We have 4 pair combinations EC.
for example, take the high and low. This will be HH-LL-HL-LH
We are waiting for the arrival of complete combination and then use a 4 steps progression
- it will be 15 units
example
3 35 30 28 5 13 25 8
L H - H H - L L - H L now we play against first pair LH
if lost against second pair HH
for 1600 spins never reached the 4 steps.
Please if you have questions.
Hello....
.... if we win the first L H we stop and start new ?
....if we loose the first L H then we make a progression on the H H ?!?
....when we are through the LH HH LL HL we use the last 4 outcomes as our new combinations ?
going to try it out these days
Ray
whats the progression?
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jul 15, 05:22 PM 2012
what's the progression?
4 steps martingale I guess
Quote from: rayhd63 on Jul 15, 03:52 PM 2012
Hello....
.... if we win the first L H we stop and start new ?
....if we lose the first L H then we make a progression on the H H ?!?
Ray
Yes.
I tested 3500 spins won 142 never lost risk 15 units
7777, Let me see if I understand you.
You track until you get all 4 pairs in the last 8 spins or can you take any 4 pairs.
In other words, does it have to be HH LH LL HL or can it be HH HL HH LL?
Let's take HH LH LL HL. Are you saying that there's an 8 step progression possible if you start betting 1 unit on the very 1st H and then 2 units on the 2nd H and if you lose 4 units on the L then 8 units on the H and then 16 units on the next L etc..?
How did I get to 2191 posts?
Talk about bloviating!
I think that the way to play it is to collect 4 outcomes of 2 EC's in a row. HH HL LL LH. Then when H hits bet L. If you lose then you wait for H to hit again and bet H, if loss after L hits bet H and if loss the final step is to bet against 4th pair after the first outcome in it hits so after L hits you bet L. You bet against repetition 4 patterns of pairs of EC's using 4 bets. You can use Marty or other progression. It reminds me of EGO approach when he bets against any 3peat of patterns of 3 EC's always starting with the same EC. So after HLL HHH HLH you bet every time when H hits against triplets so here you go HH LL HL. You retrack after each win.
Robeenhuut is right. It is the same thing in more simplistic terms.
Random Vs Random with a Lightning Conductor is the fancy name Ego calls it, because the bet selection is always changing.
It is the same as playing against a series of 8 (with or without zero mixed in).
The illusion of advantage comes from skipping and reducing bets.
The only thing i would like to had, and i played a lot in the last few years with this, is that you do not need to go all in in order to come ahead. I mean martingale is an agressive option that will balance itself once you place around 1000 bets.
Anyway it is a very fancy bet. =)
Cheers
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Quote from: GLC on Jul 15, 11:33 PM 2012
7777, Let me see if I understand you.
You track until you get all 4 pairs in the last 8 spins or can you take any 4 pairs.
In other words, does it have to be HH LH LL HL or can it be HH HL HH LL?
Let's take HH LH LL HL. Are you saying that there's an 8 step progression possible if you start betting 1 unit on the very 1st H and then 2 units on the 2nd H and if you lose 4 units on the L then 8 units on the H and then 16 units on the next L etc..?
How did I get to 2191 posts?
Talk about bloviating!
I track until i get 4 pairs in yhe last 8 spins.
It can be any combination.
I got to the 4th step, only one time (and I would not bet on Step 5)
Thanks GLC!
Can you give suggestions?
Best regards.
Quote from: donik7777 on Jul 16, 07:32 AM 2012
I track until i get 4 pairs in yhe last 8 spins.
It can be any combination.
I got to the 4th step, only one time (and I would not bet on Step 5)
Thanks GLC!
Can you give suggestions?
Best regards.
Is there a reason why you wait until you get 4 pairs when you only intend to bet on 2 pairs?
As far as a progression goes, with systems like this one where you are trying to catch a win within 4 bets, a martingale system is the only real feasible bet progression. The reason? It's the only way you can get a win no matter where in the 4 bets you win.
A dynamic martingale might be worth considering as a recovery method. You could bet 1-2-4-8 and if you lose, you have lost 15 units. Since you've only gotten to the 4th bet one time in your testing, you could break the 15 units into 8 & 7 and play 8-16-32 and 7-14-28 to recover the 15 units. If you lose either one of these, you just take the loss.
You have to balance the risk of losing 15 units on your basic 1-2-4-8 bet and then the possibility of losing 56 more units (8-16-32) for a total loss of 71 units vs only losing 15 and having to recover 1 unit at a time. With the dynamic martingale recovery method you would have to lose 4 in a row and 3 in a row back to back. Or lose 4 in a row, win 3 in a row and lose 3 in a row.
Or, if you lose 1-2-4-8 (-15) then win 8-16-32 you will be only -7 and then lose 7-14-28 you will be down -56.
That's a lot of words just to say that you can either recover a 15 unit loss 1 unit at a time or take a chance and try to recover in 2 wins instead of 15, realizing that you are shooting for 2 wins of 3 bets only.
There's always a trade-off between speed of recovery and risk. Most will opt for recovering 1 unit at a time. If you have the capital, the end result is probably the same but with less time invested. And, unless your name is Ivica Boban who's living the life of Reilly on the beaches of the Adriatic sea, time is at a premium for us working blokes.
Almost hard to believe that it never went past 4steps,,,marty would be the only way then
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jul 16, 01:13 PM 2012
Almost hard to believe that it never went past 4steps,,,marty would be the only way then
Yeah Tomla it can go for a while bringing you the dough. I remember that not long time ago i went crazy betting against some Ec pattern under bit of influence and won i don't remember the exact number but close to 20 straight decisions. S.h.i.t happens also in a positive way.
Next day i lost it all ;D
Thanks GLC!
Very nice suggestion 1-2-4-8 (8-16-32).
But i made 4000 spins never lost.
Only one problem need wait sometimes very long (2-5 trigger in 100 spins), but this much better then play consistently and recover deep lost.
Can somebody help for simulating in 1000 000 spins.
Thanks for help.
Quote from: albertojonas on Jul 16, 04:06 AM 2012
Robeenhuut is right. It is the same thing in more simplistic terms.
Random Vs Random with a Lightning Conductor is the fancy name Ego calls it, because the bet selection is always changing.
It is the same as playing against a series of 8 (with or without zero mixed in).
The illusion of advantage comes from skipping and reducing bets.
The only thing i would like to had, and i played a lot in the last few years with this, is that you do not need to go all in in order to come ahead. I mean martingale is an agressive option that will balance itself once you place around 1000 bets.
Anyway it is a very fancy bet. =)
Cheers
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4300 spins
While no loss, we will see.
HH
HL
LL
LH
Do you start betting here vs HHHLLLLH?
or
H bet L
H bet H
L bet H
L bet L
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jul 17, 10:56 AM 2012
HH
HL
LL
LH
Do you start betting here vs HHHLLLLH?
or
H bet L
H bet H
L bet H
L bet L
You bet vs HHHLLLLH.
I really like this system. If you can track all 3 ECs there will be more betting opportunities. This system really pays if you have the patience to sit out and wait for triggers.
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jul 17, 10:56 AM 2012
HH
HL
LL
LH
Do you start betting here vs HHHLLLLH?
Yes.
4500 3 times to 4 steps.
I believe you , of course I just tried and hit 4 in a row quick-lol I will try more
Ok against 8 in row HHHLLLLH after a hit you reset a new 8 I guess?
No continue. Start if last 8 spins different 4 pairs
ahh I did it wrong then
thanks
Quote from: donik7777 on Jul 17, 09:11 PM 2012
No continue. Start if last 8 spins different 4 pairs
Hello Donik
Any particular reason that you chose HL? You can play all 3 EC's at the same time to speed it up. Did you test it against live wheel or RNG?
Regards
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jul 17, 11:06 PM 2012
Hello Donik
Any particular reason that you chose HL? You can play all 3 ECs at the same time to speed it up. Did you test it against live wheel or RNG?
Regards
I tried still on HL i know about all 3 EC. You can test all EC.
I tested against 00 live wheel.
Soon i will post charts to see what happens in the long run...
Thanks!
Best regards!
love to see the results on this one---ahhh the wait-lol
4700 spins no lost.
are you using zumma or your own 00/0 ,,,,,whats the bet come 3-5 times every hundred spins?
I use 0/00 from VLS forum database.
I made 6000 spins, won 234 units and lost 1 time 15 units, but if i played use GLC suggestion i lost 7 units.
Quote from: donik7777 on Jul 22, 10:04 PM 2012
I made 6000 spins, won 234 units and lost 1 time 15 units, but if i played use GLC suggestion i lost 7 units.
Hello Donik
Your stats should be the same if you used any combination of 4 pairs of any EC's. I went through some live spins from SMLive and i found my first loss playing the way you did in 5 or 6 games.
You just have an amazing strike rate so far but it will go down. But still 234/1 :D
Regards
This example how i playing.
24 2 34 31 12 3 31 6 0 31 35 11 27 9 23 19 15 25 10 33 25 20 2 13 6 17 29 23
H L H H L L H L H H L H L H H L H L H H H L L L L H H
` Red letter - trigger 4 pairs in 8 spins (not attention 0)
Green letter -bets
-First bets we win second steps we play again LL (12 3) our results L H
-Second bets we win on 1 step again LH (10 33) our result H
I need chart simulating if somebody can?
Best regards.
I really like this system!
I'm going to do a test on BV No Zero, betting all ECs and also the dozens using a mod I call "3 Pairs", which works basically the same. When the 3 different pairs exist in the last 6 spins, we bet against the first 3 dozens repeating. Progression is Martingale 1,1 - 3,3 - 9,9
Wait for the 3 different combonations in the last 6 spins:
3 combinations are:
12
13
23
The pairs can be written in any order as long as those 3 pairs exist in the last 6 spins. To elaborate:
12 = 21
13 = 31
23 = 32
Examples (green represents the 6 spins that are the trigger):
1
2
1
3
1
3
1
2
2
3 T
2 W
3
3
1
3
2
2
1 T
3 L
3 W
1
2
1
2
3 T
3 L
3 W
Let's see what happens.
Good work Donik, thanks!
Very nice suggestion!
We wait your results.
Thanks.
Quote from: donik7777 on Jul 22, 10:50 PM 2012
This example how i playing.
24 2 34 31 12 3 31 6 0 31 35 11 27 9 23 19 15 25 10 33 25 20 2 13 6 17 29 23
H L H H L L H L H H L H L H H L H L H H H L L L L H H
` Red letter - trigger 4 pairs in 8 spins (not attention 0)
Green letter -bets
-First bets we win second steps we play again LL (12 3) our results L H
-Second bets we win on 1 step again LH (10 33) our result H
I need chart simulating if somebody can?
Best regards.
Hello Donik
Do you still test or play it?
Regards