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Common interest => Online gaming => Topic started by: Ralph on Jul 23, 10:14 AM 2012

Title: BV NoZero Roulette new rules???
Post by: Ralph on Jul 23, 10:14 AM 2012
I have sen that the NoZero roulette at BV has change rules. The 10% fee, which use to be taken on withdraw, are now taken eatch session. 10% of the winnings will be deducted each session. Which means, we should not quit on winnings, as if we later lose in the session, we can avois some fees.

I got a promt with this news starting the NoZero game.
Title: Re: BV NoZero Roulette new rules???
Post by: Twisteruk on Jul 23, 11:04 AM 2012
Quote from: Ralph on Jul 23, 10:14 AM 2012
I have sen that the NoZero roulette at BV has change rules. The 10% fee, which use to be taken on withdraw, are now taken eatch session. 10% of the winnings will be deducted each session. Which means, we should not quit on winnings, as if we later lose in the session, we can avois some fees.

I got a promt with this news starting the NoZero game.

So ure saying if we are winning we shud continue to play until we are losin so to avoid the 10% fee ?

Interesting....
Title: Re: BV NoZero Roulette new rules???
Post by: TwoCatSam on Jul 23, 11:18 AM 2012
Thanks, Mr. UK.......

I thought it was only me.

Sam
Title: Re: BV NoZero Roulette new rules???
Post by: Ralph on Jul 23, 11:40 AM 2012
Quote from: Twisteruk on Jul 23, 11:04 AM 2012

So your saying if we are winning we should continue to play until we are losing so to avoid the 10% fee ?

Interesting....

No, but if you close the game 100 up, it cost you 10, In case you continue and break even it will
not cost the fee. A simple risk management. If you win and close, you pay, even if it are lost back later, this is the new rules. You can have a game open 24 hours.
Title: Re: BV NoZero Roulette new rules???
Post by: xxlakis on Jul 23, 12:01 PM 2012
You didn't read the new rules very well.After an hour of inactivity every game will be closed.So unless you leave a bot betting blank bets...
Title: Re: BV NoZero Roulette new rules???
Post by: Twisteruk on Jul 23, 12:04 PM 2012
Quote from: xxlakis on Jul 23, 12:01 PM 2012
You didn't read the new rules very well.After an hour of inactivity every game will be closed.So unless you leave a bot betting blank bets...

Correct a mon do !
Title: Re: BV NoZero Roulette new rules???
Post by: VLS on Jul 23, 12:15 PM 2012
Quote from: xxlakis on Jul 23, 12:01 PM 2012
[...]unless you leave a bot betting blank bets...

Dang! A bot for betting blanks  :o
Title: Re: BV NoZero Roulette new rules???
Post by: maestro on Jul 23, 12:36 PM 2012
sio if connection problem happen and i quit the game and relog cost me 10 percent..
Title: Re: BV NoZero Roulette new rules???
Post by: maestro on Jul 23, 12:42 PM 2012
well i think is time to change casino place...
Title: Re: BV NoZero Roulette new rules???
Post by: Ralph on Jul 23, 12:44 PM 2012
Quote from: xxlakis on Jul 23, 12:01 PM 2012
You didn't read the new rules very well.After an hour of inactivity every game will be closed.So unless you leave a bot betting blank bets...

Yes it needs a bet an hour. I saw the prompt, it must be fineprint somwere on the site.
Title: Re: BV NoZero Roulette new rules???
Post by: Ralph on Jul 23, 12:46 PM 2012
Quote from: maestro on Jul 23, 12:36 PM 2012
sio if connection problem happen and i quit the game and relog cost me 10 percent..

I have already lost about 120 Euro, due to connection problem, everthing on the table is lost.
Title: Re: BV NoZero Roulette new rules???
Post by: Robeenhuut on Jul 23, 12:47 PM 2012
Quote from: Ralph on Jul 23, 12:44 PM 2012
Yes it needs a bet an hour. I saw the prompt, it must be fineprint somwere on the site.

Each online casino  will close you down after a period of inactivity.  Whats new? ;D
Title: Re: BV NoZero Roulette new rules???
Post by: maestro on Jul 23, 12:50 PM 2012
well was good rng casino won me 4300 euro but new rules i do not like...
Title: Re: BV NoZero Roulette new rules???
Post by: Ralph on Jul 23, 12:50 PM 2012
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jul 23, 12:47 PM 2012
Each online casino  will close you down after a period of inactivity.  what's new? ;D

They do, but here is new rules for winnings, which before were done at withdraw, now end of session. In other casinos it does not matter, I.e. Will not make any difference in what you pay.
Title: Re: BV NoZero Roulette new rules???
Post by: Ralph on Jul 24, 01:07 AM 2012
The new rules will make the HE floating, if we always win, it should not matter so much, but if we win for example 100, end the session we pay 10. If we lose 100 next no fee, but next time we are break even, its subject to 10% again.  I think we have to do some math here to see if No Zero is better than European which has 2.7 HE.
Title: Re: BV NoZero Roulette new rules???
Post by: Bayes on Jul 24, 04:04 AM 2012
It's certainly not good news for winners, but if you tend to lose or break even you're still better off playing no-zero.

The return is 90% on wins. However, assuming the same win rate and number of spins played, a standard wheel will return 97.3%. It doesn't matter what the actual numbers are, the result will be the same. But the rule only applies to roulette, there are other no house edge games you can play, like baccarat or craps.
Title: Re: BV NoZero Roulette new rules???
Post by: Ralph on Jul 24, 04:36 AM 2012
Yes but it is an other definition now. before it were 10% of the TOTAL winnings, now it is every high as you end the session, if you then lose it end the session, and  recover next time, your plus will be taxed not 10% but 20%, and in some cases even more.

10% on total winning are better then a zerowheel HE, but in some cases now, I am not sure.
Title: Re: BV NoZero Roulette new rules???
Post by: Robeenhuut on Nov 27, 12:42 AM 2012
They changed in randomness control on BV a number of spins from 60 to 36. Any significance of that?
Title: Re: BV NoZero Roulette new rules???
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 27, 12:52 AM 2012
Must be.  Otherwise, why change?

To me, it means robots are winning!
Title: Re: BV NoZero Roulette new rules???
Post by: Ralph on Nov 27, 02:55 AM 2012
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 27, 12:52 AM 2012
Must be.  Otherwise, why change?

To me, it means robots are winning!

Robots never get tired, and never then do misstakes while betting.
(Sometimes my misstakes pays).

Running a 2000 spins session manually kills the fingers and the input device.
Title: Re: BV NoZero Roulette new rules???
Post by: superman on Nov 27, 04:31 AM 2012
QuoteThey changed in randomness control on BV a number of spins from 60 to 36. Any significance of that?

LOOOOL it was probably me, I have been gathering sets of 60 spins from them for about a week now to see if anything either always appears or hardly ever appears within the 60 spins, was thinking of finding something that may work over the 60 spin chunks, oh well, will do it on 36 spins and see if they change that too LOL
Title: Re: BV NoZero Roulette new rules???
Post by: Robeenhuut on Nov 27, 10:25 PM 2012
Quote from: superman on Nov 27, 04:31 AM 2012

LOOOOL it was probably me, I have been gathering sets of 60 spins from them for about a week now to see if anything either always appears or hardly ever appears within the 60 spins, was thinking of finding something that may work over the 60 spin chunks, oh well, will do it on 36 spins and see if they change that too LoL

This may be a sound explanation. Some guys playing PB on other forum got their asses kicked on BV and think that there is something fishy going on.  ;D
Title: Re: BV NoZero Roulette new rules???
Post by: Robeenhuut on Nov 28, 12:44 AM 2012
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 27, 10:25 PM 2012
This may be a sound explanation. Some guys playing PB on other forum got their asses kicked on BV and think that there is something fishy going on.  ;D

Sorry

I got it wrong. I confused shift button that is used to correct the number that hits with the length of the series of spins button. The range is still up to 60.  ;D