I didn't want to post this system but N1CKYYY did have the results on this so he ask me to make a thread on it .
Its a dozen system ,i have done about 5000 spins the highest bet was 12 units to win only 2 times ok the system.
We track the last 13 spins ,the dozen that has the most hit that's the dozen we bet on ,wins come with in 8 spins .
After a win we need to let 6 spins without betting to recycle the dozens,there is a reason for that.
Now if there is a tie pick the last dozen to bet on ,if the last dozen is the lowest one pick the last on befor that .
10 34 36 2 12 4 25 10 7 23 18 35 28
1dxxxxxx
2dxx
3dxxxxx first dozen we bet .
Next number for example is a 10 we win first spin,so now i wait for 5 spins to pass before playing another game that would be a total of 6 spins ,now look back 13 spins and do it all over again.
So now we await N1CKYY graphs on this system .
Sounds interesting!
Can't wait to see the graphs.
Sam
Quote from: warrior on Jul 17, 09:56 PM 2012
I didn't want to post this system but N1CKYYY did have the results on this so he ask me to make a thread on it .
Its a dozen system ,i have done about 5000 spins the highest bet was 12 units to win only 2 times ok the system.
We track the last 13 spins ,the dozen that has the most hit that's the dozen we bet on ,wins come with in 8 spins .
After a win we need to let 6 spins without betting to recycle the dozens,there is a reason for that.
Now if there is a tie pick the last dozen to bet on ,if the last dozen is the lowest one pick the last on befor that .
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using what progression warrior?
vundarosa
Quote from: warrior on Jul 17, 09:56 PM 2012
I didn't want to post this system but N1CKYYY did have the results on this so he ask me to make a thread on it .
Its a dozen system ,i have done about 5000 spins the highest bet was 12 units to win only 2 times ok the system.
We track the last 13 spins ,the dozen that has the most hit that's the dozen we bet on ,wins come with in 8 spins .
After a win we need to let 6 spins without betting to recycle the dozens,there is a reason for that.
Now if there is a tie pick the last dozen to bet on ,if the last dozen is the lowest one pick the last on befor that .
Hola Warrior
I would be concerned with sleepers here. But maybe only very rarely a dozen goes from very hot to very cold and it happens to dozens that hit just at average rate. The fact that you went only 8 steps in 5k spins even including tracking might confirm that. But of course its still only 5k. :D
Regards
Hi Warrior,
Perhaps we could use the two 'hottest' double streets as an alternative to dozens.
Best wishes, rossco.
Quote from: vundarosa on Jul 17, 11:25 PM 2012
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using what progression warrior?
vundarosa
FIBOANACCI
Quote from: rossco on Jul 18, 12:49 AM 2012
Hi Warrior,
Perhaps we could use the two 'hottest' double streets as an alternative to dozens.
Best wishes, rossco.
Start tesing let us no .
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 17, 10:15 PM 2012
Sounds interesting!
Can't wait to see the graphs.
Sam
ME TOO
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jul 18, 12:11 AM 2012
Hola Warrior
I would be concerned with sleepers here. But maybe only very rarely a dozen goes from very hot to very cold and it happens to dozens that hit just at average rate. The fact that you went only 8 steps in 5k spins even including tracking might confirm that. But of course its still only 5k. :D
Regards
Rob like i said it when to 11, and hit on 12 2 times, yes they can sleep that's why I'm waiting for the results from N1CKYY.so i can see what I'm dealing with.
In a cycle of 37 spin we all no that 13 14 will be sleepers ,more like 14 ,so i used 39 spin ,which gives the negative probability, of the total of events and negative events,and numbers present in a dozen,2.2 is the maxium of cycle for a dozen ,it comes out to 1.8 so its less then 2.2,and this is why i came up with this to see if this theory is correct.
This is why Rob i use 6 spins after a win ,to re-cycle the dozen ,so we dont get the sleepers that the dozens greatly represent.
Quote from: warrior on Jul 18, 09:32 AM 2012
This is why Rob i use 6 spins after a win ,to re-cycle the dozen ,so we don't get the sleepers that the dozens greatly represent.
Hola Warrior
Try to be as impartial as possible here. I have not found a sequence yet that went over 8 spins :D
But i like you so maybe i have not tried hard enough. so the jury is still out ;D
Regards
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jul 18, 10:35 AM 2012
Hola Warrior
Try to be as impartial as possible here. I have not found a sequence yet that went over 8 spins :D
But i like you so maybe i have not tried hard enough. so the jury is still out ;D
Regards
Rob in my testing most of the wins were coming in within 8 spins i have twice come across 12,so in my oppinion 12 is boader line for me ,but the 2 to 1 pay out is attractive .
Like i said i did not want to post this but N1CKYYY could not down load the graghs on my pm,and ask me to make a thread on it,so therefore i had no clue i was in court :LoL: ,i like to post systems that can win on roulette ,for me its not about making millions or even thousands ,only a little bit is all it takes to beat these monsters of casinos ,its not how much i win its how little i lose.
Hi warrior here are the charts as i promised you.
I made 10 sessions with 10 000 spins and they are were succesful.
UNFORTUNATELLY there are times when there is a little risk but as i said all the sessions were POSITIVE unlike if you play the regular fibonacci on dozens and columns.
I think this is an IDEAL SYSTEM to recover your loses from another system like LABOUCHERE, OSCAR'S GRIND OR REVERSE MARTINGALE.
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Sorry for making you create a new thread. It is just easier to answer questions here:)
Thanks Nicky for your input. Now we need tweak doctors ;D Anybody out there?
Thanks N1CKYYY,Rob the only progression i no is the rise and fall by L HOLLOWAY,it can get us out of the slumps.
Hello
If I'm reading right, the largest draw down was about 65 units. Is that excessive?
So, N1CKYYY, you are using a modified Fibo? Care to explain? Do you mean modified from ECs to dozens?
Sam
Quote from: warrior on Jul 18, 11:52 AM 2012
Thanks N1CKYYY,Rob the only progression i no is the rise and fall by L HOLLOWAY,it can get us out of the slumps.
Where could one find this progression?
Sam
Quote from: warrior on Jul 18, 11:52 AM 2012
Thanks N1CKYYY,Rob the only progression i no is the rise and fall by L HOLLOWAY,it can get us out of the slumps.
Hola Warrior
Prog is of course important but a classical 1Dz prog 112346....is in my opinion good enough but 1u win to 40u loss in 8 steps makes me a bit uncomfortable considering the fact that we can except to go more than 8 steps sooner or later. Should we go longer than 8 steps? Then in each step you risk at least 20u more to win 1u. I guess thats a perfect scenario to code it and play around with it.
Regards
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 18, 12:15 PM 2012
Hello
If I'm reading right, the largest draw down was about 65 units. Is that excessive?
So, N1CKYYY, you are using a modified Fibo? Care to explain? Do you mean modified from ECs to dozens?
Sam
Well the title is a little misleading. The progression is not modified. Just the way we bet is based on rules that are explained in the begining of the thread.
the progression is
0.01, 0.01, 0.02, 0.03, 0.05, 0.08, 0.13, and so on
Fn+1 = Fn-1 + Fn
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 18, 12:15 PM 2012
Where could one find this progression?
Sam
I have the book but i can post here for you.
Quote from: N1CKYYY on Jul 18, 03:28 PM 2012
Well the title is a little misleading. The progression is not modified. Just the way we bet is based on rules that are explained in the begining of the thread.
the progression is
0.01, 0.01, 0.02, 0.03, 0.05, 0.08, 0.13, and so on
Fn+1 = Fn-1 + Fn
The title is not important, ,its like a boat to get you to the other side of the lake.
but the results are pretty good.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jul 18, 12:25 PM 2012
Hola Warrior
Prog is of course important but a classical 1Dz prog 112346....is in my opinion good enough but 1u win to 40u loss in 8 steps makes me a bit uncomfortable considering the fact that we can except to go more than 8 steps sooner or later. Should we go longer than 8 steps? Then in each step you risk at least 20u more to win 1u. I guess that's a perfect scenario to code it and play around with it.
Regards
Thats gambling nothing is for sure.
Quote from: warrior on Jul 18, 03:36 PM 2012
I have the book but i can post here for you.
I'd appreciate knowing the name of the book and the author. I'll buy it, maybe.
Sam
It would be nice to know how many times we had a win on each bet.
Like JL posts. 100 wins on bet #1
70 wins on bet #2
50 wins on bet #3
Etc...
This can be helpful in determining a safer progression.
If we know that 70% of the wins come in the 1st 4 bets, we can use a progression that needs 2 or even 3 wins to fully recover. This will keep our bets from escalating too quickly and we can be less afraid of a long losing sequence.
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but I thought a Fibo was for ECs only. Does this system not bet on a single dozen?
Where am I going wrong? (Please don't name ALL the places, just on this thread!)
Sam
Many thanks warrior and N1CKYYY.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 18, 05:19 PM 2012
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but I thought a Fibo was for ECs only. Does this system not bet on a single dozen?
Where am I going wrong? (Please don't name ALL the places, just on this thread!)
Sam
Sam - Fibbo sequence can be used anywhere, just more common on EC's.
MM
Nice system, bad name ^^
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 18, 04:11 PM 2012
I'd appreciate knowing the name of the book and the author. I'll buy it, maybe.
Sam
Full time gambler .
Quote from: vladir on Jul 18, 07:45 PM 2012
Nice system, bad name ^^
We all need to be enlightened mr vladir,that is the meaning of the word .
Quote from: GLC on Jul 18, 04:13 PM 2012
It would be nice to know how many times we had a win on each bet.
Like JL posts. 100 wins on bet #1
70 wins on bet #2
50 wins on bet #3
Etc...
This can be helpful in determining a safer progression.
If we know that 70% of the wins come in the 1st 4 bets, we can use a progression that needs 2 or even 3 wins to fully recover. This will keep our bets from escalating too quickly and we can be less afraid of a long losing sequence.
I think your right,but there is so much on here for free and seems to that there are people that dont post anything ,so why the ones that are the observers do a little work,i have done my part N1CKYYY has done his part ,let the others step up if they like the system and get those results that your asking for GLC ,GREAT IDEA .
I can throw numbers at you slowly,, hand tested:) when possible,,200 spins played ....hit the dozen within 4 spins each time.
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jul 18, 09:14 PM 2012
I can throw numbers at you slowly,, hand tested:) when possible,,200 spins played ....hit the dozen within 4 spins each time.
Sound good :thumbsup:
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jul 18, 09:14 PM 2012
I can throw numbers at you slowly,, hand tested:) when possible,,200 spins played ....hit the dozen within 4 spins each time.
when lose all 8 steps wait 6 spins and continue with the progression on the new trigger?
OR
accept the loss? and start from 1?
OR
continue progression until 13 step ?
1-1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34-55-89-144-233-,,,
:-[ attached two sessions
I analyzed 1st chart of 10k spins posted by NICKYYY ( great thanks :D ) He used Fibo 1123581321 playing with 0.01u. I found 11 lost 8 steps progressions ( each loss represents 55u and each win 3.6u on average). 10k spins represents around 440 games played on average (13 spins tracking plus 4 spins and 6 spins waiting for next cycle so one game in my estimate takes 23 spins ) So we had 429W and 11L for 39/1 strike rate. Chart showed 22u profit so after deduction of 11x0.68u in losses we would have earned around 15u. Translating into 1u,1500u in 440 games, 3+u a game. We had one game that went 14 spins (drop of 10u past 8k mark) I wonder what happened in other charts ;D
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jul 19, 01:48 AM 2012
I analyzed 1st chart of 10k spins posted by NICKYYY ( great thanks :D ) He used Fibo 1123581321 playing with 0.01u. I found 11 lost 8 steps progressions ( each loss represents 55u and each win 3.6u on average). 10k spins represents around 440 games played on average (13 spins tracking plus 4 spins and 6 spins waiting for next cycle so one game in my estimate takes 23 spins ) So we had 429W and 11L for 39/1 strike rate. Chart showed 22u profit so after deduction of 11x0.68u in losses we would have earned around 15u. Translating into 1u,1500u in 440 games, 3+u a game. We had one game that went 14 spins (drop of 10u past 8k mark) I wonder what happened in other charts ;D
I made a mistake in calculation of profit from a chart. Should be around 800u or 1.8u a game. ;D
Fibo
0 1 1 2 3 5 8 13.........add the last two for the next bet.
When you win, do you cross off the last two?
0 1 1 2 3 5 8 13........then I win on 21, so I X out the 13 and the 8--right? Is that not for a 1-1 return? If my bet had been 21 on a dozen, I would have won 42 and I only needed 33 to clear the line.
As you can see, the Fibo is not something I have studied.
Any take-me-by-the-hand help is appreciated.
Sam
I invented money management system for THIS VERY SYSTEM created by warrior.
You can run a bot to play with 0.01 on betvoyager until the end of the table limit is reached which is 60 euro for dozens and columns. At this point your progression can not escalate upper and most probably you are going to lose part of the money you have won.
Now here is the good part:
Next few games you start playing with 1 euro chips for example and win lots of money in a few spins.
WHY is this going to work?
Because analizing the charts we see that big drops happen every 3-4 thousands spins on average and 'almost impossible' to happen one after another.
Does somebody know what is the maximum limit of money you can win from betvoyager before getting banned? ( I always feel paranoid that they will detect me for using bots )
Quote from: N1CKYYY on Jul 19, 04:42 AM 2012
I invented money management system for THIS VERY SYSTEM created by warrior.
You can run a bot to play with 0.01 on betvoyager until the end of the table limit is reached which is 60 euro for dozens and columns. At this point your progression can not escalate upper and most probably you are going to lose part of the money you have won.
Now here is the good part:
Next few games you start playing with 1 euro chips for example and win lots of money in a few spins.
WHY is this going to work?
Because analizing the charts we see that big drops happen every 3-4 thousands spins on average and 'almost impossible' to happen one after another.
Does somebody know what is the maximum limit of money you can win from betvoyager before getting banned? ( I always feel paranoid that they will detect me for using bots )
Hola Nickyyy
Not so quickly. Around 70u risk means 18 steps in Fibo. And you will be playing lots of games. To cover 25 steps you would need 1000u..... And I'm talking euros... ;D You can play your bot and hope that you will win few times 20 or 30euros and hope that rarely you will lose 60u.
Regards
Quote from: albertojonas on Jul 18, 11:31 PM 2012
when lose all 8 steps wait 6 spins and continue with the progression on the new trigger?
OR
accept the loss? and start from 1?
OR
continue progression until 13 step ?
1-1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34-55-89-144-233-,,,
:-[ attached two sessions
Lots of mistakes in your numbers ,i just had to look at the first string of Ls ,then a W and 3 more LS and the W, you did not count six before starting a new game, the 3 Ls and the W ARE 4 SPIN meaning you won on the 4th spin ,so 2 more spins no betting would be 6 then look back 13 and wala you would of won on the second spin in your second game ,and not have all those LS.TRY AGAIN.
I did not go through all your numbers because i found the first mistake right at the beginning so therefore i no there is more.good try.
Quote from: N1CKYYY on Jul 19, 04:42 AM 2012
Does somebody know what is the maximum limit of money you can win from betvoyager before getting banned? ( I always feel paranoid that they will detect me for using bots )
I have not yet been banned, and the only restriction I got were max 5000 at each withdraw.
They may use that you use a bot as excuse, but I do not think they care very much, most of the winnings are calculated as loan with interest. They have an autoplay, there you can shuffle 1 cent,
24/7, and this function they have because it gives profit.
I do not think they ban because of winnings, if they have problems with low margin, they adjust the rules. They did, some years ago I won much on Roulette Express, I could progress to 30 Euro
on a bet 1 to 200. Now you are allowed to bet max 3 euro.
Quote from: Ralph on Jul 19, 10:38 AM 2012
I have not yet been banned, and the only restriction I got were max 5000 at each withdraw.
They may use that you use a bot as excuse, but I do not think they care very much, most of the winnings are calculated as loan with interest. They have an autoplay, there you can shuffle 1 cent,
24/7, and this function they have because it gives profit.
I do not think they ban because of winnings, if they have problems with low margin, they adjust the rules. They did, some years ago I won much on Roulette Express, I could progress to 30 Euro
on a bet 1 to 200. Now you are allowed to bet max 3 euro.
Who are you kidding Ralph? They love people with bots. The longer you play the more they are going to take from you. The same with taking notes at casino. You have a system sir? But of course we will allow you to take notes ;D
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jul 19, 10:53 AM 2012
Who are you kidding Ralph? They love people with bots. The longer you play the more they are going to take from you. The same with taking notes at casino. You have a system sir? But of course we will allow you to take notes ;D
Who is kidding? I wrote they do not care, but still may use it as excuse, if they have softer argument, for why they want to stop you (some casinos do). More play more profit for the bank.
They will change rules, if they can not earn more with more play.
Quote from: Ralph on Jul 19, 11:04 AM 2012
Who is kidding? I wrote they do not care, but still may use it as excuse, if they have softer argument, for why they want to stop you (some casinos do). More play more profit for the bank.
They will change rules, if they can not earn more with more play.
What excuse? They want you in casino 24/7. They want you to play bot 24/7 on RNG. Ever played bot Ralph? I guess not. Me neither ;D
Thanks warrior, N1CKYYY.. your work is highly appreciated.
This is the Intrinseca method except the fact that you follow the hot dozen while intrinseca use a table to determine which dozen to bet on.
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;id=27 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;id=27)
Kattila posted a similar one were he bets the warm/middle dozen not the hot one and after only 12 spins not 13.
As per my tests Kattila's method give good results too. And it may be true that we will have the same results even if we chose the cold one..
So the question is: why is this working(if it does), is the fact that a dozen rarely sleeps for 12 spins and when it happens it can easily sleep for more than 20 spins? IMHO the answer is yes. I may be wrong but if its working why questioning, right?.. Thinking out loud here :)
Anyways, it will be interesting if we can see a comparative test with the three of them (warrior/Katilla/Intrinseca) because they are very similar methods except the fact that the bet selection is different.
Have fun!
S.
I can not see we differ in opinion, may be I not get the English right. Have you never had any problems with any casino, you have not tried to many.
They can use any excuse to delay payment, I have still a case which is two years. The agree its my money, but use all excuses they can find. They demand for example a color photo on the copy of my passport, the original is black and white.
But this threed is about a doz method
Did manual play 100 spins in real mode. Three times up to eight.
Quote from: Ralph on Jul 19, 12:07 PM 2012
I can not see we differ in opinion, may be I not get the English right. Have you never had any problems with any casino, you have not tried to many.
They can use any excuse to delay payment, I have still a case which is two years. The agree its my money, but use all excuses they can find. They demand for example a color photo on the copy of my passport, the original is black and white.
But this threed is about a doz method
I had few problems with bets not being accepted and not refunded but they were resolved quickly. But if play only online that's a risk you need to take. I would never play any long progression online. Too much risk.
Warrior
I just ordered the book. Less than $10.
Thanks...
TC
Did 100 more play in real mode. Once the fib went to 55 unit, a few times to 8 units.
That time it was 55 units the last six spin had no dominant DOZ, I used the 6:th back.
Played this today at Riverwind RNG and it won big time. Most wins came before the third attempt.
Sam
@ Sam
could you give me the title of the book ?!? I'm intrested also in the book.
Regards
Ray
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 20, 10:11 PM 2012
Played this today at Riverwind RNG and it won big time. Most wins came before the third attempt.
Sam
Its the best in my opinion,for a dozen betting system,I'm trying this with winkle win as much as you can, but using extentend fibo for the dozens.I no that this wins with a normal fibo.WARRIOR
Today I was trying it some, and it was not working well, 220 (about) units lost. Did very well for some time.
As i think nothing will work well forever, I am not surprised, I did still went minor plus total.
If something break now and then, I is just to catch up, but when it rows up, it is difficult.
I will let it rest I try it again in a while.
Quote from: Ralph on Jul 22, 12:51 PM 2012
Today I was trying it some, and it was not working well, 220 (about) units lost. Did very well for some time.
As i think nothing will work well forever, I am not surprised, I did still went minor plus total.
If something break now and then, I is just to catch up, but when it rows up, it is difficult.
I will let it rest I try it again in a while.
Tell me how you are tracking?
Exactly as described in the first post.
Its not strange at all, the ball can fall in any pocket. It holds well, but expect to meet some bad runs sometimes, otherwise you can not play it, the casinos will close or change the game rules.
I could progress more, but it it would have been worse, I continue other play and know the numbers which come.
Do you have your sesssion numbers from your last game?
Sorry I did not noted anything, did not even count the numbers of spins the dozen not show.
It were something around 30 spins. This is not common, but still it happens.
The fib will go high in 30 spins, I did not like to follow if it needed over 200 chips.
The recovery is done, using a method which was suited better, at the situation.
still count on repeaters! :)
Quote from: Ralph on Jul 22, 02:24 PM 2012
Sorry I did not noted anything, did not even count the numbers of spins the dozen not show.
It were something around 30 spins. This is not common, but still it happens.
The fib will go high in 30 spins, I did not like to follow if it needed over 200 chips.
The recovery is done, using a method which was suited better, at the situation.
still count on repeaters! :)
Thats to bad you didnt keep records ,buy you should because those help in the long run to see how random behaves,11 is the most i have seen the fibo takes care of this very well,30 spins is rare but yes it does happen .
I do not note all my games, I do it during some testing. I run this for maybe 200 runs, Had moderate height in some fib:s (51 sometimes). Then I stop note down. It was during an other play, I need to track, and I usually bet while tracking. Sometimes just a cent an an EC, otherwise the wheel will not spin. This time I jugs start on dozen, using not the lowest value.
I do not belive in note down all spins, all random combinations are more or less infinite. The likehood 30
absent doz can be estimated, but not when it happens.
Quote from: warrior on Jul 17, 09:56 PM 2012
We track the last 13 spins ,the dozen that has the most hit that's the dozen we bet on ,wins come with in 8 spins .
After a win we need to let 6 spins without betting to recycle the dozens,there is a reason for that.
warrior
When I started out, planning to wait for 13 spins, I noticed that one dozen got so far ahead the other two could not have caught it, so I went with it.
When waiting for the six, I used the winner before as the first dozen and then looked for six new. Sometimes one dozen would have four marks under it and the others could not tie or pass it, so I went with it.
It worked for me.
Sam
I'm shocked and appalled!
This is really a good way to bet. Far better than betting the last or penultimate.
No one is interested?
Sam
I think its a kick butt way of betting
I'm interested, but don't have much time rigth now to test new methods...
What you think of this progression:
1-1-1-2-3-5-7-11
Max on a win is 2 units, and on the 3rd attempt, we just break even . But it costs only 31 units for 8 steps, instead of the 55 for a normal fibo...
Maybe using the first one until we have a loss, and then use the normal fibo for recovering?
interesting idea to change progression for recovery,,,
1 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89
this is fibbo for me. O0
So it seems we have a working system :-)
Can anyone please upload some excel/pdf file with complete RNG session with last working rules with no aggresive prog?
Thank you.
This method by warrior has a high strike rate. It occurs to me that it may work even better if used with 'Engineered / Crossing / Croatian Dozens'. Each of the 'Crossing Dozens' is comprised of a sector of four numbers in all Dozens and all Columns.
For explanation of these terms please refer to :
A. index.php?topic=326.1365 Reply# 1373.
AND :
B. index.php?topic=326.1350 Reply# 1361.
rossco.
Nice work, Warrior. I've tested with thousands of live data from dublin, works very well.
To minimize progressions, perhaps we should be careful with "anomaly". It doesn't come very often, but when it comes could be painful. Below is an example:
17
11
27
5
26
21
11
13
20
20
20
14
(12 spins: D1=3, D2=7, D3=2)
We bet on D2 right? the results:
29
28
36
32
34
34
30
33
10
12
8
9
20
It took 13 progressions or 609 units to win.
What i meant by "anomaly" is previously D2 hits 7x, more than 50% of 12 rounder for 3 candidates. This imbalance could cause another "anomaly" of sleeping.
In my humble opinion, perhaps we should take not that if the hottest hits more than 6x (50%), we take the no. 2 candidate. Doesn't come very often anyway..
Cheers
bossdarling, excellent idea.
What do you think is the best progression? for example, 1 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 - stop?
Hi zwanatico, I think the key is not the progression, but the pattern reading.
I read Gizmotron's advice on randomness, Winkel's "see watch going on", VLS curve of winning & losing (to me it's favourable & unfavourable patterns), Hermes' imbalance roulette, JL's patience to wait for certain conditions, etc, etc.
And yes, I think D and C patterns are quite readable.
Cheers..
Very profitable system thank you :thumbsup:
This is the best dozen bet to date.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 18, 12:15 PM 2012
Hello
If I'm reading right, the largest draw down was about 65 units. Is that excessive?
So, N1CKYYY, you are using a modified Fibo? Care to explain? Do you mean modified from ECs to dozens?
Sam
and it still around 65 TCS
Quote from: N1CKYYY on Jul 18, 11:26 AM 2012
Hi warrior here are the charts as i promised you.
I made 10 sessions with 10 000 spins and they are were succesful.
unfortunately there are times when there is a little risk but as i said all the sessions were POSITIVE unlike if you play the regular fibonacci on dozens and columns.
I think this is an IDEAL SYSTEM to recover your loses from another system like LABOUCHERE, OSCAR'S GRIND OR REVERSE MARTINGALE.
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Sorry for making you create a new thread. It is just easier to answer questions here:)
FOR THOSE WHO HAVE MISSED THIS .
@Warrior
I for one missed it............ wasn't here then.
So thank you very much for the reminder and the guided missile to re-launch it!
Cheers
[reveal=Lovely Graphs]Those graphs looks very enticing! ^-^ [/reveal]
Quote from: Chrisbis on May 09, 05:54 PM 2013
@Warrior
I for one missed it............ wasn't here then.
So thank you very much for the reminder and the guided missile to re-launch it!
Cheers
[reveal=Lovely Graphs]Those graphs looks very enticing! ^-^ [/reveal]
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Read it.............
making myself an Excel sheet for it :thumbsup:
Stay tuned......
Thank you for an interesting system!
Has anybody made a tracker/excel sheet for this that they would like to share?
I suck at Excel so I'm having difficulties making one myself.
Having read this Topic again, from start to finish, this method looks plain PLUMB for a cyclic style of bet to be thrown at it, and I wonder if GreatGrampa's could have a look at it too, and make up a magic potion for the play sequence?
:smile:
After the initial tracking, maybe cycles of 3/4/5 of even 6
Slight increase with each step, and flat bet thro each bet cycle.
I'm wondering.......................!
Quote from: Chrisbis on Jun 23, 02:54 PM 2013
Having read this Topic again, from start to finish, this method looks plain PLUMB for a cyclic style of bet to be thrown at it, and I wonder if GreatGrampa's could have a look at it too, and make up a magic potion for the play sequence?
:smile:
After the initial tracking, maybe cycles of 3/4/5 of even 6
Slight increase with each step, and flat bet thro each bet cycle.
I'm wondering.......................!
What does plumb mean?
Quote from: warrior on Jun 23, 05:01 PM 2013
What does plumb mean?
It means definite or a no-brainer or bang on the money!
In cricket, if a batsmen has a ball that smacks him on the pads and was going to hit the stumps (lbw) then they say that it was a plumb delivery!
Yep..........Bang-On BW!! lol :wink:
So, has anything changed about the system since the first post?
This is how I interpret the instructions (please correct me if I'm wrong! ).
1) Track 13 spins.
2) Check off the last 13 numbers in their respective dozen. Example:
The 13 tracking spins:
10 34 36 2 12 4 25 10 7 23 18 35 28
1st xxxxxx
2nd xx
3rd xxxxx
3) Bet 1 unit on the dozen with most hits. In the example above, the 1st dozen.
4) Bet using the Fibonacci sequence (1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89 etc.) until we win.
5) Start a new tracking of 6 spins.
6) Repeat steps 2 through 5.
Did I miss anything?
By the way, is it possible to make an Excel sheet to simplify the tracking? I'm lost at Excel myself so I'm not much help there.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: hea1976 on Jun 23, 06:23 PM 2013
So, has anything changed about the system since the first post?
This is how I interpret the instructions (please correct me if I'm wrong! ).
1) Track 13 spins.
2) Check off the last 13 numbers in their respective dozen. Example:
The 13 tracking spins:
10 34 36 2 12 4 25 10 7 23 18 35 28
1st xxxxxx
2nd xx
3rd xxxxx
3) Bet 1 unit on the dozen with most hits. In the example above, the 1st dozen.
4) Bet using the Fibonacci sequence (1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89 etc.) until we win.
5) Start a new tracking of 6 spins.
6) Repeat steps 2 through 5.
Did I miss anything?
By the way, is it possible to make an Excel sheet to simplify the tracking? I'm lost at Excel myself so I'm not much help there.
:thumbsup:
I've tried to make a tracker for this system. I can't guarantee that it works 100% so please be careful. If someone would like to test it out and improve it it would be great. I don't have Office so the tracker is made in OpenOffice Calc.
I personally had no luck at all with this system, and neither did my friend. We played it like it's written but I'm starting to think we went wrong somewhere..?
Thanks for your system
Could this system benefit from a "Frameworks" type of overview to it?
Such things as:-
1. Breaking the session into mini games
2. Not betting every spin & re-track for new trigger(s)
3. Low target threshold within the mini games
4. Playing for 3out of 4 wins instead of win dominance
?
Just a thought.
U may now look at it with fresh eyes, & stare from outside the box instead of inside the bet!!?!!
Now here is an oldie great graphs
Quote from: Winner on Sep 06, 11:36 PM 2018
Now here is an oldie great graphs
Hey Winner,
Thanks for bumping this up. Seems to have some good information in it.
"work like sweet all the time"
A programme to play this method.
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link:s://tinyurl.com/y9a977dk (link:s://tinyurl.com/y9a977dk)
Note to Steve
Haven't been able to upload file as attachment lately.
Get an error message - file too big or takes to long to upload.
Also upload doesn't start until I click on the "Preview" button.
Well done!
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Programmers,
You are a valuable commodity here. You will save people a fortune in wasted money, and time. Some people refuse to believe the experts and will only believe what they see after trying something for themselves. Your programs are a great solution.
Now you need to code/program a simulator for the Martingale and for the KTF to help free more minds.
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Quote from: N1CKYYY on Jul 18, 11:26 AM 2012
Hi warrior here are the charts as i promised you.
I made 10 sessions with 10 000 spins and they are were succesful.
UNFORTUNATELLY there are times when there is a little risk but as i said all the sessions were POSITIVE unlike if you play the regular fibonacci on dozens and columns.
I think this is an IDEAL SYSTEM to recover your loses from another system like LABOUCHERE, OSCAR'S GRIND OR REVERSE MARTINGALE.
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P.S.
Sorry for making you create a new thread. It is just easier to answer questions here:)
Here is an oldie