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Premise:

If I didn't think this was a winning method, I would not waste a minute on it.  But I do and I want to learn it right.

Look at this post by Drazen:

******Mr TCS let me try to explain

Ok you go on last 3 lines until lose. After lose switch to furthest 3 until lose. That is 1 cycle and after that you raise or reduce chips depending on winning/non wining cycle.


5
3
5
2-start to bet last 3 (253)
2w
4L-switch to furthest from the ones you bet (those were 253-so now you bet 416)
1w
4w
5L-our cycle ends and again we bet last 3 so they are 541
1w
2L-now furthest again from last we were betting (furthest from 541 are 236)
6w
6w
5L last (562)*****


That I totally understand and could play it easily........

Now the forum will not let me copy Vile''s post to this post.  Please see next post...........

Vile's post............
***************************************************************************************************
1,
2,
3,
4,--trigg.to bet las 3 lines...you have asked why 3 last....answer is simple and logical.
      you have much mor chance that these last 3 hit then opposite,as in these situations of 4
      uniques lines it happens in 70% of spins/you can check it up/in case opposite and comes;
5,  now you have much more chance that last 3 will hit,as rarely you see 6 uniques,and with
     logical pressumption that 1 line in cycle of 6 spins almost always sleep.In other words last 3
     lines,in this unique manner,rarely hit less then opposite or there about----egal.

Now the other bet,which is still in testing grounds,come up to my mind while posting this thread.
I have played it couple last nights and realised it could come to some heart/testing situations/maybe it could be good for BV...even Wally Gator session would won flat bet./
This bet wouldn't reccommend to players who are affraid of larger DD......but to me it is nothing
knowing the strike is around corner.....That's what it depends on and so far it always happened.

But frankly prefer the first bet 4 unigues.
******************************************************************************************************************
This I also understand.

Here is the question on both:  Are these two different tweaks of the same system?

Here is the question on Vile's post only...........

Suppose I find this:

2
5
4
6.......and I bet the 546

I would just keep betting if I was winning on 546, but what if I lose?  Do I search for another 4 unique or do I switch to those opposite 546, namely 123?
And when I lose on 123, do I search for four unique again?

Sam

Sam,
Whenever you lose on last 3 --4 uniques.....YOU ALWAYS HAVE A NEW TRIGGER

4
5
6
3-L...NEW TRIGGER
1-L...SAME
2-L...SAME
5-L...SAME
6-L...SAME
5-W.......DIDN'T GO FURTHER ON LOSING RUN WITH TRIGGERS--AS HAVEN'T SEEN 6 LOSES IN THE
              ROW AS YET.

Now must go to casino.

Something very important before going


whenever win tracking 4 uniques start from that winner number.

3
5
2
1l
4l
2w
3...........1,4,2,3 these aren't 4 uniques,we start counting from w 2

Vile

Thank you very much.

I am totally clear now!

Sam

Here are actual streets from Riverwind today, 6-25

1
1
4
5
6.......four unique..1 4 5 6
1....win
2.....loss...four unique 5 6 1 2
1...win
6...win
6...win
3..loss.......what do I do here?  Last four are 1 6 6 3
3
6
5
3
4


Vile and MOP, please...

Sam

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 26, 01:14 AM 2012
Here are actual streets from Riverwind today, 6-25

1
1
4
5
6.......four unique..1 4 5 6
1....win........................................................................lose
2.....loss...four unique 5 6 1 2.....................................lose...end cycle attack
1...win
6...win
6...win
3..loss.......what do I do here?  Last four are 1 6 6 3.....2,1,6,after 3 los..start betting 3,4,5 furthest
3--w
6--l.........track new 4 uniques
5--
3
4


Vile and MOP, please...And what is MOP HAVING TO DO WITH THIS?????
SAM WILL SOON SEND YOU EXCEL WITH ALL EXPLANATIONS....as there is more  versions
of the same base bet and you will see what suits you best.

Sam

Hi Sam,
This is how I understand what vile wrote on how to play original way...

1
1
4
5
6.......four unique..1 4 5 6 (bet next spin)
1....WIN - STOP AND TRACK FOR 4 UNIQUE STARTING HERE... (1)
2
1
6
6
3
3
6
5
3
4....four unique .. 6 5 4 3 (bet next spin)
1....LOST - CONTINUE WITH LAST 3 SPUN  ...3 4 1
1...WIN - STOP AND TRACK FOR 4 UNIQUE STARTING HERE... (1)
3
5
2.....four unique .. 1 3 5 2 (bet next spin)
3.....WIN - STOP AND TRACK FOR 4 UNIQUE STARTING HERE... (3)

A.

Sam,
Disregard replay 6/had in mind the other bet 3 last/3 furthest/here it is propely;

1
1
4
5
6....trigger to bet last 3 lines........4,5,6
1-L trigger 1,6,5
2-L trigger 2,1,6
1-W.......wait for new trigger 4 unique lines
6
6
3
3
6
5
3
4.....trigger 4,3,5
1-L. trigger 1,4,3
1-W.....wait for new trigger 4 unique lines
3
5
2..trigger 2,5,3
3-W

In other words after 4 unique lines you are betting on last 3 lines

Quote from: atlantis on Jun 26, 03:51 AM 2012
Hi Sam,
This is how I understand what vile wrote on how to play original way...

1
1
4
5
6.......four unique..1 4 5 6 (bet next spin)
1....WIN - STOP AND TRACK FOR 4 UNIQUE STARTING HERE... (1)
2
1
6
6
3
3
6
5
3
4....four unique .. 6 5 4 3 (bet next spin)
1....LOST - CONTINUE WITH LAST 3 SPUN  ...3 4 1
1...WIN - STOP AND TRACK FOR 4 UNIQUE STARTING HERE... (1)
3
5
2.....four unique .. 1 3 5 2 (bet next spin)
3.....WIN - STOP AND TRACK FOR 4 UNIQUE STARTING HERE... (3)

A.

Dear Atl,
We are not betting 24 but 18 numbers,therefore when 4 uniques we bet last 3 of 4 uniques.

Hi vile,
Agreed and understood. Sorry - I made an error at the beginning of the example and put down doz1 as winner when it was outside the last 3 dozen to be bet. I altered the example to be correct:

Quote
1
1
4
5
6.......four unique..1 4 5 6 (bet next spin)
6....WIN - STOP AND TRACK FOR 4 UNIQUE STARTING HERE... (6)
2
1
6
6
3
3
6
5
3
4....four unique .. 6 5 4 3 (bet next spin)
1....LOST - CONTINUE WITH LAST 3 SPUN  ...3 4 1
1...WIN - STOP AND TRACK FOR 4 UNIQUE STARTING HERE... (1)
3
5
2.....four unique .. 1 3 5 2 (bet next spin)
3.....WIN - STOP AND TRACK FOR 4 UNIQUE STARTING HERE... (3)

A.

Quote from: atlantis on Jun 26, 06:55 AM 2012
Hi vile,
Agreed and understood. Sorry - I made an error at the beginning of the example and put down doz1 as winner when it was outside the last 3 dozen to be bet. I altered the example to be correct:

A.

it seems to me you're wrong again
instead of replacing number 1 with 6 you should change first W into L

Quote from: haloBing on Jun 26, 08:16 AM 2012
it seems to me you're wrong again
instead of replacing number 1 with 6 you should change first W into L

Hi Halobing - This is just an example chart to show TCS playing the original way; but anyway vile will confirm... Do not think I made a mistake though this time...!?
A.

Vile

Sorry.  I did not mean MOP; I meant Drazen. 

I have way too many irons in the fire.  Trying to figure out that robot, go to casino all day, etc etc.......

I'm sorry.

Sam

Quote from: atlantis on Jun 26, 06:55 AM 2012
Hi vile,
Agreed and understood. Sorry - I made an error at the beginning of the example and put down doz1 as winner when it was outside the last 3 dozen to be bet. I altered the example to be correct:

A.

Lines not dozens

OOPS! Yes LINES of course...
Today I think I have same problem as TCS - lots of things going on etc... Making a few slip-ups. Hope I don't make silly mistakes like that when in actual play.  :)

May I summarize?

You wait for four unique lines:  1234

You bet on the last three of those four to come:  234

As long as you win, you continue to bet same:  234

First loss.  Switch to opposite:  125

As long as you win, you continue to bet same:  125

When you lose on 125, you begin process over again by searching for four unique lines.

The first of the four is the "l" when 125 lost.

Example:

1
2
1
4.....lost and is the first of the new unique four.

No rum...

Sam

Hi Sam,
Yes that was the next stage of development, I think - betting the opposite lines after the first loss and that is how it came to be a 2 cycle bet.
I have also played it exactly that way too - and I prefer to play it that way, I think over viles later tweaks...
Thanks,
A.

A

Thanks.  I am etching these rules in stone. 

Geez, I hate changes.

Sam

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 26, 03:12 PM 2012
A

Thanks.  I am etching these rules in stone. 

Geez, I hate changes.

Sam

It comes with age. :lol:

GLC

Been testing this method for days.  Almost afraid to say this, but I think this is a long-term winner.

I may pay for my own darn bot!!

Sam

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 26, 06:00 PM 2012
GLC

Been testing this method for days.  Almost afraid to say this, but I think this is a long-term winner.

I may pay for my own darn bot!!

Sam

Lemme see if I can help you out Sam.

MM

Hi Guy's

Did I play this session correctly ?

6
1
2
0
1
3
1
3
5
1
5
6
1
4	T
1	W
5
1
2
5
5
1
6
4	T
6	W
5
2	T
3	LT
6	LT
5	LT
6	W
3
6
2
2
2
3
2
6
4	T
2	W
6
2
2
0
4
3
3
4
3
1
2	T
2	W
6
5
4	T
5	W
5
5
5
2
6
4	T
2	W
3	T
2	W
4
5	T
3	LT
4	W
3
1
6	T
3	W
4	T
3	W
3
5
2
1	T
3	LT
3	W
4
5
6	T
4	W
1	T
5	LT
4	W
2	T
4	W
2
4
2
5
6	T
2	W
3	T
1	LT
3	W
6
6
2
6
1
4	T
6	W
4
5
3	T
2	LT
4	LT
3	W
2
4
2
3
5	T
4	LT
4	W
6
1
5	T
2	LT
2	W
4
3
3
6
5
5
3
5
4
6	T
1	LT
3	LT
3	W
6
3
4
2	T
5	LT
2	W
3
4	T
1	LT
6	LT
4	W
6
2
5	T
1	LT
3	LT
4	LT
3	W
2
2
1
2
2
2
1
3
6	T
3	W
2
1	T
4	LT
6	LT
6	W
2
4
3	T
3	W
4
1
6	T
5	LT
4	LT
6	W
5
1	T
4	LT
1	W
4
3
5	T
3	W
3
3
5
3
1
4	T
4	W
6
1
5	T
1	W
2
2
1
5
2
5
5
6
4
1	T
5	LT
2	LT
4	LT
2	W
6
2
3
3
6
2
2
4
1
6	T
5	LT
2	LT
1	LT
5	W
2
4	T
1	LT
4	W
5
4
4
5
2
2
4
3
4
4
5
6
4
6
3
6
5
6
6
2
1
1
2
3
4	T
1	LT
1	W
5
6
4	T
4	W
3
6
4
1	T
6	W
4
3	T
2	LT
6	LT
5	LT
6	W
1
5
5
2
3
5
4	T
2	LT
4	W
2
5
4
1	T
5	W
6	T
6	W
6
4
5
0
3	T
6	LT
0	LT
6	W
2
5
5
1
6
1
4
2	T
0	LT
2	W
1
3
1
3
3
3
2
6
4	T
5	LT
6	W
5
2
6
5
2
3	T
5	W
2
4	T
5	W
3	T
5	W
3
6
5
5
4
6
5
4
6
6
1
5
5
4
2
1	T
5	LT
2	W
4	T
6	LT
5	LT
3	LT
0	LT
6	W
1	T
1	W
3
1
4
3
6	T
5	LT
4	LT
1	LT
5	W
2	T
3	LT
1	LT
5	LT
5	W

hi,

D1, you should continue betting after triger until first loose. Same with reverse lines.

Also i have a question: lets say after 3 cycles you are +6units, but third cycle was LL. So you guys betting +1 (not matter what you are in +)?

I have not tested any progressions.

The way I am playing:

Wait for four unique  2345

Bet the 345 until it loses.  Then bet the lines other than 345 (126) until it looses.

Look for a new unique four.

That's all I'm going to do.

Have to nail something down.

Sam

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 26, 12:40 PM 2012
May I summarize?

You wait for four unique lines:  1234

You bet on the last three of those four to come:  234

As long as you win, you continue to bet same:  234

First loss.  Switch to opposite:  125

As long as you win, you continue to bet same:  125

When you lose on 125, you begin process over again by searching for four unique lines.

The first of the four is the "l" when 125 lost.

Example:

1
2
1
4.....lost and is the first of the new unique four.

No rum...

Sam

----------------

was this a typo?! don't get why 125.......maybe 456?!

vundarosa

vundarosa

Today was the day I could do no right and that post is an example.

It should say:

You wait for four unique lines:  1234

You bet on the last three of those four to come:  234

As long as you win, you continue to bet same:  234

First loss.  Switch to opposite: 156  As long as you win, you continue to bet same:  156

Geez, I think that's right.

This bot has bot me bonkers.

Thanks for the heads-up

Sam

twocatsam please share your flat bet results

b

I am trying to make the darn robot save the graphs and shut off.

For today I am up about 150u.  My units are pennies.

A unit is a unit.......Johnlegend said something like that.

Try it.  Dang!!  The bot is free and you can play for pennies.

Sam

TwoCatSam,
What is this free bot?
Trebor

[noae]

Quote from: D1 on Jun 26, 07:21 PM 2012
Hi Guy's

Did I play this session correctly ?

6
1
2
0
1
3
1
3
5
1
5
6
1
4	T
1	W
5
1
2
5
5
1
6
4	T
6	W
5
2	T
3	LT
6	LT
5	LT
6	W
3
6
2
2
2
3
2
6
4	T
2	W
6
2
2
0
4
3
3
4
3
1
2	T
2	W
6
5
4	T
5	W
5
5
5
2
6
4	T
2	W
3	T
2	W
4
5	T
3	LT
4	W
3
1
6	T
3	W
4	T
3	W
3
5
2
1	T
3	LT
3	W
4
5
6	T
4	W
1	T
5	LT
4	W
2	T
4	W
2
4
2
5
6	T
2	W
3	T
1	LT
3	W
6
6
2
6
1
4	T
6	W
4
5
3	T
2	LT
4	LT
3	W
2
4
2
3
5	T
4	LT
4	W
6
1
5	T
2	LT
2	W
4
3
3
6
5
5
3
5
4
6	T
1	LT
3	LT
3	W
6
3
4
2	T
5	LT
2	W
3
4	T
1	LT
6	LT
4	W
6
2
5	T
1	LT
3	LT
4	LT
3	W
2
2
1
2
2
2
1
3
6	T
3	W
2
1	T
4	LT
6	LT
6	W
2
4
3	T
3	W
4
1
6	T
5	LT
4	LT
6	W
5
1	T
4	LT
1	W
4
3
5	T
3	W
3
3
5
3
1
4	T
4	W
6
1
5	T
1	W
2
2
1
5
2
5
5
6
4
1	T
5	LT
2	LT
4	LT
2	W
6
2
3
3
6
2
2
4
1
6	T
5	LT
2	LT
1	LT
5	W
2
4	T
1	LT
4	W
5
4
4
5
2
2
4
3
4
4
5
6
4
6
3
6
5
6
6
2
1
1
2
3
4	T
1	LT
1	W
5
6
4	T
4	W
3
6
4
1	T
6	W
4
3	T
2	LT
6	LT
5	LT
6	W
1
5
5
2
3
5
4	T
2	LT
4	W
2
5
4
1	T
5	W
6	T
6	W
6
4
5
0
3	T
6	LT
0	LT
6	W
2
5
5
1
6
1
4
2	T
0	LT
2	W
1
3
1
3
3
3
2
6
4	T
5	LT
6	W
5
2
6
5
2
3	T
5	W
2
4	T
5	W
3	T
5	W
3
6
5
5
4
6
5
4
6
6
1
5
5
4
2
1	T
5	LT
2	W
4	T
6	LT
5	LT
3	LT
0	LT
6	W
1	T
1	W
3
1
4
3
6	T
5	LT
4	LT
1	LT
5	W
2	T
3	LT
1	LT
5	LT
5	W

[/noae]

You haven't D1
-trigger starts after 4 uniques..ok first bet...but look now after win

5
1
6
4t
6w---start tracking from 6w
5
2
3-t

Hi Vile

Got it now thank you

Quote from: vile on Jun 27, 03:21 AM 2012


You haven't D1
-trigger starts after 4 uniques..ok first bet...but look now after win

5
1
6
4t
6w---start tracking from 6w
5
2
3-t

vile, so you don't play until first lose?
in this example:
5
1
6
4t
6w
5L
2W (as we are betting 235)
3W (as we are betting 235)

Attached 5 diff. bets with rules

Must read for all

Vile just posted some variations of his system and to me the latest one makes more sense.


-Track 4 uniques
-bet last 3
-if win end attack and start tracking from your win line
-if lose continue attack for the new 4 uniques now


Some times i play a variation of this one and the only difference is that after a win i attack one more time to the same lines but my results are the same.

Quote from: biagle on Jun 27, 03:27 AM 2012
vile, so you don't play until first lose?
in this example:
5
1
6
4t
6w
5L
2W (as we are betting 235)
3W (as we are betting 235)

Correct with las/furthest version...and there are 5 in attachm.

BTW-have excluded base bet with betting continuation
when there lines are chopping;

4
2
5
1-t
6-t-l
2-t-l
4-t-l
5-t-l

As it didn't show good.

Quote from: vile on Jun 27, 06:07 AM 2012
by the way-have excluded base bet with betting continuation
when there lines are chopping;

4
2
5
1-t
6-t-l
2-t-l
4-t-l
5-t-l

As it didn't show good.

I also did that. Waited to choping stops virtualy after 2 losses if goes rolling further, by hitting once in last 3 with 4 unique, and then of course start on next trigger. Works better.

Regards

Drazen

It would be interesting to apply all 5 variations of this excellent system on several existing Vile's Wiesbaden sessions and compare results.

Quote from: trebor on Jun 27, 03:00 AM 2012
TwoCatSam,
What is this free bot?
Trebor

The free bot is under software.  It's called System9.  or search for flukey luke

Sam

Quote from: vile on Jun 27, 03:58 AM 2012
Attached 5 diff. bets with rules

Must read for all

Thank you Vile

that shows all the variations to the bet very nicely

D1.

Quote from: haloBing on Jun 27, 09:57 AM 2012
It would be interesting to apply all 5 variations of this excellent system on several existing Vile's Wiesbaden sessions and compare results.

Well why don't you do this? I already did. And found my combination/variation.

Tets, test, test to see what best suits you and how behaves. It would be wrong to wait for others to test and bring cocnclusion based on that.
Don't belive anything to anyone. Test it and find the truth.

Cheers

Drazen

Quote from: D1 on Jun 27, 10:41 AM 2012

Thank you Vile

that shows all the variations to the bet very nicely

D1.

--OO there are few more that could be explored with base bet,
but those 5 be enough for now,as TCS might get scared...lol

I live scared!

Quote from: drazen_cro on Jun 27, 10:47 AM 2012
Well why don't you do this? I already did. And found my combination/variation.

Tets, test, test to see what best suits you and how behaves. It would be wrong to wait for others to test and bring cocnclusion based on that.
Don't belive anything to anyone. Test it and find the truth.

Cheers

Drazen

share your results:) im testing it
if i, flat bet: after many spins i end +0 or few units +-0
if i +1-1 i have huge drop downs, when ups..

Quote from: biagle on Jun 27, 12:40 PM 2012

share your results:) I'm testing it
if i, flat bet: after many spins i end +0 or few units +-0
if i +1-1 i have huge drop downs, when ups..

--But do it 1+1- with balanced progression,there is attachment how to
do that....and as you said;WHEN UPS.......on 1+1- why don't end the game.

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 27, 11:32 AM 2012
I live scared!

You should change your title into TWO DOG SAM.....get em and
you won't be scared any more.