Hi Guys,
Last Monday at the Rio Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas there was a run of seven 19s in a row and also eight out of 9 in a row! (3 Billion to 1 shot)
Just sayin'....[attachimg=1]
nice, how much you was betting on what number after fourth 19?:)
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Jun 21, 08:05 AM 2012
Hi Guys,
Last Monday at the Rio Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas there was a run of seven 19s in a row and also eight out of 9 in a row! (3 Billion to 1 shot)
Just sayin'....[attachimg=1]
LOL, even more proof RNG is safer, over the past 6 months members have reported some real eye openers from live wheels, look at the 2 sets of 2x20 too
:twisted:
Quote from: superman on Jun 21, 09:19 AM 2012
LoL, even more proof RNG is safer
Dear superman, cnoncernig such situations belive safer would be depending on what you play.
But only crazy ones wouldnt play that number and close sector in situations like this i suppose 8)
Cheers
Drazen
Wow!
I wouldn't have believed it without seeing it.
The most I had seen prior to this one was a three in a row, several times.
Thanks for the picture.
AD
Quote from: drazen_cro on Jun 21, 09:45 AM 2012
Dear superman, cnoncernig such situations belive safer would be depending on what you play.
But only crazy ones wouldnt play that number and close sector in situations like this i suppose 8)
Cheers
Drazen
It shows us that this game anything can happen,you can tell the wheel to take a kerap in the corner and it will do it,but sometimes it might be constipated might take longer.
Voodoo would have gotten most of those 19s......... >:D
Very interesting, and look at the 20s too.
I was playing WH live 2 weeks ago on a Friday afternoon, and had
2
2
2
2
dealer change
then 13 numbers later
2
2
2
If I had have been playing RNG I would have said that it was unfair.
A
QuoteIf I had have been playing RNG I would have said that it was unfair
My point exactly!!
Quote from: superman on Jun 21, 11:13 AM 2012
My point exactly!!
Solution is simple. Dont play RNG-s and if yu loose on situations like this, you will know you are not cheated.
Although in my country in almost all casinos live wheels or rigged RNG is same lol
Cheers
What is the logic behind any existing Roulette System !!!
First spin.
First the dealer pick up the ball and give the rotor a tiny slight push.
The rotor is moving with one specific speed.
Then the dealer spin the ball with one specific force.
The ball will travel on the ball track and later lose force and hit one deflector.
Finally the ball will hit rotor and scatter around to finally stay in one pocket.
The winning number.
Second spin.
The dealer pick up the ball and give the rotor a tiny slight push.
The rotor is moving with one specific speed witch is not the same speed as the previous spin.
Then the dealer spin the ball with one specific force witch is not the same as the previous spin.
The ball will travel on the ball track and later lose force and hit one deflector witch probably will not be the same deflector as previous spin.
Finally the ball will hit rotor witch as a new position then previous spin and scatter around to finally stay in one new pocket witch is not the same winning number as the previous spin.
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The rotor has random speeds and different positions at the end as the ball has different travel length or time-frame to the very end when it randomly strike one deflector among others to finally hit rotor and randomly scatter around and at the very end stay in one pocket - the winning number.
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This means that the wheel has 37 degree of freedom and there is no laws or probability witch can predict where the ball will end up as nothing is due to happen.
This is what gamblers fallacy is based upon - that past result can not have any impact or influence or future ones as we deal with 37 degree of freedom.
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This means that every existing book that you can buy witch offers roulette systems should be criminal as they are based upon a lie.
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Cheers
Quote from: ego on Jun 21, 05:25 PM 2012
First spin.
First the dealer pick up the ball and give the rotor a tiny slight push.
The rotor is moving with one specific speed.
Then the dealer spin the ball with one specific force.
The ball will travel on the ball track and later lose force and hit one deflector.
Finally the ball will hit rotor and scatter around to finally stay in one pocket.
The winning number.
Second spin.
The dealer pick up the ball and give the rotor a tiny slight push.
The rotor is moving with one specific speed witch is not the same speed as the previous spin.
Then the dealer spin the ball with one specific force witch is not the same as the previous spin.
The ball will travel on the ball track and later lose force and hit one deflector witch probably will not be the same deflector as previous spin.
Finally the ball will hit rotor witch as a new position then previous spin and scatter around to finally stay in one new pocket witch is not the same winning number as the previous spin.
Does it mean that the dealer in the Rio Casino managed to push the rotor and spin the ball with exactly same force and speed for seven times in the row? Or perhaps higher speed has been (un)intentionally compensated with the lower force and vice versa?
Which.
Quote from: ADulay on Jun 21, 09:00 PM 2012
Which.
Also, not in this thread, but >>>
Those.
Scooby could I ask where you got that picture from ??
I've gotta think that it is doctored in some fashion.
Thank You.
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Jun 22, 12:15 AM 2012
Scooby could I ask where you got that picture from ??
I've gotta think that it is doctored in some fashion.
Thank You.
O0
More likely the number scanner was faulty, it happens all the time >> seen this stuff myself.
Were you there to see this phenomenon blow by blow, Scoobs?
I got the photo from the main page of Yahoo. It was one of the stories listed there. No, I was not there to see it myself but apparently one of the poker players from the World Series of Poker (which is in progress there) happened to see it and snapped a pic with his cellphone.
Quote from: ego on Jun 21, 05:25 PM 2012
What is the logic behind any existing Roulette System !!!
First spin.
First the dealer pick up the ball and give the rotor a tiny slight push.
The rotor is moving with one specific speed.
Then the dealer spin the ball with one specific force.
The ball will travel on the ball track and later lose force and hit one deflector.
Finally the ball will hit rotor and scatter around to finally stay in one pocket.
The winning number.
Second spin.
The dealer pick up the ball and give the rotor a tiny slight push.
The rotor is moving with one specific speed witch is not the same speed as the previous spin.
Then the dealer spin the ball with one specific force witch is not the same as the previous spin.
The ball will travel on the ball track and later lose force and hit one deflector witch probably will not be the same deflector as previous spin.
Finally the ball will hit rotor witch as a new position then previous spin and scatter around to finally stay in one new pocket witch is not the same winning number as the previous spin.
-
The rotor has random speeds and different positions at the end as the ball has different travel length or time-frame to the very end when it randomly strike one deflector among others to finally hit rotor and randomly scatter around and at the very end stay in one pocket - the winning number.
-
This means that the wheel has 37 degree of freedom and there is no laws or probability witch can predict where the ball will end up as nothing is due to happen.
This is what gamblers fallacy is based upon - that past result can not have any impact or influence or future ones as we deal with 37 degree of freedom.
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This means that every existing book that you can buy witch offers roulette systems should be criminal as they are based upon a lie.
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Cheers
Life is based on a lie Ego. Ironically, its your name that is to the reason for that.
Quote from: turnerfeck on Jun 23, 03:37 PM 2012
Life is based on a lie Ego. Ironically, its your name that is to the reason for that.
Life is not based upon a lie - sad if you think so.
I can agree that life or our world could be better.
What has my name to do with anything - dont understand your point of view.
Enjoy life and the game - take care ...
THIS GOES TO SHOW YOU WHEN A WHEEL IS NOT BALANCED,I WISH I WAS ON THAT NUMBER.
Quote from: ego on Jun 23, 04:21 PM 2012
Life is not based upon a lie - sad if you think so.
I can agree that life or our world could be better.
What has my name to do with anything - don't understand your point of view.
Enjoy life and the game - take care ...
Your name is Ego. the ego creats a lie. Wants, hopes, hates ,likes, needs. Its just the ego being greedy and needy.
Wrong forum perhaps...lol
Hello ScoobyDoo!!
Do you think there is any way we can find out which wheel that was in the casino?
Might be interesting for one of our friends in Las Vegas to play it.
I believe warriors assumption might have credit as there were 4 20's before hand.
There were actually 8 19's in 9 spins........
once in a life time event
link:s://:.google.ca/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=number+19+seven+times+in+a+row&oq=number+19+seven+times+in+a+row&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=hp.3...1756.8069.0.8414.30.29.0.0.0.0.330.3371.14j14j0j1.29.0.ciatsh..0.0.PxQSf68hdkM&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=3ab40ad1030bf09c&biw=1024&bih=636 (link:s://:.google.ca/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=number+19+seven+times+in+a+row&oq=number+19+seven+times+in+a+row&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=hp.3...1756.8069.0.8414.30.29.0.0.0.0.330.3371.14j14j0j1.29.0.ciatsh..0.0.PxQSf68hdkM&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=3ab40ad1030bf09c&biw=1024&bih=636)
AMK, u can be sure that this wheel has been thouroghly checked for bias thereafter
Quote from: amk on Jun 23, 07:47 PM 2012
Hello ScoobyDoo!!
Do you think there is any way we can find out which wheel that was in the casino?
Might be interesting for one of our friends in Las Vegas to play it.
I believe warriors assumption might have credit as there were 4 20's before hand.
There were actually 8 19's in 9 spins........
Turnerfeck, i would not recommend u telling such things Ego. He is a veteran member of those forums. He also contributes a lot and knows a lot about roulette. And his nickname should not create any problems for anyone. It is not abusive whatsoever.
Quote from: turnerfeck on Jun 23, 06:59 PM 2012
Your name is Ego. the ego creats a lie. Wants, hopes, hates ,likes, needs. Its just the ego being greedy and needy.
Wrong forum perhaps...LoL
"Just for giggles, if you had made a $5 bet on #19, and let it ride all seven times, you would have won $321,696,484,375 and instantly become the wealthiest person alive (as well as bankrupt the entire organization)."
:xd: :twisted:
vundarosa
And what about the betting limit vundarosa? :)
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 24, 05:31 AM 2012
And what about the betting limit vundarosa?
Hmmm.
M_O_P brings up a point that is largely overlooked by almost everyone, including the so called pros.
The betting limit!
Do you think it’s there for your protection? I DON’T THINK SO!
In the main it is there to stop precisely the type of scenario posted by vundarosa.
The betting limits are really there for the casino’s protection. Believe me; if they could they would introduce flat betting for all and sundry, and it may still happen.
Think about it, a guaranteed 2.7% edge with no risk of a big win for anybody, ever!
Find a way to use the limits, guys. Be as safe and inventive as you can about it, but use the limits.
Quote from: turnerfeck on Jun 23, 06:59 PM 2012
Your name is Ego. the ego creats a lie. Wants, hopes, hates ,likes, needs. Its just the ego being greedy and needy.
Wrong forum perhaps...LoL
link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=UduuxKdPt9Q# (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=UduuxKdPt9Q#)
"""In the main it is there to stop precisely the type of scenario posted by vundarosa."""
This is what I said Skakus.
I ment that the scenario that vundarosa posted can t happen because of the table limits.
An I don't think that anyone can think that the table limits are for the players protection...never crossed my mind.
Its clearly for the Casinos protections against martignale and other systems with progressions.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 24, 06:39 AM 2012
Its clearly for the Casinos protections against Martingale and other systems with progressions.
Then why all the,
'flat bet this and flat bet that!'
'If it can't win flat betting then it's no good.'
'Progressions can never win in the long run.'
'Test it with flat betting.'
'A good system doesn't need any progression.'
'See if it wins over 1 million spins flat betting then you might have something'.
'I only ever flat bet'.
Flat f*cking flat! lol!
I just read the following....
''One problem, the pic was real but not the results. It never happened. The wheel was being tested and this was just a diagnostic test. Confirmed by multi news sites and the Rio Casino in vegas.''
That's not to say that it couldn't happen of course.... I have personally witnessed 5 x 25 last year.
Electronic glitch!!!
link:://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2012/06/22/electronic-glitch-cause-of-7-straight-19s/ (link:://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2012/06/22/electronic-glitch-cause-of-7-straight-19s/)
These electronic scoreboards play up all the time. They tend to miss numbers out as well.
I sometimes play at the terminals linked up to a live wheel spun by the croupier and there are times when the number does not register. The manager or pit boss has to then manually enter the number on a keyboard that is located under the table.
I would not trust the marquee if I was playing something like RWD or needing to track loads of spins before playing.
'Test it with flat betting.'
'A good system doesn't need any progression.'
'See if it wins over 1 million spins flat betting then you might have something'.
This is what I am saying skakus a lot of years now.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 24, 11:21 AM 2012
'Test it with flat betting.'
'A good system doesn't need any progression.'
'See if it wins over 1 million spins flat betting then you might have something'.
This is what I am saying skakus a lot of years now.
Is there any bet selection better than other in 1 million spins?
Anyone here played 1 million spins for real?
Quote from: albertojonas on Jun 24, 01:17 PM 2012
Is there any bet selection better than other in 1 million spins?
Anyone here played 1 million spins for real?
9 to 5 job. 8 hours a day. 500 spins daily on airball. 15k monthly. 180k yearly. In 6 years mission accomplished including 2 weeks vacation time ;D It can be done AJ.
Eligible 4 1M spins casino visitor. 100 Euro bonus.
""Anyone here played 1 million spins for real?"""
no ... but why do we have to care about that?
Testing a system in 1M spins to see if it s a winner has NOTHING to do with playing 1M spins for real.
There are 2 completely different things.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 24, 01:58 PM 2012
Testing a system in 1M spins to see if it s a winner has NOTHING to do with playing 1M spins for real.
There are 2 completely different things.
imagine the system you tested starts to sink at spin 1 million and thirty...
it doesn't prove you that it wont sink 10 times in a row hitting table limits for instance. believing otherwise is Gambler's Fallacy...
I understand testing a large ammount of spins to learn bet results behaviour in order to adapt mm.
But still firmly believe that 300 spins B&M casino is the standard for 1 day of play... And this should be what every playing model is based upon.
Testing a system in 1M spins to see if it s a winner has NOTHING to do with playing 1M spins for real.
i did not say that it has anything to do with it. Anyway you can pass 1 million spins playing flat betting red.
IS one Bet Selection better than other?
Cheers
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jun 24, 01:42 PM 2012
9 to 5 job. 8 hours a day. 500 spins daily on airball. 15k monthly. 180k yearly. In 6 years mission accomplished including 2 weeks vacation time ;D It can be done AJ.
Eligible 4 1M spins casino visitor. 100 Euro bonus.
that's a joke.
on the same airball machines??? bull. even if it happened, the guy would be banned after 1 month, if not after 2 weeks. But anyway that's impossible.
Rob, i respect u, but with such things in mind guys set for themselves unrealistic goals which are impossible to be accomplished and that's why they can't win consistently.
U guys sometimes make me wonder -- do u look at roulette as random numbers which are hit by the ball or some mysterious religious thing like a church holy icon which may cry and do other wonders? How one can believe that on the same unbiased wheel (or a few wheels) it is possible to play 9 to 5 every day and then get out after a month with a solid amount regularly? It's plain impossible. Unless some magic is involved or paranormal forces of nature. Or visual ballistics of course which is totally different story.
any way -- no casino will tolerate such a player for significant period of time.
"""Anyway you can pass 1 million spins playing flat betting red."""
Who said that?
"""imagine the system you tested starts to sink at spin 1 million and thirty..."""
It can t tank after the 1M spins....because if it was so strong that passed 1.000.000 spins ,then it means that it isn t kneeling under the 2,7....
"""But still firmly believe that 300 spins B&M casino is the standard for 1 day of play... And this should be what every playing model is based upon."""
I agree....so the correct way is to do tests in about 3000 sessions of 300 spins in order to see how strong the system is....so again 3000 X300=900.000 . So close to 1M :D
You can test any method a whole life like this. with the same results. :'(
that's a TUNNEL VISION, my friends. the best method is gonna be doomed like that.
u should realize that any strong method will hit much much less frequent. Unless something else involved. VB, bias or whatever. Voodoo. How many methods u already tested? hundreds probably.
Which one showed results with long sessions consistently? NONE!
make your conclusions. Dont step on the same rake over and over again. Use some statistics in your test with each method. Statistics for God's sake! Not voodoo, no religious believes, no grandfather stories from Monte Carlo!
Quote from: iggiv on Jun 24, 10:14 PM 2012
You can test any method a whole life like this. with the same results. :'(
that's a TUNNEL VISION, my friends. the best method is gonna be doomed like that.
u should realize that any strong method will hit much much less frequent. Unless something else involved. VB, bias or whatever. Voodoo. How many methods u already tested? hundreds probably.
Which one showed results with long sessions consistently? NONE!
make your conclusions. don't step on the same rake over and over again. Use some statistics in your test with each method. Statistics for God's sake! Not voodoo, no religious believes, no grandfather stories from Monte Carlo!
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.........such as?!
vundarosa
take RX, take let's say 20 k spins from Germany from one of the wheels. Play your method. Don't expect it to win all the time. Expect it to win SOMETIMES. Find out how frequently it can win on average. Use a few wheels. spielbank casinos have maybe 30 wheels to play virtually with.
Quote from: iggiv on Jun 23, 10:04 PM 2012
Turnerfeck, i would not recommend u telling such things Ego. He is a veteran member of those forums. He also contributes a lot and knows a lot about roulette. And his nickname should not create any problems for anyone. It is not abusive whatsoever.
Maybe my point isnt correctly explaind in flat text.
I said life is a lie. As i typed it i realised its Ego that posted and the reason for life being a lie is "the Ego". Nothing to do with what you posted. Misunderstanding again
Quote from: turnerfeck on Jun 25, 10:24 AM 2012
Maybe my point isnt correctly explaind in flat text.
I said life is a lie. As i typed it i realised its Ego that posted and the reason for life being a lie is "the Ego". Just a coincidense I noticed. Nothing to do with what you posted.
Misunderstanding again
Just thinking....text on the phone....the amount of times my wife thinks Im being sarcastic or something when I text her, and when I read it back, it sounds aweful.
Lets move on :thumbsup:
no problm
Quote from: iggiv on Jun 24, 10:41 PM 2012
take RX, take let's say 20 k spins from Germany from one of the wheels. Play your method. Don't expect it to win all the time. Expect it to win SOMETIMES. Find out how frequently it can win on average. Use a few wheels. spielbank casinos have maybe 30 wheels to play virtually with.
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gr8 tips :thumbsup: thx
vundarosa
u r welcome. Hopefully u will use it.
Quote from: vundarosa on Jun 25, 09:54 PM 2012
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gr8 tips :thumbsup: thanks
vundarosa
Quote from: turnerfeck on Jun 25, 12:48 PM 2012
Just thinking....text on the phone....the amount of times my wife thinks I'm being sarcastic or something when I text her, and when I read it back, it sounds aweful.
Lets move on :thumbsup:
Sorry for the offtopic, but before moving on, some fod for tougth about the "ego" ... (not Mr. ego)
link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=V-mkia0RE6A# (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=V-mkia0RE6A#)
Sorry about the crappy music behind, but could not find a better version anywhere...
Chears, then move on :)
UPDATE: According to the official blog of the hotels and casinos operated by Caesars Entertainment (which includes the Rio), the number 19 streak was because of a glitch in the roulette's display. "The numeric displays on roulette tables are more of a convenience for players, and their number sensor thingys sometimes get it wrong. These displays have nothing to do with the roulette wheels, and are no reflection on the integrity of the game," the blog states.
Quote from: iggiv on Jun 24, 10:41 PM 2012
take RX, take let's say 20 k spins from Germany from one of the wheels. Play your method. Don't expect it to win all the time. Expect it to win SOMETIMES. Find out how frequently it can win on average. Use a few wheels. spielbank casinos have maybe 30 wheels to play virtually with.
didn't "snowman" / "herb" (from GG/VLS) say 10,000 "actual" bets was enough for a testing of system???
Let's remember the owner of this website made a BIG effort to get snowman/herb's book about VB/ the physics of the roulette wheel.
I feel Iggv's call of 20k spins is half right.
O0
Quote from: ddarko on Jun 26, 10:50 PM 2012
didn't "snowman" / "herb" (from GG/VLS) say 10,000 "actual" bets was enough for a testing of system???
Let's remember the owner of this website made a BIG effort to get snowman/herb's book about VB/ the physics of the roulette wheel.
I feel Iggv's call of 20k spins is half right.
O0
20k or 40k is sort of irrelevant. U need 2 interpret charts. If system is in negative after lets say 20k continuous spins it does not tell u much. U need 2 break it down 2 reflect real play conditions. What was a biggest draw down, biggest winning streak, what would be result incorporating win goal n stop loss n etc.. U can get this info from a chart. Better 2 have is 100 of 100 spins charts then one of 10k.
sometime last december iwhile looking at the board i saw num 10 appears 10 times in a row.