Transform deviation into your advantage and you will get the holy grail of roulette game.
speed
Nice Graph...Piqued my interest fo'sho
What devil of a system produced such results speed?
I'd love to whop that devil, deviation!
Quote from: speed on Jul 01, 09:46 AM 2012
Transform deviation into your advantage and you will get the holy grail of roulette game.
speed
Positive deviation (more than expected / hot side) or
negative deviation (less than expected / sleeper side)?
Or do you mean adapting to both? :)
good luck recovering for over 150 000 spins :thumbsup:
wonder how many ppl here can risk 50 000 units drop.
Speed, The overall graph looks great.
I notice a stretch of about 90,000 spins where our bank balance went from 195,000 to 135,000. That's a 60,000 unit losing steak.
We're going to have to tweak things a little to lessen that hit or I'm in trouble with my little ole bank roll.
GLC
P.S. Looks like Ophis and I saw the same hiccup.
Quote from: ophis on Jul 01, 10:23 AM 2012
good luck recovering for over 150 000 spins :thumbsup:
wonder how many people here can risk 50 000 units drop.
Yeah Ophis
U r absolutely right. We need 2 think short term like max 200 spins sessions. Break it down, find what a biggest draw down was and adjust yr win goal n stop loss.
Quote from: GLC on Jul 01, 10:24 AM 2012
Speed, The overall graph looks great.
I notice a stretch of about 90,000 spins where our bank balance went from 195,000 to 135,000. That's a 60,000 unit losing steak.
We're going to have to tweak things a little to lessen that hit or I'm in trouble with my little ole bankroll.
GLC
P.S. Looks like Ophis and I saw the same hiccup.
GLC,
depends what the unit amount was. If he was playing/testing with 1,000$ chips, then it's only a 60 unit dip, which is nothing.
Just something to ponder.
MM
Hehe Speed
Nice try. No system can produce 100000u gain in less than 100000 spins (300k-400k spins) ;D
Quote from: mattymattz on Jul 01, 10:44 AM 2012
GLC,
depends what the unit amount was. If he was playing/testing with 1,000$ chips, then it's only a 60 unit dip, which is nothing.
Just something to ponder.
MM
No steady upward trend n u would have larger up n downs in my opinion. Anyway we live in photo shop era. ;D
"""good luck recovering for over 150 000 spins :thumbsup:
wonder how many people here can risk 50 000 units drop."""
I agree.
Even if it s true , its unplayable.
It must have a progression according to the graph results.
Speed,
I'm not one to be negative as a general rule. I've gotten a little crosswise with Compa and Garnabby, but then who hasn't. I was just making an observation about some of the ups and downs.
A more realistic observation is that shockingly the graph continues to climb overall. I don't actually know of any system that can produce that graph. Therefore, we are all very interested in the system that did produce it.
Are you going to share it with us?
Thanks,
GLC
I think we are all interested in the system.
We just said that it isn t playable.
VLS, by deviation i mean on the positive and negative, in this particular case i use system against deviation on EC bet.
Ophis,MOP, I know that is not playable on this graph because i dont know yet how to code stop loss, BUT you should know that on the system who is a long-term winner STOP LOSS WILL WORK(in theory)i hope. This is still the beta version of the system. And i not use minimal bet as starting.
I must disappoint those who think they will get a system free, this system is not even for sale. I need somebody who is trusted to code stop loss and some modification, and some to code this on dozens and columns. When I find someone i will put the results here.
I hope that there will be serious questions or suggestions about topics such as the VLS asked, so i can only help and u can help me if you are interested. Who dont knows what is deviation let read a some book about statistics.
So you show us the graph of a grail
Then you want people to code for you without knowing the grail
Then you will show us results of the grail
And that's it...
How much tormet do ya think we can take !
"""So you show us the graph of a grail
Then you want people to code for you without knowing the grail
Then you will show us results of the grail
And that's it...
How much tormet do ya think we can take !"""
Exactly.
And yes I have a serious question....
Did the progression hit the table limit?
""you should know that on the system who is a long-term winner stop-loss WILL WORK"""
In theory yes....but still the downs according to the graph shows that u will lose a lot of times ur stop loss.....the downs are huge mate.
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jul 01, 02:33 PM 2012
So you show us the graph of a grail
Then you want people to code for you without knowing the grail
Then you will show us results of the grail
And that's it...
How much tormet do ya think we can take !
I do not know there are still some other way to get winning system, but now you know one way!
If any of you are so good to share this with the whole world for free, I must say that I am not.
dont hit table limit.
""don't hit table limit.""
Ok now You have my attention ! :thumbsup:
Yes 700.000 spins is a very good test that can show that a system may have a potential to be a winner.
I hope u did everything correct.
Quote from: speed on Jul 01, 02:27 PM 2012
VLS, by deviation i mean on the positive and negative, in this particular case i use system against deviation on EC bet.
Ophis,MOP, I know that is not playable on this graph because i don't know yet how to code stop-loss, BUT you should know that on the system who is a long-term winner stop-loss WILL WORK(in theory)i hope. This is still the beta version of the system. And i not use minimal bet as starting.
I need somebody who is trusted to code stop-loss and some modification, and some to code this on dozens and columns. When I find someone i will put the results here.
This graph looks like a good candidate for a moving average of sorts. A moving average is a kind of stop-loss. If the action is right, it may also be possible to make money when the graph is under the moving average by simply reversing your EC bets.
If RX won't do this easily, i would be interested in coding it with a moving average of sorts. A quick way to find out if a moving average would help would be for you to send me results in a spreadsheet, and i will apply the MA logic to it and spit out a new chart based on your other chart.
Quote from: speed on Jul 01, 02:50 PM 2012
If any of you are so good to share this with the whole world for free, I must say that I am not.
So you do like Nikola Tesla, but not his generosity
I just tested the system with some modifications that are supposed to prevent a large hole in the bankroll. It seems that the system still varies and is not safe to play.
coder is finally finished with all the modifications I asked and system finally looks like its playable. With these new things profit is reduced but the hole in the bank too. Now i will try this for real money on some fast RNG and tell you what is the results.
Yes the improvement is very nice.
But still it has a 7.000 chips down and a recover in approx. 15.000 spins. :D
Hope it can get any better.
Good luck
2 advices and 1 question.
1)don't play RNG
2)test to reach 1M spins
Does the system include a betting selection or it s only money management?
If I have well understood,your bkr balance is + 48000 units in 350.000 spins,i.e 13,71%.
A result like that must be sent to Norway Academy for math Nobel prize.
I must confess that with an exceptional positive deviation(in favour of the player I mean!) and a strong positive progression(up as you win!,never negative progression!) I have seen a method on pattern of four spins,called Cecil Swan system,still in positive bkr balance after 300.000 spins.It failed at 500.000
Never seen in my life rsults like yours,
Good suggestion of MOP:try to reach 1 million spins,but already 700.000 is fantastic!
Quote from: haloBing on Jul 02, 04:40 AM 2012
So you do like Nikola Tesla, but not his generosity
--If he was like Nikola Tesla,he wouldn't care about
money and would give his method to the world like NT
gave a light/not Edison as Amers believe/
guys, I have to say that the test on RNG for real money for now not very well passed.
beretta28, you have the right to almost everything you wrote, it seems that you only understand what is a deviation and positive progression and how they are connected. For those who would like to know on what it is based my system they need to read your post.
Tonight I'll run another test with 37 millions spins, a result of the graphics and all the statistics I will post here. I hope that this will be enough to see what is the maximum hole in bankroll so I knew what the bank is required for play, and is there a need for additional modifications.
vile, I saw that you do not know anything about Tesla when you a few days ago denied his origin
"""A result like that must be sent to Norway Academy for math Nobel prize."""
I agree . 1st go and make 10 M euros/dollars and then claim the Nobel prize :D
"""guys, I have to say that the test on RNG for real money for now not very well passed."""
I already adviced you not to play RNG.
I also adviced you to run more tests.
Quote from: speed on Jul 02, 03:45 PM 2012
guys, I have to say that the test on RNG for real money for now not very well passed.
You gotta be kidding dear neighbour! Realy?
Cheers
I am going to agree with speed. OK, maybe I'm dumb...........Been worse!
This is what I feel--have no proof.
I play a mechanical system on BV. I see one thing happen. When I use the bot--that is when it will work and not corrupt my computer--I see totally different things. I feel BV knows full well I am running a bot for real money.
Ever see those video games with different levels of difficulty? I feel BV simply goes to a level of greater difficulty when a bot is detected.
I'm done with the robot. I'll try it as a tool for Dublin--which was all I wanted anyway--but not for BV.
Still, I've had a lot of fun and I'm not griping.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 02, 04:09 PM 2012
I am going to agree with speed. OK, maybe I'm dumb...........Been worse!
I feel BV knows full well I am running a bot for real money.
Ever see those video games with different levels of difficulty? I feel BV simply goes to a level of greater difficulty when a bot is detected.
I'm done with the robot. I'll try it as a tool for Dublin--which was all I wanted anyway--but not for BV.
Whatever you say mate....
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vile, I saw that you do not know anything about Tesla when you a few days ago denied his origin
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--If I was born in Slovenia and am Slovenian citizen would I be then
American if my father was,or Slovenian.Same with Tesla mate...but this
is out of topic anyhow......am interested in airball machine tecniques you
were talking about the other day.
Thank you for that, Ophis. If it does that well for you on BV, it will do fine for me on Dublin.
I am happy for you.
Sam
Quote from: drazen_cro on Jul 02, 03:50 PM 2012
You gotta be kidding dear neighbour! Realy?
Cheers
Izgleda da stvarno radi :) kad sam prvi put testirao mislio sam da nesto nije dobro, sad sam vec 99% siguran da ne moze pasti. Vidjecemo kako ce se stvari dalje odvijati mozda i nesto zaradim sa ovim :)
Ophis , did you earned this with your virus software ? :D
vile, you are not well informed about Tesla, and please all about nokia in pm.
still not going well on the RNG, but I do not think that RNG cheats.
Izgleda da stvarno radi (link:://rouletteforum.cc/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) kad sam prvi put testirao mislio sam da nesto nije dobro, sad sam vec 99% siguran da ne moze pasti. Vidjecemo kako ce se stvari dalje odvijati mozda i nesto zaradim sa ovim (link:://rouletteforum.cc/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
All I understand is "Sam" and the smiley faces!! Are we saying Sam is a good ol' boy? Sam makes us happy??
Sam ^-^
*******still not going well on the RNG, but I do not think that RNG cheats.*****
Speed
I hope you are right.
Sam
Quote from: speed on Jul 02, 05:17 PM 2012
Ophis , did you earned this with your virus software ? :D
Yes i did won it with my software.... not virus though....
btw:
and later everybody wonders... where are all the coders... why they dont want to code for FREE my super holy grail.... lol.... get a grip and respect others work.
***Izgleda da stvarno radi (link:://rouletteforum.cc/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) kad sam prvi put testirao mislio sam da nesto nije dobro, sad sam vec 99% siguran da ne moze pasti. Vidjecemo kako ce se stvari dalje odvijati mozda i nesto zaradim sa ovim (link:://rouletteforum.cc/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) ***
Translation:
It seems to really work when I first tested I thought something was good, but now I'm 99% sure that it can not fall. We'll see how things will continue to take place, and maybe earn something with this.
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Hi Speed, can you show us how looks one graph if you play that system flat bet.
I understand you have used possitive progression.
Thanks.
Here some graphs (flat bet) from two systems ( one is mine but coder still work
to implement all rules) that can work ok(not each time)until 60 000 - 100 000 spins and the
other is Pivot system can sometimes until 100 000 - 250 000 spins most i have seen from flat bet system. Hope your system can do more than that flat bet.
cheers
@ophis.people will never be happy even if you put holy grail in their hands ophis...never mind :thumbsup:
Quote from: ophis on Jul 02, 06:03 PM 2012
Yes i did won it with my software.... not virus though....
Ophis,
with System 9 bot or with various bots?
Quote from: haloBing on Jul 02, 06:48 PM 2012
Ophis,
with System 9 bot or with various bots?
im running from time to time s9...
but no this wasnt done entirely with s9...
i got my own bots...
s9 is too slow....
but some ppl are doing nicely with it anyway.
ophis as you code many bots what is the lowest bankroll you have seen system to start with ..thanks
Quote from: maestro on Jul 02, 07:40 PM 2012
ophis as you code many bots what is the lowest bankroll you have seen system to start with ..thanks
15euro bank raised to 900euro in 3 days.
starting with 0.01 and rising units in mean time according to bankroll.
the worst is first 100 euro... then 500... then 1000
later You can make roughly 50euro/3minutes.... which is just a LoL.
when playing with 1euro as 1unit is easy to make 100units a day (100 euro)....
but i woudnt recomend trying it without sufficient bankroll...
with 0.01 its horrible grind... since 100 units is 1euro.... but its STILL 100 units.
either way its not that hard to make 100units a day with any system.
the way is to...
play without any expectations... be patient... win 100units and go for a drink....
at least for me its working....
...and yes every system iv seen fail on gazillion spins...
thanks mate... :thumbsup:
guys, maybe someone will be disappoint but all of you should know that my system is not the holy grail because is not playable and i can not earn money with him. It proved my last test with millions spins. Even with my latest modifications there are still on some places where graphic going down to 25 000 units and they need over 100 000 spins to be recovered, so the system is not playable!
I noticed that I had a hacker attack on my email, I think that did some from this forum, or is connected with somebody from this forum (not clear to me how since I did not leave an email address to be seen). I want to say to any potential hackers on my email and my computer that I all information relating with the system (like the RX DGT file) deleted from the hard drive and on my email also there is nothing about the system.
First i will post this graphic that shows that the system is not playable, and then I asked a moderator to delete this topic.
Right from the start was not supposed to post the graphs if you were not going to share the
system ....this was like ....**look what i have but i never share with you***.
My advice is just keep for your self if have some very good system ( because there is no holly grail) and do not make fun of others members .
If you want to share just Share ...if not ...just don't post Nothing about that system.
Not take it very personally, this is also for others......
cheers
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 02, 05:56 PM 2012
Izgleda da stvarno radi (link:://rouletteforum.cc/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) kad sam prvi put testirao mislio sam da nesto nije dobro, sad sam vec 99% siguran da ne moze pasti. Vidjecemo kako ce se stvari dalje odvijati mozda i nesto zaradim sa ovim (link:://rouletteforum.cc/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
All I understand is "Sam" and the smiley faces!! Are we saying Sam is a good ol' boy? Sam makes us happy??
Sam ^-^
--SAM,
My days become laughing ones since you returned.
Every day something new.SAM,in his language means AM.
Quote from: maestro on Jul 02, 06:19 PM 2012
@ophis.people will never be happy even if you put holy grail in their hands ophis...never mind :thumbsup:
--Well said and they may be suspicious some.
Quote from: vile on Jul 02, 04:43 PM 2012
am interested in airball machine tecniques you
were talking about the other day.
Mr. vile i could never connect you with intention of cheating???
After all didnt you had power over your local airball? I could swear to that.
Except great knowledge and experince, you had bias present there didnt you sir?
I was reading about that on GG where some AP experts were analyzing your collected spins, and if i remebered well there were some present bias?
Or no?
Thanks
Drazen
That was long ago but it didn't last long.
OH it means bias was there, until they manufactured the wheel i belive...So physicaly it was biased wheel.
I would like now not to get me wrong, instead of that explanation would do great.
Few your posts ago you were explanaing situation in your local casino with manufacturering the wheel, so as even before that, the way you told me your (our) airball works. Ball momentarely after hitting the pocket stays in the middle of pocket holded by magnets until number is has been announced. We can conclude It means it is has been predetermineted earlierbefore spin, something like RNG
And now ill copy your explanation
The numbers are predetermineted,that's exactly how he told me,but not the way that would go against any number you topped.that's why sometimes see the ball going,for instance in one/26/number and finally after long dance on the surface drops in 19...which is fisically unatural.WHY???Couse wheel is rotating CW while ball ACW.....so in that case it would be natural fis.that ball havedropped in 29 instead of 19
And what confuses me know, if machine doesnt play against us, but it has already predetermineted numbers and physics dont match as you said, How could you had bias on it which is physical anomaly of the wheel?
so what is true then, is physics on airball real or it is just ordinary RNG in which physics of the ball doesnt match hitted number?
I am sure you understand my question.
Thanks in advance
Drazen
Quote from: speed on Jul 03, 06:46 AM 2012
guys, maybe someone will be disappoint but all of you should know that my system is not the holy grail because is not playable and i can not earn money with him. It proved my last test with millions spins. Even with my latest modifications there are still on some places where graphic going down to 25 000 units and they need over 100 000 spins to be recovered, so the system is not playable!
I noticed that I had a hacker attack on my email, I think that did some from this forum, or is connected with somebody from this forum (not clear to me how since I did not leave an email address to be seen). I want to say to any potential hackers on my email and my computer that I all information relating with the system (like the RX DGT file) deleted from the hard drive and on my email also there is nothing about the system.
First i will post this graphic that shows that the system is not playable, and then I asked a moderator to delete this topic.
This has come as a great shock.....no H/G. What am I going to do about commissioning my £5Million mansion in Tuscani.
The only amusing thing about this post was seeing no one replying to MOP...lol
Quote from: drazen_cro on Jul 03, 03:24 PM 2012
OH it means bias was there, until they manufactured the wheel i belive...So physicaly it was biased wheel.
I would like now not to get me wrong, instead of that explanation would do great.
Few your posts ago you were explanaing situation in your local casino with manufacturering the wheel, so as even before that, the way you told me your (our) airball works. Ball momentarely after hitting the pocket stays in the middle of pocket holded by magnets until number is has been announced. We can conclude It means it is has been predetermineted earlierbefore spin, something like RNG
And now ill copy your explanation
The numbers are predetermineted,that's exactly how he told me,but not the way that would go against any number you topped.that's why sometimes see the ball going,for instance in one/26/number and finally after long dance on the surface drops in 19...which is fisically unatural.WHY???Couse wheel is rotating CW while ball ACW.....so in that case it would be natural fis.that ball havedropped in 29 instead of 19
And what confuses me know, if machine doesn't play against us, but it has already predetermineted numbers and physics don't match as you said, How could you had bias on it which is physical anomaly of the wheel?
so what is true then, is physics on airball real or it is just ordinary RNG in which physics of the ball doesn't match hitted number?
I am sure you understand my question.
Thanks in advance
Drazen
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Bias was live wheel not airball machine,nor did I have said anything about airball bias,and if I did so
it would mean that I know much more today then 5 years ago...you can correct me if I'm wrong,in other words show me where I said about bias airball,but you will probably find where I explained t Compa how in my casino it seems a bias wheel.You just read too much.
The only amusing thing about this post was seeing no one replying to MOP...LoL
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--He wiil eat imself tonight....lol..what a nice guy
"""The only amusing thing about this post was seeing no one replying to MOP...LoL"""
LoL. You are wrong.
speed reolyed about the table limits ;D
Quote from: speed on Jul 03, 06:46 AM 2012
First i will post this graphic that shows that the system is not playable, and then I asked a moderator to delete this topic.
It's playable. It shows positive expectancy. The equity curve is not random. There's a way to play that. It just needs application of some tricks from the trading community. I need an excel sheet with results. Because the bets are EC i'm assuming they can be reversed.