This is a continuation to the testing that i have in link:://rouletteforum.cc/main-roulette-board/4/hybrid-dc4/9398/msg83809#msg83809 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/main-roulette-board/4/hybrid-dc4/9398/msg83809#msg83809)
I promised that thread that i will be testing this tweak for 20 times/sessions/nights and lets see the result.
Testing is made via smart live
Bankroll : 200u
Target : profit 100u (i know this is too big, but for the sake of testing i will target 100u, i will also post the max win for the night incase of a bust)
to sum up my result so far
night 1 : +100
night 2 : +100
night 3 : +100
night 4 : +100
night 5 : +100
night 6 : +80 then went to sleep
night 7 : busted ; went as high as +40ish
tonight is my 8th night and the result : busted ; went as high as +66
i am planning to have 2 sessions tonight since i wasn't able to have one last night; i will do it later probably an hour or two from now.
Marvin,
Here's an idea you might consider. Why not play until you lose 200 units from your high point. So you said on one night you were up 40+ so when you lost 200 units from that point, that's your stop loss. Same with when you were +66. That would mean that instead of losing 400 units you would only be down 294 units for those 2 sessions. You would still be up 286 units for your 8 sessions.
GLC
second session for tonight : +100 after 18spins
its 102u to be exact the previous night something like 101-110 i just wanted to reach 100u for the sake of testing.
Quote from: GLC on Jul 01, 01:02 PM 2012
Marvin,
Here's an idea you might consider. Why not play until you lose 200 units from your high point. So you said on one night you were up 40+ so when you lost 200 units from that point, that's your stop-loss. Same with when you were +66. That would mean that instead of losing 400 units you would only be down 294 units for those 2 sessions. You would still be up 286 units for your 8 sessions.
GLC
hmmmm sounds good. ill do that starting next session until the 20th
at the time that i started testing this i just wanted to know how many times i won +100u and the if ever its a bust i will get the average and probably it the target profit from there instead of +100u
night 10 : busted ; went as high as +66 ; 3 zeros for tonight
second session for the night 10 : +104 after 22spins
Quote from: marvin on Jul 02, 04:00 PM 2012
second session for the night 10 : +104 after 22spins
Marvin my friend. Here's my personal opinion. And it follows brother Winkel's ideas about having a really large bankroll.
What if you kept your current 100 units win target but you had a bank of 2,000 units. Now, each attack is to win 100 units, but you have an army of 2,000 units.
This may seem like a huge amount of money, but if you play on Betvoyager like TCS was doing on the videos he posted, at ten cent units, that's only a $200 bankroll. The puzzle to solve is will you ever lose 2,000 units and if so how many 100 unit wins will you have between losses.
That would be +$10 won on each attack, and I don't see any reason not to have multiple attacks each day. You're already doing 2 some nights. Stay with 2 and if you don't lose for 10 days, you will have doubled your bank to $400. Do it for another 10 days and you will have $600 which means you can lose 2,000 units 3 times before you're wiped out.
I mention this scenario because when we're dealing with random, even with a small advantage you have to have plenty of ammunition on hand to overcome the worst of luck. Believe me, if you took $200 dollars to the table to win $100, you will go broke unless you're very lucky. But if you take $200 to the table to win $10 times 2 attacks. You will have a very good chance of staying in the game for quite a while. And if you have 3 banks of $200, you can stay in the game for ????????????
You just have to have the guts to place some big bets when necessary to recover quickly after falling into the hole. If you don't, you will be forever trying to recover big bets with little bets. Better to boldly go for the gold than to timidly scratch for the bronze.
And remember my rule of thumb; "Don't play with money that if you lost it and had to go home and tell the misses, she would say 'No big deal'. It's the cost of a little entertainment." It's not even as much as a couple of decent seats at a football game. And what do you have to show for watching a football game. A few hours of enjoyment? Sounds like the same thing as playing a few hours at the roulette table, only armed with the knowledge you've gained from this forum, you have a decent chance to come out on top.
GLC
i just had a testing session a while a go since i don't have work today.
and ill probably have another 2 sessions later.
ill consider this as 11th night
night 11a : +116u after 24spins
hi GLC,
ill reply to your post later, ill just have a quick lunch. :)
Quote from: GLC on Jul 02, 05:34 PM 2012
Marvin my friend. Here's my personal opinion. And it follows brother Winkel's ideas about having a really large bankroll.
What if you kept your current 100 units win target but you had a bank of 2,000 units. Now, each attack is to win 100 units, but you have an army of 2,000 units.
This may seem like a huge amount of money, but if you play on Betvoyager like TCS was doing on the videos he posted, at ten cent units, that's only a $200 bankroll. The puzzle to solve is will you ever lose 2,000 units and if so how many 100 unit wins will you have between losses.
That would be +$10 won on each attack, and I don't see any reason not to have multiple attacks each day. You're already doing 2 some nights. Stay with 2 and if you don't lose for 10 days, you will have doubled your bank to $400. Do it for another 10 days and you will have $600 which means you can lose 2,000 units 3 times before you're wiped out.
I mention this scenario because when we're dealing with random, even with a small advantage you have to have plenty of ammunition on hand to overcome the worst of luck. Believe me, if you took $200 dollars to the table to win $100, you will go broke unless you're very lucky. But if you take $200 to the table to win $10 times 2 attacks. You will have a very good chance of staying in the game for quite a while. And if you have 3 banks of $200, you can stay in the game for ????????????
i guess this is much more doable, if we put on some math on this 100u is 5% of 2000u which is the same as JL's target per session.
So far i have observe with a 200u bankroll, you only need to win one spin to achieve the 5% profit.
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You just have to have the guts to place some big bets when necessary to recover quickly after falling into the hole. If you don't, you will be forever trying to recover big bets with little bets. Better to boldly go for the gold than to timidly scratch for the bronze.
i agree on this one, the last session that i have i went up to 16u per splits which really eats up a lot when i already in +88u but was able to win it (luck? probably)
by the way i went to that 16u per splits because i was doing a marty on a lose 1,2,4,8,16
and with it i was able to quickly recover the previous losses plus profit, yeah very dangerous , but if we throw in the large bankroll that PCWB requires(was it 1K?) i guess no need to worry?
so far in my experience, the longest losing streak that i have is 4 and won on 5th.
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And remember my rule of thumb; "Don't play with money that if you lost it and had to go home and tell the misses, she would say 'No big deal'. It's the cost of a little entertainment." It's not even as much as a couple of decent seats at a football game. And what do you have to show for watching a football game. A few hours of enjoyment? Sounds like the same thing as playing a few hours at the roulette table, only armed with the knowledge you've gained from this forum, you have a decent chance to come out on top.
GLC
thank you very much for the reminder GLC ^-^
i notice that target profit is inversely proportional to players experience :twisted:
this is my second session for the day
another positive result, went down around -60ish but ended up in positive.
night 11a : +108u after 16 spins
last one session for the day later.
Quote from: marvin on Jul 03, 07:21 AM 2012
this is my second session for the day
another positive result, went down around -60ish but ended up in positive.
night 11a : +108u after 16 spins
last one session for the day later.
correction, this should be...
night 11b : +108u after 16 spins
just finished another session with positive result
night 11c : +104 after 20 spins
i have made a special testing not sure if i am going to include this in my usual testing, i have already made pass +100u mark but i wanted to know what will be the longest losing streak. I played for 3 hours and i only encountered up to 5 losing streak or 16u per split. when i reached 32u per split it already won. which means i risked as high as -504u scary.... well this is random
night 12 : struggling went as low as -164 but still ended up in a +130 after 24spins
Hey marvin,
If I am correct you are now at +538 units, right?
sounds good, very good
Did you think maybe using the 1,1,2,4,7,13 preogression?it's the common proggression for 8 splits
these 6 steps cost 224 units which is far less then 504 you mentioned
The winnings are less then, I know that
Do you think if the wingoal is just 50 units the 224 in this way holds up?
Can you check in your results? If it holds up i think we have a winner here
And do you play the PCWB splits when there's no trigger for the DC4?or do you wait for a trigger and then play?
Quote from: marvin on Jul 04, 01:53 PM 2012
night 12 : struggling went as low as -164 but still ended up in a +130 after 24spins
This is the way a system should be presented. Tell how you play it and then start posting the results of sessions. Most of us who have done much testing know how much time it can take, especially with a system like this one. Even if this finally tanks in the end, I want to commend you for demonstrating the proper way to share a system. I've posted systems in the past kind of willy nilly with minimal testing and a little embarrassed by how quickly some of them tank. I resolve to immulate your presentation technique in the future.
By the way, are you playing PCWB according to Vile's latest posting on that bet? And can you tell for sure that the Hybrid DC4 is worth the extra effort given PCWB's strong showing?
GLC
Quote from: soggett on Jul 04, 02:26 PM 2012
Hey marvin,
If I am correct you are now at +538 units, right?
sounds good, very good
Hi soggett,
i am not sure how many units i am now i am only tracking how many times i reach +100u with a bankroll of 200u. ill probably do the math at the end of night 20.
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Did you think maybe using the 1,1,2,4,7,13 preogression?it's the common proggression for 8 splits
these 6 steps cost 224 units which is far less then 504 you mentioned
The winnings are less then, I know that
one of the reason that i am doing the marty is because of the lossing streak isnt that long. but i guess you are right using that common 8 splits progression will put us in a safer position. i will give it a try.
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Do you think if the wingoal is just 50 units the 224 in this way holds up?
Can you check in your results? If it holds up i think we have a winner here
although i havent tested it using the progression that you mention, i leaning on yes, we can get that target. the more that we will follow JLs 5% target, we will only need to win once.
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And do you play the PCWB splits when there's no trigger for the DC4?or do you wait for a trigger and then play?
I am following the DC4's trigger.
but i dont stop on a win, i continue betting until the next trigger.
this is the reason that this tweak only plays on the average of 20 spins.
there was one time that i am already on +92u after 12spins then a lossing streak happens it went down as much as hmmmm something like -60ish or 80ish something like that.
but because of the marty progression was able to +100. i just cannot recall which night was that.
Quote from: GLC on Jul 04, 04:50 PM 2012
This is the way a system should be presented. Tell how you play it and then start posting the results of sessions. Most of us who have done much testing know how much time it can take, especially with a system like this one. Even if this finally tanks in the end, I want to commend you for demonstrating the proper way to share a system. I've posted systems in the past kind of willy nilly with minimal testing and a little embarrassed by how quickly some of them tank. I resolve to immulate your presentation technique in the future.
errrr this is kinda embarrassing coming from a guy who made great contribution to this site.
i feel like i am not worth it of those those kind words but thank you :)
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By the way, are you playing PCWB according to Vile's latest posting on that bet? And can you tell for sure that the Hybrid DC4 is worth the extra effort given PCWB's strong showing?
GLC
i just saw it today and i am still checking it out. i hope this will increase the chances.
Quote from: marvin on Jul 05, 02:04 AM 2012
there was one time that i am already on +92u after 12spins then a losing streak happens it went down as much as hmmmm something like -60ish or 80ish something like that.
but because of the marty progression was able to +100. i just cannot recall which night was that.
Thanks marvin, I got it now
regarding the above - if you use a different progression than the marty - wouldn't the drawndown be smaller too then? in your example above then it would not go to -60/-80 then right?
And I agree with GLC - thank you for your effort, testing and results
marvin could you please take a look at this numbers
if I did it right there are 7 losses in a row and then a win
hi sogett,
i encountered 6 losing streak, won on the 7th
32 = ;
0 = ; i will start tracking after zero and reset tracking if i encounter zero within next 6 spin
24 = ; Sector A
13 = ; Sector B
17 = ; Sector C ; Trigger for PCWB ; bet 1u on Sectors B & C
14 = W ; Sector C ; +6u ; bet 1u on Sectors B & C
20 = W ; Sector C ; +12u ; bet 1u on Sectors B & C
16 = W ; Sector B ; +18u ; bet 1u on sectors B & C
34 = W ; Sector C ; +24u ; Trigger for Hybrid DC4 ; bet against against column c ; bet 1 uon Sectors B & C
7 = L ; Sector A ; +18u ; bet against dozen 2 ; bet 2u on Sectors A & C
21 = L ; Sector A ; +2u ; bet against column a ; bet 4u on Sectors A & C
28 = L ; Sector C ; -30u ; Stop wait for next Hybrid DC4 Trigger
22 = ; Sector B ; -30u ; Trigger for Hybrid DC4 ; bet against column b ; bet 8u on Sectors B & C
6 = W ; Sector C ; +50u ; bet against dozen 2 ; bet 1u on Sectors B & C
0 = L ; Sector 0 ; +42u ; Stop no bet since you cannot determine the last sector won
1 = ; Sector A ; +42u ; Stop wait for next Hybrid DC4 Trigger
2 = ; Sector B ; +42u ; bet against against column c ; bet 2u on Sectors A & B
29 = W ; Sector A ; +62u ; stop no bet since you cannot determin last dozen won
25 = ; Sector C ; +62u ; Stop wait for next Hybrid DC4 Tri'ger
22 = ; Sector B ; +62u ; Trigger for Hybrid DC4 ; bet against column b ; bet 1u on Sectors B & C
1 = L ; Sector A ; +54u ; bet against dozen 3 ; bet 2u on Sectors A & B
0 = L ; Sector 0 ; +38u ; Stop no bet since you cannot determine the last sector won
25 = ; Sector C ; +38u ; Stop wait for next Hybrid DC4 Trigger
32 = ; Sector A ; +38u ; Trigger for Hybrid DC4 ; bet against column a ; bet 4u on Sectors A & C
3 = W ; Sector C ; +74u ; bet against dozen 2 ; bet 1u on Sectors A & C
17 = L ; Sector C ; +66u ; bet against column a ; bet 2u on Sectors A & C
34 = L ; Sector C ; +50u ; Stop wait for next Hybrid DC4 Trigger
30 = ; Sector B ; +50u ; Trigger for Hybrid DC4 ; bet against column c ; bet 4u on Sectors B & C
10 = L ; Sector A ; +18u ; bet against dozen 2 ; bet 8u on Sectors A & B
14 = L ; Sector C ; -46u ; bet against column a ; bet 16u on Sectors A & C
27 =`L ; Sector B ; -174u ; Stop wait for next Hybrid DC4 Trigger
13 = ; Sector B ; -174u ; Trigger for Hybrid DC4 ; bet against column a ; bet 32u on Sectors B & C
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assuming we have 200u BR we already busted. but lets pretend we have 2K BR as GLC suggested
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19 = L ; Sector B ; -430u ; stop no bet since you cannot determin last dozen won
33 = ; Sector B ; -430u ; Stop wait for next Hybrid DC4 Trigger
3 = ; Sector C ; -430u ; Trigger for Hybrid DC4 ; bet against column a ; bet 64u on Sectors B & C
20 = W ; Sector C ; +210u ; bet against dozen 2 { bet 1u on Sectors B & C
22 = L ; Sector B ; +202u ; bet against column a ; bet 2u on Sectors B & C
11 = W ; Sector B ; +222u ; Stop wait for next Hybrid DC4 Trigger
32 = ; Sector A ; +222u ; Trigger for Hybrid DC4 ; bet against column a ; bet 1u on Sectors A & B
18 = L ; Sector A ; +214u ; bet against dozen 2 ; bet 2u on Sectors A & B
8 = W ; Sector B ; +234u ; bet against column c ; bet 1u on Sectors A & B
2 = W ; Sector B ; +244u ; Stop wait for next Hybrid DC4 Trigger
21 = ; Sector A ; +244u ; Trigger for Hybrid DC4 ; bet against column a ; bet 1u on Sectors A & B
33 = W ; Sector B ; +254u ; bet against dozen 3 ; bet 1u on Sectors A & B
8 = W ; Sector B ; +264u ; bet against column c ; bet 1u on Sectors A & B
18 = L ; Sector A ; +256u ; Stop wait for next Hybrid DC4 Trigger
13 = ; Sector B ; +256u ; Trigger for Hybrid DC4 ; bet against column c ; bet 2u on Sectors A & B
17 = L ; Sector C ; +240u ; bet against dozen 1 ; bet 4u on Sectors B & C
0 = L ; Se#tor 0 ; +208u ; Stop no bet since you cannot determine the last sector won
27 = ; Sector B ; +208u ; Stop wait for next Hybrid DC4 Trigger
3 = ; Sector C ; +208u ; Trigger for Hybrid DC4 ; bet against column b ; bet 8u on sectors B & C
27 = W ; Sector B ; +288u ; bet against dozen 2 ; bet 1u on sectors`B & C
10 = L ; Sector A ; +280u ; bet against column b ; bet 2u on sectors A & B
26 = L ; Sector B ; +264u
night 13: +110 after 22 spins
Thanks marvin, I got it now
I thought you bet only when you have trigger for Hybrid DC4
And i didn't do as you when a zero comes
Still it was a hard session that one - I had ones that went more smoothly
vodka night last night so no session :xd:
at least i still have a life outside the wheel :lol:
night 14: busted , off night went only as high as +20 after 14spins
Quote from: marvin on Jul 07, 11:23 AM 2012
night 14: busted , off night went only as high as +20 after 14spins
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maybe it was the vodka from the night before....
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on Jul 07, 12:40 PM 2012
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maybe it was the vodka from the night before....
vundarosa
hahaha could be :xd:
night 15 : +118 , its a long session I've reached 40spins due to new progression
1-1-2-4-4-4-4-5
one step to the right upon loss, reset on win
if i didn't use this progression id be busted with just +30ish
is this an improvement? ... i think so :twisted:
night 1 : +100
night 2 : +100
night 3 : +100
night 4 : +100
night 5 : +100
night 6 : +80 then went to sleep
night 7 : busted ; went as high as +40ish (200-40= -160)
tonight is my 8th night and the result : busted ; went as high as +66 (200-66= -134)
second session for tonight : +100 after 18spins
night 10 : busted ; went as high as +66 ; 3 zeros for tonight (200-66= -134)
second session for the night 10 : +104 after 22spins
night 11a : +116u after 24spins
night 11a : +108u after 16 spins
night 11c : +104 after 20 spins
night 12 : struggling went as low as -164 but still ended up in a +130 after 24spins
night 13: +110 after 22 spins
night 14: busted , off night went only as high as +20 after 14spins (200-20= -180)
night 15 : +118 , its a long session I've reached 40spins due to new progression
100
100
100
100
100
80
-160
-134
100
-134
104
116
108
104
130
110
-180
118
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+862 give or take a few units for 18 sessions.
Marvin, fabulous. I only wish you had the spins represented by the above numbers so we could see if you would have done better or worse playing each system alone using the same numbers. That would tell us if combining them makes a real difference.
Can you explain the difference in the old bet progression and your new bet progression.
Thanks,
GLC
i could only only speculate for the number of spins of those nights that i didn't logged the number of spins, they should be on an average of 20 spins.
up until last night i have tried 3 types of progression.
1,2,3,4,5,6 <<< i cannot recall what are the pros n cons once you pass 4th step because during those nights i haven't pass by 4th step
1,2,4,8,16,32 <<< marty, big profit on win but needs bigger BR
1-1-2-4-4-4-4-5 <<< up until 4th step you have profit, but beyond that you are still on negative, this is to accommodate my 200u BR
night 16a: it was a long session, +101u after 54 spins went down as low as -50ish
you might wonder why theres an extra 1u ... i missed 1u bet one time, instead of betting 8splits for 8u , i was only able to bet 7splits for 7u.
another session later since i don't have a work
night 16b : another positive session +106 after 47 spins
this is really getting interesting.
Hello Marvin!
Can you explain your method more detail?
And biggest drawdown?
Thanks so much.
yes, explain it once more because your link to DC4 is'nt working anymore "error 404"
and i cant find the PCWB like u use it
thx Stephan
Hi Marvin.
Just a bit stuck following this example posted earlier.
32 = ;0 = ; i will start tracking after zero and reset tracking if i encounter zero within next 6 spin
24 = ; Sector A
13 = ; Sector B
17 = ; Sector C ; Trigger for PCWB ; bet 1u on Sectors B & C
14 = W ; Sector C ; +6u ; bet 1u on Sectors B & C
20 = W ; Sector C ; +12u ; bet 1u on Sectors B & C
16 = W ; Sector B ; +18u ; bet 1u on sectors B & C
34 = W ; Sector C ; +24u ; Trigger for Hybrid DC4 ; bet against against column c ; bet 1 uon Sectors B & C
OK so far
7 = L ; Sector A ; +18u ; bet against dozen 2 ; bet 2u on Sectors A & C I am not sure how you get + 18 here also are you putting 1 x 1 units on column A and B?
21 = L ; Sector A ; +2u ; bet against column a ; bet 4u on Sectors A & C This one has me even more confused, 21 is in sector A so should be a win no?
A = 1,4,7,10,15,18,21,24,26,29,32,35
B = 2,5,8,11,13,16,19,22,27,30,33,36
C= 3,6,9,12,14,17,20,23,25,28,31,34
Art.
Quote from: artattack on Jul 09, 04:20 PM 2012
Hi Marvin.
Just a bit stuck following this example posted earlier.
32 = ;0 = ; i will start tracking after zero and reset tracking if i encounter zero within next 6 spin
24 = ; Sector A
13 = ; Sector B
17 = ; Sector C ; Trigger for PCWB ; bet 1u on Sectors B & C
14 = W ; Sector C ; +6u ; bet 1u on Sectors B & C
20 = W ; Sector C ; +12u ; bet 1u on Sectors B & C
16 = W ; Sector B ; +18u ; bet 1u on sectors B & C
34 = W ; Sector C ; +24u ; Trigger for Hybrid DC4 ; bet against against column c ; bet 1 uon Sectors B & C
OK so far
7 = L ; Sector A ; +18u ; bet against dozen 2 ; bet 2u on Sectors A & C I am not sure how you get + 18 here also are you putting 1 x 1 units on column A and B?
21 = L ; Sector A ; +2u ; bet against column a ; bet 4u on Sectors A & C This one has me even more confused, 21 is in sector A so should be a win no?
A = 1,4,7,10,15,18,21,24,26,29,32,35
B = 2,5,8,11,13,16,19,22,27,30,33,36
C= 3,6,9,12,14,17,20,23,25,28,31,34
Art.
seems like i missed some calculations there. it should be 16u instead of 18u ... thank you.
as for 21, the chart says that we bet against dozen 2, so even if 21 is sector A but its in dozen 2, so no bet.
Quote from: donik7777 on Jul 09, 02:28 PM 2012
Hello Marvin!
Can you explain your method more detail?
And biggest drawdown?
Thanks so much.
errr im not sure what more detail you want.
its not my method its just a tweak using the combination strength of 2 of the popular method here credit goes to the creators.
biggest drawdown depends on the progression. but the longest losing streak i encountered for 3hrs of play is 6-7
Quote from: Stepkevh on Jul 09, 03:58 PM 2012
yes, explain it once more because your link to DC4 is'nt working anymore "error 404"
and i can't find the PCWB like u use it
thanks Stephan
i cant find it for you currently using a phone. it should be easy to find those two are popular here so it should be fairly easy.
use the ABC sectors instead of 1-9 sectors then bet on the last 2 sectors that won. just follow my examples. i have posted 3 examples already so you should be able to digest them.
Thank you Marvin, that helps, as for the 21, my brain was still thinking columns and not dozens sorry for that.
ART
Quote from: marvin on Jul 10, 03:45 AM 2012
i can't find it for you currently using a phone. it should be easy to find those two are popular here so it should be fairly easy.
use the ABC sectors instead of 1-9 sectors then bet on the last 2 sectors that won. just follow my examples. i have posted 3 examples already so you should be able to digest them.
correction... last 2 sectors that appeared.
night 17 : busted went as high as +52 after 22 spins ; 6 losing streak if i have bigger bankroll i should have won on the 7th step
really have to do something with the progression,
i was using 1-2-4-7-4-7
night 17b : +100 after 30 spins due to streaky 1st step progression win
night 18: +100u after 17 spins, used marty for the progression and went only up to 4th step progression or 3 losing streak, i can say easy money(if real) for tonight. :twisted:
i tested using the progression glc posted in the other thread 11223344... it seems like it won't work as this tweak seldom have a winning streak spin. its something like WLLLWLLWLLLLWLW
night 19: busted went only as high as +36u after 15spins went into 7 losing streak
night 20: +104 after 56spins went as low as -102u
i was using the progression 1-1-2-4-4-4-4-5 went up to 5 step so it is expected that it took us 40+ spins before reaching our target.
session Profit W/L
1 100 w
2 100 w
3 100 w
4 100 w
5 100 w
6 80 w
7 -160 l
8 -134 l
9 100 w
10 -134 l
11 104 w
12 116 w
13 108 w
14 104 w
15 130 w
16 110 w
17 -180 l
18 118 w
19 101 w
20 106 w
21 -148 l
22 100 w
23 100 w
24 -164 l
25 104 w
Total 1061 19/6
average losing streak : 2-3
longest losing streak : 8 but only happens once the rest
we now have a good bet selection i think.
what we need now is a good bankroll & money management that will survive an 8 losing streak or a 9-10 steps progression
progressions used:
step unit win cost total profit
1 1 18 8 8 10
2 2 36 16 24 12
3 4 72 32 56 16
4 7 126 56 112 14
5 2 36 16 128 -92
6 4 72 32 160 -88
7 5 90 40 200 -110
1 1 18 8 8 10
2 1 18 8 16 2
3 2 36 16 32 4
4 4 72 32 64 8
5 4 72 32 96 -24
6 4 72 32 128 -56
7 4 72 32 160 -88
8 5 90 40 200 -110
1 1 18 8 8 10
2 2 36 16 24 12
3 4 72 32 56 16
4 7 126 56 112 14
5 12 216 96 208 8
Hello Marvin,
Can't believe I haven't posted on your thread yet. I was paying attention to it for a while though.
I like the progression and a 12W 3L record is not bad when an average session is +100U
If I am correct this is not the way you actually want to play the method but you are just testing it in this fashion for info.
hi amk
errr how did you get with the 12W 3L? at the end of 25 session its 19W 6L.
as for the actual play the bet selection still the same its just the progression that i am juggling up with those 3 progressions that i mentioned. it is to accomodate the 200u bankroll.
but what if my target is only 50u per session? the record would have been 22W 3L.
and what if we have a bankroll of 1k or 2k as what glc suggested and a target of 50u ... i guess we can get a 25W 0L
Quote from: marvin on Jul 16, 02:07 AM 2012
hi amk
errr how did you get with the 12W 3L? at the end of 25 session its 19W 6L.
as for the actual play the bet selection still the same its just the progression that i am juggling up with those 3 progressions that i mentioned. it is to accomodate the 200u bankroll.
but what if my target is only 50u per session? the record would have been 22W 3L.
and what if we have a bankroll of 1k or 2k as what glc suggested and a target of 50u ... I guess we can get a 25W 0L
Dear Marvin,
Looks like a pretty solid method. I wouldn't expect anything less since it's a combination of 2 of the best methods on the forum, in my humble opinion.
If you use a 1000 unit bank and shoot for +50 win target, you will need 20 Wins to 1 loss to break even. Double that with a 2000 unit bank.
For most of the members and guests, a +10 win target and a 200 unit bank is more viable. That's still a 20 to 1 win to loss ratio for break even, but a lot less investment.
Can it be played to +5 on a 100 unit bank without losing our wins to losses ratio?
Sometimes a system needs some elbow room to wiggle up to a win. The minimum bet size usually determines this.
Thanks for all your work.
Quote from: GLC on Jul 16, 08:53 AM 2012
Dear Marvin,
Looks like a pretty solid method. I wouldn't expect anything less since it's a combination of 2 of the best methods on the forum, in my humble opinion.
If you use a 1000 unit bank and shoot for +50 win target, you will need 20 Wins to 1 loss to break even. Double that with a 2000 unit bank.
For most of the members and guests, a +10 win target and a 200 unit bank is more viable. That's still a 20 to 1 win to loss ratio for break even, but a lot less investment.
Can it be played to +5 on a 100 unit bank without losing our wins to losses ratio?
Sometimes a system needs some elbow room to wiggle up to a win. The minimum bet size usually determines this.
Thanks for all your work.
This system in my humble opinion needs a lot of an elbow room to generate a profit George and you know it. Unfortunately there are no half ass solutions here. If you play with 2000u BR and aim for 100u win then you have a chance. Playing with 200u BR and aiming for 10u win is not going to get you anywhere. Just analyze some sessions. To go down 200u with 8u or 10u base bet takes only few sessions. You just hope for enough BR to sustain you during a bad run to get few consecutive wins. Otherwise you could basically get stuck in a no mans land for some time. And it would feel like waterboarding :D
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jul 16, 09:19 AM 2012
This system in my humble opinion needs a lot of an elbow room to generate a profit George and you know it. Unfortunately there are no half ar*e solutions here. If you play with 2000u BR and aim for 100u win then you have a chance. Playing with 200u BR and aiming for 10u win is not going to get you anywhere. Just analyze some sessions. To go down 200u with 8u or 10u base bet takes only few sessions. You just hope for enough BR to sustain you during a bad run to get few consecutive wins. Otherwise you could basically get stuck in a no mans land for some time. And it would feel like waterboarding :D
I'm privy to that water boarding stuff, that's why I mentioned that the smaller bank may not allow enough wiggle room for the bets to move up and down and finally level off with a win.
I appreciate your astute analysis of the system's bank requirements.
As a side note. Wow! Perfect English. What a pleasure to read.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jul 16, 09:19 AM 2012
This system in my humble opinion needs a lot of an elbow room to generate a profit George and you know it.
RBH, (Excuse the abbreviation, please) I just want to say that I appreciate your sense of humor with the water boarding comment.
One of the things about your posts that has a tendency to cause people to bristle is comments like the above highlighted words. It implies that I was trying to mislead Marvin which wasn't my intention at all. I just hadn't taken the time to think about my comment enough. That's why I complimented you for sharing your analysis with us, because as I read it, I knew that it was exactly correct.
Quote from: GLC on Jul 16, 10:12 AM 2012
RBH, (Excuse the abbreviation, please) I just want to say that I appreciate your sense of humor with the water boarding comment.
One of the things about your posts that has a tendency to cause people to bristle is comments like the above highlighted words. It implies that I was trying to mislead Marvin which wasn't my intention at all. I just hadn't taken the time to think about my comment enough. That's why I complimented you for sharing your analysis with us, because as I read it, I knew that it was exactly correct.
George
I admit that i havent tested it enough to come up with with some wiseass remarks. But generally in my opinion not enough BR is the most important sin among roulette players. I know that 90% here will disagree with me. :D
Regards
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jul 16, 10:22 AM 2012
George
I admit that i haven't tested it enough to come up with with some wiseass remarks. But generally in my opinion not enough BR is the most important sin among roulette players. I know that 90% here will disagree with me. :D
Regards
Hi Robeenhuut,
hows philippines weather this time of the year? :)
I think its the other way around, most of us will agree with the not enough bankroll is a sin but still most of us are practicing it. you will notice that with most of the system here and most of the people that usually asked for "how much is the BR?"
but what can you do? theres a saying in filipino that says "masarap ang bawal" which means you'll like it more when its forbidden. >:D that's why i am still finding someways to work around with it.
Quote from: marvin on Jul 16, 10:35 AM 2012
Hi Robeenhuut,
hows philippines weather this time of the year? :)
I think its the other way around, most of us will agree with the not enough bankroll is a sin but still most of us are practicing it. you will notice that with most of the system here and most of the people that usually asked for "how much is the BR?"
but what can you do? theres a saying in filipino that says "masarap ang bawal" which means you'll like it more when its forbidden. >:D that's why i am still finding someways to work around with it.
Hola Marvin
Its rain almost daily as expected at this time of the year in Luzon. Not very fluent in tagalog. I try to get by with my ingles. ;D I sincerely like your effort here but i think the more testing you will do the more you will understand the need for a bigger bankroll. Have you tested other method of Flat - rolling lines? Its basically very similar concept and the BR requirements are smaller?
Regards and good luck
this is just a thought,
1. we usually start a session with tracking numbers or waiting for triggers. (true for PCWB & Hybrid DC4)
2. we usually virtual bet after a loss - (true for PCWB)
3. some continue betting after a loss base on previous result - (true for Hybrid DC4)
4. we stop the session once were busted or we reached the target winnings.
5. most of us will agree that a 10-20% from your BR is enough to end the session. (my current target is 50% per session)
how about we do the following.M
1. retrack after a we reached 10% of our 200u or 20u
2. retrack after 3 consecutive loss
3. call it a day when we are busted or reached 50% of our 200u or 100u
if we are going to base the previous test then is 25W 0L
will this work?... only further test can tell :xd:
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jul 16, 10:53 AM 2012
Hola Marvin
Its rain almost daily as expected at this time of the year in Luzon. Not very fluent in tagalog. I try to get by with my ingles. ;D I sincerely like your effort here but i think the more testing you will do the more you will understand the need for a bigger bankroll. Have you tested other method of Flat - rolling lines? Its basically very similar concept and the BR requirements are smaller?
Regards and good luck
i really don't like staying there june-november as its always raining.
but i miss philippines during december - may because of the festive atmosphere.
as for the BR: by 7th-8th session i already realize the need for bigger BR for this tweak. but still, i am banking on the thought that the average losing streak is only 2-4 and that the max losing streak is 8.
i still have to check the rolling lines.
Quote from: marvin on Jul 16, 11:55 AM 2012
i really don't like staying there june-november as its always raining.
but i miss philippines during december - may because of the festive atmosphere.
as for the BR: by 7th-8th session i already realize the need for bigger BR for this tweak. but still, i am banking on the thought that the average losing streak is only 2-4 and that the max losing streak is 8.
i still have to check the rolling lines.
Yeah you have a long way in front of you to find out whats a best balance in terms of BR and win goal. Around 30 games you played its just a drop in a bucket. Wish that every promising system here already was coded and it would take us just a little time to test it ;D
speaking of coding, i went to marina bay sands casino(good thing i didn't brought my atm) this afternoon and recorded 3 sets of 50+ spins on 3 tables (alfastreet air ball). so instead of doing it manually and post the result here i will try to code it using php, I'm a programmer my self but didn't think of coding this until now because it takes away the excitement of playing the game, and i am not in a hurry to get rich hehehe.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jul 16, 10:22 AM 2012
George
I admit that i haven't tested it enough to come up with with some wiseass remarks. But generally in my opinion not enough BR is the most important sin among roulette players. I know that 90% here will disagree with me. :D
Regards
You're probably right reguarding the bankroll. The one who wouldn't disagree with you is F_LAT_INO and he's gto the most experience with roulette having been a dealer for a quarter of a century and a player forever. It takes a lot to counterbalance his opinion in my mind. That makes you, me, Winkel, MrJ, Nathan Detroit and F_LAT_INO on the big bankroll side, any others?
George mate,
Without a decent BR that can support the method you are playing,
no chance come on top.Here you mostly are throughout a session
and is up to individual when to stop.Last night was 420 chips down
at the first part of the session and didn't panic at all as expected streak
arrived which put me on top more then 200 and my session was finish.
We did not wait too long for an input of another BR believer ;D Nice riding Flat and cheers to your winnings. I wish i could score free booze at a casino. By the way do you drink while playing?
Don't drink at all since passed 70,earlier yes but not while play.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 16, 01:48 PM 2012
Don't drink at all since passed 70,earlier yes but not while play.
Yeah dont drink and gamble :D But somehow it helps me in my bet selection. So last question PCWB or Rolling Lines? I know PCWB requires larger BR and its your older baby....
this latest 4/5 sectors havent lost as yet aiming 100 chips,56 wiesbaden sessions over 300 spins,
won all,while 9 of 56 would have lost if continued playing.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 16, 02:03 PM 2012
this latest 4/5 sectors haven't lost as yet aiming 100 chips,56 wiesbaden sessions over 300 spins,
won all,while 9 of 56 would have lost if continued playing.
So if you played for more than 100 chips you would have lost your BR of 1000 chips playing PCWB?
So i guess you prefer PCWB? But played strictly for 100u?
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jul 16, 02:14 PM 2012
So if you played for more than 100 chips you would have lost your BR of 1000 chips playing PCWB?
So i guess you prefer PCWB? But played strictly for 100u?
no,no the BR, but the whole session wouldn't come as a winner...it is not martingale to lose BR,
even thought 47 winning session in whole wins much,much more then those 9 losing sessions.
Tome 100 chips quite enough.