Hi,
Nothing really new here, its just a adaptation of the very good job done by some of the guys here with pattern breaker, code 4, etc... JL, AMK, Atlantis and others.
I like ECs because of the zero rule. I always play on french roulette.
Rules :
I'm waiting for 12 spins.
High or Low.
For exemple :
HHLHLH
LHLHLL
Then i bet than first pattern will not happen again.
I use this progression : 1 2 4 6 11 20
Win + 1 on each of the first 3 hits.
If no win, will lose -1, -2 or -4 if hit happens at the last stage.
-44 units if 6 losts happened.
Why this prog ? Cause most of the Winning hits are coming within 3 spins.
Normal Marty Will be 1 2 4 8 16 32 and will cost 63 units in case of failing.
Its too much for me :-)
My prog cost "only" 44 units.
And if winning hits come in the last 3 spins, meaning i lost -1 or -2 or -4 i think its not a pain and its quite easy to recover.
I think some of you guys will think its not the best solution (marty), of course, i Will be happy to read your thougts.
Looks really good after my first tests.
Playing hit and run ONLY : so its a (up to) 24 spins game and then run away :-)
Winning target is +4, so it means 2 x 24 spins sessions per day.
Example :
23 H
4 L
19 H
18 L
27 H
22 H
35 H
1 L
9 L
22 H
24 H
6 L
9 L Here, i have to bet for a L, its a win : + 1
21 H
36 H
14 L
3 L
29 H
Now, i bet vs the second pattern :
23 H here i bet for a L, its a lost.
31 H here i bet for a H, its a win : + 1
=> +2, end of the first run => this time, it was a 20 spins game.
Later in the day, i will attack a second time ;-) to get 2 more units, in order to
reach my +4 daily target win.
Any constructive ideas are welcome, thanks you :-)
Hope my English was good enough !
Jordan69
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Well i like that you want to use a smooth progression - that is a good sign.
But playing with or against patterns you will be better of betting random against random.
Why do i say that when all patterns has the same probability.
Well if you play random against random your bet selection change randomly and it become more lotto.
A random element that can allow you stay longer into play then using a regular pattern.
The hit ratio or strike ratio is the same as any other bet selection - but it feels much better to play random against random.
Quote from: ego on Jul 30, 11:05 AM 2012
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Well i like that you want to use a smooth progression - that is a good sign.
But playing with or against patterns you will be better of betting random against random.
Why do i say that when all patterns has the same probability.
Well if you play random against random your bet selection change randomly and it become more lotto.
A random element that can allow you stay longer into play then using a regular pattern.
The hit ratio or strike ratio is the same as any other bet selection - but it feels much better to play random against random.
Pattern or no pattern does not make any difference and a progression when you lose at later steps and you risk less units only makes you lose less when you lose whole progression but you make less profit while winning at later stages. Of course if you lose a first game ever played then you lose less :D
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It does not matter wish pattern to play - they all lose and better not to play.
But if he has to play for fun then he would be better of doing what i am telling him to do.
And for you i am your Guru - so feel to ask question if you need any help.
Quote from: ego on Jul 30, 11:58 AM 2012
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It does not matter wish pattern to play - they all lose and better not to play.
But if he has to play for fun then he would be better of doing what i am telling him to do.
And for you i am your Guru - so feel to ask question if you need any help.
Hehe Guru for me its only in mickey mouse religion and im an atheist anyway ;D
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Well i am just kidding with you :xd: but there is no way to beat roulette using systems.
I can see no one posting a complete playing model.
You just see selections with progressions and nothing more.
I agree there is no way to beat the roulette.
This systeme has no other pretention than Winning a few units each time
you go to the casino.
And i think its quite easy to do with it. Moreover, im not greedy...
Of course if u go each day, u will find the wall, im not a dreamer :-)
I can see no one posting a complete playing model.
Couse you don't read anything/as you believe nothing works/except E/C stuff.
Am I right LS.Presently there is a method actual that it pass 700000 spins test,
that is what this tester informed me about.Maybe you get across it.
Its always a likehood something will not work our way, think that should exclude game is ridiculous.
What ever you do, you take a risk. Nobody can beat roulette for ever, as life ends before if not anything else set the limit. It is a match every time, and it is well possible you can be the winner.
Every day a lot of people win a lot of money, and the same is people lose. The truth is many lose quite moderate sums, as they do not have very much money to lose in the first place, a few are addicted and may spoil much, as it is in many other things we can do.
The HE or the casino gross profits are payed buy the players money, but it is as everything else, the share are not equal distributed. All can not win, but all have the right to try, on theire own way, the game needs both losers and winners, and a share to the casinos.
Buy the way, GURU you never use yourself if being, its what people if they find it appropriate use about you, if being, I have only one source of you being a guru, yourself. Your avatar name speaks as well.
Quote from: ego on Jul 30, 11:58 AM 2012
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It does not matter wish pattern to play - they all lose and better not to play.
But if he has to play for fun then he would be better of doing what i am telling him to do.
And for you i am your Guru - so feel to ask question if you need any help.
I can see no one posting a complete playing model.
There are a few good systems about but nobody is selling his chicken who is laying the golden ege.
For me it took many years to create one and I got the most help from articals written by F_LAT_INO.
One of his golden rules are....follow the wheel , don't go against it.
Greetings
John Rotterdam
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Well it is a good sign if some one has post a complete playing model - it is rare.
A complete playing model does not show one selection with one progression that goes all in - wish is very sloppy and common.
A complete playing model show results for several weeks with results testing.
It does not matter that we know it will fail or tank.
The main point is if you can succeed to winning to build your bankroll and accept losses.
Is rare to see some one who present ROI = Return of investment.
Is rare to see some one explain a good way to manage bankroll.
Assume if ROI is 110% overall some one could claim having a hit ratio or strike ratio around 10% overall - wish helps allot to understand the strength behind a playing model.
Bankroll management is crucial to stay in the game during long periods.
As we has to expect loses during long periods of playing the game.
Pepole have to learn that you can not play with one huge bankroll with 1% return.
All in or lose it all due to a bad session.
Progressions and flat betting is the same thing and does selections that has to use a progression with out to succeed flat betting is a bad bet selection.
A bankroll that has to go all in to gain only 1 to 2 % overall is a bad money management plan.
Hit ratio and strike ratio determine how you can divide your bankroll and come out overall in the long run.
Divide the game into smaller games - its the only way - my opinion.
Here is one example how to apply a bankroll using with a good playing model.
Lets assume you have 1600 and you divide it into 4.
Then you get 400, 400, 400, 400.
That means you can lose four games, before losing it all.
Now you play with 400 with staking plan to gain 800.
If you succeed having a ROI of 110% then you add 400 to 1600 and get 2000 overall.
Now you divide 2000 into 4 and get 500, 500, 500, 500.
Then you start one game with 500 to gain 1000 and if you succeed you add 500 to 2000.
Now you would have 2500 and divide it into 4 and get 625, 625, 625, 625.
During this growth you can increase your staking plan using a capitalazion plan where you increase the bet size overall which should not be an issue as you have ROI 110% overall.
Wish means you hit your target faster.
Here is a good capitilazion plan strategy wish should be par of any existing playing modell.
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9257.0 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9257.0)
That is a good MM you presented. But what can we use that allows for, lets say, at least in average, 50% of sessions won with 110% ROI?
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Well i think that many gamblers should turnaround and do things from a new angel.
Lets assume we first build up a money management model.
That means how you handle your bankroll as i wrote above and it also means that you have capitalizing plan first.
Then you can start to think about bet selection and staking plan as you know your spreed of freedom to succeed.
That way you avoid the common misstakes using one bet selection and one progression and go all in to win 1% overall.
Using ROI is to give a hint what expectation you have overall, advantage/edge.
Quote from: jordan69 on Jul 30, 01:34 PM 2012
I agree there is no way to beat the roulette.
This systeme has no other pretention than Winning a few units each time
you go to the casino.
Jordan
Consider your statements. Is there no way to beat the roulette or do you win a few units each time you go to the casino? The statements conflict.
Is there absolutely, positively no way to beat the game of roulette? Or can you chip away at it in small increments?
Folks, if we're truly trying to make water run uphill, we might as well quit.
And every swingin' dick on the planet who says **I make a small yearly profit from roulette** is just another liar with a fish story!
As much as I dislike his condescending attitude, I think JL is a winning player. Is he the only one?
Guess I needed to vent!
Sorry!
Samster
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 01, 09:37 AM 2012
I think JL is a winning player. Is he the only one?
NO
NO
If I do not do anything insane, he is not alone.
I know people making well on game.
In fact a lot of people wins every day.
Beat the wheel is not possible forever, but long time enough to make good money.
Every game has winners and losers.
Thank you F and B!
We all need to know we're not trying to invent perpetual motion.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 01, 09:37 AM 2012
Jordan
Consider your statements. Is there no way to beat the roulette or do you win a few units each time you go to the casino? The statements conflict.
Is there absolutely, positively no way to beat the game of roulette? Or can you chip away at it in small increments?
Folks, if we're truly trying to make water run uphill, we might as well quit.
And every swingin' dick on the planet who says **I make a small yearly profit from roulette** is just another liar with a fish story!
As much as I dislike his condescending attitude, I think JL is a winning player. Is he the only one?
Guess I needed to vent!
Sorry!
Samster
Sam,
I Will try to explain my position. Its easy to understand i guess.
For me, its totally clear. With this system, i can go to the casino and win a few units (for example : 4 , as i wrote in my first post) without too many problem. I already did it several times of course...
I'll win for example 15 days in a row... But the day #16 i will lose the 6 stages progression ! (44 units) so we have to be honest, i will not call this "a system to beat the roulette", as this 44 units failure will Destroy almost all the hard work done before !
Of course i beat the roulette when i'm ahead of 4 units of 100 euros :-)
But that's not possible to do it on a constant basis (you can lose 44 units two time in a week, easy to see that if you do serious tests...) and only this constant basis must be called "a way to beat the roulette". That's my point of view.
About this ECs pattern system, i also made hundred and hundred of tests (with bad hombourg permanences for example) and i Know what i can get with it.
Jordan69
Ah, then you're saying "win, win, win, win, lose it all and then some"!
That is not winning.
Winning is " win, win, break even, lose a little, win"
I wish I could do it!!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 01, 02:55 PM 2012
Ah, then you're saying "win, win, win, win, lose it all and then some"!
That is not winning.
Winning is " win, win, break even, lose a little, win"
I wish I could do it!!
Sam
Yes its not winning.
I dont think i said that...
I said its quite easy to win a Few units most of the Time with this system, nothing more.
I perfectly Know That the problem with this kind of system is the progression, we can not avoid
To lose the entire progression one day and it kills you.
Me too i wish i Could do it !
So that's why i said no way to beat the roulette for me, i mean on a constant basis, without big holes.
Logic isnt it ?
:-)
but some Guys here have maybe proved they can... Congratulations to them :-)
Jordan
Perhaps they will share with us. Baby Twister?
We'll see.....
Sam
Sam,
I share your wish :)
Greetings from Poland.
Quote from: jordan69 on Aug 01, 04:49 PM 2012
Sam,
I share your wish :)
Greetings from Poland.
Pozdrowienia od rodaka. :D
Quote from: jordan69 on Aug 01, 04:49 PM 2012
Sam,
I share your wish :)
Greetings from Poland.