wonder if you could elaborate on that 'bet against 25 etc" Do you mean betting on say dozen 2 and 3 if dozen 1 has not appeared for numerous times? and what progression would be used?
another bet the other day, started after non appearance after 14 spins, it hit on 20th spin, and in the meantime column C had built up to 15 non appearance, i then bet that and it hit immediately!
just wondered also there is any way of extending a progression for one dozen play? (or i column)
Cheers Dth
Hello
Its like opportunity bet. I personally would use 112346 progression. Today i saw 1 DZ sleep for 16 spins and it hit when i was ready to start betting ;) If you want to go longer its up to you.
I never saw more than 25 spins without hit but...30 is of course possible so exercise your sound judgement.
Regards
My friend Robenhuut i gave you so many times friendly advice not to play in SMC where you play. It has been proved and discussed many times on many forums that they are cheating by changing video feed, but you just wont listen.
In almost all of your sessions you see dozen sleep for 15 times or any other looong sleeping things.. Not impossible but darn not so often..
Best
Drazen
I've had the 3rd column sleep for 29 spins before but that was RNG
I've also had 2nd doz hit 14 times in a row on RNG too...
Quote from: drazen_cro on May 25, 08:13 AM 2012
My friend Robenhuut i gave you so many times friendly advice not to play in SMC where you play. It has been proved and discussed many times on many forums that they are cheating by changing video feed, but you just won't listen.
In almost all of your sessions you see dozen sleep for 15 times or any other looong sleeping things.. Not impossible but darn not so often..
Best
Drazen
Hello Drazen
If you look 4 certain things and spend so much time online then you see certain things. I did not see nothing out of ordinary on SML air ball recently. And if you calculate the odds of 1 DZ sleeping for 15 spins its like any EC hitting 9 times in a row so really nothing out of ordinary ;D
Regards
Quote from: Robeenhuut on May 25, 08:34 AM 2012
I did not see nothing out of ordinary on SML air ball recently.
When you see it will be too late...
As you wish my friend.
It is silly to neglect such warnings, but you are obviosuly too confident and no one can change your mind except (lets hope not to) SLC..
Good luck
Drazen
Quote from: drazen_cro on May 25, 09:01 AM 2012
When you see it will be too late...
As you wish my friend.
It is silly to neglect such warnings, but you are obviosuly too confident and no one can change your mind except (lets hope not to) SLC..
Good luck
Drazen
Its not about overconfidence. There are not really that many good options out there. I checked out few other casinos already ;D
DTH - I have an account with & play intermittently on Smart Live. My main concern is the poor on line graphics of the slow image resolution of their live dealer roulette wheel.
What I've been wondering is what the UK Sky Channel on screen graphics resolution is like compared to the on line computer images? What's the setup with SL TV broadcasting? Does it not run 21 hours as is the live play?
I'm way down here in OZ so we don't get the sky channel feed.
Some of what does show on my PC of the ball drops almosts replicates the RNG animated wheels?
There is also a few seconds feed delay of the spin image compared to the ball spin audio?
It makes me wonder about true random wheel spins?
I'm confident my computer resolution is ok as demo spins on Steves wheels show up well. Also you tube spins similar.
Earlier this week my luck stayed positive on SL live dealer roulette and what started out as a 100 GBP flutter ended up as a 3,300 GBP a/c balance. I left 150 GBP in the a/c for some more fluttering and activated a 3,150 GBP withdrawal. It's now 3 business days and still nil money. Their terms say MUST BE WITHIN 3 - 5 business days. What a load of BS that is, it sucks. I have 2 debit card accounts with them with all the ID requirements supplied. That should not be an issue as I've already had a smaller amount processed some months ago on the same a/c as this current withdrawal request?
My gripe is that they get a players money virtually instantly yet they say you have to wait up to 5 business days to get a pay out? Imagine if a B & M casino said to winners "come back in 3 - 5 days
and we'll see what we can do for you" like I said it's a big load of BS.
The last withdrawal (my 1st) was completed in 3 UK bus.days. I'll update this site once (if?) SL coughs up the readies?
I also noticed in their T & Cs on bonuses that they don't credit even money bets & similar at all, would pay to have a read, their rules are outrageous?
As to how I played - Pretty basic outside even money bets on colour then alternating to odd & even on Marty progression & repeating the pattern. On higher amounts I had cover on Zero, higher than needed. I got 4 Z hits in 47 spins, this boosted the pot by abt. + 1500 quid.
I'm not getting too carried away with the win as it pretty much gives me a break even result matching my losses over the past 15 months. I guess getting your money back is the next best thing to a nice profit win.
I later returned the day of my SL win & played the 150 quid still in the a/c. By then it was around 3am in the UK & rather quiet with players & bets. Playing the same way as before the drops went mostly opposite? I was bust in 40 minutes. Only consolation was that it was SL money.
I'm weighing up CODE 4 presently. I may well give it a good shot with a decent bankroll ( thanks maybe to SL? ) at the local Sydney OZ Casino in a couple of weeks. They often have more than a dozen active dealer tables all grouped together. I'm thinking I may be able to play multiple random table hit & run using the marquee numbers ( now very reliable latest gen. techno ball reading ) to substantially reduce the non betting spins.
It might be best to do a virtual test 1st to mainly assess the physical limits of the betting method.
I've done dozens of on the run betting on 4 tables before, off marquee numbers. After an hour I was worn out keeping up. I would expect 2 or maybe 3 tables would be the max., time will tell?
Quote from: Robeenhuut on May 25, 08:34 AM 2012
Hello Drazen
If you look 4 certain things and spend so much time online then you see certain things. I did not see nothing out of ordinary on SML air ball recently. And if you calculate the odds of 1 DZ sleeping for 15 spins its like any EC hitting 9 times in a row so really nothing out of ordinary ;D
Regards
Absolutely true, its quite quite common, however we seem to be 'programmed' as a species to live in the short term (i presume by evolution) i.e 'where's the next food and drink coming from', our judgement of the 'rarity' of runs of this or that at roulette or any other game of chance is clouded by our shortermism, think in terms of 'millenia' of spins, nothing odd happens.
just logged on and saw run of 13 no hit column B, i bet on every col b number and the column itself, hit first time, so far so good
Cheers Dth
cheers for that,sent them an email telling them to get stuffed now!
Quote from: ausguy on May 25, 10:58 AM 2012
DTH - I have an account with & play intermittently on Smart Live. My main concern is the poor on line graphics of the slow image resolution of their live dealer roulette wheel.
What I've been wondering is what the UK Sky Channel on screen graphics resolution is like compared to the on line computer images? What's the setup with SL TV broadcasting? Does it not run 21 hours as is the live play?
Hi I dont have Sky, it comes on TV on normal terrestial channel at midnight or 1pm, the image on my on line seem ok to me!
I'm way down here in OZ so we don't get the sky channel feed.
Some of what does show on my PC of the ball drops almosts replicates the RNG animated wheels?
There is also a few seconds feed delay of the spin image compared to the ball spin audio?
It makes me wonder about true random wheel spins?
I presume this touches on the 'cheating' question, again i think the reputable large bookmaker sites and Tv sites, why should they need to cheat?? they are making millions from all sorts of gambling, they are not fools and know most roulette players are either idiots or ignorant or simply addicts!!
just look at the betting patterns on Smart live, on the online site you can see players bets and many use the 'cover most numbers' method that they think will guarantee wins as a large percentage of the table is covered, of course its just part of the great roulette fallacy that has fed vast profits into Casinos since the year dot! I dont think such casinos are in the least bothered about occasional large wins by someone (to win large you must bet large) they know that 99% of the time that 'winner' will return and lose, in the meantime they hoover in relentlessly proftis from the rest.
I have played air ball many times now and have not seen any 'suspicious' movements, in real b&m, live deal and air ball, sometimes a ball will spin out when it looks just about in, or hit one of the walls of the number compartment and catapult to another part of the wheel, its perfectly normal.
As i said on a previous post i think in some backwater casinos in turkistan or burma or god knows where one suspects 'cheating' will occur but not the main sites.I'm confident my computer resolution is ok as demo spins on Steves wheels show up well. Also you tube spins similar.
Earlier this week my luck stayed positive on SL live dealer roulette and what started out as a 100 GBP flutter ended up as a 3,300 GBP a/c balance. I left 150 GBP in the a/c for some more fluttering and activated a 3,150 GBP withdrawal. It's now 3 business days and still nil money. Their terms say MUST BE WITHIN 3 - 5 business days. What a load of BS that is, it sucks. I have 2 debit card accounts with them with all the ID requirements supplied. That should not be an issue as I've already had a smaller amount processed some months ago on the same a/c as this current withdrawal request?
Fantastic win well done
i recently withdrew £1,300 from Sml, arrived after 4 days
My gripe is that they get a players money virtually instantly yet they say you have to wait up to 5 business days to get a pay out? Imagine if a B & M casino said to winners "come back in 3 - 5 days
and we'll see what we can do for you" like I said it's a big load of BS.
The last withdrawal (my 1st) was completed in 3 UK bus.days. I'll update this site once (if?) SL coughs up the readies?
I also noticed in their T & Cs on bonuses that they don't credit even money bets & similar at all, would pay to have a read, their rules are outrageous?
As to how I played - Pretty basic outside even money bets on colour then alternating to odd & even on Marty progression & repeating the pattern. On higher amounts I had cover on Zero, higher than needed. I got 4 Z hits in 47 spins, this boosted the pot by abt. + 1500 quid.
I'm not getting too carried away with the win as it pretty much gives me a break even result matching my losses over the past 15 months. I guess getting your money back is the next best thing to a nice profit win.
I later returned the day of my SL win & played the 150 quid still in the a/c. By then it was around 3am in the UK & rather quiet with players & bets. Playing the same way as before the drops went mostly opposite? I was bust in 40 minutes. Only consolation was that it was SL money.
I'm weighing up CODE 4 presently. I may well give it a good shot with a decent bankroll ( thanks maybe to SL? ) at the local Sydney OZ Casino in a couple of weeks. They often have more than a dozen active dealer tables all grouped together. I'm thinking I may be able to play multiple random table hit & run using the marquee numbers ( now very reliable latest gen. techno ball reading ) to substantially reduce the non betting spins.
It might be best to do a virtual test 1st to mainly assess the physical limits of the betting method.
I've done dozens of on the run betting on 4 tables before, off marquee numbers. After an hour I was worn out keeping up. I would expect 2 or maybe 3 tables would be the max., time will tell?
Cheeers Dth
Update on Smart Live win payout - I'm pleased to report that SL have now paid out my winnings of 3,150 GBP = $5,000 + AUD into my debit card bank a/c here in Sydney, Australia. 3 1/2 days it took but the main thing is that they paid out.
For me my local B & M casino will be my venue choice for the foreseeable future, I consider my SL win as a rare lucky streak. For now I'll be putting SL into "cold storage."
I plan on a visit to my local Sydney casino soon to VIRTUAL BET test the soundness of random betting using 8 live dealer tables before risking any real money?
A wheel vs wheel strategy. That is trigger bets on one table then use those triggers to bet on the next available spins at another randomly chosen table. I'll probably use code 4 twin dozens & columns as the bet basis. I will be going with a hit & run strategy of any 1 win or 3 progression losses to then stop & reset the bet process again at another randomly chosen table.
The plan is to have multiple banks in line with the table limits.
For random I'll just run the 8 numbers (for 8 tables) through an on line RNG pgm for a set of table numbers. This keeps the random theme just that. Letting random decide.
I don't see the need to have a 12 bet line separation? By using the marquee for past spins for triggers I roughly estimate a bet rate of at least 15 spins/hr could be achieved.
Any insights on the odds & probablities (O & Ps) of wheel vs wheel ? I'm unsure if in theory the
O & Ps are the same for 1 wheel or 2 wheels ?
DTH - just saw your latest post come through just B4 posting this.
Have to duck out for a bit so will be back on in a little while.
ausguy
My proverbial hat is off to anyone who can win that kind of money.
Sam
DTH - All I know is my SL losses are well above the norm when compared to B & M similar method play here in Sydney OZ, airball excluded. On line is good mainly due to the convenience factor. Now that I have a decent bankroll I'll travel the 75 min.each way trip to THE STAR & virtual test some code 4 based ideas on multiple tables. If it shows promise then I'll play for real $$$$.
SL can still cheat and have legal compliance. Audits only concern themselves with longer term payout %s. They could still kill a large or large bets as they only represent blip spikes on the play radar. Probably cheating is more relevant to airball as they all have wheel/ball reading technology. Also we never know if the spun result is the actual live one or one from a data bank? As you usually hear a spin happening in the background ahead of the video image? Also sometimes the video image freezes but the spin results eventually will still process on the layout.
This means they have 2 seperate feeds, surely the main indicator for possible manipulation ?
DTH - The 1,300 you withdrew, was that from airball winnings ? How much was your money & how much was SL money?
Another thing that's been mentioned elsewhere re SL is the display of free play bets in with the real money bets ? Obvously this distorts the true position of the table bets. Also, we never know if some of the big wins shown are real or fictitious creations of SL ?
2CS - As I said in an earlier post I was just lucky to hit a rare positive phase to get that fine win.
Playing the same way a few hours later saw me lose 150 quid in 40 mins. In UK time the win was played over 7 1/2 hours from 7:30 pm to 3 am. The losing play was between 4am & 5am. The table was noticably less busy then. It seemed my bets were more targeted then.
Funny thing i noticed recently on SL is that there are few guys with different nicknames placing exactly the same bets in the same session. They are quite large like at least few hundreds of euros.
You can see the bets of other players if you hit Players bets button. You can see lots of funny bets ;D I play air ball on 0.1-5000 table there.
A plus for me winning on Smart Live was the leverage factor of the exchange rate. 1 GBP gave me about $1.61 OZ. So in approximate terms similar betting in Australia would have needed 61% more betting time pro rata to win the same amount.
Mr ROB. Euros have a GBP to Euros exchange advantage too, 1 quid = about 1.25 Euro a 25% play advantage, only if you win, naturally.
Yes the SL manipulation of peoples minds comes in many ways. Nothing motivates people more than the lure of lots of money, thus big money roulette winners on the player win board. Look how they pile into buying big lotto jackpots or swamp the poker/slot machines for the large super jackpots. It's the big business of tapping the natural resource of basic human greed.
Quote from: ausguy on May 25, 11:53 PM 2012
DTH - All I know is my SL losses are well above the norm when compared to B & M similar method play here in Sydney OZ, airball excluded.
hi Mr Ausguy, Cound not you simply have lost because you were there at the wrong time? i.e you were unlucky!!
On line is good mainly due to the convenience factor. Now that I have a decent bankroll I'll travel the 75 min.each way trip to THE STAR & virtual test some code 4 based ideas on multiple tables. If it shows promise then I'll play for real $$$$.
SL can still cheat and have legal compliance. Audits only concern themselves with longer term payout %s. They could still kill a large or large bets as they only represent blip spikes on the play radar. Probably cheating is more relevant to airball as they all have wheel/ball reading technology. Also we never know if the spun result is the actual live one or one from a data bank? As you usually hear a spin happening in the background ahead of the video image? Also sometimes the video image freezes but the spin results eventually will still process on the layout.
This means they have 2 separate feeds, surely the main indicator for possible manipulation ?
I was once a foreman of a jury on a very serious case, as then i wanted to see/hear substantial and essentially damning evidence before i chose yea or ney. Likewise the cheating proposal, in all my years i have never even remotely seen any sort of unusual behaviour, what i know is how badly i have played!!
also for example last year i was losing on another useless system and i became so frustrated i just started betting on my fave number 30, £50 a time, from my last £1000 (just to show how luncacy affects many gamblers this was money i could not afford to lose, of course i won on the 5th or so bet winning £1800,
a couple of months later the same thing happened but this time i bet £100 and sure enough i won £3500, but why did not they move the ball?
its all to easy to start thinking irrationally on any gambling event and particularly roulette, in the end one believes what one believes, The numbers of people involved in say the tampering of air balls or whatever on the main large bookie sites would i 'believe' result in the 'conspiracy' being discovered, also again i think you would regularly see what i could only describe as very very very unusual ball movements, what if there were numerous players all potentially winning large sums, how would the 'manipulator' decide what to do in the blink of an eye, like all conspiracy theories for me it just does not add up!
Also your win would not trouble them at all, but if you were doing it several times a day, week after week it would trouble them and they would 'cheat' by banning you or so im led to 'believe'DTH - The 1,300 you withdrew, was that from airball winnings ? How much was your money & how much was SL money?
Most was my money.
Another thing that's been mentioned elsewhere re SL is the display of free play bets in with the real money bets ? Obvously this distorts the true position of the table bets. Also, we never know if some of the big wins shown are real or fictitious creations of SL ?
I do think they do that, there are actually two sets of winners, on the live feed with live dealer they show winners i now believer that contain 'fun' players, but there is another list of winners on the statistics side that i think are the real winners (or visa versa)
what i think is far more amazing is how you manage your systems.!!! within the time frame of a spin, fantastic,
Cheers and good luck
Dth
DTH - Re:Your comment about managing my bets within the spin time frame window?
As I said in my post #21 on this thread I was only betting on 1 outside even money bet in an alternating O/E & R/B pattern. The trigger was always the "same as" number using the last spin. The progression was std. Marty off the $10 table minimum. When the losses reached L4 prog. = $80, I would actually outlay $85 on the even no. & a $5 insurance bet on zero. total bet $90. Loss risk is that $90. Win on the $85 bet - $5 zero bet = $80 = same as 3rd dbl up & so wins net $10.
A win on zero would give $175 - $85 = $90 profit. I always go a bit higher on the zero bets then the calculated break even amounts for a chance of some extra profit. All these insurance bets are pre calc'd for all the levels L4 & above (written down). So at lower levels I'm only placing 1 bet. At higher levels I only had to bet on 2 positions. Most bets were down with 30 sec. still on the clock.
What paid dividends at 1 period of the play = 47 bet lines were 4 Zero win strikes all on higher insurance bets with no other zeros appearing . Please substitute the dollar symbol for pounds here as my keyboard does not have that icon. I had a $5 winner - $85 = +$90, a $25 winner -$190 = +$685, a $10 winner - $110 = +$240 & a $25 winner - -$230 = $645. This gave me just about 1/2 of my total win profit. All up it was 3200 GBP. The insurance bets fluctuated a bit as I was getting a little tired so sometimes bet a little more.
In the next 95 spins zero only dropped twice at low level bets. Higher level bets won and the extra insurance amounts were always recovered. The highest bets were $225, 2 levels under the $1,000 table max. So luck made all the difference to my results for sure.
As with your luck being in on those straight up wins who knows the true answer to variable player & dealer conditions?
What I do think is that with many large bets in numerous positions by a handful of punters in busy periods they don't need to worry as only 1 position wins & 36 lose on the inside numbers.
Naturally this is the case all the time. To test a perceived conspiracy theory a player would have to play the live dealer wheel the same method in time blocks at different times of the day over a number of days, if the bankroll could support the campaign? Seeing that the table runs 9am to 6am the next day = 21 hours. Oh yeah, I'm in Oz so the time difference at this time of the seasons is + 10 GMT & +9 hours summer time. 27 deg.C. Oh please you SL lady motor mouths, it's winter here and was only 18 deg. C here today. Eventually in 6 months it may be 27 deg. C late at night?
Anyway 11pm UK is 8am the next day here in Sydney, so when your drinking warm beer I'm into bacon & eggs + coffee & toast. Live table play @ 6am there is 3pm in the arvo here. I've been caught out a few times with it as in summer here the time diff. increases to 11 hours with the daylight save adjusts.
Overall though the technology is amazing in that I can sit at home here in the suburbs in OZ. With a few clicks of the mouse log on to a casino 12,000 miles away in London. Transfer some bank funds via my debit card into my casino a/c. Select the game I wish to play and at the speed of light my bets are relayed onto the onscreen table & the bet info is updated & relayed back to me at the speed of light. At the same time I get the yabba yabba of those presenters. I'm thankful for the low volume option. What they should cater for more is for people from elsewhere in the world. Like who cares about Pommy soccer when the Aussie Rugby League session is full on ?
Yes I do agree with you about constant disciplined play. A lot of the time failures are due to the variables of the human body & mind. Deviating from the proven game plan particularly too small a bankroll has brought many a player undone. I know because I've been there a number of times. I consider myself extremely lucky to have won such a large amount last wed. off only a 100 GBP B/R. I cashed out as past history told me that this was a rare event. Actually the win was a return of most of my losses with SL over time so effectively it's pretty much my own money I have back.
My new venture based somewhat on code 4 is taking shape. I'll be testing it sometime next week at the Sydney Casino & posting my results. Hopefully it will be a goer & I'll be well prepared to rock on in and lay my money on the line. What I'd like to do is buy a new car. The last new one I bought was over 40 years ago. The rest have been used models. How great it would be to front my chosen dealer with $40k bucks and say "I want that one." 1st up though I have to get the runs on the board, so I ain't daydreaming about it.
Quote from: ausguy on May 27, 04:38 PM 2012
DTH - Re:Your comment about managing my bets within the spin time frame window?
As I said in my post #21 on this thread I was only betting on 1 outside even money bet in an alternating O/E & R/B pattern. The trigger was always the "same as" number using the last spin. The progression was std. Marty off the $10 table minimum. When the losses reached L4 prog. = $80, I would actually outlay $85 on the even no. & a $5 insurance bet on zero. total bet $90. Loss risk is that $90. Win on the $85 bet - $5 zero bet = $80 = same as 3rd dbl up & so wins net $10.
A win on zero would give $175 - $85 = $90 profit. I always go a bit higher on the zero bets then the calculated break even amounts for a chance of some extra profit. All these insurance bets are pre calc'd for all the levels L4 & above (written down). So at lower levels I'm only placing 1 bet. At higher levels I only had to bet on 2 positions. Most bets were down with 30 sec. still on the clock.
What paid dividends at 1 period of the play = 47 bet lines were 4 Zero win strikes all on higher insurance bets with no other zeros appearing . Please substitute the dollar symbol for pounds here as my keyboard does not have that icon. I had a $5 winner - $85 = +$90, a $25 winner -$190 = +$685, a $10 winner - $110 = +$240 & a $25 winner - -$230 = $645. This gave me just about 1/2 of my total win profit. All up it was 3200 GBP. The insurance bets fluctuated a bit as I was getting a little tired so sometimes bet a little more.
In the next 95 spins zero only dropped twice at low level bets. Higher level bets won and the extra insurance amounts were always recovered. The highest bets were $225, 2 levels under the $1,000 table max. So luck made all the difference to my results for sure.
As with your luck being in on those straight up wins who knows the true answer to variable player & dealer conditions?
What I do think is that with many large bets in numerous positions by a handful of punters in busy periods they don't need to worry as only 1 position wins & 36 lose on the inside numbers.
Naturally this is the case all the time. To test a perceived conspiracy theory a player would have to play the live dealer wheel the same method in time blocks at different times of the day over a number of days, if the bankroll could support the campaign? Seeing that the table runs 9am to 6am the next day = 21 hours. Oh yeah, I'm in Oz so the time difference at this time of the seasons is + 10 GMT & +9 hours summer time. 27 deg.C. Oh please you SL lady motor mouths, it's winter here and was only 18 deg. C here today. Eventually in 6 months it may be 27 deg. C late at night?
Anyway 11pm UK is 8am the next day here in Sydney, so when your drinking warm beer I'm into bacon & eggs + coffee & toast. Live table play @ 6am there is 3pm in the arvo here. I've been caught out a few times with it as in summer here the time diff. increases to 11 hours with the daylight save adjusts.
Overall though the technology is amazing in that I can sit at home here in the suburbs in OZ. With a few clicks of the mouse log on to a casino 12,000 miles away in London. Transfer some bank funds via my debit card into my casino a/c. Select the game I wish to play and at the speed of light my bets are relayed onto the onscreen table & the bet info is updated & relayed back to me at the speed of light. At the same time I get the yabba yabba of those presenters. I'm thankful for the low volume option. What they should cater for more is for people from elsewhere in the world. Like who cares about Pommy soccer when the Aussie Rugby League session is full on ?
Yes I do agree with you about constant disciplined play. A lot of the time failures are due to the variables of the human body & mind. Deviating from the proven game plan particularly too small a bankroll has brought many a player undone. I know because I've been there a number of times. I consider myself extremely lucky to have won such a large amount last wed. off only a 100 GBP B/R. I cashed out as past history told me that this was a rare event. Actually the win was a return of most of my losses with SL over time so effectively it's pretty much my own money I have back.
My new venture based somewhat on code 4 is taking shape. I'll be testing it sometime next week at the Sydney Casino & posting my results. Hopefully it will be a goer & I'll be well prepared to rock on in and lay my money on the line. What I'd like to do is buy a new car. The last new one I bought was over 40 years ago. The rest have been used models. How great it would be to front my chosen dealer with $40k bucks and say "I want that one." 1st up though I have to get the runs on the board, so I ain't daydreaming about it.
hi
many thanks for your very interesting reply
if i have £100 to spare i might give it a whirl re your even chance game!! Im off to Thailand 4 a nice holiday in September and may try it just before i go for a bit of fun!! strange things indeed happen at roulette, A Little while ago there was a tv documentary over here, about gambling addiction,
one guy played £100 up to £10,000 !!! but lost the lot two days later!!
today a 26 spin run without any column A numbers appearing, i won after starting the prog at 19th spin.
by the way i had a look at william hill live, a new table has appeared that has a £1 min and £1000 max for single numbers, + £1 min to £12,000 max for dozens and columns, and a max table bet of £500.000 !!!nice work if you can get it.
Very best of luck with your new plan
Cheers Dth
Since I haven’t tried playing there, I can’t tell whether the site is cheating or not. Guys, always choose provably fair games; it’s for your own good! Always calculate and verify through the public ledger if you feel that you are cheated.
Thanks for share it.Many many thanks for your interesting reply.If I have £200 to spare I might give it a whirl re your even chance game. I am off to Thailand 4 a nice holiday in September and may try it just before i go for a bit of fun!! strange things indeed happen at roulette,