How much longer do we have to put up with this obnoxious pr*ck?
Mods/Steve, this guy has been BANNED more than once from this forum. A ban is a ban. Every time he comes back he tries to be nice for a while and then gradually becomes more of a knob. It's time for him to go AGAIN.
Bayes,
i dont know who MOP is or was, but I agree it is a distraction. My agenda here is to learn about roulette. learn about numbers and learn about probabilities and odds.
Its difficult sometimes to get the drift of a post with all the distractions.
Turner
Quote from: Bayes on Jun 19, 06:05 PM 2012
How much longer do we have to put up with this obnoxious pr*ck?
Mods/Steve, this guy has been BANNED more than once from this forum. A ban is a ban. Every time he comes back he tries to be nice for a while and then gradually becomes more of a knob. It's time for him to go AGAIN.
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AGREE
So you need someone who:
1)When he reads about a new topic that contains an OLD LOSING SYSTEM that is already tested and tanked not to mention it.
2)When he see that we are in the 2012 and some members still can t understand that Hit and Run has no advantage and it s exactly the same as playing continiously not to mention it.
3)When he is testing a system and see that it s losing, not to post about it.
4)when he reads that someone has found a winning system(LoL) then post things like : " Oh good for you! "I admire you !" You are the man! "teach us how u do it?"
5)when he reads posts from newbies that has no understanding in roulette claiming that they know all,not to speak
6)And like Bayes suggests if i will test a posted system that it wins I will not post that it wins.
Ok I can do what you are asking.And then we will have a peacefull forum with no progress because all the losing ideas will be recycled over and over again.(this is happening over all the years in all forums)
So from now on I will be posting things like : "Oh my God what a clever and new approach!" in all the already tested losers.
Or even better I will do what old and expiriened members are doing....Not posting anything(because they are tired of the silly newbies) and just log in and read the BS and hope that 1 day i will read a topic that contains the H/G . Like a predator.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 20, 07:49 AM 2012
So you need someone who:
1)When he reads about a new topic that contains an OLD LOSING SYSTEM that is already tested and tanked not to mention it.
2)When he see that we are in the 2012 and some members still can t understand that Hit and Run has no advantage and it s exactly the same as playing continiously not to mention it.
3)When he is testing a system and see that it s losing, not to post about it.
4)when he reads that someone has found a winning system(LoL) then post things like : " Oh good for you! "I admire you !" You are the man! "teach us how u do it?"
5)when he reads posts from newbies that has no understanding in roulette claiming that they know all,not to speak
6)And like Bayes suggests if i will test a posted system that it wins I will not post that it wins.
Ok I can do what you are asking.And then we will have a peacefull forum with no progress because all the losing ideas will be recycled over and over again.(this is happening over all the years in all forums)
So from now on I will be posting things like : "Oh my God what a clever and new approach!" in all the already tested losers.
Or even better I will do what old and expiriened members are doing....Not posting anything(because they are tired of the silly newbies) and just log in and read the BS and hope that 1 day i will read a topic that contains the H/G . Like a predator.
Interestingly, perhaps there is some truth, but MOP where is your constant winning bet If I am not mistaken you are claiming that you have found one :twisted:
Me ? CWB?
U have to ke kidding....I am the one that exposed Charles and saved some ppl from sending him money...
So u must confuse me with someone else.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 20, 07:49 AM 2012
So you need someone who:
1)When he reads about a new topic that contains an OLD LOSING SYSTEM that is already tested and tanked not to mention it.
2)When he see that we are in the 2012 and some members still can t understand that Hit and Run has no advantage and it s exactly the same as playing continiously not to mention it.
3)When he is testing a system and see that it s losing, not to post about it.
4)when he reads that someone has found a winning system(LoL) then post things like : " Oh good for you! "I admire you !" You are the man! "teach us how u do it?"
5)when he reads posts from newbies that has no understanding in roulette claiming that they know all,not to speak
6)And like Bayes suggests if i will test a posted system that it wins I will not post that it wins.
Ok I can do what you are asking.And then we will have a peacefull forum with no progress because all the losing ideas will be recycled over and over again.(this is happening over all the years in all forums)
So from now on I will be posting things like : "Oh my God what a clever and new approach!" in all the already tested losers.
Or even better I will do what old and expiriened members are doing....Not posting anything(because they are tired of the silly newbies) and just log in and read the BS and hope that 1 day i will read a topic that contains the H/G . Like a predator.
--The problem is that you never have produced prove of any testings except just words....It doesn't work,watch out ppl.think with your head.........and day after you are posting a new thread/after you busted other person thread/with some system that have been always proved loser.
You want to be in headlines,thats your problem,you wish to be instructor and show us all here
how experienced loser you are......As I suggested to you open your own thread and preach about roulette and don't disturb like a parrot in other ppl.threads....targeted with only one intention so that you can post a new own thread with losing creation.My friend,here are many real every day players,me included,who exchange theirs ideas and experiences....positive ppl.and only with such approach you can be successful in casino.This tells you 73 year old man who plays this game
on daily basis for almost 50 years.And newer call anybody newbies couse you don't know who are you talking too.And last,if you wana win,must have in your pockets 50 times more then your actual aim to win....patience and mostly long experience...knowing your dealer and the wheel you are playing on,better then your own wife....Amen
whatever you say Vile.
I will not argue with you anymore as there is no point.
And when I say "newbies" i don't particular mean members that aren t involved in roulette for a long time , but I also mean members that even if they are a long time in roulette they haven t understood anything.The 2nd group is the worst.
Its fascinating that we are a few over the world that we are exploring roulette...as this occupation/hobby is for the crazy ones :)
So I will not be negative from now on with anybody....I will behave even if i will be watching BS topics.
After all we are big family in here and when You have a family u must respect all members even the slow ones.
I just wish there was a section in the forum witch only experienced members with correct understanding in roulette would participate only.
I am also a little bit sad with bayes that said that if he would test a system and would be a winner he would never say it in here,......think about it.....we are all together in the surface but in deep we aren t....this is not a way that a team should work.
Man
In families,works,politics,church...it is all same.
Therefore Bayes,at least sounds straight forward
and frank....thats how you judge a man.
Enough for today...swimming and stare at young bikinis
down the sea.To old...thats what makes me young....lol
Therefore Bayes,at least sounds straight forward
I am straigh forward and this is what u didn t like from the begining....and if an other person had posted a system and after my tests it would be a winner , then I would give congrajulation to the guy and post that its a winner....this is straight forward. Bayes is not straight.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 20, 09:17 AM 2012
Me ? consistent winning bet?
You have to ke kidding....I am the one that exposed Charles Scammer and saved some people from sending him money...
So u must confuse me with someone else.
If you are not Roulette Explorer and if it is no secret what's your username that you used last, or is this your first time to write on this forum?
Now wait a minute.......
Was it
a/ A constant winning bet
b/ A consistent winning bet
or
c/ A constantly winning bet?
I'm so easily KonFused.
TCS
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 20, 10:04 AM 2012
Therefore Bayes,at least sounds straight forward
I am straigh forward and this is what u didn t like from the begining....and if an other person had posted a system and after my tests it would be a winner , then I would give congrajulation to the guy and post that its a winner....this is straight forward. Bayes is not straight.
And what about the thousands of members here who never post or contribute anything? am I worse than them? :-\
I sincerely believe that there is no such thing as the system most members are here to find, including you, so I don't think the issue will arise. There are methods of winning, but there is no machine with a handle which you can just turn and crank out thousand of chips profit. It will never happen without applying some intelligence and study, plus a lot of hard work and discipline. The sort of system everyone wants should:
1) Involve no risk, require only a small bankroll and have minimal draw-downs.
2) Should not require any discipline to play it.
3) Should not require any thinking or concentration.
That's about it, right?
I have to break each of these 3 "rules" every time I play roulette. It's not that you need to apply yourself only until you've found THE SYSTEM and then you can relax. No, it's ALWAYS a battle to come out ahead. I happen to enjoy it, but it's not for everyone. If that's the case, my advise is just make it a hobby, and of course there's nothing wrong with that.
MOP, the main thing which annoys me about your posts is that you talk down to members and sneer at them, which isn't a good way to encourage more contributions. Maybe there are some newbies with good ideas, but I doubt it they'll post with someone like you around who makes fun of them. You can make your points without being so nasty about it. Not everyone is as thick-skinned as Flukey Luke. Part of the reason I wouldn't post the results of a winning system in the public area is because of members like you. It's a shame, but the same old story everywhere you look; a very few people often spoil things for the majority.
Also, I don't know whether you realise it or not, but you keep talking about the math and house edge, and how a system can't work because of it, but this applies equally well to the systems YOU post. If you're going to insist that roulette is unbeatable because of the math, then at least be consistent. Sometimes you seem like 2 different people, do you realize how hypocritical you're being?
"""There are methods of winning, but there is no machine with a handle which you can just turn and crank out thousand of chips profit."""
This is a big contradiction.U just said 2 def things
"""The sort of system everyone wants should:
1) Involve no risk, require only a small bankroll and have minimal draw-downs.
2) Should not require any discipline to play it.
3) Should not require any thinking or concentration."""
1) YES
2)If You have a winning system then u don't need any discipline couse You are just folowing it s rules and You are ok.
3)If You have a winning system you should ofcource think and be concentrated where to place next bet... its not a big deal.
"""I have to break each of these 3 "rules" every time I play roulette. It's not that you need to apply yourself only until you've found THE SYSTEM and then you can relax. No, it's ALWAYS a battle to come out ahead. I happen to enjoy it, but it's not for everyone."""
This is gambling and I hate gambling.
"""MOP, the main thing which annoys me about your posts is that you talk down to members and sneer at them, which isn't a good way to encourage more contributions."""
I already said that it won t happen again because there is no point as nobody listens.
"""Part of the reason I wouldn't post the results of a winning system in the public area is because of members like you."""
No. You got it all opposite...Its members like me that you should post a winning system(if there is one)...Because I hate gambling and I care only to win and not risk money and because I am perfect understander of how roulette works and I can perfectly appriciate a winning system.
"""Also, I don't know whether you realise it or not, but you keep talking about the math and house edge, and how a system can't work because of it, but this applies equally well to the systems YOU post. If you're going to insist that roulette is unbeatable because of the math, then at least be consistent. Sometimes you seem like 2 different people, do you realize how hypocritical you're being?""""
You are also wrong here.
It s because I know the maths and the power of the house edje ,that s why I never posted any system claiming that it s a winner...
You also know the maths and the house edge , yet You are also posting systems..so we aren t doing anything deferent.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 20, 01:07 PM 2012
"""There are methods of winning, but there is no machine with a handle which you can just turn and crank out thousand of chips profit."""
This is a big contradiction.U just said 2 def things
"""The sort of system everyone wants should:
1) Involve no risk, require only a small bankroll and have minimal draw-downs.
2) Should not require any discipline to play it.
3) Should not require any thinking or concentration."""
1) YES
2)If You have a winning system then u don't need any discipline couse You are just folowing it s rules and You are ok.
3)If You have a winning system you should ofcource think and be concentrated where to place next bet... its not a big deal.
"""I have to break each of these 3 "rules" every time I play roulette. It's not that you need to apply yourself only until you've found THE SYSTEM and then you can relax. No, it's ALWAYS a battle to come out ahead. I happen to enjoy it, but it's not for everyone."""
This is gambling and I hate gambling.
"""MOP, the main thing which annoys me about your posts is that you talk down to members and sneer at them, which isn't a good way to encourage more contributions."""
I already said that it won t happen again because there is no point as nobody listens.
"""Part of the reason I wouldn't post the results of a winning system in the public area is because of members like you."""
No. You got it all opposite...Its members like me that you should post a winning system(if there is one)...Because I hate gambling and I care only to win and not risk money and because I am perfect understander of how roulette works and I can perfectly appriciate a winning system.
"""Also, I don't know whether you realise it or not, but you keep talking about the math and house edge, and how a system can't work because of it, but this applies equally well to the systems YOU post. If you're going to insist that roulette is unbeatable because of the math, then at least be consistent. Sometimes you seem like 2 different people, do you realize how hypocritical you're being?""""
You are also wrong here.
It s because I know the maths and the power of the house edje ,that s why I never posted any system claiming that it s a winner...
You also know the maths and the house edge , yet You are also posting systems..so we aren t doing anything different.
The problem with you MOP is you don't know which side of the fence you are on. There is no way to beat this game its gambling and I hate gambling you say. REALLY??? Now what will you say if you see me win everytime I play Bayes RNG. Never see my overall BR do anything but grow?.
I fight against people like you who talk about this nonsense called house edge. I call it Losers learning. A person can actually learn how to be a loser before they ever lose a cent at the wheel. I've been there. Its only when I rinsed my mind of all the so-called experts does and donts of roulette. AND PROVED TO MYSELF. This game was for the taking. That I have been doing nothing but winning overall ever since. That's why people who spout all this maths nonsense offend me. I already know they are the ones talking nonsense.
That's why I have put myself on the line with Bayes creation. And by years end no one will ever doubt what I say ever again. I will next show you how any live casino can be beat. What you need to do MOP is forget what you think you know. I am going to rewrite a lot of peoples thinking. I've just discovered something that I believe is the closest thing to a real affordable playable grail. And I will show rather than tell of its worth. Then those who want to learn it properly will get it.
I can to a degree understand your frustrations MOP. Because most forums are awful. This one is the best I've ever seen. And the only reason I persisted with this one was because I want as many people as possible to once and for all realize the game of Roulette is not one of futility. Once you approach it properly. I will also prove beyond a shadow of a doubt Hit and Run is a better way than straght long drawn out sessions. Theres a lot of positive light that needs to be shed on forums like this. That's my goal.
"""I fight against people like you who talk about this nonsense called house edge."""
Whoever says that the house edge is nonsense he is talking nonsense.
"""Now what will you say if you see me win everytime I play Bayes RNG"""
This will never happen...we know it for sure and u know it better.And why RNG and not real spins?
JL you are the last one that u should be talking.
You are feeding all the forum with lies for a long tome and that s why almost everyone is attacking on you.
Do what u claim that You can do and then u will have the respect u want.
But how can you do something that it can t be done....so once again u will be proved as a liar.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 20, 04:02 PM 2012
I fight against people like you who talk about this nonsense called house edge.
;D There would be nobody posting on this forum if the player had an edge of 2.7 or 5.4%.
"""There would be nobody posting on this forum if the player had an edge of 2.7 or 5.4%."""
Exactky my point. Thanks FL
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 20, 01:07 PM 2012
"""There are methods of winning, but there is no machine with a handle which you can just turn and crank out thousand of chips profit."""
This is a big contradiction.U just said 2 def things
"""The sort of system everyone wants should:
1) Involve no risk, require only a small bankroll and have minimal draw-downs.
2) Should not require any discipline to play it.
3) Should not require any thinking or concentration."""
1) YES
2)If You have a winning system then u don't need any discipline couse You are just folowing it s rules and You are ok.
3)If You have a winning system you should ofcource think and be concentrated where to place next bet... its not a big deal.
"""I have to break each of these 3 "rules" every time I play roulette. It's not that you need to apply yourself only until you've found THE SYSTEM and then you can relax. No, it's ALWAYS a battle to come out ahead. I happen to enjoy it, but it's not for everyone."""
This is gambling and I hate gambling.
MOP, there is no contradiction. The sort of system you're looking for cannot possibly win, because they all have their variance. For one thing, you need more than one system and for each of them you need to know when to start playing it and when to move to another. So I suppose you could say I do use a certain kind of "hit and run", but it isn't the kind which JL advocates.
I don't follow a system but just a few principles. I don't have any idea what I'm going to be doing before I start a session, apart from not deviating from the principles. The MM is tightly integrated with the bet selection. Progressions are created on the fly in response to whatever the history is. If things turn out worse than I expected, I make the necessary adjustments until they go my way. Isn't that just common sense? It's really not so hard once you get into the right mindset.
One of the principles is that things won't continue to get worse indefinitely. Nothing to do with the gambler's fallacy, just probability. It's like TG says: "random has limits". Find those limits, then get to work on MM.
True, none of this changes the house edge, but although you can't ignore it, it's not the main reason why players lose and systems fail. Most lose because they get into a losing sequence which they haven't anticipated or accounted for because they haven't done enough research. Start at the far end of the bell curve and things can only get better. They may get worse for a while, but that's temporary and can be taken care of with money management. Think about it, 50% of the time you're around even, 25% of the time you're having a good run and the remaining 25% of the time is losing (I'm talking about EC bets). Eliminating even 10% of that 25% puts you in a strong position, and 75% of the time you're either winning or breaking even in terms of wins and losses, but MM can make you a profit even in a mild negative sequence.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 20, 04:37 PM 2012
"""I fight against people like you who talk about this nonsense called house edge."""
Whoever says that the house edge is nonsense he is talking nonsense.
"""Now what will you say if you see me win everytime I play Bayes RNG"""
This will never happen...we know it for sure and You know it better.And why RNG and not real spins?
JL you are the last one that u should be talking.
You are feeding all the forum with lies for a long tome and that s why almost everyone is attacking on you.
Do what u claim that You can do and then u will have the respect u want.
But how can you do something that it can t be done....so once again u will be proved as a liar.
How can you do something that cant be done? Okay we have it in writing now MOP that is where you stand with the game. Now we will see what you have to say a few months down the road. Better still by years end.
I will first defeat an RNG. Then I will show anyone interested how to beat live wheels online aswell as a B&M casino.
Quote from: flukey luke on Jun 20, 04:40 PM 2012
;D There would be nobody posting on this forum if the player had an edge of 2.7 or 5.4%.
Flukey. Your method IF any good doesnt care about House edge. Its pure strikerate. The house edge is already there. The method is either good enough to profit in spite of it. Or it isnt.
I understand what u are saying Bayes but as u said we can t know when the 1 system will continue losing or start winning in order to change to an other and we don t know if the change to the other(s) will do any good ....maybe will do bad maybe will do good...so still no advantage in this kind of play....
But the other things u mentioned about the MM is something that I agree.
I know that the kind of system that I and most of us are looking may not exist...
But we are all in here hoping.....
JL I can t exchange any more words with you as u are always "I will, I will , I will" so until "you will" i don t have any mood speaking with you as you are always sayng the same empty talks.
I will be here to see if you are keeping your word...I sure doubt(and most of the members also) , but I will be here.