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Well 6 days really

Signed up and played, made 7 or 8 withdraws and then I got this,

Dear Paul

We write further to your recent contact with our Online Support team regarding the fact that you are unable to place certain values of stakes in our Casino.

William Hill Casino reserves the right, through our terms and conditions, to accept or refuse the whole or part of any bet placed with ourselves. At times, we may choose to restrict the maximum value which a customer may place, but this is within our right to do so and we are not obliged to present any further details relating to this decision.

Note that this practice is common throughout the gaming world and whilst we understand you may not be satisfied with this, it is our prerogative to do so.

We apologise for any inconvenience that this may cause you and value your ongoing custom with William Hill Casino.

Best regards,

Nigel Brown
Account Specialist




Just thought I would share!


PaddyPower are far better and let you bet up to 20,000 on Bac, they are not Pussy's like w@ankerhill

Oh and a couple of other things,

They also, at the end, started to make it more difficult to withdraw

You know the drop down Menu ? Well I would click it and then try to click withdraw and the drop down Menu would clear, sometimes it took over 30 attempts to make a withdraw

Also, they cancel 3 withdraws themselves. You know you have a period of around 6 hours to cancel ure withdraw ?
Well 3 of mine were cancelled and I had to do them again

Mistake ? One happened at 02.25am and I was asleep so i know it was them !!

I understand and it sucks that on-line casinos has the power to only pick losers as costumers.
Same issue with pepole who is into sport betting.
They get limited or a ban - same shit.

I made a topic about this - some one should start a website or biog and list all casinos that will limited or ban players with out any explanation - well then you can list all existing on-line casinos LOL

What kind of gains were you making?  Had you doubled or tripled your account balance?  And, would you owe that to skill that beats the game in the long run?  Maybe that's the impression they got, and didn't want to take anymore chances. 

Hello again TwisterUK!


Which "methods"" had you been using?


Glad to see you back!

Hello Twister,

just a couple of questions please :-

1) what game were you playing at their casino ? (You mention bac but not roulette)

2) why on earth would you make 7/8 withdrawals in 6 days ?


Thank You

O0

Hey everyone  :wink:

Well I was playing 10c Roulette and turned £40 into around £200

Yes just £160 Profit and they close me down !

The reason for the withdraws was my own MM so I could not 'lose it' if the chance came

Maybe this was what they didnt like ? On reflection that is most likely why. As soon I won around £20 I withdrew it and just played on with my deposit of £40

I didnt use a Method, I just played Orph's (8 numbers) with a progression

"w@ankerhill"

Now that's a new word!

...D@ang the tricky b@aest3rdz...   ^-^

thanks for your reply Twister  ;)

Looking at another thread regarding the closing of a WH account

link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9097.0 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9097.0)

he also made a lot of withdrawals in a short space of time  ??? ???

O0

Quote from: Twisteruk on Jul 20, 06:57 PM 2012
Well I was playing 10c Roulette and turned £40 into around £200

Yes just £160 Profit and they close me down !

:o :o :o


Man, at this rate soon they'll cut people at their first withdrawal:


"Sorry, the withdrawal facility is not available anymore for your account. You can of course deposit as much as you please.


Note that this practice is now common throughout the gaming world.

We apologise for any inconvenience."

Twister...
Ive been with William Hill for 3 years without a hiccup.

I recently had about 14 withdrawals all in action ranging from £15 to £30

I won £200 with their complementary £8 they gave me...no probs.

Turner.

They comped me £8, £12, and £25 in one week once.

Quote from: Twisteruk on Jul 20, 05:45 PM 2012
Well 6 days really

Signed up and played, made 7 or 8 withdraws and then I got this,

Dear Paul

We write further to your recent contact with our Online Support team regarding the fact that you are unable to place certain values of stakes in our Casino.

William Hill Casino reserves the right, through our terms and conditions, to accept or refuse the whole or part of any bet placed with ourselves. At times, we may choose to restrict the maximum value which a customer may place, but this is within our right to do so and we are not obliged to present any further details relating to this decision.

Note that this practice is common throughout the gaming world and whilst we understand you may not be satisfied with this, it is our prerogative to do so.

We apologise for any inconvenience that this may cause you and value your ongoing custom with William Hill Casino.

Best regards,

Nigel Brown
Account Specialist




Just thought I would share!


PaddyPower are far better and let you bet up to 20,000 on Bac, they are not Pussy's like w@ankerhill

Hi Twister

I lasted 10 days

I did win 2 grand but got the same letter as you did

I was surprised but I did manage to get all the cash out in the end

When I complained they said they did not like my style of play

all I did was hit some hot repeaters and kept doubling my bet

I hit a good run and it paid off

They are just sore loosers

so wankerhills and stick there casino where the sun dont shine lol

D1.

Well, seems it boils down to their assessment of all future wins from the player with that particular system or "style". The oldie "irregular playing pattern" excuse. They act as fortune tellers; inferring single-player certainty of wins, when it is the overall balance from all players as a pack what they should be calculating as per the traditional math of the game, which lies in their favor.

---

Chances are there's people in charge of player method analysis. Judging from the "all I did" and "I didn't use a method" type of posts from the banned fellows above, the analysts must really suck at it.
ie "What!? Close account, close account. Anything with progression makes winning holy grail method, dats fo' shurr bass" (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9883.0;attach=9981;image)

I think they just didnt like my MM

It cant be the money, can it ? £160 ? Is that enough for w@ankerhill to go running scared to its Mommy ??

I think Vic is right, they just saw how I was playing and knew I would take them for a bucket load

I did write a reply to their response and this is what I got,

Hi Paul

This is Mark from the Customer Services Team.

We have received your email and we understand how you feel.

You may access other games (RNG) but there are certain games in the casino that you no longer have access.

However, the information that we have provided you was based on the result of a full investigation. Your concern has been diligently investigated and has undergone a full and thorough review by a group of dedicated agents.

We understand that you are not satisfied with the results; but we aim to provide a fair, reliable and competent conclusion in line with our goal to deliver excellent customer service to all our valued customers.

Please let us know if you need further assistance.



W@NKERHILL.COM

Cant seem to use william hill in Australia anymore. What is orphs 8 numbers ??
Cheers jason

Quote from: Twisteruk on Jul 21, 05:11 AM 2012
I think they just didn't like my MM

It can't be the money, can it ? £160 ? Is that enough for w@ankerhill to go running scared to its Mommy ??

I think Vic is right, they just saw how I was playing and knew I would take them for a bucket load

I did write a reply to their response and this is what I got,

Hi Paul

This is Mark from the Customer Services Team.

We have received your email and we understand how you feel.

You may access other games (RNG) but there are certain games in the casino that you no longer have access.

However, the information that we have provided you was based on the result of a full investigation. Your concern has been diligently investigated and has undergone a full and thorough review by a group of dedicated agents.

We understand that you are not satisfied with the results; but we aim to provide a fair, reliable and competent conclusion in line with our goal to deliver excellent customer service to all our valued customers.

Please let us know if you need further assistance.



W@NKERHILL.CO (W@NKERHILL.COM)

At least they have a sense of humor.


Trebor

Quote from: turnerfeck on Jul 20, 07:26 PM 2012
Twister...
I've been with William Hill for 3 years without a hiccup.

I recently had about 14 withdrawals all in action ranging from £15 to £30

I won £200 with their complementary £8 they gave me...no probs.

Turner.

They comped me £8, £12, and £25 in one week once.

What is ure overall Profit and Loss ?? Are you constantly winning ??

If ure with them for 3 years without a 'hiccup' then I dont understand why they would close me down for £160

Quote from: D1 on Jul 20, 08:27 PM 2012

Hi Twister

I lasted 10 days

I did win 2 grand but got the same letter as you did

I was surprised but I did manage to get all the cash out in the end

When I complained they said they did not like my style of play

all I did was hit some hot repeaters and kept doubling my bet

I hit a good run and it paid off

They are just sore losers

so wankerhills and stick there casino where the sun don't shine LoL

D1.

I think, most likely, thats what they thought I would of gone on to do. So they nipped in the bud so to speak

It is sad when a Casino can not stomach a loss of £160

Also maybe they thought I would increase my Stake as I was, at the time, playing 10c Stakes

Quote from: ausjase on Jul 21, 05:14 AM 2012
can't seem to use william hill in Australia anymore. What is orphs 8 numbers ??
Cheers jason

hey Jason

FYI willhill have banned AUS from their site(s), its due to ure Goverment restrictions.

Here is a cover for playin Orph's. Can be very profitable if you find a wheel where they pop up more often than they should

Orphelins (orphans)
These numbers make up the two slices of the wheel outside the Tiers and Voisins. They contain a total of eight numbers, comprising 17,34,6 and 1,20,14,31,9.
5 chips or multiples thereof are bet. 1 chip is placed straight-up on 1 and 1 chip on each of the splits: 6/9; 14/17; 17/20 and 31/34.

ok thanks :) I havent played online for a while. What is the progression you use if you dont mind ??

Quote from: Twisteruk on Jul 20, 06:57 PM 2012
Hey everyone  :wink:

Well I was playing 10c Roulette and turned £40 into around £200

Yes just £160 Profit and they close me down !

The reason for the withdraws was my own MM so I could not 'lose it' if the chance came

Maybe this was what they didn't like ? On reflection that is most likely why. As soon I won around £20 I withdrew it and just played on with my deposit of £40

I didn't use a Method, I just played Orph's (8 numbers) with a progression

I play regularly like this on Will Hill

£35 deposit.

Some system or other, mabe repeats or I play either side of a prime number...so 11 shows, i bet 7,11,13.

I win...balance £47, I bank the £12 as a withdrawal.
I allways habe the original balance at close of play. In withdrawals will be £12, 17.
At the end of the week, If I am in profit, I will cash what hasn't gone back into my bank acount out of withdrawals and back into the deposit. My balance will be £57 which is made up from 3 or 4 little withdrawals then i withdraw the lot so there is one big withdrawal.

I've played like that for 3 years.

One thing I do regularly is this. If I had a good week, I leave £30 in..or similar and play silly with it.....I usually get it to £50, but eventully will lose it.

It shows as a loss. You need to lose a bit so you don't go over the radar.

I risk £100 a month. best is £450, worse has been £100 loss a few times in 3 years. I usually stop at £50 loss and withdraw the other £50 I put in.

Just note that habit of chopping off the profits into little withdrawals. It looks really suspicious.

But they never say a word.

That may all be bollox.....but its worked for me.

Additional info.

I only play live wheel, either with a Dolly Dealer, or Airball.

I never play RNG......I do play in practice mode a lot too....that is RNG. I practice baccarat and Craps there. They will be monitoring there too you know?

I noticed a new window in practice. When you wina few times, a pop-up shows saying "you are doing really well, why not try live play?"

that's recent.

One odd thing also....I've noticed during a nights session, there are quite a few no plays (X) where the ball left the wheel.

oh....something else I do a LOT. I play their live wheel but play it on RX...so I am playing live numbers as they come out...but in RX. it times out every 5 mins, but I reboot. I can do that 15 times a night. That must look suspicious too.

Quote from: turnerfeck on Jul 21, 07:38 AM 2012
I play regularly like this on Will Hill

£35 deposit.

Some system or other, mabe repeats or I play either side of a prime number...so 11 shows, i bet 7,11,13.

I win...balance £47, I bank the £12 as a withdrawal.
I allways habe the original balance at close of play. In withdrawals will be £12, 17.
At the end of the week, If I am in profit, I will cash what hasn't gone back into my bank acount out of withdrawals and back into the deposit. My balance will be £57 which is made up from 3 or 4 little withdrawals then i withdraw the lot so there is one big withdrawal.

I've played like that for 3 years.

One thing I do regularly is this. If I had a good week, I leave £30 in..or similar and play silly with it.....I usually get it to £50, but eventully will lose it.

It shows as a loss. You need to lose a bit so you don't go over the radar.

I risk £100 a month. best is £450, worse has been £100 loss a few times in 3 years. I usually stop at £50 loss and withdraw the other £50 I put in.

Just note that habit of chopping off the profits into little withdrawals. It looks really suspicious.

But they never say a word.

That may all be bollox.....but its worked for me.

Additional info.

I only play live wheel, either with a Dolly Dealer, or Airball.

I never play RNG......I do play in practice mode a lot too....that is RNG. I practice baccarat and Craps there. They will be monitoring there too you know?

I noticed a new window in practice. When you wina few times, a pop-up shows saying "you are doing really well, why not try live play?"

that's recent.

One odd thing also....I've noticed during a nights session, there are quite a few no plays (X) where the ball left the wheel.

oh....something else I do a LOT. I play their live wheel but play it on RX...so I am playing live numbers as they come out...but in RX. it times out every 5 mins, but I reboot. I can do that 15 times a night. That must look suspicious too.

I understand what ure saying but surely it comes down to Profit and Loss ??

Ok my style was suss to them as I only played at certain times BUT if ure with them for 3 Years and turn out 20 30 or 40k (Whatever it is) Profit a year then thats gonna close you down, no matter how you play
Or at least I would think it would

No I never used their RNG, however I was directed to do so once I was banned from their Live Casino

Did you have an argument with them about something over the live chat thingy. They can be quite non commital....meaning, when you (kind of) accuse them of something...they come over all "you dont know our systems like we do...that cant go wrong sir..."

And the story allways ends the same. "We are continually striving to give our customers the best service possible"

Quote from: turnerfeck on Jul 21, 08:16 AM 2012
Did you have an argument with them about something over the live chat thingy. They can be quite non commital....meaning, when you (kind of) accuse them of something...they come over all "you don't know our systems like we do...that can't go wrong sir..."

And the story allways ends the same. "We are continually striving to give our customers the best service possible"

Nope. It happened just the way I told it.

As for the X games where the ball spins out of the wheel, that does happen alot (more so than ive ever seen before) but I dont think its suss
I see happen 2 or 3 times in a row and it was while the wheel was spinning the ball spun out onto the floor
They have nothin to gain by it
It wasnt like the ball was in a number and then flew out, thats how I saw it anyway.

ok...I guess its the last thing you feel like doing....but could you type out a perfect session that you performed.

I bet this...on that, it lost this....I did this, I won that....

mabe the clue lies there. Also how you deposit and withdraw during that session.

I think thats the only way to get to the bottom.

When you joined also....did you refuse the free bonuses?

All I did was deposit £40 and play Orph's after a Trigger then play until win. Then once I had won £20 or there abouts I withdrew it and continued on from £40

Thats it.

I find it strange that the guy named Nigel--A Brit, I assume--would so murder the King's English.  (I'm referring to post one, the copied message from WH.)


****We write further to your recent contact with our Online Support team***

Who writes like that?  Chinese trying to write in English.

Sam

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 21, 12:32 PM 2012
I find it strange that the guy named Nigel--A Brit, I assume--would so murder the King's English.  (I'm referring to post one, the copied message from WH.)


****We write further to your recent contact with our Online Support team***

Who writes like that?  Chinese trying to write in English.

Sam

What do you expect Sam?. A customer support is on a low paying scale and no offense to anybody involved and i apologize for my ingles too.  ;D

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 21, 12:32 PM 2012
I find it strange that the guy named Nigel--A Brit, I assume--would so murder the King's English.  (I'm referring to post one, the copied message from WH.)


****We write further to your recent contact with our Online Support team***

Who writes like that?  Chinese trying to write in English.

Sam

Most likely LOL !

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 21, 12:32 PM 2012
I find it strange that the guy named Nigel--A Brit, I assume--would so murder the King's English.  (I'm referring to post one, the copied message from WH.)


****We write further to your recent contact with our Online Support team***

Who writes like that?  Chinese trying to write in English.

Sam

Sam,

It reads actually perfect English. I saw absolutly nothing wrong with it.

Its how we talk....LoL

Granted...its layed out in a legal term way...but its perfectly correct.

I love the way you keep calling us Brits too. Britain is some world concept. No one in England, Scotland, N ireland or Wales thinks they are British...

The whole concept of having a GB football team in the Olympics is hillarious

Football was invented for the sole purpose that the 4 countries could hate each other more.

watching "The Hollow crown" Shakespear HenryV TV film.

Now thereth' be thy correct method of speech, me thinks"

My lord...I laugheth out loud!!

turner

You seem to not like me and that's fine.  I'm a lot like brocolli--some folks can't stomach me.

Calling Nigel a Brit was no insult on my part any more than Lanky calling me "cobber".  Still don't know the meaning of that word.  I only know "bloke" from MRS. BROWN, YOU'VE GOT A LOVELY DAUGHTER.

So, truth is, I don't know what you call yourselves.  People sometimes call us "Yanks"--short for Yankees---and many of us still fly the Confederate Flag. Those people might take offense at the term.

I am thoroughly chastised!  I shall refrain from posting on your threads--should you start any--and surely refrain from any racial slurs!!

By the way, I once heard Elton John call himself a "Brit".  Excuse me, that's Sir Elton John.

Sam

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 21, 04:14 PM 2012
turner

You seem to not like me and that's fine.  I'm a lot like brocolli--some folks can't stomach me.

Calling Nigel a Brit was no insult on my part any more than Lanky calling me "cobber".  Still don't know the meaning of that word.  I only know "bloke" from MRS. BROWN, YOU'VE GOT A LOVELY DAUGHTER.

So, truth is, I don't know what you call yourselves.  People sometimes call us "Yanks"--short for Yankees---and many of us still fly the Confederate Flag. Those people might take offense at the term.

I am thoroughly chastised!  I shall refrain from posting on your threads--should you start any--and surely refrain from any racial slurs!!

By the way, I once heard Elton John call himself a "Brit".  Excuse me, that's Sir Elton John.

Sam

Jesus Sam...calm down. I was having a bit of a laugh.

I thoroughly like you and love reading what you post.

If you want to go off on a dicky fit...I really coudnt give a sh*t

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 21, 04:14 PM 2012
turner

You seem to not like me and that's fine.  I'm a lot like brocolli--some folks can't stomach me.

Calling Nigel a Brit was no insult on my part any more than Lanky calling me "cobber".  Still don't know the meaning of that word.  I only know "bloke" from MRS. BROWN, YOU'VE GOT A LOVELY DAUGHTER.

So, truth is, I don't know what you call yourselves.  People sometimes call us "Yanks"--short for Yankees---and many of us still fly the Confederate Flag. Those people might take offense at the term.

I am thoroughly chastised!  I shall refrain from posting on your threads--should you start any--and surely refrain from any racial slurs!!

By the way, I once heard Elton John call himself a "Brit".  Excuse me, that's Sir Elton John.

Sam

--I LOVE BROCCOLI--eat it 2-3 times a week----You too sam

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 21, 04:26 PM 2012



--I LOVE BROCCOLI--eat it 2-3 times a week----You too sam

Thought you were too busy winning to post here...lol

Quote from: Twisteruk on Jul 21, 09:51 AM 2012
All I did was deposit £40 and play Orph's after a Trigger then play until win. Then once I had won £20 or there abouts I withdrew it and continued on from £40

that's it.

Anyhow...back to the topic...

Twister, I know it doesnt help but Onlines are definatly more paranoid than landbased. You can run every known bot.code known to man online, so they are looking for some kind of automatic pattern I guess. Play like a Duffus now and again perhaps.

Turner

Quote from: turnerfeck on Jul 21, 04:31 PM 2012
Thought you were too busy winning to post here...LoL

--You are not well inform/mean don't read all posts/been playing this afternoon airball,
night playing becomes too strenous in my years those days.You right too busy playing,
but still love brocculi....and Sam--two of us and guitar 200 years.

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Jul 21, 04:50 PM 2012

--You are not well inform/mean don't read all posts/been playing this afternoon airball,
night playing becomes too strenous in my years those days.You right too busy playing,
but still love brocculi....and Sam--two of us and guitar 200 years.

I was joking Flat....never mind (tough audience!!!)

Quote from: VLS on Jul 20, 07:01 PM 2012

:o :o :o


Man, at this rate soon they'll cut people at their first withdrawal:


"Sorry, the withdrawal facility is not available anymore for your account. You can of course deposit as much as you please.


Note that this practice is now common throughout the gaming world.

We apologise for any inconvenience."

Well, that is fun because I had a similar experience with smartlive... they allow me to withdraw(only that my acc. balance is 0) but I'm not allowed to deposit anymore!
In this moment I also have some problems with BV, my last two withdrawals are awaiting for approval since 5 days ago.
So, I guess if one has a winning method there is only one way, B&M casinos.

Have fun!
S.

Quote from: turnerfeck on Jul 21, 04:41 PM 2012
Anyhow...back to the topic...

Twister, I know it doesn't help but Onlines are definatly more paranoid than landbased. You can run every known bot.code known to man online, so they are looking for some kind of automatic pattern I guess. Play like a Duffus now and again perhaps.

Turner

True.
If I was them I wud of blocked me too lol

LOL

They emailed me again saying I can still Download their Casino and play RNG, it wasnt worded like that but that was the jist of it........


Love from W@ankerhill

Why don't you try asking them WHY it's ok to play RNG (but not live wheel). Just interested in the response you might get to that question.

My guess is you won't get a straight answer.  ::)

The wikipedia entry for WH is a bit of an eye-opener. Judging by their history, not a company you'd particularly want to do business with or work for.  They really do sound like a bunch of w*nkers.  :o

link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Hill_%28bookmaker%29 (link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Hill_%28bookmaker%29)

Quote from: Bayes on Jul 23, 02:59 AM 2012
The wikipedia entry for WH is a bit of an eye-opener. Judging by their history, not a company you'd particularly want to do business with or work for.  They really do sound like a bunch of w*nkers.  :o

link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Hill_%28bookmaker%29 (link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Hill_%28bookmaker%29)

WOW  :o

Thanks for the link bayes I read it from start to end, I have been with Willaim Hill with accounts of one form or anothr for over 30 years now, and I did not hardly anything of what I just read.

I have never had any problemes with them in all that time, but it was still very intresting reading, it makes you think about who you are dealing with.

As the saying goes "Better the Devil you know..."

Thanks

malcop

Quote from: Bayes on Jul 22, 04:56 PM 2012
Why don't you try asking them WHY it's ok to play RNG (but not live wheel). Just interested in the response you might get to that question.

My guess is you won't get a straight answer.  ::)

Thats it in a nutshell, I wont get a straight answer  :thumbsup:
It does make you wonder why they would be happy for me to play their RNG but not their Live Wheel.....

Possible straight answer:

Dear Paul

Just like any other RNG operator we have the ability to re-try the RNG until any from a more convenient number pool as determined by us is picked prior to transferring the results to you. We are not incurring in any irregularity since you agreed to this by accepting our Terms of Service (please see section 25):

25.6       You acknowledge that our random number generator will determine the outcome of the games played through the Services and You accept the outcomes of all such games.
link:s://williamhill-lang.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/6719 (link:s://williamhill-lang.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/6719)

At all times the player is playing samples from an industry-certified true RNG sequence which can transparently stand auditing. The results are unmistakably pulled from our RNG, being our right to reserve how many times it is re-set prior to number transferring.

Note that this practice is common throughout the gaming world and whilst we understand you may not be satisfied with this, it is our prerogative to do so.

Thanks for playing at w@nkerhill

:wink:

 I quit playing at william hill about 2 years ago give or take.  They hate winners i agree 100%.
When a casino is banning a player for winning a few hundred measly quid is beyond belief.
Lesson to learn here people , play crafty do not make repeated withdrawels , most casino's will consider banning you if you do..Avoid william hill at all costs!!

Quote from: Kingspin on Jul 24, 08:32 PM 2012
I quit playing at william hill about 2 years ago give or take.  They hate winners i agree 100%.
When a casino is banning a player for winning a few hundred measly quid is beyond belief.
Lesson to learn here people , play crafty do not make repeated withdrawels , most casino's will consider banning you if you do..Avoid william hill at all costs!!

Vert true.
William Hill are a terrible Casino to play at if you win, even if its as low as £160 play 10c Roulette
Their table limits are really low
I would say PaddyPower are by far the best Casino on the block now
Great Video Feed and great table limits
I think Bac is around £15,000 Max bet !

padypower have just increased their min bet to 50p up from 10p :/

Anyone got any more 10p casinos?

I like Noble Casino subby.


Can they be trusted? I like to think so.


Wish Bayes had his own casino :)

I would like to add to this thread what just happened to me in WillamHill casino

So far I took about 700$ from them - thats profit not counting my depoits
Thats 700$ and I am with them since february this year so it's not that much

I was playing like usual when I got a message about connection problems and that I had to confirm my bets manually. It happens lately more often but it's ok, i just click confirm and when I stop betting I close the table and open it up again and the auto-confirm works again
So,
the bet didn't register and I got the message that it didnt register and to contact support, bla bla bla
no matter, I didn't get a hit so no problem
I re-bet and click confirm
the ball spins and I get a hit
So ok, im thinking ok, I got a hit I'll close it and open again...
But whats this
a window opens and says connection problems bla bla bla
and I didnt get my money
I contact support and thats when I lost 2 years of my life
for the love of me I can't understand why they don't see some things or is it on purpose
So the table I was playing wasn't availabe any more, I guess it went offline
I join the other table to see my last played game code as directed by the operater "Issis"
off course the last game code is 2 numbers before my win ( after that is the spin that didnt register and then my winning spin)
And offcourse he says that he sees that was my last bet
So now I am arguing with him and I give him the next two numbers and tell him to go check that the table is offline
He says that i am haing connection problems and theres nothing they can do
I am not having connection problems casue if I did I could not be speaking with him now could I?
And I tell him that they are having problems, there table is offline and such
He asks me if I have a scrennshot
Now I didn't know I had to screen every win I got - that's insane
So after a little more arguing the table gets back up
I go to the table and look at the history and there was my hit, and I see my balance grows - I got my money
I give him the code and tell him I got my money and that now he knows that I am not a liar
He tells me that I just played that and gives me stats about the last spin showing I played it 11 minutes ago ( I mean how dumb is this guy)
I tell him to look at the time and that I did not just play it , I played it 11 minutes ago
Then he copy pastes me some connection issue rule from their TOS
and I ask him is he going to copy paste me now? What I am talking with a robot or something?

Any way, after being practically called a liar and a thief I did not get any appology whatsoever

This is the third time I had problems with them
Always connection problems, always on their side
last time i told them  I was gonna leave if it happenes again and I am leaving
I mean, it's not much money
today it was like less than 10$ at stake, but its my 10$
I am leaving WH today, I hope they close down soon

Any suggestions on 0,1$ live casinos that wont f..k with you, especially for 10$?

Quote from: soggett on Aug 06, 03:13 AM 2012
I would like to add to this thread what just happened to me in WillamHill casino

Hy sogget my friend. Are you still playing my "shot of third" with that modification?


Congrats on results


Get away from WH. They become worst casino around...


Joyland should be good i think


Cheers


Drazen

Quote from: drazen_cro on Aug 06, 03:41 AM 2012

Hy sogget my friend. Are you still playing my "shot of third" with that modification?


Congrats on results


Get away from WH. They become worst casino around...


Joyland should be good i think


Cheers


Drazen

Hello my friend
yes, still at it ;)
Ok, ill give it a go there
I'll send you a mail ;)

Hi soggett
I'm sorry about your hassle but i don't see anything suspicious in itself. What you described happens to me quite often where my bets don't get accepted even after i press confirm. You need to get the small pop up that confirms your bet otherwise you'll not get paid for them. Also, when connection lags, you see a number and you think you got a hit, but its actually at the time your connection was still trying to forward your bet.
I had times where the number hit, it showed on my screen my pay out and right after that it showed the "bet not accepted" pop up.

Nothing to do with the casino, it’s just sometimes the connections get sluggish, especially if high definition videos and sound are being broadcast.

Twister had new of a nice website to test how good ones internet connection is....i tested and found out that mine is quite crap. This was when i was having trouble with rejected bets on Paddypower. So now i chose more carefully what times i play online.

anyways, keep up the good fight  :thumbsup:

vundarosa

Twister or anyone else that remembers.....what's that website where you test the quality of your internet connection?! :question:

vundarosa

Quote from: vundarosa on Aug 06, 05:42 AM 2012
Twister or anyone else that remembers.....what's that website where you test the quality of your internet connection?! :question:

vundarosa

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got it!  its  link:://:.speedtest.net/ (link:://:.speedtest.net/)

Sogget, you may want to try it out

vundarosa

Vundarosa ty but my connection is fine

(link:://:.speedtest.net/result/2104011321.png) (link:://:.speedtest.net)

WH is in England right? so then
(link:://:.speedtest.net/result/2104016228.png) (link:://:.speedtest.net)

Quote from: amk on Jul 29, 06:17 PM 2012
I like Noble Casino subby.


Can they be trusted? I like to think so.


Wish Bayes had his own casino :)

Thanks AMK - Do they have live wheels? I can't seem to get in, my Malwarebytes doesn't like their banners

if anyone looking for a casino with similar limits to william hill, maybe you can try Prestige or Eurogrand.

If you consider joining maybe you can send me a PM and i refer you and get some free mulla from them  :wink:

Here's Prestige casino 10c table limits.

vundarosa

Quote from: vundarosa on Aug 07, 08:53 PM 2012
if anyone looking for a casino with similar limits to william hill, maybe you can try Prestige or Eurogrand.

If you consider joining maybe you can send me a PM and i refer you and get some free mulla from them  :wink:

Here's Prestige casino 10c table limits.

vundarosa

Are you playing there? are you satisfied?
are they both 10c on live dealer?
I see that prestige has a 4 day wait to cashout, what is up with that?
I will be changing casinos, probably next month so if theres no requirements from me you got yourself a deal ;)  ( by requirements I mean like their bonuses - wager x30 times and that sort of thing )

Quote from: soggett on Aug 08, 01:49 AM 2012

Are you playing there? are you satisfied?
are they both 10c on live dealer?
I see that prestige has a 4 day wait to cashout, what is up with that?
I will be changing casinos, probably next month so if theres no requirements from me you got yourself a deal ;)  ( by requirements I mean like their bonuses - wager x30 times and that sort of thing )

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the times i managed win something worthy to withdraw i used a bank transfer (something to do with my credit cards) so i did not care too much about the 4 days extra waiting period.  Otherwise you can try Eurogrand....no 4 day wait deal...there are requirements for bonuses thou, 48x deposit + bonus....but from time to time they do give to loyal costumers real money / no wager bonuses. but you can opt out of wager bonuses if you like...and they also have fairly decent comps to cash ratio (900/1)

vundarosa

Vund, do they take UK players ok yeah? Are they ok to use for withdrawals etc? Have you used them before ok?

If so then I might give them a go - send me your referral link. I might not use it this month but I'll use it and help you out. I won't be taking any bonuses (playing with my own money to avoid terms and conditions of bonuses and playing them through) so I don't know if that'll do anything to your referral

i hear this many times from players. they have been banned from live tables but not from RNG.


why?


live tables are controlled by humans. could be your aunty. could be your brother. bottom line is they dont know that you dont know who they know.


RNG on the other hand....

Quote from: frost on Aug 08, 05:00 AM 2012
i hear this many times from players. they have been banned from live tables but not from RNG.

why?

What do you think, can it be more obvious?


Do the math


Cheers

No problem Vundarosa
i don't take bonuses so if that doesn't matter send me your referral link
I only need it to have 0,1$ live table minimal limit (for straight up numbers)

Quote from: drazen_cro on Aug 08, 05:37 AM 2012

What do you think, can it be more obvious?


Do the math


Cheers

shots from the fingers. that's nice. engage your brain next time. i left a 'why'. numpty.


:yawn: 

Quote from: frost on Aug 08, 05:45 AM 2012

shots from the fingers. that's nice. engage your brain next time. i left a 'why'. numpty.


:yawn:

You should change your attitude mr. frost. I didn't had intention to say how smart I am and how silly you are, with that. It was just phrase, there are still looot of people out there who don't understand that and it would be good for them to do so.


Your manners here just telling me who you are and who is numpy here.


Live wheels are controled by laws of physics, not humans... gambling RNG-s are not, and you obviously don't know much about these subjects, so better change that smile to this  :question: :question: :question:




Have a nice day


Drazen

i no enough about RNG to drive a 325i E92. im 25. that should tell you all you need to know about me.


:xd:


theres your smile.


good day to you to sir.

Quote from: frost on Aug 08, 06:01 AM 2012
i no enough about RNG to drive a 325i E92. I'm 25. that should tell you all you need to know about me.


:xd:


theres your smile.


good day to you to sir.

25? it certenly does, although i was sure about that even before telling you that  :twisted:


I can't understand what your phrase has with BMW, becasue even knowing God knows how much about gambling RNG-s, you can't  earn on them even to buy a honest bicycle... LoL


Cheers

Quote from: drazen_cro on Aug 08, 06:07 AM 2012


I can't understand what your phrase has with BMW, becasue even knowing God knows how much about gambling RNG-s, you can't  earn on them even to buy a honest bicycle... LoL

lol  :D :D :D :D
youre right my friend

Quote from: drazen_cro on Aug 08, 06:07 AM 2012

25? it certenly does, although i was sure about that even before telling you that  :twisted:


I can't understand what your phrase has with BMW, becasue even knowing God knows how much about gambling RNG-s, you can't  earn on them even to buy a honest bicycle... LoL


Cheers

;D


me and you should meet sometime. ill show you RNG and you can show me B&M


i'll tell you this however, when i first started in roulette i was making £20-40 a day playing simple martingale. sometimes it would take me 30,000 spins plus to make the £40. i did this for two weeks before i lost. 7-step progression using £1 units. it can be done. as you will already know i was still up after the loss. this was a few years back but my point is its possible.


my original post was in reference to dealer signatures. they are real. i know this because im a good friends with a former croupier. me and her speak often. she has worked in many casinos across Europe. the skill levels of croupiers vary but some of them can hit sectors at will.


this was my original point before the mud tossing. for this i apologise.


frost.

Quote from: frost on Aug 08, 06:40 AM 2012

;D


me and you should meet sometime. ill show you RNG and you can show me B&M


i'll tell you this however, when i first started in roulette i was making £20-40 a day playing simple martingale. sometimes it would take me 30,000 spins plus to make the £40. i did this for two weeks before i lost. 7-step progression using £1 units. it can be done. as you will already know i was still up after the loss. this was a few years back but my point is its possible.


my original post was in reference to dealer signatures. they are real. i know this because I'm a good friends with a former croupier. me and her speak often. she has worked in many casinos across Europe. the skill levels of croupiers vary but some of them can hit sectors at will.


this was my original point before the mud tossing. for this i apologise.


frost.

Martingale has killed more people than two world wars together, did you know that? LoL


Yes i know DS can be real in some conditions, even today. I have also very good friend, who worked as a croupier for 30 years, and i know that is possible to do that. He has learned many smartasses a lesson that way in the past...


Today is a bit harder to do that, but in some conditions and with good skills of croupier still possible sometimes. You would need to have good DD and good scatter...


I am now VB player although young and not much play experience, but i am at that path. Me only 24.. So yes if you show me how to beat gambling RNG i could show you with the live wheels hehe


Apologie accepted, all the best in the rest of your roulette voyage! ;)


Cheers


Drazen

@Soggett / Subby

sent you guys a PM....

vundarosa

Quote from: soggett on Aug 08, 05:39 AM 2012
No problem Vundarosa
i don't take bonuses so if that doesn't matter send me your referral link
I only need it to have 0,1$ live table minimal limit (for straight up numbers)

I'm also looking for other casinos with 0,1 minimum bet. Do you know any, besides the WH casinos?

Quote from: vladir on Aug 19, 09:10 AM 2012

I'm also looking for other casinos with 0,1 minimum bet. Do you know any, besides the WH casinos?

Airball on Smartlive - 45 sec to place a bet.

Quote from: vladir on Aug 19, 09:10 AM 2012

I'm also looking for other casinos with 0,1 minimum bet. Do you know any, besides the WH casinos?

Sorry

Pressed 2 times the same button  :D

Quote from: Robeenhuut on Aug 19, 09:33 AM 2012
Sorry

Pressed 2 times the same button  :D

Smart live does not accept my credit card, I don't know why :(

Quote from: vladir on Aug 19, 03:06 PM 2012
Smart live does not accept my credit card, I don't know why :(

If its not issued in States it should not be a problem. Register and talk to live support.

Well, meanwhile, you know any other casinos with 0,10 minimum bets in roullete? It can be RNG or live.

Thank you.

Quote from: vladir on Aug 19, 09:10 AM 2012

I'm also looking for other casinos with 0,1 minimum bet. Do you know any, besides the WH casinos?

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Vladir, two 0.1c casinos i have an account with are Prestige and Eurogrand....if consider joining any of them, do you mind if i send you a referal link?

vundarosa

ahhh.... i remembered also Winner but its 0.2c minimum...i really enjoyed playing there...they have 4 live tables (one is 1.0 min) with good video graphics.  They have competitions where whoever wins the most within a certain time gets some comp points that could be converted to cash...........unfortunately i never managed to win enough for withdrawals, so i don't know how they are in that front....

vundarosa

William hill are still asking to advertise on the forums, and gave an offer that's more than some people earn full time. but last time I sent them:

Quoteunfortunately some of my forum members have had issues dealing with william hill so I do not wish to promote your brands irrespective of any offer. issues like banning from roulette, and payout refusals. They have been told it is normal behavior in the industry, which I have found is not the case. But even if it was the case, the players don't find it acceptable and avoid offending casinos.

I have recommended casinos to play at that don't have record of payout refusal (in the forum ads). If that changes, the ads will be pulled and warnings will be put up. The house edge is enough of an advantage for casinos. A casino that breaches the trust of players with payout refusal etc is a legal scam.

"everything hitler did in germany was LEGAL"..

Quote from: Steve on Aug 21, 02:11 AM 2012
William hill are still asking to advertise on the forums, and gave an offer that's more than some people earn full time. but last time I sent them:

I have recommended casinos to play at that don't have record of payout refusal (in the forum ads). If that changes, the ads will be pulled and warnings will be put up. The house edge is enough of an advantage for casinos. A casino that breaches the trust of players with payout refusal etc is a legal scam.

"everything hitler did in germany was LEGAL"..

Thats great Steve ! Did they send a response ??

Quote from: Steve on Aug 21, 02:11 AM 2012
William hill are still asking to advertise on the forums, and gave an offer that's more than some people earn full time. but last time I sent them:

I have recommended casinos to play at that don't have record of payout refusal (in the forum ads). If that changes, the ads will be pulled and warnings will be put up. The house edge is enough of an advantage for casinos. A casino that breaches the trust of players with payout refusal etc is a legal scam.

"everything hitler did in germany was LEGAL"..

you are the man ;)

thanks for stepping up for us, I would have loved to see their face when they read your reply ;D
I wonder what did they answer

Their response is:

QuoteI know we have a very strong anti-fraud policy so maybe some of the players were caught in the middle of it, but the players that play according to the terms and conditions are always happy and satisfied with the service and the payouts. Should you wish to work with one of the most competitive casino platforms, please get in touch with me.

Basically it is B.S.. The players in question did nothing fraudulent. The casino holds all the cards, controls the wheels. Pretty hard for a player to cheat them, very easy for them to cheat the player. The casino representatives have no idea what the casino they promote is doing. They are just promoting it.

William hill started as an illegal operation, then became a fully registered and public company. Perhaps what they do is not technically illegal, but since when does legal guarantee ethical?

Quote from: vundarosa on Aug 08, 02:40 AM 2012

you can try Eurogrand....   ....but from time to time they do give to loyal costumers real money / no wager bonuses.

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This is what i mean...just got this on my inbox this afternoon

Quote

I want to tell you about something very special that we’ve issued for you at EuroGrand Casino: a no-wager bonus!

A no-wager bonus? what's that, you may ask? Well...

It's a no-strings-attached, no-limits bonus â€" and this one was made uniquely for you.

I’m talking about real cash that can be played with or withdrawn as you wish.

We’re giving it to you, just as another way for us to show our appreciation and give something back to our most valued customers.

So, on behalf of everyone here at EuroGrand Casino, I'd like to wish you good luck and heaps of fun here at EuroGrand Casino.

i always feel good when i get one of these in my inbox  :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

vundarosa

Yes, but Eurogrand is WH in disguise - please beware! They won't let me withdraw because of "a problem with one of our sister companies" but won't tell me what the problem is so I sort it out!  >:(

Just using the balance I have there for live testing now.

=0,1 casinos: 21Nova (WH Sister company)
Live dealer: Castle Casino and Celtic Casino

hey guyz after reading above comments about WH i am scared to hell now..... i have like 1k there should i withdraw it..... i am not consistent winner but play very responsibly.... i had a few winning nights and very few loosing nights but after loosing like $20 i mark it as a loss and stop playing..... but i am winning most of the time and loosing very few times..... i withdraw like 150-200 once every month and use it on movies, high speed net to download more movies...... now i am worried if WH blocks me access to live games or something what happens to my money will they take that too and convert it to 0$ or just close it permanently.... plz reply before its too late.... should i withdraw entire balance from there

Quote from: ashwinsinha on Sep 29, 10:37 AM 2012
hey guyz after reading above comments about WH i am scared to hell now..... I have like 1k there should i withdraw it..... I am not consistent winner but play very responsibly.... I had a few winning nights and very few losing nights but after losing like $20 i mark it as a loss and stop playing..... but i am winning most of the time and losing very few times..... I withdraw like 150-200 once every month and use it on movies, high speed net to download more movies...... now i am worried if WH blocks me access to live games or something what happens to my money will they take that too and convert it to 0$ or just close it permanently.... plz reply before its too late.... should i withdraw entire balance from there

Relax. I have been baned from live in two of their casinos. But only after I made a coinsiderable withdraw. Nontheless, the withdraw was processed. I'm simply not able to play live tables on two of their brands now, where I had a litle success. I can stil deposit an dplay everything else there with no problems, and withdraws are also processed normaly.  Overall, despite some nice winnings, I'm not proud at all, cause my overall balance is currently negative by almost 100â,¬ ... Nothing seems to work consistently enough :(

Quote from: vladir on Sep 30, 09:48 PM 2012

Relax. I have been baned from live in two of their casinos. But only after I made a coinsiderable withdraw. Nontheless, the withdraw was processed. I'm simply not able to play live tables on two of their brands now, where I had a litle success. I can stil deposit an dplay everything else there with no problems, and withdraws are also processed normaly.  Overall, despite some nice winnings, I'm not proud at all, cause my overall balance is currently negative by almost 100â,¬ ... Nothing seems to work consistently enough :(

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guys, not all playtech platform casinos are WH affiliates....and many do share the same live feeds as WH....so if you're having sucess at WH live tables, switch to one other casino that shares the same feed and avoid all the trouble with WH......

vundarosa

Quote from: ashwinsinha on Sep 29, 10:37 AM 2012
hey guyz after reading above comments about WH i am scared to hell now..... I have like 1k there should i withdraw it..... I am not consistent winner but play very responsibly.... I had a few winning nights and very few losing nights but after losing like $20 i mark it as a loss and stop playing..... but i am winning most of the time and losing very few times..... I withdraw like 150-200 once every month and use it on movies, high speed net to download more movies...... now i am worried if WH blocks me access to live games or something what happens to my money will they take that too and convert it to 0$ or just close it permanently.... plz reply before its too late.... should i withdraw entire balance from there

As long as you dont have any Bonus play through to do then ure money is safe

What ure find, if you keep winning and taking ure money out they make life a little difficult - for all the reaons Ive post above

My advice would be to withdraw ure money and go play at Paddypower Live Casino, they process withdraws with no fuss and they are speedy too further they have table limits alot higher than W@nkerhill, for example their Bac table is £20,000

I know it may sound like Im a shill for PP but they are the perfect online casino. If I had one complaint its their minimum bet on Slingshot is now 50p from 10p and their Dealer Tables are £1

Have to agree with Twister there, I play paddypower and no issues with them.

I deposit £16 and that is 32 units (0.50) when I get to £20 I withdraw. I might do this 3 times a day with a overall BR of about £150( I keep my bankroll in MY own bank account, I deposit what I need for a session) so when I withdraw on Monday ...by Thursday the winnings are back in my account. and I deposit £15 back in again and keep the £5 winnings (3 times a day is £15 a day x 20 days a month =£300 which is a nice amount for the little luxurys in life ;)  )

I've had 14 withdrawals and deposits this week alone (since monday 1st Oct) and no issues with the amount of withdrawals in Paddypower.

Tip for the member who is worried about his BR....ONLY DEPOSIT WHAT YOUR OVERALL LOSS FOR A SESSION WOULD BE and keep the rest in your OWN account. You can deposit again but they don't have ALL your BR :) Plus when you've got less units to play with you're not inclined to lose the head and have a huge gamble with 100's of units in one bet.  :thumbsup:

Quote from: subby on Oct 04, 02:21 PM 2012
Have to agree with Twister there, I play paddypower and no issues with them.

I deposit £16 and that is 32 units (0.50) when I get to £20 I withdraw. I might do this 3 times a day with a overall BR of about £150( I keep my bankroll in MY own bank account, I deposit what I need for a session) so when I withdraw on Monday ...by Thursday the winnings are back in my account. and I deposit £15 back in again and keep the £5 winnings (3 times a day is £15 a day x 20 days a month =£300 which is a nice amount for the little luxurys in life ;)  )

I've had 14 withdrawals and deposits this week alone (since monday 1st Oct) and no issues with the amount of withdrawals in Paddypower.

Tip for the member who is worried about his BR....ONLY DEPOSIT WHAT YOUR OVERALL LOSS FOR A SESSION WOULD BE and keep the rest in your OWN account. You can deposit again but they don't have ALL your BR :) Plus when you've got less units to play with you're not inclined to lose the head and have a huge gamble with 100's of units in one bet.  :thumbsup:

Now that is true experience talking, very wise words  :thumbsup:

I also find that putting a £50 a day deposit limit on my paddypower account stops me playing more times than I should.

3 times a day is plenty but you can get greedy thinking you'll win and win and win so it's good to be forced to wait until the next day to put your next deposit in. Also with any losses it stops you going on tilt and trying to win back too quick where you will fail and the casino wins.

Hi all,

I think William Hill and Prestige have the same rules!  :question:  They both dont like winners.
I did deposit 10$, then retrieved 24 times 99$ on a 2 month period,
then i receive this nice little email.  >:(

"Dear Normand,

We write further to your recent contact with our Customer Support team regarding the fact you are unable to play in any of the Live Games in our casino.

Prestige Casino  reserves the right, through our terms and conditions, to accept or refuse the whole or part of any bet placed with ourselves. At times we may choose to restrict the game(s) which a customer may play, but this is within our right to do so. This practice is common throughout the gaming world and whilst we understand you may not be satisfied with this, it is our prerogative to do so.

We apologize for any inconvenience that this may cause you and value your ongoing custom with Prestige Casino.

Yours sincerely,

Kent Davis
Account Specialist"

Ho well, i'll move to an other casino!  8)

there have been so many reports about william hill. Thats partly why I created the online casino review and reporting site at :.reportcasinos.com (link:://:.reportcasinos.com)

they may ban u from live games for no reason at all. U dont even have to win consistently. u may win one time only a few bucks and thats it. To stay with them on live games u have to lose quite a few times. And still no guarantee.

Well it's the first time i get banned from a casino in 7 years playing online...
Probably because i had a too good reading of their slingshot2 wheel.  :twisted:

No problem, i will just go back to SmartLive as before and see if their slingshot wheel have the same  type of routine.  8)

nOrMy2o0o

Quote from: Normy2000 on Nov 26, 08:41 PM 2012
Well it's the first time i get banned from a casino in 7 years playing online...
Probably because i had a too good reading of their slingshot2 wheel.  :twisted:

No problem, i will just go back to SmartLive as before and see if their slingshot wheel have the same  type of routine.  8)

nOrMy2o0o

Do they change air pressure at regular intervals and you can detect it? You posted about it before but not elaborated any further.

what air pressure do you mean? if you mean for the ball launch, there are lots of settings they can change but it not hard to detect and deal with changes.

if you mean air pressure as in weather, they cant change that unless the building is airtight. not going to happen.

Quote from: Steve on Nov 26, 10:56 PM 2012
what air pressure do you mean? if you mean for the ball launch, there are lots of settings they can change but it not hard to detect and deal with changes.

if you mean air pressure as in weather, they can't change that unless the building is airtight. not going to happen.

Im not an expert on VB but Normy claimed that on some slingshots this happens:

Jump = Number of pockets from starting point to ending point.

You track jump for CCW and CW like this:
CCW    CW
12        23
14        20    3 stady jumps
11        24
28        3      air pressure change
13        22
11        19    3 stady jumps
14        25
31        5      air pressure change

So you wait for 2 stady jumps and then, you target actual position + average of 2 last jumps for your next bet.

Example:
The 2 last CCW jumps was 12 and 14. (average = 13)
The ball stand in pocket 0. 0 + 13 CCW = 20
So you bet number 20 + 6 neighbors on either side.

Hope this help.
nOrMy2o0o

I wonder what is your opinion on that.

There is a lot more you need to do than that even for an easily beaten wheel

Quote from: Steve on Nov 27, 12:26 AM 2012
There is a lot more you need to do than that even for an easily beaten wheel

You may be right Steve, but it was enought to turn 100 units to 24k units.  8)

wow!

QuoteYou may be right Steve, but it was enought to turn 100 units to 24k units.

The method you described is very basic. It will only work under tight and rare conditions. I teach something like that to my new players as an introduction. I know very well it is unsuitable in most conditions. If you really turned 100 units into 24,000 units, you would need to have:

1. the easiest to beat wheel in the world, PLUS...
2. the most inattentive staff in the world

Hi all,
it looks like that I became hated in another casino named Joyland. Afte ban on WH Joyland do the same thing. After consulting live support they answered me by mail!!

"Subject
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Message from Joyland Casino


Discussion Thread
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Response Via Email(Arnie) - 28/11/2012 03:05 PM
Dear Niksa,

How are you? I hope you are doing well.

We write further to your recent contact with our Online Support team regarding the fact that you are unable to place certain values of stakes in our casino. Joyland Casino reserves the right, through our terms and conditions, to accept or refuse the whole or part of any bet placed with ourselves. At times, we may choose to restrict the maximum value which a customer may place, but this is within our right to do so and we are not obliged to present any further details relating to this decision.

Note that this practice is common throughout the gaming world and whilst we understand you may not be satisfied with this, it is our prerogative to do so.

We apologise for any inconvenience that this may cause you and value your ongoing custom with Joyland Casino.

Have a nice day.

Best regards,

Wesley Reed
Account Specialist"

I think this was my last deposit money in the WH casino group!!  8)

@Steve

Quote from: Steve on Nov 28, 12:29 AM 2012
1. the easiest to beat wheel in the world, PLUS...
True, this wheel was precise as a Swiss watch during the last 2 months.
2. the most inattentive staff in the world
True, it took 24 withdrawals before they notice it.

@Noksa
Welcome in the group!  ;D ;D ;D

Quote from: Normy2000 on Nov 28, 01:58 PM 2012
@Steve
@Noksa
Welcome in the group!  ;D ;D ;D

I've alredy been banned beafore few months by the Will Hill Casino,same thihg today with Joyland!! They don't like me!!  >:D

report these guys at :.reportcasinos.com (link:://:.reportcasinos.com)

Ive lost count of how many people have been cheated by these crooks. Yet still every week I get offers for them to put ads here.

Quote from: Steve on Nov 28, 04:41 PM 2012
report these guys at :.reportcasinos.com (link:://:.reportcasinos.com)

I've lost count of how many people have been cheated by these crooks. Yet still every week I get offers for them to put ads here.

Hi Steve,

Can I feel free for giving a negative feedback for Joyland casino?  I don't see it on list of casinos,or to ignore it and write on Will Hill,because is the same owner?

Would You say that Will Hill offering advertising on Your forum?? Than You ask them why immediatley ban the players who operate positively  :wink:

Quote from: niksa on Nov 29, 02:42 AM 2012
Hi Steve,

Can I feel free for giving a negative feedback for Joyland casino?  I don't see it on list of casinos,or to ignore it and write on Will Hill,because is the same owner?

Would You say that Will Hill offering advertising on Your forum?? Than You ask them why immediatley ban the players who operate positively  :wink:

How much did you win?

Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 29, 02:55 AM 2012
How much did you win?

Don't know exactly,in last few months between 800-1000â,¬ with no loss.

Glad I did not play at WH, once won much more and got paid.

WH group gone nuts i think. They ban users one after another. I can tell u that much: i know a guy who was banned from their live games from 3 casinos one after another after insignificant wins.
A few bucks winning --- and that's it :)
I don't know how they run their business. They push people to play RNG only, and they kick out of live games anyone who is not losing .

I dont know who can get on here from which country but i have had absolutly no problems with Swiss Casino. Playtech with live dealer from the standard latvian live casino.
One thing to note. You must click confirm bet unlike where i am used to.... automatic confirmation
Turner

about Swiss casino. they have 10 c bets as well. Just like WH group. but Swiss casino belongs to another group of casinos like casino King and others. And i have not heard complaints about them.
Banning or something like that.

but their is another minus. They have confirmation button u need to press to confirm bets and they never give u no-wager bonuses like WH.

Quote from: iggiv on Dec 02, 03:03 PM 2012
about Swiss casino. they have 10 c bets as well. Just like WH group. but Swiss casino belongs to another group of casinos like casino King and others. And i have not heard complaints about them.
Banning or something like that.

but their is another minus. They have confirmation button u need to press to confirm bets and they never give u no-wager bonuses like WH.

Iggiv...this is very true...and i mentioned the confirmation problem above.
This seems like a small problem but it isnt.

You naturally place your bets and wait...and I have lost a win or 2 because I didn't confirm.

The reason is obvious. They claw back a few seconds where you have a quick look for the confirmation button. that aside....its far more important to be able to win and keep your account, than get a few bonuses and a confirmation button and get banned

You also will of noticed a better visual version of playtech.

Same pseudo-casino set in Latvia. Same dolly dealers....as Will Hill

Turner

Further to this....but not important....the online help are a bit pushy and markety...pushing automatic text promoting other games like...Hulk & The Mummy style fruit machine etc.

Can be annoying, but it stops in play.

Hi Turner,

Is it the one at the scasino web address?

thanks.

BA

Quote from: Blood Angel on Dec 02, 04:08 PM 2012
Hi Turner,

Is it the one at the scasino web address?

thanks.

BA

The very same Blood Angel........

Ive just had an epiphany..

Iggiv seems to know a few tales and feedback from Will Hill....and to anyone else really.

We see many stories of being banned for doing well but.....

is there any evidence of William Hill banning somebody because they are obviously experiencing a destructive gambling problem, having lost many thousands and no aparant winning streaks or withdrawals that in any way match their deposits?.

I am guessing not.

"William Hill are advocates and promoters of responsible gambling"

Turner

Quote from: Turner on Dec 02, 04:32 PM 2012
The very same Blood Angel........

Thanks. I'll open an account there.

Quote from: Blood Angel on Dec 02, 04:49 PM 2012

Thanks. I'll open an account there.

I initially choose them because they were top of the list on 3 different independant reviews.

They also had the highest payout on 2 of them.

Customer serivce was top and cashout.

I can verify cashout is within 6 days ....for me anyhow. Also, minimum deposite is the lowest I have seen anyhow...£15 i think...

Just remember you have to confirm bets in live dealer. by this I mean, you place the chips and then have to click confirm bet or the bet is null. Can be a pain if you are used to the automatic bet placing.

Turner

Don't know they reading forums or something else, but yesterday I accidentally opened Joyland cassino to see in which status is my payout(4 days pending status) and I try open live tables another one time and see miracles,they back me in the game again.

I do not know how or why but I did not ask the service,just revoke my funds to account ant continue to play..

Hm strange,they to that quick,and they left me a big limits at he tables.

Hi guys,

May we have some casino name you are talking about please.

I dont mind to confirm bets, i allway use a clicker to bet so i will had 1 more click.

Thanks in advence.

nOrMy2o0o

link:s://:.affclub.com/brands.do (link:s://:.affclub.com/)

Thanks mate.  :thumbsup:

Quote from: Normy2000 on Dec 02, 05:46 PM 2012
Hi guys,

May we have some casino name you are talking about please.

I don't mind to confirm bets, i allway use a clicker to bet so i will had 1 more click.

Thanks in advence.

nOrMy2o0o

Normy...Swiss casino
link:://:.onlinecasinogalaxy.co.uk/uk-reviews/swiss-casino-scasino.html (link:://:.onlinecasinogalaxy.co.uk/uk-reviews/swiss-casino-scasino.html)

I am not personally recommending it...all i can say Ive been there 12 month without a hitch. I am most certainly up wager wise, so all I have ever done is take money off them. its not mega bucks because i am incredibly careful how I allot family money to my hobby.
Anyhow, this year it bought me a Skywatcher 8" Dobsonian telescope...sooooo
Turner

Thanks you too Turner,

Just join Swiss casino... and i saw my good old slingshot2!   ;D

Same platform, tracker and clicker work, but different owner!  :thumbsup: 

perfect, i'm back on the job  >:D

Cheers

there are couple more slingshots with 10 c bet. one is partycasino.com, another belgian casino777.be

there is no doubt william hill are legal crooks. They are even a publicly traded company and getting away with it all.

there are lots of playtech casinos out there, some of them (with 10 c minimum) were mentioned in this thread, others u can find through "casino owner list" thread by VLS created some time ago in "online playing" section

one day when i get time i am goin to send emails to WH casinos with links to the threads where people are telling about banning them. I think WH soon will realize they lose players like this.
they are not alone out there. Players will find other casinos.