This is not exactly a flat bet system - but thought it might be of interest. I have used this mechanical system with some success in REAL casino simply betting the Red/Black EC. It also seems to perform well over 100 spin sessions.
Please note this DOES use a progression of 0.5 unit after each 2 consecutive losses...
To begin session: Wait for a single formation of a color to appear eg: RRRB or BBR
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STAGE A
'========
Bet the opposite color to the last spun result.
If WIN and level or ahead of current highest profit then restart from stage A at 1 unit stakes.
If WIN and still less than current highest profit (behind) then restart from stage A at SAME current stake level.
If LOSE go to stage B.
'=========
STAGE B
'=========
Bet the SAME color as last time ONE more time. (eg if you bet RED last time; bet RED again)
If WIN at stage B and now level or ahead of current highest profit then reduce stake to 1 unit and go back to Stage A.
If WIN at stage B but still behind current highest profit figure then keep to same stake level and go back to Stage A.
If LOSE at stage B that means you have lost twice in succession. WAIT for color sequence to end first and increase current stake by +0.5 units and resume betting at stage A at that stake level.
Recommended aim = +5 units.
A.
Result for 23 Aug 2010 Spielbank Casino table 8
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,10,No,0,0,0,0,500, Black occurs so bet RED
2,7,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Red
3,27,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : Black
4,17,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Black
5,17,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : Red
6,24,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499,1 : Red
7,4,No,0,0,0,0,499,
8,29,No,0,0,0,0,499,
9,15,No,0,0,0,0,499,
10,2,No,0,0,0,0,499,
11,31,No,0,0,0,0,499,
12,10,No,0,0,0,0,499,
13,5,No,0,0,0,0,499,
14,13,Bet,1.5,3,-1.5,1.5,500.5,1.5 : Black
15,30,Bet,1.5,3,-1.5,1.5,502,1.5 : Red
16,25,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Black
17,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : Black
18,36,No,0,0,0,0,500,
19,16,No,0,0,0,0,500,
20,6,No,0,0,0,0,500,
21,35,Bet,1.5,0,-1.5,-1.5,498.5,1.5 : Red
22,33,Bet,1.5,0,-1.5,-1.5,497,1.5 : Red
23,9,No,0,0,0,0,497,
24,7,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,495,2 : Black
25,22,Bet,2,4,-2,2,497,2 : Black
26,33,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,495,2 : Red
27,0,Bet,2,0,-1,-1,494,2 : Red
28,4,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,492,2 : Red
29,35,No,0,0,0,0,492,
30,0,No,0,0,0,0,492,
31,10,No,0,0,0,0,492,
32,20,No,0,0,0,0,492,
33,11,No,0,0,0,0,492,
34,10,No,0,0,0,0,492,
35,11,No,0,0,0,0,492,
36,30,No,0,0,0,0,492,
37,5,Bet,2.5,0,-2.5,-2.5,489.5,2.5 : Black
38,36,Bet,2.5,0,-2.5,-2.5,487,2.5 : Black
39,32,No,0,0,0,0,487,
40,22,No,0,0,0,0,487,
41,22,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,484,3 : Red
42,7,Bet,3,6,-3,3,487,3 : Red
43,24,Bet,3,6,-3,3,490,3 : Black
44,1,Bet,3,6,-3,3,493,3 : Red
45,4,Bet,3,6,-3,3,496,3 : Black
46,36,Bet,3,6,-3,3,499,3 : Red
47,31,Bet,3,6,-3,3,502,3 : Black
48,16,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Red
49,30,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504,1 : Red
50,36,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503,1 : Black
51,7,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : Black
52,0,No,0,0,0,0,502,
53,22,No,0,0,0,0,502,
54,5,Bet,1.5,3,-1.5,1.5,503.5,1.5 : Red
55,28,Bet,1.5,3,-1.5,1.5,505,1.5 : Black
[/table]
+5 in 55 spins.
If a ZERO occurs during betting I accept the loss and repeat my bet for next spin as you can see in above session.
For this reason best to use single 0 with le partage rule.
A.
For stop/win I would suggest +5
For stop/loss I would suggest -54
Losses
=====
2 x 1
2 x 1.5
2 x 2
2 x 2.5
2 x 3
2 x 3.5
2 x 4
2 x 4.5
2 x 5
Do not go higher than 5 units.
Max -54 total risk/loss.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Aug 24, 12:17 PM 2010
For stop/win I would suggest +5
For stop/loss I would suggest -54
Losses
=====
2 x 1
2 x 1.5
2 x 2
2 x 2.5
2 x 3
2 x 3.5
2 x 4
2 x 4.5
2 x 5
Do not go higher than 5 units.
Max -54 total risk/loss.
A.
I guess if we can't bet half units, we would have to use a progression starting with 2. That is: 2-3-4-5-6-7-8 etc... Should probably aim for +10 target and -108 stop/loss? What do you think?
G
Hi GLC,
Your idea seems good and logical to me if not playing with 0.5 increments. That would be another way to go . :)
Thanks George,
A.
Here is table 9 at Spielbank Wiesbaden on the same day using GLC's suggested equivalent staking pattern with whole units commencing at 2 units:
[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,7,No,0,0,0,0,500,
2,5,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,2 : Black
3,18,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,2 : Black
4,31,No,0,0,0,0,496,
5,14,Bet,3,6,-3,3,499,3 : Red
6,34,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,496,3 : Black
7,12,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,493,3 : Black
8,29,No,0,0,0,0,493,
9,18,Bet,4,8,-4,4,497,4 : Red
10,0,Bet,4,0,-2,-2,495,4 : Black
11,7,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,491,4 : Black
12,15,Bet,4,8,-4,4,495,4 : Black
13,28,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,491,4 : Red
14,16,Bet,4,8,-4,4,495,4 : Red
15,29,Bet,4,8,-4,4,499,4 : Black
16,13,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,495,4 : Red
17,8,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,491,4 : Red
18,15,No,0,0,0,0,491,
19,20,No,0,0,0,0,491,
20,12,No,0,0,0,0,491,
21,8,Bet,5,10,-5,5,496,5 : Black
22,10,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,491,5 : Red
23,3,Bet,5,10,-5,5,496,5 : Red
24,14,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,491,5 : Black
25,20,Bet,5,10,-5,5,496,5 : Black
26,16,Bet,5,10,-5,5,501,5 : Red
27,0,Bet,2,0,-1,-1,500,2 : Black
28,4,Bet,2,4,-2,2,502,2 : Black
29,30,Bet,2,4,-2,2,504,2 : Red
30,12,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,502,2 : Black
31,3,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,500,2 : Black
32,7,No,0,0,0,0,500,
33,23,No,0,0,0,0,500,
34,27,No,0,0,0,0,500,
35,35,No,0,0,0,0,500,
36,30,Bet,3,6,-3,3,503,3 : Red
37,36,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,500,3 : Black
38,7,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,497,3 : Black
39,19,No,0,0,0,0,497,
40,18,No,0,0,0,0,497,
41,27,No,0,0,0,0,497,
42,16,No,0,0,0,0,497,
43,35,No,0,0,0,0,497,
44,20,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,493,4 : Red
45,27,Bet,4,8,-4,4,497,4 : Red
46,31,Bet,4,8,-4,4,501,4 : Black
47,32,Bet,4,8,-4,4,505,4 : Red
48,35,Bet,2,4,-2,2,507,2 : Black
49,9,Bet,2,4,-2,2,509,2 : Red
50,34,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,507,2 : Black
51,3,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,505,2 : Black
52,18,No,0,0,0,0,505,
53,1,No,0,0,0,0,505,
54,29,No,0,0,0,0,505,
55,2,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,502,3 : Red
56,6,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,499,3 : Red
57,29,No,0,0,0,0,499,
58,13,No,0,0,0,0,499,
59,20,No,0,0,0,0,499,
60,1,No,0,0,0,0,499,
61,0,Bet,4,0,-2,-2,497,4 : Black
62,8,Bet,4,8,-4,4,501,4 : Black
63,0,Bet,4,0,-2,-2,499,4 : Red
64,3,Bet,4,8,-4,4,503,4 : Red
65,18,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,499,4 : Black
66,0,Bet,4,0,-2,-2,497,4 : Black
67,35,Bet,4,8,-4,4,501,4 : Black
68,18,Bet,4,8,-4,4,505,4 : Red
69,33,Bet,4,8,-4,4,509,4 : Black
70,13,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,505,4 : Red
71,8,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,501,4 : Red
72,19,No,0,0,0,0,501,
73,36,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,496,5 : Black
74,23,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,491,5 : Black
75,10,No,0,0,0,0,491,
76,19,Bet,6,12,-6,6,497,6 : Red
77,11,Bet,6,12,-6,6,503,6 : Black
78,19,Bet,6,12,-6,6,509,6 : Red
79,19,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,507,2 : Black
80,29,Bet,2,4,-2,2,509,2 : Black
81,4,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,507,2 : Red
82,13,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,505,2 : Red
83,8,No,0,0,0,0,505,
84,25,No,0,0,0,0,505,
85,34,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,502,3 : Black
86,30,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,499,3 : Black
87,15,No,0,0,0,0,499,
88,35,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,495,4 : Red
89,32,Bet,4,8,-4,4,499,4 : Red
90,20,Bet,4,8,-4,4,503,4 : Black
91,6,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,499,4 : Red
92,36,Bet,4,8,-4,4,503,4 : Red
93,4,Bet,4,8,-4,4,507,4 : Black
94,14,Bet,4,8,-4,4,511,4 : Red
[/table]
+11 in 94 spins
Highest Bet=6
A.
Original and very interesting idea.
Will test this on 3000 spins/past live spins/
and will report back when finish,which will take some time
as doing all manual.
Hi F_LAT_INO,
Good Luck with your extensive test.
These are the first 30 table results downloaded from Casino Spielbank, Wiesbaden for the month of March 2010. I played until +10 profit reached or 2 consecutive losses at stake level of 10 units - according to present above rules and using GLC stakes.
[table=,]
+/- ,Spins ,D/Down ,Highest,
+10,29,7,4,
+10,19,4,3
+10,6,0,2,
+11,52,7,3,
+10,13,4,3,
+13,94,30,9,
+11.5,28,10.5,4,
+11,23,7,2
+10,6,0,2,
+11,25,14,5,
+10,16,4,3,
-78,56,78,10,
+10,31,7,3,
+11,32,11,4,
+11,10,2,2,
+11,54,35,10,
+10,11,4,3,
-36,71,40,10,
+11,55,28,8
+10,56,27,6,
+10,6,0,2,
+10,12,2,2,
+10,56,10,5
+10,14,7,3,
+10,8,2,2,
-75.5,57,78.5,10,
+11,22,2,2,
+10,48,10,4,
+10,46,15,5,
+10,25,18,5
[/table]
There were 27 winning games and 3 losing games.
A.
A,
Nice system. I just tried a quick session. Sorry, but I don't have the time or knowledge to post a spin by spin example like you do.
My results were +15 units after only 41 spins.
Highest bet was 4 units.
Never went below zero.
Pretty easy to play. No pencil and paper necessary to keep track. Just remember your previous high and your last bet and that's all you need.
Hope this holds up.
As some of our friends say, "Good on ya, Mate."
G
A.
I'm a martingale nut and I always like to see how a system performs with a limited martingale. The betting system you suggest is fine and very safe. I'm having excellent results with your bet selection method.
I had a feeling that this system would perform quite well using a limited martingale as suggested in the Filiberte system published in the Monte Carlo Anecdotes. He suggests a 1-2-4 limited marty and if this loses go to a 1-3-6 marty to recover the 7 lost units. If the 1-3-6 loses, go to 2-4-8 if this loses go to 3-6-12, until you finally recover to a new high balance.
I increased the 3 step marty to a 5 step marty. My progression is 1-2-4-8-16 then recover with 1-3-7-13-15. If lose 2-4-8-16-32 then recover with 3-7-13-25-50. If lose even this go to 4-8-16-32-64 and if the gods hate your stinking guts and you happen to run into the streak from helllllllll recover with 7-13-25-50-100. (The airball roulette table I have access to will only let you spread bets from 1-100, thus the 100 unit limit)
With such a good bet selection process, this shouldn't happen in our lifetime. But if it does, it will set you back 559 units. In the mean time I'm hoping some brave soul who has tested this betting method extensively and is thoroughly convinced that it's the "you-know-what" will be so far ahead that the measley 559 units will be just a drop in the bucket.
All right, back to earth.
I did play a short session with this betting method to +25 units.
It took 112 spins, but there were a lot of long runs to sit out.
I lost the 1-2-4-8-16 marty 1 time but recovered it easily with the 1-3-7-13-25 marty.
I had to bet 16 twice. Lost once and won once.
I don't really expect most of us to be willing to risk 559 units on this system, although you could stick with Filiberte's 1-2-4 and 1-3-6 etc... and it would be a lot less volatile. But if you had 559 units you wanted to invest, I've seen much worse systems to take a shot on.
Just throwing out a little different way to play this. New ideas could spark even newer ideas.
Note: I only changed the betting method not the bet selection method and I played the single zero European table at betvoyager.
Regards,
George
Played 1 more session before calling it a day.
94 spins
+23 units (lost connection to betvoyager before reaching +25)
Lost 1st progression once and recovered it easily.
Did have to bet a 25 unit bet on the 1-3-7-13-25 progression. It hit so whoopeeee.
LOL,
G
Hi GLC,
Thanks for your ideas and your findings. I am not a big fan of marty - but if it works well with this for you then Good Luck. Yes. Bes to keep with single 0 and "le partage" if possible. (it helps with this method)
I just now thought that keeping same selection method outlined but using "best of five" safer progression might be the answer here...?
I will try it and post an example.
Still, the current results are very encouraging LoL :)
Atlantis.
A.
Here's a quick analysis for your 30 games listed above.
+84 units in 981 spins. 11.67 spins to win 1 unit.
Note: Since you ended with +41 units won after your last loss, you were probably due for another loss soon which would reduce the 41 units won down by about 20 units based on the pattern. That would reduce your 84 units to 64-74 units.
But, at 60 spins/hr. (a pretty rapid roulette game) with $5 units won per 11+ spins = about $25/hr. May be closer to $20/hr. after the next loss.
78.5 units @ $5/units = $392.50 draw-down.
10 units @ $5/units = max bet of $50
What do you think?
G.
For those of you who might like limited martys, here's a brief post of my last session. This is using the multiple limited marty's described above.
138 spins to reach +25 units.
I lost the first two progressions, 1-2-4-8-16 and 1-3-7-13-25 but recovered everything with the 2-4-8-16-32 progression.
Largest draw-down -43 units.
Largest bet was 32 units.
Bet 32units 3 times and was lucky enough to win all three. A loss would have put me deeper in the hole and I would have had to go to the 3-7-13-25-50 progression to recover.
Definitely more risk with this method but also more reward. The only way to know if you can stay ahead of a big loss is test, test, test.
G.
Hi GLC,
Thanks for the update. I have not tried it that way yet. But anyway see this:
This real numbers session from Spielbank, Wiesbaden uses "best of five" progression.
To start play the first FIVE bets at ONE unit.
After 5 bets if level or reached a new high then reduce stake to 1 unit (unless already at 1 unit)
After 5 bets if behind current highest total (total after 5 bets that is) then increase by 1 unit.
If AT ANY TIME when playing the 5-bet cycle the profit goes to level or ahead of your current highest 5-bet total - then immediately reduce stake to 1 unit and play out the the rest of the 5 spin cycle at 1 unit...
[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,17,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Black
3,27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Red
4,3,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Black
5,26,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Black
6,8,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Red +1 so stay at 1
7,21,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Red
8,0,Bet,1,0,-0.5,-0.5,501.5,1 : Black
9,24,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502.5,1 : Black
10,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501.5,1 : Red
11,22,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500.5,1 : Red +0.5 so increase to 2
12,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
13,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
14,26,Bet,2,4,-2,2,502.5,2 : Black +2.5 so reduce to 1
15,24,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501.5,1 : Red
16,14,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502.5,1 : Red
17,27,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501.5,1 : Black
18,7,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500.5,1 : Black +0.5 so increase to 2
19,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
20,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
21,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
22,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
23,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
24,30,Bet,2,4,-2,2,502.5,2 : Red +2.5 so reduce to 1
25,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501.5,1 : Black
26,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500.5,1 : Black
27,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
28,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499.5,1 : Red
29,30,Bet,1,2,-1,1,500.5,1 : Red +0.5 so increase to 2
30,28,Bet,2,4,-2,2,502.5,2 : Black +2.5 so reduce to 1
31,26,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501.5,1 : Red
32,14,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502.5,1 : Red
33,9,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501.5,1 : Black
34,36,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500.5,1 : Black +0.5 so increase to 2
35,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
36,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
37,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
38,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
39,9,Bet,2,4,-2,2,502.5,2 : Red +2.5 so reduce to 1
40,10,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503.5,1 : Black
41,21,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504.5,1 : Red
42,16,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503.5,1 : Black
43,20,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504.5,1 : Black +4.5 so stay at 1
44,12,Bet,1,2,-1,1,505.5,1 : Red
45,26,Bet,1,2,-1,1,506.5,1 : Black
46,32,Bet,1,2,-1,1,507.5,1 : Red
47,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506.5,1 : Black
48,18,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,505.5,1 : Black +5.5 so stay at 1
49,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505.5,
50,23,Bet,1,2,-1,1,506.5,1 : Red
51,23,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,505.5,1 : Black
52,9,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,504.5,1 : Black
53,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
54,5,Bet,1,2,-1,1,505.5,1 : Red
55,21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,504.5,1 : Black +4.5 so increase to 2
56,3,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,502.5,2 : Black
57,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
58,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
59,19,Bet,2,4,-2,2,504.5,2 : Red
60,24,Bet,2,4,-2,2,506.5,2 : Black +6.5 so reduce to 1
61,0,Bet,1,0,-0.5,-0.5,506,1 : Red
62,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,505,1 : Red +5 so increase to 2
63,32,Bet,2,4,-2,2,507,2 : Red +7 so reduce to 1
64,10,Bet,1,2,-1,1,508,1 : Black
65,9,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509,1 : Red
66,9,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : Black
67,27,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,507,1 : Black +7 so stay at 1
68,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
69,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
70,31,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506,1 : Red
71,23,Bet,1,2,-1,1,507,1 : Red
72,24,Bet,1,2,-1,1,508,1 : Black
73,12,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509,1 : Red
74,7,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : Black +8 so stay at 1
75,19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,507,1 : Black
76,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
77,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506,1 : Red
78,12,Bet,1,2,-1,1,507,1 : Red
79,11,Bet,1,2,-1,1,508,1 : Black
80,21,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509,1 : Red +9 so stay at 1
81,0,Bet,1,0,-0.5,-0.5,508.5,1 : Black
82,4,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509.5,1 : Black
83,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508.5,1 : Red
84,34,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509.5,1 : Red
85,9,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508.5,1 : Black +8.5 so increase to 2
86,31,Bet,2,4,-2,2,510.5,2 : Black +10 so reduce to 1
87,14,Bet,1,2,-1,1,511.5,1 : Red
88,8,Bet,1,2,-1,1,512.5,1 : Black
89,27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,513.5,1 : Red
90,9,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,512.5,1 : Black +12.5 so stay at 1
91,7,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,511.5,1 : Black
92,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,511.5,
93,17,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,510.5,1 : Red
94,18,Bet,1,2,-1,1,511.5,1 : Red
95,22,Bet,1,2,-1,1,512.5,1 : Black
96,33,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,511.5,1 : Red +11.5 so increase to 2
97,15,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,509.5,2 : Red
98,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509.5,
99,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509.5,
100,26,Bet,2,4,-2,2,511.5,2 : Black
[/table]
END OF SESSION AT 100 SPINS (on spin 2 of cycle of 5)
100 spins.
+11.5 units
Highest bet=2
lowest bankroll = 499.5/500
Obviously there will be sessions with higher stake levels but maybe the bet selection + the "best of 5" can cope with that and outstay a difficult and protracted period?
Atlantis.
A.
Not a bad looking session.
I guess it doesn't matter how many spins it takes to pull ahead, if you can keep you bets as low as possible and still win then by increasing the size of your units, you make it very profitable.
G.
Quote from: atlantis on Aug 30, 12:14 PM 2010
Hi GLC,
Thanks for the update. I have not tried it that way yet. But anyway see this:
This real numbers session from Spielbank, Wiesbaden uses "best of five" progression.
To start play the first FIVE bets at ONE unit.
After 5 bets if level or reached a new high then reduce stake to 1 unit (unless already at 1 unit)
After 5 bets if behind current highest total (total after 5 bets that is) then increase by 1 unit.
If AT ANY TIME when playing the 5-bet cycle the profit goes to level or ahead of your current highest 5-bet total - then immediately reduce stake to 1 unit and play out the the rest of the 5 spin cycle at 1 unit...
[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,17,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Black
3,27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Red
4,3,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Black
5,26,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Black
6,8,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Red +1 so stay at 1
7,21,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Red
8,0,Bet,1,0,-0.5,-0.5,501.5,1 : Black
9,24,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502.5,1 : Black
10,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501.5,1 : Red
11,22,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500.5,1 : Red +0.5 so increase to 2
12,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
13,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
14,26,Bet,2,4,-2,2,502.5,2 : Black +2.5 so reduce to 1
15,24,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501.5,1 : Red
16,14,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502.5,1 : Red
17,27,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501.5,1 : Black
18,7,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500.5,1 : Black +0.5 so increase to 2
19,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
20,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
21,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
22,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
23,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
24,30,Bet,2,4,-2,2,502.5,2 : Red +2.5 so reduce to 1
25,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501.5,1 : Black
26,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500.5,1 : Black
27,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
28,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499.5,1 : Red
29,30,Bet,1,2,-1,1,500.5,1 : Red +0.5 so increase to 2
30,28,Bet,2,4,-2,2,502.5,2 : Black +2.5 so reduce to 1
31,26,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501.5,1 : Red
32,14,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502.5,1 : Red
33,9,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501.5,1 : Black
34,36,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500.5,1 : Black +0.5 so increase to 2
35,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
36,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
37,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
38,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
39,9,Bet,2,4,-2,2,502.5,2 : Red +2.5 so reduce to 1
40,10,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503.5,1 : Black
41,21,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504.5,1 : Red
42,16,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503.5,1 : Black
43,20,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504.5,1 : Black +4.5 so stay at 1
44,12,Bet,1,2,-1,1,505.5,1 : Red
45,26,Bet,1,2,-1,1,506.5,1 : Black
46,32,Bet,1,2,-1,1,507.5,1 : Red
47,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506.5,1 : Black
48,18,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,505.5,1 : Black +5.5 so stay at 1
49,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505.5,
50,23,Bet,1,2,-1,1,506.5,1 : Red
51,23,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,505.5,1 : Black
52,9,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,504.5,1 : Black
53,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
54,5,Bet,1,2,-1,1,505.5,1 : Red
55,21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,504.5,1 : Black +4.5 so increase to 2
56,3,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,502.5,2 : Black
57,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
58,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
59,19,Bet,2,4,-2,2,504.5,2 : Red
60,24,Bet,2,4,-2,2,506.5,2 : Black +6.5 so reduce to 1
61,0,Bet,1,0,-0.5,-0.5,506,1 : Red
62,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,505,1 : Red +5 so increase to 2
63,32,Bet,2,4,-2,2,507,2 : Red +7 so reduce to 1
64,10,Bet,1,2,-1,1,508,1 : Black
65,9,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509,1 : Red
66,9,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : Black
67,27,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,507,1 : Black +7 so stay at 1
68,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
69,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
70,31,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506,1 : Red
71,23,Bet,1,2,-1,1,507,1 : Red
72,24,Bet,1,2,-1,1,508,1 : Black
73,12,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509,1 : Red
74,7,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : Black +8 so stay at 1
75,19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,507,1 : Black
76,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
77,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506,1 : Red
78,12,Bet,1,2,-1,1,507,1 : Red
79,11,Bet,1,2,-1,1,508,1 : Black
80,21,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509,1 : Red +9 so stay at 1
81,0,Bet,1,0,-0.5,-0.5,508.5,1 : Black
82,4,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509.5,1 : Black
83,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508.5,1 : Red
84,34,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509.5,1 : Red
85,9,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508.5,1 : Black +8.5 so increase to 2
86,31,Bet,2,4,-2,2,510.5,2 : Black +10 so reduce to 1
87,14,Bet,1,2,-1,1,511.5,1 : Red
88,8,Bet,1,2,-1,1,512.5,1 : Black
89,27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,513.5,1 : Red
90,9,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,512.5,1 : Black +12.5 so stay at 1
91,7,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,511.5,1 : Black
92,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,511.5,
93,17,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,510.5,1 : Red
94,18,Bet,1,2,-1,1,511.5,1 : Red
95,22,Bet,1,2,-1,1,512.5,1 : Black
96,33,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,511.5,1 : Red +11.5 so increase to 2
97,15,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,509.5,2 : Red
98,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509.5,
99,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509.5,
100,26,Bet,2,4,-2,2,511.5,2 : Black
[/table]
END OF SESSION AT 100 SPINS (on spin 2 of cycle of 5)
100 spins.
+11.5 units
Highest bet=2
lowest bankroll = 499.5/500
Obviously there will be sessions with higher stake levels but maybe the bet selection + the "best of 5" can cope with that and outstay a difficult and protracted period?
Atlantis.
It sounds really good.
Great job Atlantis, as always :)
I'm going to test it this week.
Cheers.
Jordan69
One of the ways to win...with lot of patience and small aim
without any risk of losing big.
That's exactly what i think F_LAT_INO :)
And honestly, this is what we need...
Atlantis,
I was PMing with F_LAT_INO about another system and mentioned that I liked his Random vs Random for ECs and thought that betting in opposition may be worth a try on this system. I will give it a try and post some results.
The way I see it working, is to select bets exactly as you have outlined where we are basically betting for chops. But also bet the opposite way for streaks. I can't think of any reason why it shouldn't work because when 1 is losing, the other should be winning.
We'll see.
G
A.
Okay, I did a short test just to get an idea how things would go. Looks pretty solid.
29 spins
+15 units.
-6 highest drawdown
5 highest bet
It was a little confusing because I didn't think through exactly how I was going to play. The confusion was on the streaks, do you wait for 2 in a row to start betting or do you bet for a repeat from the 1st of a color just like you bet for a chop from the 1st color? Also, I found myself only wanting to bet for 1 shot instead of two. This kept my bets smaller since I never had to bet both sides on the same color. I continued to bet twice on the chops side, but forgot to bet twice on the streak side most of the time. It didn't seem to make a lot of difference.
It's late and I'm tired. I'll try another session, a little longer one, tomorrow. One thing I notice is that it wins more rapidly with two lines of bets going, and when you get a long string of chops or repeats, you stop betting on the opposing side which increases your wins dramatically.
I'm sure there's an achilles heel, I'm just not sure what the sequence is that'll kill this. It'll rear it's ugly head soon enough.
Good Night,
George
Decided to run another quick session using some actuals from Wiesbaden. Randomly picked 18-05-2010. This is the freakyest session I can imagine. I'll try to present it so you can see what happens.
Chops Repeats Totals
Spun Color Amt +/- Acc Color Amt +/- Acc
Color Bet Bet Bet Bet
B
R R 1 + +1 NB=No Bet +1
B B 1 + +1 NB +2
R R 1 + +1 NB +3
B B 1 + +1 NB +4
R R 1 + +1 NB +5
B B 1 + +1 NB +6
R R 1 + +1 NB +7
R B 1 - -1 NB +6
R NB R 1 + +1 +7
R NB R 1 + +1 +8
R NB R 1 + +1 +9
R NB R 1 + +1 +10
R NB R 1 + +1 +11
R NB R 1 + +1 +12
B NB R 1 - -1 +10
R R 2 + +1 NB +11
B B 1 + +1 NB +13
R R 1 + +1 NB +14
I'm too tired to keep going, but it continued a little more back and forth than this for another 17 spins for a total win of +27 units in a total of 35 spins.
I swear I didn't hand pick the date for the spin history.
Just shows you how powerful this system can be during the best spins.
You can see that I didn't go for the 2 unit bet after a loss. I'm not sure which way is better.
George
HI GLC,
It can get really confusing if playing 2 EC's at the same time - but maybe 2 players could do it.
Here I am using the exact same selection method but using now "best of 4" instead of "best of 5".
A couple of changes - -
Cycle of 4 is immediately reset ANYTIME when bank reaches level or ahead of current highest END-OF-CYCLE figure total and the stake is dropped to 1 unit for the start of a completely NEW cycle of 4.
If betting 2 or more units and a 4 spin cycle is ended and if not level or ahead of current highest profit figure then increase stake by a further unit if current bank is LESS than at end of last cycle... OR keep to same stake level if an improvement in bank since the end of the last cycle.
An example of this is on Spin 82 where the bank increased from 503.5 to 505 after a 4 spin cycle played at 3 units - here the stakes did not increase to 4 but were kept @ 3 units... On spin 85 a new highest profit of 514 was reached so a new cycle of 4 was immediately restarted with stakes lowered to 1 unit.
I think this is better way to use the "best of 4/5" progression.
Here is a real 100 spin session from yesterday:
Spielbank Wiesbaden 31 Aug 2010 - Table 8
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,1,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Red *restart cycle@1
3,10,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Black *restart cycle@1
4,16,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Red *restart cycle@1
5,32,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : Black
6,13,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Black *restart cycle@1
7,4,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : Red
8,28,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Red
9,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
10,26,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Black
11,10,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Red *start new cycle@2
12,35,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,499,2 : Red
13,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,499,
14,3,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,497,2 : Black
15,24,Bet,2,4,-2,2,499,2 : Black
16,26,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,497,2 : Red *start new cycle@3
17,16,Bet,3,6,-3,3,500,3 : Red
18,11,Bet,3,6,-3,3,503,3 : Black *restart cycle@1
19,26,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : Red
20,13,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Red
21,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
22,17,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
23,21,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
24,20,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Black
25,12,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Red *start new cycle@1
26,30,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : Black
27,36,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Black
28,11,No Bet,0,0,0,0,501,
29,11,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : Red
30,12,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Red *start new cycle@2
31,35,Bet,2,4,-2,2,503,2 : Black *restart cycle@1
32,29,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : Red
33,3,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Red *restart cycle@1
34,19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : Black
35,22,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Black *restart cycle@1
36,7,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504,1 : Red *restart cycle@1
37,27,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503,1 : Black
38,35,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504,1 : Black *restart cycle@1
39,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503,1 : Red
40,36,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504,1 : Red *restart cycle@1
41,29,Bet,1,2,-1,1,505,1 : Black *restart cycle@1
42,18,Bet,1,2,-1,1,506,1 : Red *restart cycle@1
43,20,Bet,1,2,-1,1,507,1 : Black *restart cycle@1
44,6,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506,1 : Red
45,1,Bet,1,2,-1,1,507,1 : Red *restart cycle@1
46,15,Bet,1,2,-1,1,508,1 : Black *restart cycle@1
47,7,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509,1 : Red *restart cycle@1
48,1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : Black
49,30,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,507,1 : Black
50,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
51,23,Bet,1,2,-1,1,508,1 : Red
52,2,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509,1 : Black *restart cycle@1
53,31,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : Red
54,9,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509,1 : Red *restart cycle@1
55,0,Bet,1,0,-0.5,-0.5,508.5,1 : Black
56,18,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,507.5,1 : Black
57,17,Bet,1,2,-1,1,508.5,1 : Black
58,19,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509.5,1 : Red *restart cycle@1
59,33,Bet,1,2,-1,1,510.5,1 : Black *restart cycle@1
60,30,Bet,1,2,-1,1,511.5,1 : Red *restart cycle@1
61,6,Bet,1,2,-1,1,512.5,1 : Black *restart cycle@1
62,7,Bet,1,2,-1,1,513.5,1 : Red *restart cycle@1
63,25,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,512.5,1 : Black
64,17,Bet,1,2,-1,1,513.5,1 : Black *restart cycle@1
65,11,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,512.5,1 : Red
66,31,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,511.5,1 : Red
67,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,511.5,
68,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,511.5,
69,25,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,510.5,1 : Black
70,2,Bet,1,2,-1,1,511.5,1 : Black *start new cycle@2
71,35,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,509.5,2 : Red
72,28,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,507.5,2 : Red
73,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
74,14,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507.5,
75,3,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,505.5,2 : Black
76,16,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,503.5,2 : Black *start new cycle@3
77,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
78,29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,503.5,
79,31,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,500.5,3 : Red
80,0,Bet,3,0,-1.5,-1.5,499,3 : Red
81,21,Bet,3,6,-3,3,502,3 : Red
82,28,Bet,3,6,-3,3,505,3 : Black *start new cycle@3
83,7,Bet,3,6,-3,3,508,3 : Red
84,13,Bet,3,6,-3,3,511,3 : Black
85,14,Bet,3,6,-3,3,514,3 : Red *restart cycle@1
86,3,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,513,1 : Black
87,21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,512,1 : Black
88,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,512,
89,32,Bet,1,2,-1,1,513,1 : Red
90,36,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,512,1 : Black *start new cycle@2
91,22,Bet,2,4,-2,2,514,2 : Black *restart cycle@1
92,18,Bet,1,2,-1,1,515,1 : Red *restart cycle@1
93,24,Bet,1,2,-1,1,516,1 : Black *restart cycle@1
94,10,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,515,1 : Red
95,6,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,514,1 : Red
96,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,514,
97,0,Bet,1,0,-0.5,-0.5,513.5,1 : Black
98,21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,512.5,1 : Black *start new cycle@2
99,13,Bet,2,4,-2,2,514.5,2 : Black
100,12,Bet,2,4,-2,2,516.5,2 : Red *restart cycle@1
[/table]
END OF 100 SPIN SESSION. (abt. 1hr 40min)
+16.5 pts.
Highest Bet=3
Max Drawdown=14.5
Lowest Bankroll=497/500
Good Luck,
Atlantis.
A.
I like the change in betting progression. I was testing using 5 at a time and was having some real down swings to recover from. This new change should level things out a little. I've tested this using the cancellation method starting with 1 unit. Bet 1, if lose write down 1 next to the first 1 and next bet 2. If lose, write 2 down and bet 3 etc... This is as close to canceling 2 for 1 as we can get which means we have to have a really bad run to tank. A run that tanks this, will tank anything, therefore, we have have a good win target vs stop loss.
Sometimes I'm not sure all the gymnastics we go through for bet amounts don't make that much difference in the long run. If I'm betting 3 on R chops and 4 on B repeats using differential betting, I only bet 1 on B, the wheel doesn't know how I decided to bet 1 on B. I could probably just pick any amount to bet and bet it and have just as good a chance to win in the long run. Roulette is surely an intriguing game.
I have a good feeling about this bet selection method, and even though it is a bit involved to bet both sides, I think it will be worth it. If you can use pen and paper, it's not so bad.
I realize that your 2nd bet after a loss is important. Otherwise, all your doing is betting for chops and after 1 loss your betting for repeats and after 1 loss back on chops etc... I've tried that before to no real advantage.
LOL,
George
Atlantis,
I have been testing your system betting both chops and streaks simultaneously. I have been starting with 1 unit that I want to win on each attack. If I lose, I follow the rules for the cancellation betting system.
I play the chop bet selection just as you outlined in your 1st post. For the streaks, I wait until I have two of the same color before I bet for the streak to continue. If I lose, I bet again for the streak to pick back up. If I lose 2 bets on streaks, it means I have 2 colors in a row, so I immediately begin betting that the new color will continue to streak. This means that I bet every spin on the streak side.
This means that sometime I'm betting on B and R at the same time in which case I bet differentially. Sometime I'm only betting on the streak side which means I'm streaking and waiting for a single to appear so I can begin betting on the chops side also. Sometime I'm betting on the same color on both sides. This can sometimes be a pretty large bet. It's always nice when they hit.
I played both of the sessions you posted above with this bet method and won 79 units with your 1st session and 65 units with your second session. I played an additional session on betvoyager and won 46 units in 45 spins.
I know this betting system is more aggressive than yours, but if we can win at such a rapid pace, with a good stop loss, I think we can make a profitable system even with aggressive betting.
My next test is to go back to your +1/-1 bet system. I think it will win at a good pace without as high a possibility of getting into big bets.
The whole foundation to this system is your bet selection method which gives us few 5 or 6 in a row losing steaks to overcome but gives us many 1,2 and 3 in a row winning streaks.
I don't think we need to be too conservative with our bet system. Future test may prove me wrong. It won't be the first time. We'll see.
George
I'm impressed with your results GLC!
It's great you're having some good fortune with this and the idea of playing both sides in the manner you related and using differential betting sounds neat and cool. I look forward to any follow-up findings you have to report.
This may really be a breakthrough variation. Still, I am also happy with the way it performs using one EC with "best of 4". It's easy to play and I'm growing in confidence - always a danger sign :)
This morning, just for interest, tried a 100 spin session using d'alembert (+1/-1) starting with 10 units and achieved +88.5 using original selection method only.
Best wishes,
A.
A.
I too have been testing with the original +1/-1 D'alembert with equally good results. I just can't understand why this new bet selection method produces such a good win vs loss ratio. Unfortunately, being from the US, I only have access to a local double zero wheel. I think I will start testing on 0/00 and see if it holds up well enough to test with real money.
G.
NICE THREAD A. just got back from holidays i will be trying this out .
Hi Warrior,
Hope you find this method of interest and enjoy the tryout.
I feel happiest to use "best of 4" idea with the original selection method - that's because I don't want to risk too much or get into high progression. So I am more cautious than aggressive.
Latest result with Spielbank Wiesbaden spins for 31 Aug 2010 Table 8:
+10.5 after 138 spins (+8 after 100 spins)
max drawdown=13
highest bet=4
lowest bankroll=493 out of 500
Atlantis.
A.
I tried a different bet system. It is a modified D'alembert. +2 on lose, -3 on win, re-set when you reach a new high. Play both chops and streaks. I have started to test this progression because with such a good win rate, the +2/-3 helps keep the bets from rising too rapidly during a pro-longed losing streak. If things get too wild, you can even go to +2/-4 to bring them back more quickly. This will result in a pro-longed attack. Should probably take a loss when you find yourself back at betting 1 unit. This should keep you out of the deep holes you can find yourself with the cancellation method.
This is easier to play because you can tell automatically what you need to bet in your head.
This was played on a 0/00 air-ball wheel.
58 spins played
+52 units won
Largest bet +9
Largest draw-down -14
Lowest point down 494/500.
I'm still looking for that tough series to come along to show us what we're up against. So far it's being way too easy.
Let's keep testing.
George
P.S. Glad to have you on board Warrior.
Atlantis,
I know that we're kind of going down two different paths here. I'm not trying to convince you to go my way and I know that you're not trying to convince me to go yours. We're just posting our findings for those who are reading these posts but not entering in yet. Someone may have some very good imput. They're just waiting for the right time to hit us with it. If they keep reading our findings, it may trigger a new approach. Until I determine that this won't hold up for some reason, it's going to keep showing up at the top of the list.
Cheers,
G.
P.S. Iboba's ruined me with his oppositional betting concept. I feel like just betting one side is missed opportunity. Although, I don't know how easy it'll be if you can't use pen and paper.
big A . GOOD PROFIT REAL MONEY THANKS.
Short session. 0/00 wheel. Betvoyager. Betting both ways simultaneously. Differential betting where applicable.
spin chop streak total
35B
30R R +1 NB +1 Re-set
20B B +1 NB +1 Re-set
33B R -1 NB -1
28B R -3 B +1 -3
28B NB B +1 -2
17B NB B +1 -1
19R NB B -1 -2
11B B +5 B +3 +6 Re-set
7R R +1 B -1 0
12R B -1 B -3 -4
5R B -3 R +5 -2
24B NB R -2 -4
21R R +5 R +4 +5 Re-set
32R B -1 R +1 0
9R B -3 R +1 -2
22B NB R -1 -3
19R R +5 R +3 +5 Re-set
29B B +1 R -1 0
15B R -1 R -3 -4
32R R +3 B -5 -6
4B B +1 B +7 +2 Re-set
14R R +1 B -1 0
0 B -1 B -3 -4
1R B -3 B -5 -12
11B B +5 R -7 -14
20B R -1 R -9 -24
22B R -3 B +11 -16
35B NB B +8 -8
17B NB B +5 -3
2B NB B +2 -1
34R NB B -1 -2
27R B -5 B -3 -10
20B B +7 R -5 -8
21R R +4 R +7 +3 Re-set
7R B -1 R +1 0
29B B +3 R -1 +2 Re-set
13B R -1 R -1 -2
27R R +3 B -3 -2
5R B -1 B -5 -8
12R B -3 R +7 -4
27R NB R +4 0
+25 units
42 spins
+11 largest bet
496/500 lowest point in bankroll
This is the hardest session yet.
George
Hi George
Thx for posting your latest results. Not bad for a "hard" session on a 0/00 wheel...
I will study it and see if I can fathom your playing strategy for both chop and sequence.
Also, I am wondering how your session would have panned out if playing level stake flat bets @1 unit without any progression on both sides?
Anyway, keep up the good work and ideas. :)
A.
A.
Okay, now that I've figured out how to do a session so you can see how it was played, I thought I would try a session on Bacarrat since it's an EC bet without the zero's. I just pulled out an old session to see how the system performs.
Here it is. Same as my last post. +2/-3. Play both sides oppositionally. Reset at new high.
Result Chop Streak Total
B
B
B NB B+1 +1 Reset
P NB B-1 -1
B B+1 B+3 +3 Reset
B P-1 B+1 0
P P+3 B-1 +2 Reset
B B+1 B+1 +2 Reset
P P+1 B-1 0
P B-1 B-3 -4
B B+3 P-5 -6
P P+1 P+7 +2 Reset
P B-1 P+1 0
B B+3 P-1 +2 Reset
B P-1 P-3 -4
P P+3 B-5 -6
B B+1 B+7 +2 Reset
B P-1 B+1 0
P P+3 B-1 +2 Reset
P B-1 B-3 -4
P B-3 P+5 -2
P NB P+1 -1
B NB P-1 -2
P P+1 P+3 +2 Reset
B B+1 P-1 0
B P-1 P-3 -4
B P-3 B+5 -2
B NB B+2 0
B NB B+1 +1 Reset
B NB B+1 +1 Reset
P NB B-1 -1
P B-1 B-3 -5
P B-3 P+5 -3
B NB P-2 -5
P NB P+4 -1
B B+1 P-2 -2
P P+1 P+4 +3 Reset
B B+1 P-1 0
P P+1 P+3 +4 Reset
I'm going to stop here, because it's just more of the same old stuff.
39 Hands
+27 units won
Was never in the hole.
Here's why this system is so good playing opposing sides.
If the system is chopping, we are winning on the chop side and because we play for 2 losses on the streak side, the second attempt will win because of the alternating colors. If the colors are streaking, we are winning every bet on the streak side and we quit betting on the chop side after the second loss. I know there's a sequence that will hurt us, but it may be so rare as to not hurt our overall performance that much.
Hold the phone.
The killing sequence is doubles. When we have a series of doubles, our streak side keeps going deeper and deeper in the hole and the chop side is down to only 1 unit each time which doesn't offset the larger bets on the streak side. A break we could add is if we lose 3 or 4 on the streak side, stop betting until the doubles stop. I'll keep tweaking till we get it as safe as possible.
The nice thing is that this can be played on any EC bet such as pass/don't pass in craps.
Adios for now,
George
I have tried this with the dozens when 2 dozens repeat ex. 122 3 bet on 2 for 2 spins 8 misseS on 4oo spin,i will keep testing this one same concept as ATLANTIS AND EVEN MONEY.
Atlantis,
I feel like I'm hi-jacking your thread. We seem to be at a fork in the road with 1 prong betting chops only and the other prong betting both sides simultaneously.
If you think it best, I'll start another thread playing your bet selection but betting both sides. That way, if anyone just wants to focus on your way, they don't have to weed through all of my posts.
You can remove all my posts from this thread and I'll just start a new post with all new entries.
Sorry, sometimes I get a little carried away and don't realize that I'm being a little verbose until it's obvious to everyone except me. Although, I eventually wake up.
Let me know what you think,
George
Hey George,
There is really nothing to worry about. I am happy and appreciate your contributions into this topic. So please carry on as usual; as nothing has really gotten off-topic at all and I do not mind if it expands or "grows" into slightly different direction... and to be honest at them moment I'd rather all the discussion to be here in the one place anyway.
There is room here for others to chip in and post their take and/or results also.
Good how it can applied to other games like craps/baccarat for instance.
You seem really excited about betting the 2 sides of an EC but have also identified a danger; I knew, of course...
Maybe if it can be played on the streak (sequence) side the same as for chop ie. after 2 losers (chops) then wait for sequence to re-form (2 of same colour)
Due to other constraints, I've not had as much time to really investigate your spin example and to totally grasp exactly how you're playing it - but since you are extolling the virtues it can't be that much of hassle in actual practice.
I have an idea - maybe we can incorporate the "best of 4" prog into your idea of the dual sides of the EC???
Maybe this can help with the problem you identified?
Thanks,
A.
Hi GLC.
Here is my slight variation on betting the streak in combination with the basic chop bet which remains unchanged...
Play streak only when 2 of same color consecutively occur... When lose on streak cease betting streak until another occurrence of 2 consecutive colors.
If bet calls for same units on both sides = No Bet (bank is unchanged)
If bet calls for differing units on both sides = bet the differential.
Reset if level or new high as before!
Here firstly is results on both sides using same GLC numbers in roulette session above.
using +2 on loss and -3 on win.
===============================
spin chop streak total
35B
30R R +1 NB +1 *reset
20B B +1 NB +2 *reset
33B R -1 NB +1
28B R -3 B +1 -1
28B NB B +1 0
17B NB B +1 +1
19R NB B -1 0
11B B +5 NB +5 *reset
7R R +1 NB +6 *reset
12R B -1 NB +5
5R B -3 R +1 +3
24B NB R -1 +2
21R R +5 NB +7 *reset
32R B -1 NB +6
9R B -3 R +3 +6
22B NB R +1 +7 *reset
19R R +1 NB +8 *reset
29B B +1 NB +9 *reset
15B R -1 NB +8
32R R +3 B -1 +10 *reset
4B B +1 NB +11 *reset
14R R +1 NB +12 *reset
0 B -0.5 NB +11.5 (ignore result)
1R B -1 NB +10.5
11B B +3 R -1 +12.5 *reset
20B R -1 NB +11.5
22B R -3 B +1 +9.5
35B NB B +1 +10.5
17B NB B +1 +11.5
2B NB B +1 +12.5 *reset
34R NB B -1 +11.5
27R B -1 NB +10.5
20B B +3 R -3 +10.5 *no bet
21R R +1 NB +11.5
7R B -1 NB +10.5
29B B +3 R -5 +8.5
13B R -1 NB +7.5
27R R +3 B -7 +3.5
5R B -1 NB +2.5
12R B -3 R +9 +8.5
27R NB R +6 +14.5 *reset
+14.5 in 42 spins
I will let you be the judge as to whether this is any better or worse than the way you already play it. I've only tested on these numbers so far - so I have no idea if an improvement or not (probably not)
Thanks,
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 03, 07:49 AM 2010
Hi GLC.
Here is my slight variation on betting the streak in combination with the basic chop bet which remains unchanged...
Play streak only when 2 of same color consecutively occur... When lose on streak cease betting streak until another occurrence of 2 consecutive colors.
If bet calls for same units on both sides = No Bet (bank is unchanged)
If bet calls for differing units on both sides = bet the differential.
Reset if level or new high as before!
Here firstly is results on both sides using same GLC numbers in roulette session above.
using +2 on loss and -3 on win.
===============================
spin chop streak total
35B
30R R +1 NB +1 *reset
20B B +1 NB +2 *reset
33B R -1 NB +1
28B R -3 B +1 -1
28B NB B +1 0
17B NB B +1 +1
19R NB B -1 0
11B B +5 NB +5 *reset
7R R +1 NB +6 *reset
12R B -1 NB +5
5R B -3 R +1 +3
24B NB R -1 +2
21R R +5 NB +7 *reset
32R B -1 NB +6
9R B -3 R +3 +6
22B NB R +1 +7 *reset
19R R +1 NB +8 *reset
29B B +1 NB +9 *reset
15B R -1 NB +8
32R R +3 B -1 +10 *reset
4B B +1 NB +11 *reset
14R R +1 NB +12 *reset
0 B -0.5 NB +11.5 (ignore result)
1R B -1 NB +10.5
11B B +3 R -1 +12.5 *reset
20B R -1 NB +11.5
22B R -3 B +1 +9.5
35B NB B +1 +10.5
17B NB B +1 +11.5
2B NB B +1 +12.5 *reset
34R NB B -1 +11.5
27R B -1 NB +10.5
20B B +3 R -3 +10.5 *no bet
21R R +1 NB +11.5
7R B -1 NB +10.5
29B B +3 R -5 +8.5
13B R -1 NB +7.5
27R R +3 B -7 +3.5
5R B -1 NB +2.5
12R B -3 R +9 +8.5
27R NB R +6 +14.5 *reset
+14.5 in 42 spins
I will let you be the judge as to whether this is any better or worse than the way you already play it. I've only tested on these numbers so far - so I have no idea if an improvement or not (probably not)
Thanks,
A.
A.
Thanks for the thumbs up. I like the way your tweak looks. I was thinking also of testing it to go NO BET after losing 4 in a row on the streak side. Now that I've identified the achilles heel, I'm not so ecstatic about the aggressive betting method. Although, I'm not sure it matters so much in the long run. With your method you win less per session, but when you lose, you lose about the same percentage of your wins. With an aggressive betting system, you win a lot more per session, but when you lose, you lose about the same percentage. In the long run it's probably a wash.
The good thing about your approach is that you can afford to bet larger units with a smaller bankroll because the unit spread isn't so large.
I'll test my same spins with you 4's series method and see how it looks. In the long run, betting both sides may not give us enough of an advantage to warrant the extra difficulty to play the system.
Regards,
George
Hi guys,
I dont want to disturb your work guys :thumbsup:
but i would like to share my own results with first basic rules (Atlantis great job)
and 1 1 1,5 1,5 2 2 2,5 2,5 3 3 3,5 3,5 4 4 4,5 4,5 5 5 progression.
I don't go higher than 5 units.
I bet all the EC's (3 attacks for each spin, but not always cause sometimes we have to wait)
I do my test with real land casino permanences. (single zero)
My tests are made with 54 spins session cause i dont want to play a long time.
Stop loss to determine, but for the moment : 54 units.
Seems too much for me.
Stop win is 8 units per EC's but probably have to accept less (6 ?)
I'll see.
Results after 6 sessions (6 x 54 spins) :
1) + 25
2) + 14,5
3) - 10
4) + 6,5
5) + 11
6) + 9
Total : 56 units.
Good to me :) if i'm able to play with 10 or 20 euros units...
Of course, it means almost nothing and for sure, i need to do at least 100 sessions
before claiming anything :) But right now, i want to go on cause it's really interesting.
I'm ready for some bad sessions... Not a dreamer. But who knows ?
Thanks Atlantis !
Best regards.
Jordan 69
Jordan 69,
Thanks for the input. The more sessions played by different people with a positive outcome, the better the bet selection looks.
Atlantis,
I noticed that you had some losing sessions in your test of 30. Could you publish the R/B sequence for me on at least one of them so I can run a few tests. I can't seem to find a good losing session to work with.
I'm thinking of adding a third bet (doubles) in opposition to the chops and streaks. If we stop betting after 2 losses in each of the 3 lines of attack, we may just about have everything covered. I know that the transitions will cost us but maybe not too much. I know, it's just another added dimension of complexity to deal with, but if we can play this on the internet (I don't mean on RNG's so don't everybody get in a big lather) or an airball machine like I have access to with 60 seconds per spin, I can make the calculations and place the bets easily.
The next step will be three lines of attack on each of the 3 EC's and it'll be unstopable... Just kidding.
Thanks for your help,
George
@Jordan: Thanks for the heads-up on your test progress.
@GLC: Here are the 56 numbers of the first losing game in that session of 30, game 12
the result of which was -78 starting @ 2units and playing the original way that Jordan is playing... 3rd Mar 2010 - table 9 at Spielbank, Wiesbaden
26
14
22
34
0
12
12
7
31
24
24
20
18
30
15
36
19
6
35
35
2
30
28
27
19
36
16
34
33
35
34
21
36
22
22
24
36
1
17
27
36
27
28
11
32
14
20
9
27
9
23
18
21
10
6
13
Cheers,
A.
Quick and favourable live session at SmartLiveCasino on low-limit auto roulette. Playing both sides with +2/-3 prog as in my previous example:
#spun chop seq +/-
====================
18R 1u NB
8B 1u NB +1 *reset
34R 1u NB +2 *reset
24B 1u NB +3 *reset
9R 1u NB +2
27R 3u 1u +5 *reset (bet differential 2 on B)
4B 1u +6 *reset
7R 1u +7 *reset
33B 1u +6
10B 3u 1u +8 *reset (bet differential 2 on R)
23R 1u +9 *reset
8B 1u +10 *reset
12R
============
+10 in 13 spins :)
A.
Thanks A.
I'll look at them, but I just played a demo session on betvoyager and got killed playing both sides.
R,R,R,B,R,R,R,B,R,R,B,B,R,B,B,B,B,R,R,R,B,B,R,B,B,R,B,R,R,B,B,0,R,B,R,B,B,R,R,R,R,B,B,B,R,R,R,B,R,R,0,B,B,B,R,R,R.
56 spins. Won 20 units before going on a -104 streak.
Lots of doubles and triples. They're the killers.
I haven't tried it with starting at 2 progression.
I did look at how it would do using your 4 series. Ended up at -12 but had won 4 previous for a loss of -8. I always hate testing another betting system because it ends in the middle of an attack which skews the results because with a few more spins you would expect to get back to even or +.
One question. I assumed that when playing the 4 series bets, you only count actual bets in the 4 and not include the NO BET spins. Am I right?
G
Hi GLC,
I really think YOUR way of betting both sides is better than my own attempt. But surely there has to be a STOP point on the streak side... I notice in your spin results that once the streak qualified for betting (2 in a row of same colour) then you ALWAYS made a bet on the streak side for the rest of the session...
Maybe here is an idea. If streak WINS then always continue betting streak. After 2 consecutive losers on streak betting - wait for 2 consecutive colors before restarting bet on streak...
18
30 here place a bet of 1u on RED to streak
6 LOST. place a bet of 3u on BLACK to streak (following STREAK remember!)
5 LOST. 2 losers in a row playing for streaks
Now wait for 2 of same color in a row before playing next streak bet!
18
30
6
5
8
22 here place bet for 5u on BLACK to streak
35 WON. place a bet of 2u on BLACK to streak
14 LOST. place a bet of 4u on RED to streak
14 WON. place a bet of 1u on RED to streak
7 WON. place a bet of 1u on RED to streak
23 WON. place a bet of 1u on RED to streak
13. LOST. place a bet of 3u on BLACK to streak
36. LOST. 2 losers in a row playing for streaks
Now wait for 2 of same color in a row before playing next streak bet!
Example.
#spun chop seq +/-
===============================
18
30 1b (L) nb -1
6 3b (W) 1r (L) +1 *reset
5 1r (W) 1b (L) +1 *no bet
8 1b (W) nb +2 *reset
22 1r (L) nb +1
35 3r (L) 1b(W) -2
14 nb 1r (W) -1
14 5b (L) 1r (W) -5
7 7b (L) 1r (W) -11
23 nb 1r (W) -10
13 9b (W) 1r (L) -2
36 6r (W) 3b (L) +1
======================================
May need to adjust the +2/-3 progression?
What you think GLC?
A.
Here is same example with (safer) "2u-2d progression" for both sides (reset 2u-2d after level or ahead of highest profit figure):
#spun chop seq +/-
===============================
18 0
30 1b (L) nb -1
6 1b (W) 1r (L) -1 no bet
5 1r (W) 1b (L) -1 *no bet
8 1b (W) nb 0 *reset
22 1r (L) nb -1
35 1r (L) 1b(W) -1 *no bet
14 nb 1r (W) 0 *reset
14 1b (L) 1r (W) 0 *no bet
7 1b (L) 1r (W) 0 *no bet
23 nb 1r (W) +1 *reset
13 1b (W) 1r (L) +1 *no bet
36 1r (W) 1b (L) +1 *no bet
Compare with +2/-3 above...
Same result +1 - but highest bet only 1 unit!
More no-bets means more protection from zeroes.
A.
Now taking that really bad session that resulted in -78 in original way and now using 2u-2d and new streak rule and using differential, resets, and no-bets:
#spun chop seq +/-
===============================
26 0
14 1r W nb +1 *reset
22 1b W nb +2 *reset
34 1r W nb +3 *reset
0 1b 0 nb +2.5
12 1b L nb +1.5
12 1b L 1r W +1.5 *no bet
7 nb 1r W +2.5
31 nb 1r L +1.5
24 2r L 1b W +0.5
24 2r L 1b W -0.5
20 nb 1b W +0.5
18 nb 1b L -0.5
36 3b L 1r W -2.5
19 3b L 1r W -4.5
6 nb 1r L -5.5
35 nb 1b W -4.5
35 nb 1b W -3.5
2 nb 1b W -2.5
30 nb 1b L -3.5
28 4b W 1r L +0.5
27 4r W nb +4.5 *reset
19 1b L nb +3.5
36 1b L 1r W +3.5 *no bet
16 nb 1r W +4.5 *reset
34 nb 1r W +5.5 *reset
33 nb 1r L +4.5
35 1r L 1b W +4.5 *no bet
34 1r W 1b L +4.5 *no bet
21 1b L 1r W +4.5 *no bet
36 1b L 1r W +4.5 *no bet
22 nb 1r L +3.5
22 2r L 1b W +2.5
24 2r L 1b W +1.5
1 nb 1b L +0.5
17 3b W 1r L +2.5
27 3r W nb +5.5 *reset
36 1b L nb +4.5
27 1b L 1r W +4.5 *no bet
28 nb 1r L +3.5
11 nb 1b W +4.5
32 nb 1b L +3.5
14 2b L 1r W +2.5
20 2b W 1r L +3.5
9 2r W 1b L +4.5
27 1b L nb +3.5
9 1b L 1r W +3.5 *no bet
23 nb 1r W +4.5
18 nb 1r W +5.5 *reset
21 nb 1r W +6.5 *reset
10 nb 1r L +5.5
6 1r L 1b W +5.5 *no bet
13 1r L 1b W +5.5 *no bet
highest bet=4 (on one side)
Slower - but safer.
GLC, this *may* be the solution! :)
A.
--This looks much better Atlantis.Em following your and Georges
exchanges of ideas but don't wish to interupt your thoughts.
Thats how it should be done in each thread.Bravo.
.A.
Excellent results. Very safe way of betting. Good stop/start triggers. I will begin to test according to your latest rules.
Your new tweaks certainly kicked that -78's butt. From -78 to +5.5. Wow!
Can't get too excited though. Perfecting one of these systems is like squeezing a balloon in your hands. You squeeze and get a bulge, so you squeeze the bulge to get rid of it and you get one somewhere else. With enough hands, we might get all the bulges under control.
F_LAT_INO,
Thanks for the encouragement. Glad your keeping an eye on this thread. Jump in anytime you have a suggestion. With your experience, I, at least, feel better with your thumbs up.
I'm a little short of time for a while, but will participate when I can.
Summary of the rules for those who don't want to re-read all the posts trying to figure out how we got to here.
Bet for both chops and sequences simultaneously. Begin betting for chops after the first single color. Continue to bet for a change of color until you lose 2 times then stop betting until that color streak ends which means you'll have a new single to start betting on.
At the same time, once you have two in a row, start betting opposite the chops for the streak to continue until you lose 2 times then stop betting until your 1st virtual win then start betting again.
Bet progression is 2 up/ 2 down. When you lose 2 in a row increase your bet by +1 unit. When you win 2 in a row, decrease your bet by -1 unit.
If you are betting different amounts on both R and B, subtract the smaller bet from the larger bet and bet the difference only (differential betting).
Set a reasonable win target and stop-loss.
For those interested in this thread, please do some tests to help us out with the testing. The more tests the better we can determine how it performs.
Thanks for any and all help.
As Lanky would say Atlantis, "Good on ya, Cobber"
George
P.S. Like I mentioned earlier, any of these EC systems can be played on either craps or baccarat which has a little better odds with no zero's to contend with.
"Bet for both chops and sequences simultaneously. Begin betting for chops after the first single color. Continue to bet for a change of color until you lose 2 times then stop betting until that color streak ends which means you'll have a new single to start betting on."
This should read ...a new single to start betting for chops. Or something like that. It's a little hard to say exactly right and English is my 1st language.
George
Hi Guys,
Thanks for your interest and encouragement and I am pleased you are following this thread F_LAT_INO. Thanks also to George for explaining how to operate.
Now let's try a real session from yesterday:
Casino Spielbank, Wiesbaden 4 SEP 2010: Table 8
=====================================
[table=,]
#SPUN ,CHOP ,STREAK , +/-
1,,,0
32,1b L,nb,-1
22,1b W,1r L,-1 *no bet
21,1r W, 1b L,-1 *no bet
11,1b W, nb, 0 *RESET
18,1r W,nb,+1 *RESET
5,1b L, nb, 0
33,1b W, 1r L*, 0
19,1r W,1b L*, 0
15,1b W, nb, +1 *RESET
21,1r W,nb,+2 *RESET
24,1b W,nb,+3 *RESET
20,1r L*, nb,+2
33,1r L*,1b W,+2 *no bet
10,nb,1b W,+3 *RESET
5,nb, 1b L*,+2
4,1b W, 1r L*,+2 *no bet
26, 1r L, nb,+1
12, 1r W,2b L*,0
31,1b W,2r L*,-1
23,1r W,nb,0
33,1b W,nb,+1
14,1r W,nb,+2
21,1b L,nb,+1
32,1b L,3r W, +3 *RESET
14,nb,1r W,+4 *RESET
36,nb,1r W,+5 *RESET
20,nb,1r L,+4
29,1r L*,1b W,+4 *no bet
11,1r L*,1b W,+4 *no bet
25,nb, 1b L*,+3
33,2b W*,1r L*,+4
1,2r W*,nb,+6 *RESET
31,1b W,nb,+7 *RESET
14,1r W,nb,+8 *RESET
14,1b L*,nb,+7
23,1b L*, 1r W,+7 *no bet
23,nb,1r W,+8 *RESET
15,nb,1r L*,+7
21,2r W,1b L*,+8 *RESET
8,1b W,nb,+9 *RESET
26,1r L,nb,+8
7,1r W,1b L,+8 *no bet
30,1b L*,1r W,+8 *no bet
9,1b L*,1r W,+8 *no bet
2,nb,1r L,+7
4,2r L,1b W,+6
19,2r W,1b L,+7
14,2b L*,1r W,+6
18,2b L*,1r W,+5
13,nb,1r L*,+4
30,3r W,1b L*,+6
7,3b L*,nb,+3
14,3b L*,2r W,+2
2,nb,2r L,+1
4,4r L*,2b W*,-1
24,4r L*,2b W*,-3
27,nb,1b L,-4
3,5b L*,1r W,-8
5,5b L*,1r W,-12
8,nb,1r L,-13
35,6r L,1b W,-18
21,6r W*,1b L*,-13
6,6b W*,1r L*,-8
14,5r W*,nb,-3
4,5b W*,nb,+2
12,4r W,nb,+6
18,4b L,nb,+2
10,4b W,2r L,+4
10,4r L,2b W,+2
18,4r W*,2b L*,+4
22,4b W*,2r L*,+6
20,3r L*,nb,+3
2,3r L*,3b W,+3 *no bet
12,nb,3b L*,0
29,4b W*,3r L*,+1
14,4r W*,nb,+5
18,3b L*,nb,+2
34,3b L*,4r W*,+3
5,nb,4r W*,+7
26,nb,3r L*,+4
27,4r W,3b L*,+5
14,4b L,nb,+1
15,4b W*,4r L*,+1 *no bet
12,4r W*,4b L*,+1 *no bet
35,3b W*,nb,+4
9,3r W*,nb,+7
26,2b W,nb,+9 *RESET
15,1r L*,nb,+8
24,1r L*, 1b W,+8 *no bet
30,nb,1b L*,+7
24,2b W,1r L*,+8
35,2r L,nb,+6
1,2r W*,1b L*,+7
22,2b W*,1r L*,+8
30,1r W,nb,+9 *RESET
20,1b W,nb,+10,*RESET
21,1r W,nb,+11 *RESET
17,1b W,nb,+12 *RESET
34,1r W,nb,+13 *RESET
21,1b L*,nb,+12
1,1b L*,1r W,+12 *no bet
14,nb,1r W,+13 *RESET
6,nb,1r L*,+12
7,1r W,1b L*,+12 *no bet
33,1b W,nb,+13 *RESET
36,1r W,nb,+14 *RESET
15,1b W,nb,+15 *RESET
28,1r L*,nb,+14
2,1r L*,1b W,+14 *no bet
26,nb,1b W,+15 *RESET
5,nb, 1b L*,+14
4,1b W,1r L*,+14 *no bet
22,1r L,nb,+13
25,1r W,2b L*,+13 *no bet
20,1b W,2r L*,+12
27,1r W,nb,+13
34,1b L*,nb,+12
7,1b L*,3r W,+14
19,nb,3r W,+17 *RESET
23,nb,1r W,+18 *RESET
31,nb,1r L*,+17
16,1r W,1b L*,+17 *no bet
35,1b W,nb,+18 *RESET
21,1r W,nb,+19 *RESET
23,1b L,nb,+18
33,1b W,1r L,+18 *no bet
28,1r L,1b W,+18 *no bet
5,1r W,1b L*,+18 *no bet
6,1b W,1r L*,+18 *no bet
27,1r W,nb,+19 *RESET
28,1b W,nb,+20 *RESET
[/table]
+20
Highest Bet = 6 (in actuality betting the differential it was 5)
I probably should have quit earlier - but wanted to see how it coped with a downturn or recovers from a negative position so you can see the swings...
The asterisks (*) in the chop and streak columns are just to indicate two L's or W's in a row as a reminder to increase/decrease stake on the next bet (if necessary)
A.
A,
I just ran your last set of numbers playing Hi/Lo, just to see how the same numbers would look on another of the ECs.
It takes too long to post each spin, so I'll summarize.
Highest plus was +22 (This was at 5 spins before the end)
Ended at +18 but was in the middle of a downturn.
Lowest drawdown was -16. (This was at the beginning. Once I got into the positive area, it sayed positive gradually working its way up to +22.)
Still way too early to go to the bank, but looks to be fairly steady and able to recover after going through a downturn.
Your session had a 38 point recovery from -18 to +20 and mine had a 38 point recovery from -16 to +22.
It's interesting that there were no zeros in this session. More like a baccarat session than a roulette session.
Warrior:
Have you been having any luck adapting this to the Dozens? I've thought about it a little, but can't see exactly how to do it.
Cheers,
George
Quote from: GLC on Sep 05, 10:46 AM 2010
A,
I just ran your last set of numbers playing Hi/Lo, just to see how the same numbers would look on another of the ECs.
It takes too long to post each spin, so I'll summarize.
Highest plus was +22 (This was at 5 spins before the end)
Ended at +18 but was in the middle of a downturn.
Lowest drawdown was -16. (This was at the beginning. Once I got into the positive area, it sayed positive gradually working its way up to +22.)
Still way too early to go to the bank, but looks to be fairly steady and able to recover after going through a downturn.
Your session had a 38 point recovery from -18 to +20 and mine had a 38 point recovery from -16 to +22.
It's interesting that there were no zeros in this session. More like a baccarat session than a roulette session.
Warrior:
Have you been having any luck adapting this to the Dozens? I've thought about it a little, but can't see exactly how to do it.
Cheers,
George
GLC i have not fully tested it yet.W..
Hi A. and GLC,
Thanks for your words.
I like your tweaks, this is very interesting, really.
I'm a little tired right now, so i'll share more results monday evening.
But right now, it's still good for me :)
Cheers.
Jordan69
Atlantis,
I was examining your last posted session and I noticed that when you have a loss on the streak side, your next bet is on the opposite color.
It may not make any difference, but I've been playing it a little different. Using the same logic as on the chops, if I'm betting on a streak of Rs and I come to a B, my next bet is also for a R since I'm giving R a second chance to continue streaking.
Same logic as with chops. If the spin is R and I bet on B and get a R, my next bet is still on B. My thinking was to give myself 2 chances to hit the color I missed.
I just realized what you're doing. If the last spin is R and you bet for B and R comes up, then you bet again for B, not because you want to give B 2 shots to hit, but because you've just had 2 Rs and B is the logical bet after each R when betting for a chop.
Now that I've seen the light because of asking my question, I think your method is the pure application of the rule. It may not matter in the long run, but it's better to be consistent.
Since I realized the answer to my question while asking it, I wasn't going to post this, but I thought it might make it clearer for someone else who's reading this thread.
LOL,
G
Well spotted G,
Just to clarify the "triggers" and the "selections":
When I start play on CHOP (after single colour appears) I always play for the OPPOSITE colour of the last number spun - until 2 consecutive losses when I stop until the formation of another single colour.
When I start play on STREAK (after 2 consecutive colours appears) I always play for the SAME colour of the last number spun - until 2 consecutive losses when I stop until the formation of another two consecutive colours.
So if my FIRST bet on streak loses, I now switch to bet for the last colour to start a streak for my SECOND bet...
Thanks,
A.
Hi,
Now my idea is to switch between CHOP and STREAK alternately on the EC.
So after 2 consecutive losses I SWITCH SIDES and increase stake by +1
I reset stake to 1 when level or ahead of highest recorded total so far.
I start the below session on the RED/BLACK even chance using the previous selection rules in the last post above for betting chop and streak. I start betting the CHOP.
Casino Wiesbaden - 4 Sep 2010 - Table 8
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[table=,]
Spin,#No.,=Type=,Bet,Win,Loss,=Net=,=Bal.=, Layout
1,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500, *first number is red so bet black
2,32,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499,1 : Black
3,22,Bet,1,2,-1,1,500,1 : Black
4,21,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Red
5,11,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Black
6,18,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Red
7,5,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : Black
8,33,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Black
9,19,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504,1 : Red
10,15,Bet,1,2,-1,1,505,1 : Black
11,21,Bet,1,2,-1,1,506,1 : Red
12,24,Bet,1,2,-1,1,507,1 : Black
13,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506,1 : Red
14,33,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,505,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
15,10,Bet,2,4,-2,2,507,2 : Black *EQ - reset to 1
16,5,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506,1 : Black
17,4,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,505,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
18,26,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,503,2 : Red
19,12,Bet,2,4,-2,2,505,2 : Red
20,31,Bet,2,4,-2,2,507,2 : Black *EQ - reset to 1
21,23,Bet,1,2,-1,1,508,1 : Red
22,33,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509,1 : Black
23,14,Bet,1,2,-1,1,510,1 : Red
24,21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,509,1 : Black
25,32,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
26,14,Bet,2,4,-2,2,510,2 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
27,36,Bet,1,2,-1,1,511,1 : Red
28,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,510,1 : Red
29,29,Bet,1,2,-1,1,511,1 : Black
30,11,Bet,1,2,-1,1,512,1 : Black
31,25,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,511,1 : Black
32,33,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,510,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
33,1,Bet,2,4,-2,2,512,2 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
34,31,Bet,1,2,-1,1,513,1 : Black
35,14,Bet,1,2,-1,1,514,1 : Red
36,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,513,1 : Black
37,23,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,512,1 : Black
38,23,Bet,2,4,-2,2,514,2 : Red
39,15,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,513,1 : Red
40,21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,512,1 : Black
41,8,Bet,2,4,-2,2,514,2 : Black
42,26,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,513,1 : Red
43,7,Bet,1,2,-1,1,514,1 : Red
44,30,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,513,1 : Black
45,9,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,512,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
46,2,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,2 : Red
47,4,Bet,2,4,-2,2,512,2 : Black
48,19,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,2 : Black
49,14,Bet,2,4,-2,2,512,2 : Red
50,18,Bet,2,4,-2,2,514,2 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
51,13,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,513,1 : Red
52,30,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,512,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
53,7,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,2 : Black
54,14,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,508,2 : Black *2L's - Inc to 3 - switch to streak
55,2,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,505,3 : Red
56,4,Bet,3,6,-3,3,508,3 : Black
57,24,Bet,3,6,-3,3,511,3 : Black
58,27,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,508,3 : Black
59,3,Bet,3,6,-3,3,511,3 : Red
60,5,Bet,3,6,-3,3,514,3 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
61,8,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,513,1 : Red
62,35,Bet,1,2,-1,1,514,1 : Black
63,21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,513,1 : Black
64,6,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,512,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
65,14,Bet,2,4,-2,2,514,2 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
66,4,Bet,1,2,-1,1,515,1 : Black
67,12,Bet,1,2,-1,1,516,1 : Red
68,18,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,515,1 : Black
69,10,Bet,1,2,-1,1,516,1 : Black
70,10,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,515,1 : Red
71,18,Bet,1,2,-1,1,516,1 : Red
72,22,Bet,1,2,-1,1,517,1 : Black
73,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,516,1 : Red
74,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,515,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
75,12,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,513,2 : Black
76,29,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,511,2 : Red *2L's - Inc to 3 - switch to chop
77,14,Bet,3,6,-3,3,514,3 : Red
78,18,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,511,3 : Black
79,34,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,508,3 : Black *2L's - Inc to 4 - switch to streak
80,5,Bet,4,8,-4,4,512,4 : Red
81,26,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,508,4 : Red
82,27,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,504,4 : Black *2L's - Inc to 5 - switch to chop
83,14,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,499,5 : Black
84,15,Bet,5,10,-5,5,504,5 : Black
85,12,Bet,5,10,-5,5,509,5 : Red
86,35,Bet,5,10,-5,5,514,5 : Black *reduce to 4
87,9,Bet,4,8,-4,4,518,4 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
88,26,Bet,1,2,-1,1,519,1 : Black
89,15,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,518,1 : Red
90,24,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,517,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
91,30,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,515,2 : Black
92,24,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,513,2 : Red *2L's - Inc to 3 - switch to chop
93,35,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,510,3 : Red
94,1,Bet,3,6,-3,3,513,3 : Red
95,22,Bet,3,6,-3,3,516,3 : Black
96,30,Bet,3,6,-3,3,519,3 : Red *reset to 1
97,20,Bet,1,2,-1,1,520,1 : Black
98,21,Bet,1,2,-1,1,521,1 : Red
99,17,Bet,1,2,-1,1,522,1 : Black
100,34,Bet,1,2,-1,1,523,1 : Red
101,21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,522,1 : Black
102,1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,521,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
103,14,Bet,2,4,-2,2,523,2 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
104,6,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,522,1 : Red
105,7,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,521,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
106,33,Bet,2,4,-2,2,523,2 : Black *EQ - reset to 1
107,36,Bet,1,2,-1,1,524,1 : Red
108,15,Bet,1,2,-1,1,525,1 : Black
109,28,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,524,1 : Red
110,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,523,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
111,26,Bet,2,4,-2,2,525,2 : Black *EQ - reset to 1
112,5,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,524,1 : Black
113,4,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,523,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
114,22,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,521,2 : Red
115,25,Bet,2,4,-2,2,523,2 : Red
116,20,Bet,2,4,-2,2,525,2 : Black *EQ - reset to 1
117,27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,526,1 : Red
118,34,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,525,1 : Black
119,7,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,524,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
120,19,Bet,2,4,-2,2,526,2 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
121,23,Bet,1,2,-1,1,527,1 : Red
122,31,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,526,1 : Red
123,16,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,525,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
124,35,Bet,2,4,-2,2,527,2 : Black *EQ - reset to 1
125,21,Bet,1,2,-1,1,528,1 : Red
126,23,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,527,1 : Black
127,33,Bet,1,2,-1,1,528,1 : Black
128,28,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,527,1 : Red
129,5,Bet,1,2,-1,1,528,1 : Red
130,6,Bet,1,2,-1,1,529,1 : Black
131,27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,530,1 : Red
132,28,Bet,1,2,-1,1,531,1 : Black
133,1,Bet,1,2,-1,1,532,1 : Red
134,4,Bet,1,2,-1,1,533,1 : Black
135,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,532,1 : Red
136,21,Bet,1,2,-1,1,533,1 : Red
137,25,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,532,1 : Black
138,6,Bet,1,2,-1,1,533,1 : Black
139,29,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,532,1 : Red
140,33,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,531,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
141,11,Bet,2,4,-2,2,533,2 : Black *EQ - reset to 1
142,21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,532,1 : Black
143,23,Bet,1,2,-1,1,533,1 : Red
144,1,Bet,1,2,-1,1,534,1 : Red
145,13,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,533,1 : Red
146,3,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,532,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
147,33,Bet,2,4,-2,2,534,2 : Black *EQ - reset to 1
148,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,533,1 : Red
149,34,Bet,1,2,-1,1,534,1 : Red
150,21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,533,1 : Black
151,24,Bet,1,2,-1,1,534,1 : Black
152,27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,535,1 : Red
153,19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,534,1 : Black
154,21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,533,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
155,27,Bet,2,4,-2,2,535,2 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
156,31,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,534,1 : Red
157,10,Bet,1,2,-1,1,535,1 : Black
158,29,Bet,1,2,-1,1,536,1 : Black
159,0,Bet,1,0,-0.5,-0.5,535.5,1 : Black
160,24,Bet,1,2,-1,1,536.5,1 : Black
161,16,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,535.5,1 : Black
162,29,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,534.5,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
163,32,Bet,2,4,-2,2,536.5,2 : Red
164,31,Bet,1,2,-1,1,537.5,1 : Black
165,27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,538.5,1 : Red
166,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,537.5,1 : Black
167,11,Bet,1,2,-1,1,538.5,1 : Black
168,32,Bet,1,2,-1,1,539.5,1 : Red
169,1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,538.5,1 : Black
170,34,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,537.5,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
171,26,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,535.5,2 : Red
172,28,Bet,2,4,-2,2,537.5,2 : Black
173,25,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,535.5,2 : Black
174,29,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,533.5,2 : Red *2L's - Inc to 3 - switch to chop
175,6,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,530.5,3 : Red
176,28,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,527.5,3 : Red *2L's - Inc to 4 - switch to streak
177,36,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,523.5,4 : Black
178,3,Bet,4,8,-4,4,527.5,4 : Red
179,3,Bet,4,8,-4,4,531.5,4 : Red
180,23,Bet,4,8,-4,4,535.5,4 : Red
181,13,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,531.5,4 : Red
182,7,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,527.5,4 : Black *2L's - Inc to 5 - switch to chop
183,9,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,522.5,5 : Black
184,12,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,517.5,5 : Black *2L's - Inc to 6 - switch to streak
185,21,Bet,6,12,-6,6,523.5,6 : Red
186,15,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,517.5,6 : Red
187,16,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,511.5,6 : Black *2L's - Inc to 7 - switch to chop
188,22,Bet,7,14,-7,7,518.5,7 : Black
189,34,Bet,7,14,-7,7,525.5,7 : Red
190,36,Bet,7,0,-7,-7,518.5,7 : Black
191,31,Bet,7,14,-7,7,525.5,7 : Black
192,2,Bet,7,0,-7,-7,518.5,7 : Red
193,2,Bet,7,0,-7,-7,511.5,7 : Red *2L's - Inc to 8 - switch to streak
194,32,Bet,8,0,-8,-8,503.5,8 : Black
195,1,Bet,8,16,-8,8,511.5,8 : Red
196,30,Bet,8,16,-8,8,519.5,8 : Red
197,30,Bet,8,16,-8,8,527.5,8 : Red
198,7,Bet,8,16,-8,8,535.5,8 : Red *decr to 5
199,11,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,530.5,5 : Red
200,6,Bet,5,10,-5,5,535.5,5 : Black
201,31,Bet,5,10,-5,5,540.5,5 : Black *new high - reset to 1
202,2,Bet,1,2,-1,1,541.5,1 : Black
203,16,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,540.5,1 : Black
204,16,Bet,1,2,-1,1,541.5,1 : Red
205,32,Bet,1,2,-1,1,542.5,1 : Red
206,36,Bet,1,2,-1,1,543.5,1 : Red
207,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,542.5,1 : Red
208,4,Bet,1,2,-1,1,543.5,1 : Black
209,34,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,542.5,1 : Black
210,0,Bet,1,0,-0.5,-0.5,542,1 : Red
211,8,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,541,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
212,6,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,539,2 : Red
213,32,Bet,2,4,-2,2,541,2 : Red
214,16,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,539,2 : Black
215,31,Bet,2,4,-2,2,541,2 : Black
216,5,Bet,2,4,-2,2,543,2 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
217,2,Bet,1,2,-1,1,544,1 : Black
218,23,Bet,1,2,-1,1,545,1 : Red
219,1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,544,1 : Black
220,1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,543,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
221,12,Bet,2,4,-2,2,545,2 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
222,10,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,544,1 : Red
223,18,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,543,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
224,20,Bet,2,4,-2,2,545,2 : Black *EQ - reset to 1
225,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,544,1 : Red
226,32,Bet,1,2,-1,1,545,1 : Red
227,20,Bet,1,2,-1,1,546,1 : Black
228,23,Bet,1,2,-1,1,547,1 : Red
229,11,Bet,1,2,-1,1,548,1 : Black
230,5,Bet,1,2,-1,1,549,1 : Red
231,28,Bet,1,2,-1,1,550,1 : Black
232,29,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,549,1 : Red
233,6,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,548,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
234,27,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,546,2 : Black
235,9,Bet,2,4,-2,2,548,2 : Red
236,19,Bet,2,4,-2,2,550,2 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
237,1,Bet,1,2,-1,1,551,1 : Red
238,26,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,550,1 : Red
239,20,Bet,1,2,-1,1,551,1 : Black
240,23,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,550,1 : Black
241,16,Bet,1,2,-1,1,551,1 : Red
242,11,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,550,1 : Red
243,16,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,549,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
244,1,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,547,2 : Black
245,32,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,545,2 : Black *2L's - Inc to 3 - switch to streak
246,1,Bet,3,6,-3,3,548,3 : Red
247,14,Bet,3,6,-3,3,551,3 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
248,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,550,1 : Red
249,3,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,549,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
250,5,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,547,2 : Black
251,13,Bet,2,4,-2,2,549,2 : Black
252,27,Bet,2,4,-2,2,551,2 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
253,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,550,1 : Black
254,9,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,549,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
255,24,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,547,2 : Red
256,7,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,545,2 : Black *2L's - Inc to 3 - switch to chop
257,1,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,542,3 : Black
258,2,Bet,3,6,-3,3,545,3 : Black
259,17,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,542,3 : Red
260,32,Bet,3,6,-3,3,545,3 : Red
261,17,Bet,3,6,-3,3,548,3 : Black
262,27,Bet,3,6,-3,3,551,3 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
263,15,Bet,1,2,-1,1,552,1 : Black
264,1,Bet,1,2,-1,1,553,1 : Red
265,23,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,552,1 : Black
266,1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,551,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
267,13,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,549,2 : Red
268,12,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,547,2 : Black *2L's - Inc to 3 - switch to chop
269,25,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,544,3 : Black
270,7,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,541,3 : Black *2L's - Inc to 4 - switch to streak
271,22,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,537,4 : Red
272,10,Bet,4,8,-4,4,541,4 : Black
273,36,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,537,4 : Black
274,10,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,533,4 : Red *2L's - Inc to 5 - switch to chop
275,23,Bet,5,10,-5,5,538,5 : Red
276,33,Bet,5,10,-5,5,543,5 : Black
277,18,Bet,5,10,-5,5,548,5 : Red
278,22,Bet,5,10,-5,5,553,5 : Black *EQ - reset to 1
279,30,Bet,1,2,-1,1,554,1 : Red
280,5,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,553,1 : Black
281,15,Bet,1,2,-1,1,554,1 : Black
282,11,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,553,1 : Red
283,0,Bet,1,0,-0.5,-0.5,552.5,1 : Red
284,35,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,551.5,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
285,22,Bet,2,4,-2,2,553.5,2 : Black
286,0,Bet,2,0,-1,-1,552.5,2 : Black
287,13,Bet,2,4,-2,2,554.5,2 : Black *EQ - reset to 1
288,30,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,553.5,1 : Black
289,36,Bet,1,2,-1,1,554.5,1 : Red
290,3,Bet,1,2,-1,1,555.5,1 : Red
291,16,Bet,1,2,-1,1,556.5,1 : Red
292,36,Bet,1,2,-1,1,557.5,1 : Red
293,27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,558.5,1 : Red
294,30,Bet,1,2,-1,1,559.5,1 : Red
295,15,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,558.5,1 : Red
296,35,Bet,1,2,-1,1,559.5,1 : Black
297,26,Bet,1,2,-1,1,560.5,1 : Black
298,1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,559.5,1 : Black
299,23,Bet,1,2,-1,1,560.5,1 : Red
300,13,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,559.5,1 : Red
301,1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,558.5,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
302,3,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,556.5,2 : Black
303,32,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,554.5,2 : Black *2L's - Inc to 3 - switch to streak
304,7,Bet,3,6,-3,3,557.5,3 : Red
305,28,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,554.5,3 : Red
306,13,Bet,3,6,-3,3,557.5,3 : Black
307,16,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,554.5,3 : Black
308,3,Bet,3,6,-3,3,557.5,3 : Red
309,5,Bet,3,6,-3,3,560.5,3 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
310,6,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,559.5,1 : Red
311,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,558.5,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
312,31,Bet,2,4,-2,2,560.5,2 : Black *EQ - reset to 1
313,28,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,559.5,1 : Red
314,1,Bet,1,2,-1,1,560.5,1 : Red
315,12,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,559.5,1 : Black
316,5,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,558.5,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
317,26,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,556.5,2 : Red
318,4,Bet,2,4,-2,2,558.5,2 : Black
319,11,Bet,2,4,-2,2,560.5,2 : Black *EQ -reset to 1
320,3,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,559.5,1 : Black
321,33,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,558.5,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
322,25,Bet,2,4,-2,2,560.5,2 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
323,15,Bet,1,2,-1,1,561.5,1 : Black
324,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,560.5,1 : Red
325,29,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,559.5,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
326,31,Bet,2,4,-2,2,561.5,2 : Black *EQ - reset to 1
327,21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,560.5,1 : Black
328,34,Bet,1,2,-1,1,561.5,1 : Red
329,3,Bet,1,2,-1,1,562.5,1 : Red
330,22,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,561.5,1 : Red
331,15,Bet,1,2,-1,1,562.5,1 : Black
332,15,Bet,1,2,-1,1,563.5,1 : Black
333,0,Bet,1,0,-0.5,-0.5,563,1 : Black
334,21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,562,1 : Black
335,18,Bet,1,2,-1,1,563,1 : Red
336,11,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,562,1 : Red
337,6,Bet,1,2,-1,1,563,1 : Black
338,19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,562,1 : Black
339,22,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,561,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
340,35,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,559,2 : Red
341,27,Bet,2,4,-2,2,561,2 : Red
342,35,Bet,2,4,-2,2,563,2 : Black *EQ - reset to 1
343,22,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,562,1 : Red
344,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,561,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
[/table]
+61 in 344 spins
highest bet = 8
There were plenty of opportunities to end the session in profit.
Note on Spin 132 the profit is +31. Compare this to same session played earlier and posted above when playing chop/streak together at same time where the result was +20.
Seems better to play this way than just ONE SIDE or BOTH SIDES together and not too difficult or confusing to chart/record...
Comments, suggestions, improvements welcome.
A.
Yeah A. :)
As usual, what a great job !
Busy now, but i will take my time to study your example
It sounds very good to me.
Thanks for your PM and for ur commitment
:thumbsup:
Jordan69
Atlantis,
What you are proposing is a method of play that I have played numerous times. It is to play for streaks until you lose 2 (or 3 or 4) times then swith to chops until you lose 2 (or 3 or 4) times. In my experience this system seems to win a little better than just betting on one color every spin.
I have had fairly good results betting this bet selection method and playing the Trioplay system which is just a glorified Pluscoup or Oscar's Grind. The only reason Trioplay is a decent system is that it has built in brake systems which get you back to lower bets when things start getting out of control. It too can have losing sessions.
I have been thinking about a new bet system.
I just did a quick run through the 1st 160 numbers from your post above and ended up +60 units. My largest bet was 10 units.
This is nothing magical and only a little more aggressive than your system.
Bet in stages of 2's.
First bet is 1 unit. As long as you win, stay at 1 unit
Lost 1st bet, next bet is 2. Win and you're up 1 unit.
Lose and you bet 2-4. Lose twice in a row and you go to 3-6. As long as you win on the first or second spin, you keep betting at that level until you reach a new high, then re-set to 1 & 2. Any time you lose two in a row, you go to the next level.
I can see this being extended to 1-2-4, 2-4-8, 3-6-12, 4-8-16 etc... Even 1-2-4-8, 2-4-8-16, 3-6-12-24, etc...
Or Fibonacci: 1-2, 2-4, 3-6-, 5-10, 8-16, 13-26, 21-42 etc... This could get a little wild on really bad streak, but any bet system gets wild on a losing streak.
In those 159 bets there were 85 wins and 74 loses. Any betting system will win with that w/l record.
I want to find a really bad run and see how this bet system will hold up.
They all lose every now and then, just how often.
George
What has prompted you to make this latest change, Atlantis? I have been following the progress and wanted to test.
Okay, I ran the remaining 184 spins.
My system ended at +50. 87 wins vs 97 losses. This was the harder half, although still a respectable win.
Add the +60 from the first half = +110 for 344 spins.
Your system won +61 units for the 344 spins.
My largest bet was +16.
Your largest bet was +8.
Neither system was in the hole after losing the first bet.
344 Spins is about 7 hours play on a live table.
Your system took 5.6 spins to win 1 unit.
Mine took 3.1 spins per unit.
It looks like I win!!! Yahooooo
(Just kidding Victor. A. knows I'm always rational about these things, just like to kid around.)
Atlantis, I thought my system would perform better than this. But, because of the lower risk of your system, I would have to give yours the nod.
I'm still looking for a real bummer sequence where both betting systems lose to get a feel for how much more stable yours is.
The reason I don't just adopt your betting system is that I really have a patience issue. I may need counseling. I just hate sitting at a table grinding out a few units for hours on end. (I suppose $100 units could add a little spice to that grind.)
I know that I would win more, faster, by going to a 1-2-4; 2-4-8; 3-6-12 or 1-2-4-8; 2-4-8-16; 3-6-12-24 etc... bet sequence. The problem is that I also know that when I have a losing session it'll take me back a big chunk.
With a reasonable win target and stop loss, I might be better off in the long run with one of these more aggressive sequences.
Darn, it just takes so much time to test all this stuff to make a good, educated decision.
Oh well. One of my problems is all I have access to is a double zero wheel. Big disadvantage. I could take a vacation in Croatia and visit our friend Iboba. Slide on up to Slovenia and take advantage of En Prison roulette. Heck I might as well just stay in Slovenia. My wife would give her eye teeth to live there. It's a beautiful country too. Iboba can meet me at the casino for a few night sessions. But, unfortunately, no more vacations for a while.
Those of us in the US are at such a disadvantage. Hopefully, soon we'll be able to play on the internet legally here in Arizona. Till then good luck to all of you.
GLC
Quote from: Bazeegar on Sep 09, 10:39 PM 2010
What has prompted you to make this latest change, Atlantis? I have been following the progress and wanted to test.
Bazeegar,
I know you asked this of A., but if you don't mind since I'm still on the internet I'll throw in my two cents worth. I'm not completely sold on the new change. As I said above, I think his new method is a good bet selection method, but I don't know if it's better than chops and streaks. I especially want to continue testing the old way with my new betting method.
It is becoming more and more obvious that we were having some really good spin sequences early on. With some of the latest ones, I have been realizing that this is not going to be a run away best seller. I think it still has good potential, but I don't think it's going to prove to be better than, or maybe not as good as, F_LAT_INO's Random VS Random system.
I'm for sure going to test my new betting method on his system.
Please, do some testing. We could use the added input.
Thanks,
George
Hi GLC,
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I'm still looking for a real bummer sequence where both betting systems lose to get a feel for how much more stable yours is.
I'm sure it will rear its ugly head at some point suring this early testing phase
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The reason I don't just adopt your betting system is that I really have a patience issue. I may need counseling. I just hate sitting at a table grinding out a few units for hours on end. (I suppose $100 units could add a little spice to that grind.)
There must be lots of variations - and nothing is set in stone; but would be nice to find the optimum arrangement to play.
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I know that I would win more, faster, by going to a 1-2-4; 2-4-8; 3-6-12 or 1-2-4-8; 2-4-8-16; 3-6-12-24 etc... bet sequence. The problem is that I also know that when I have a losing session it'll take me back a big chunk.
Indeed. I really appreciate your ongoing investigations into the staking pattern. It is very informative and helpful.
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With a reasonable win target and stop-loss, I might be better off in the long run with one of these more aggressive sequences.
I agree a target and stop/loss are advisable. Even a stop-play rule maybe after continuous losses whilst awaiting a VIRTUAL win before resuming?
Bazeegar wrote:
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What has prompted you to make this latest change, Atlantis? I have been following the progress and wanted to test.
I still LIKE the previous way and it has merit - but can be slow and patience-testing as GLC remarked; just wanted to see how it performs using a switch. I'm not entirely sure if it will work out better than playing a single side or both sides together... Initally looks good. Just throwing it out there as an alternative and see what others think... Thanks.
A.
A.
(How do you highlight a small portion of a post so you can comment on it as in your last post?)
After doing some more testing, I have come to a preliminary conclusion that the 1-2; 2-4; 3-6; etc... progression is hard to improve on. It does go in the hole further in a bad stretch, but it comes out quicker and you win more units per spin with this one. I have noticed that compared to 1 up/ 1 down, it doesn't go as far in the hole, barely, and it recovers much faster.
The 1-2-4-8 is too cumbersome and a couple of losses close together takes a long time to recover.
1-2-3; 2-4-6; 3-6-9; etc... is less aggressive than 1-2, wins less and doesn't go as deep into the hole.
My next thought is on the fact that in a really bad sequence of spins we can get pretty deep in the hole and it can take forever to climb out. I'm think of levels of betting that become more and more aggressive as you go deeper and deeper in the hole
Say 1-2-3; 2-4-6; 3-6-9; then instead of 4-8-12; go to 5-10-15; then 7-14-21; 9-18-27; etc This will recover quickly a lot of small losses. The danger is if the losing sequence continues it will drive you deeper into the hole. That's where we have to have a stop loss. Maybe 150 or 200 units. This is the case with any progression no matter how slow. There is always an extended sequence that will cause you to bump up against a wall at some point.
We have to accept the "FACT" that we will have sessions from hell and learn how to win in spite of them.
Cheers,
George
Hi GLC,
I just cut'n'pasted your text and enclosed it with the forum "quote" open/close tags...e.g.
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This is a quote!
Now here is a *very interesting* new idea variation to try:
Single 0 (le partage)
This time we bet in the sequence CHOP/STREAK/CHOP/STREAK/CHOP/STREAK...etc starting with the formation of the first single chance formed and commencing with CHOP.
Here I am using the RED/BLACK EC.
PROGRESSION: up 1 on a loss; down 1 on a win (unless can reduce further to win +1 on next spin)
*Reset to 1 when level or ahead of current highest profit figure.
It is simple to operate, remember and chart.
Casino Wiesbaden 10 Sep 2010 - Table 9
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,=Type=,=Bet=,=Win=,Loss,=Net=,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,16,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500, Red first number - so bet B
2,4,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Black CHOP W+1
3,16,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : Black STREAK L+0
4,16,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,2 : Black CHOP L-2
5,27,Bet,3,6,-3,3,501,3 : Red STREAK W+1 *reset
6,1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : Black CHOP L+0
7,22,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,2 : Red STREAK L-2
8,3,Bet,3,6,-3,3,501,3 : Red CHOP W+1 *reset
9,34,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Red STREAK W+2
10,25,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Black CHOP L+1
11,21,Bet,2,4,-2,2,503,2 : Red STREAK W+3 *reset
12,4,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504,1 : Black CHOP W+4
13,8,Bet,1,2,-1,1,505,1 : Black STREAK W+5
14,7,Bet,1,2,-1,1,506,1 : Red CHOP W+6
15,1,Bet,1,2,-1,1,507,1 : Red STREAK W+7
16,12,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506,1 : Black CHOP L+6
17,16,Bet,2,4,-2,2,508,2 : Red STREAK W+8 *reset
18,2,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509,1 : Black CHOP W+9
19,6,Bet,1,2,-1,1,510,1 : Black STREAK W+10
[/table]
+10
Please try :)
Atlantis.
A,
Just to be clear.
You bet chop, streak, chop, streak, chop, etc without deviation.
If the last spin was a R and you are on chop, you bet B.
If the last spin was a R and you are on streak, you bet R.
If the last spin was a R and you are on streak, and you bet R and B spins your next bet is R because you have to bet for a chop.
Correct?
This for sure takes advantage of random.
Will test, but must perform some honey-doos for a while.
George
Quote from: GLC on Sep 11, 03:28 PM 2010
A,
Just to be clear.
You bet chop, streak, chop, streak, chop, etc without deviation.
If the last spin was a R and you are on chop, you bet B.
If the last spin was a R and you are on streak, you bet R.
If the last spin was a R and you are on streak, and you bet R and B spins your next bet is R because you have to bet for a chop.
Correct?
This for sure takes advantage of random.
Will test, but must perform some honey-doos for a while.
George
You got it, George. Toldya it was simple :)
A.
Here are same numbers but using *safer* 2u-2d progression with reset.
Result Bet Type +/-
===============
Red no bet
Black 1 CHOP W+1
Black 1 STREAK W+2
Black 1 CHOP L+1
Red 1 STREAK L+0
Black 2 CHOP W+2 *reset
Red 1 STREAK L+1
Red 1 CHOP L+0
Red 2 STREAK W+2 *reset
Black 1 CHOP L+1
Red 1 STREAK L+0
Black 2 CHOP W+2 *reset
Black 1 STREAK W+3
Red 1 CHOP W+4
Red 1 STREAK W+5
Black 1 CHOP W+6
Red 1 STREAK L+5
Black 1 CHOP W+6
Black 1 STREAK W+7
+7
[Edited to correct error in table - A]
A.
Tested two sessions: 2 up/ 2 down.
B NB
R Chop +1 +1 Re-set
R Streak +1 +2 Re-set
B Chop +1 +3 Re-set
B Streak +1 +4 Re-set
B Chop -1 +3
R Streak -1 +2
0 Chop -2 0
B Streak -2 -2
B Chop -3 -5
R Streak -3 -8
R Chop -4 -12
B Streak -4 -16
R Chop +5 -11
R Streak +5 -6
B Chop +4 -2
B Streak +4 +2
R Chop +3 +5 Re-set
R Streak +1 +6 Re-set
R Chop -1 +5
R Streak +1 +6 Re-set
R Chop -1 +5
R Streak +1 +6 Re-set
R Chop -1 +5
B Streak -1 +4
B Streak +2 +6 Re-set
B Chop -1 +5
B Streak +1 +6 Re-set
B Chop -1 +5
B Streak +1 +6 Re-set
B Chop -1 +5
R Streak -1 +4
R Chop -2 +2
R Streak +2 +4
R Chop -2 +2
R Streak +2 +4
B Chop +2 +6 Re-set
R Streak -1 +5
B Chop -1 +4
R Streak -2 +2
B Chop +2 +4
R Streak -2 +2
B Chop +2 +4
R Streak -2 +2
B Chop +2 +4
R Streak -2 +2
B Chop +2 +4
R Streak -2 +2
B Chop +2 +4
B Streak +2 +6 Re-set
B Chop -1 +5
R Streak -1 +4
B Chop +2 +6 Re-set
Hard fought session, but still came out ahead. This was one of my old sessions I pulled out to see how it would do in comparison. Note the streak of 13 chops in a row toward the end. This kept taking us around in a circle.
At least we didn't lose.
George
Second session played on single zero, Betvoyager.
B No Bet
R Chop +1 +1 Re-set
B Streak -1 0
R Ch +1 +1 Re-set
R St +1 +2 Re-set
B Ch +1 +3 Re-set
B St +1 +4 Re-set
B Ch -1 +3
R St -1 +2
B Ch +2 +4 Re-set
B St +1 +5 Re-set
B Ch -1 +4
R St -1 +3
R Ch -2 +1
B St -2 -1
B Ch -3 -4
R St -3 -7
B Ch +4 -3
B St +4 +1
B Ch -3 -2
B St +3 +1
B Ch -3 -2
R St -3 -5
B Ch +4 -1
R St -4 -5
R Ch -4 -9
R St +5 -4
B Ch +5 +1
B St +4 +5 Re-set
R Ch +1 +6 Re-set
B St -1 +5
B Ch -1 +4
R St -2 +2
R Ch -2 0
B St -3 -3
R Ch +3 0
B St -3 -3
B Ch -3 -6
B St +4 -2
R Ch +4 +2
B St -3 -1
R Ch +3 +2
B St -3 -1
B Ch -3 -4
R St -4 -8
B Ch +4 -4
R St -4 -8
R Ch -4 -12
R St +5 -7
B Ch +5 -2
R St -4 -6
B Ch +4 -2
B St +4 +2
R Ch +3 +5
0 St -3 +2
R Ch -3 -1
B St -4 -5
R Ch +4 -1
B St -4 -5
R Ch +4 -1
B St -4 -5
R Ch +4 -1
R St +4 +3
B Ch +3 +6 Re-set
B St +1 +7 Re-set
B Ch -1 +6
B St +1 +7 Re-set
R Ch +1 +8 Re-set
R St +1 +9 Re-set
B Ch +1 +10 Re-set
B St +1 +11 Re-set
B Ch -1 +10
B St +1 +11 Re-set
R Ch +1 +12 Re-set
R St +1 +13 Re-set
R Ch -1 +12
R St +1 +14 Re-set
B Ch +1 +15 Re-set
B St +1 +16 Re-set
0 Ch -1 +15
R St -1 +14
B Ch +2 +16 Re-set
R St -1 +15
B Ch +1 +16 Re-set
R St -1 +15
R Ch -1 +14
R St +2 +16 Re-set
B Ch +1 +17 Re-set
Seems to work pretty well.
I'll keep testing till we find that losing streak and see what it takes to kill it.
George
sorry but ive just jumped on to this had a quick read of whats been going on
seems pretty nice results so far :thumbsup:
just wondering whats the progression we are using do we have a final one or not?
Quote from: StackBundles on Sep 11, 08:53 PM 2010
Sorry but I've just jumped on to this had a quick read of what's been going on
seems pretty nice results so far :thumbsup:
just wondering what's the progression we are using do we have a final one or not?
Stack,
Good to have you considering helping us with system. If you start at the top you'll see that we have been around the block a time or two. Right now we are looking at a new bet selection.
Just playing chop,streak,chop,streak,chop,ad infinitum.
Atlantis is betting lose 2 in a row increase bet by 1. Win 2 in a row decrease bet by 1.
I have been testing 1-2, then 2-4, then 3-6, then etc...
In other words, bet 1 if you lose then bet 2. As long as you win at 1 or 2 you keep betting at this level.
When you lose a 2 unit bet, you go to the next level which is 2-4. You bet 2 and if you lose you bet 4. If you win at 4 you return to 2 and keep playing at this level until you either lose two in a row or reach a new high. Then you reset.
Every time you lose 2 in a row, you move to the next higher level. You never return to a lower level unless you reach a new high.
It's a little more aggressive than 2up/2down, but wins more for the same spins. It does take you a little deeper on a losing streak, but isn't such a grind.
One thing I've noticed is that any of these variations on the D'Alembert bet progressions win during the same streaks and lose during the same streaks. They just go deeper when losing and a little higher when winning.
Chose to fit your personality. If I remember right, you like to play a little more aggressively.
Cheers,
George
Okay Guys, my final post of the day.
I knew this latest tweak rang a bell. I just remembered where I had seen this bet selection method before. It's the Author's system on page 80-84 of the "Monte Carlo Anectdotes". Instead of calling it chops vs streaks, he calls it same vs opposite. Go read it, it's an excellent outline of the system.
He recommends betting 1-2-3-6 and on 4 losses in a row, start over with 1. He points out that the only sequence that can cause you to lose 4 in a row is entering the dreaded doubles on the wrong step. If you enter them on the right step, you'll win every spin. If you enter on the wrong step and lose 4 times in a row, just start over betting on the same color as the last one and you'll be on the winning side if the doubles continue. Of course zero adds another element of complication to the mix.
It's about as safe of a progression as you can come up with.
Cheers,
George
Hi All
This post just caught my eye this morning...
sorry i have not been able to help/comment any sooner
did a very short test on smart live casino...
START BALANCE = Ã,£1000
SMART LIVE CASINO
AUTO WHEEL (AIR) (LOW LIMIT)
B NO BET
R CHOP +1 +1 (RESET)
B STREAK -1 0
R CHOP +4 +2
B STREAK -1 +1
R CHOP +4 +3
R STREAK +1 +4
B CHOP +1 +5
B STREAK +1 +6
*** ZERO *** -1 +5
B NO BET - DUE TO ZERO
R CHOP +4 +7
B STREAK -1 +6
WITH REGARDS TO THE ZERO? HOW DO YOU GUYS PLAY IT? I CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THE BEST POLICY WAS TO WAIT FOR THE NEXT NUMBER AND THEN CONTINUE FROM THERE USING THE OPPOSITE OF THE LAST BET ... I.E. CHOP OR A STREAK ... YOU WILL SEE WHAT I MEAN FROM THE NUMBERS ABOVE.
Sorry for the capitals... just noticed.
i will be helping test this idea much more in the future...
i was using the above progression posted by glc in the last post before this one.
looks very promising indeed guys ... not only are you catching a choppy table, but you should also catch streaky ones too i.e. RRRRBRRRRRBBBBBBBB.
Hi Fraudster,
Welcome to you for joining in and I am pleased you think it of any interest.
With regards to ZERO; I usually ignore and carry on from the previous number, but it is really a matter of personal preference... e.g.: if you were losing you may decide to WAIT for another number to occur after the ZERO before resuming betting on the opposite to the the last type of bet. (and at least it avoids the possibility of being hit by a double 0!)
Of course there is no zero "le partage" concession (half stakes return) with that particular Casino.
Thanks,
A.
Casino Spielbank, Wiesbaden 11 Sep 2010 - Table 8
Tested using 2u-2d with reset
I decided to stop after 49 spins (abt. 55mins-1hr real-time play)
Result:
+8 in 49 spins
Max Drawdown=6
Highest Bet=3
Playing 2u-2d without resetting to 1 when level or ahead results in +12 in 49 spins
A.
Quote from: Fraudster on Sep 12, 04:21 AM 2010
Hi All
i will be helping test this idea much more in the future...
i was using the above progression posted by glc in the last post before this one.
looks very promising indeed guys ... not only are you catching a choppy table, but you should also catch streaky ones too i.e. RRRRBRRRRRBBBBBBBB.
Fraudster,
Thanks for jumping on board with us.
How you treat the zero is up to you. I usually just count it as one of the chops or streaks whatever it hits on. In the long run I don't think it will matter much.
If you get a chance, Google "Monte Carlo Anecdotes" and go to page 80 and read what the author has to say about this bet selection. You'll find it informative.
LOL,
George
Casino Spielbank, Wiesbaden 11 Sep 2010 - Table 9
Playing 2u-2d (without reset)
Result:
+20 in 57 spins
max drawdown=20
highest bet=5
Without reset means:
When 2 consecutive wins are gained, I reduce by 1 unit as the "2u-2d" says and continue play at that amount even if I have reached level or a new profit high... (unless I am currently playing at the 1 unit level - in which case I stay at 1 unit)
A.
so whats everybody total with wins and losses its still way in profit right?
Quote from: StackBundles on Sep 12, 11:37 AM 2010
So what's everybody total with wins and losses its still way in profit right?
Hello Stackbundles!
Stack, So far.. So good... (in initial tests that is)
I would advocate you conduct your own personal test to verify (or negate) the strength of this approach and be your own judge as to its worth. Everyone is happy to read any findings you may discover or encounter in this regard be they positive or negative.
Although my confidence is growing I would refrain from playing with any real monies just yet until a more extensive/exhaustive test is completed...
It's not a bad bet for an EC bet... and the 2u-2d prog seems to suit but, as said, it is still a little early to take to Casino without knowing it is a consistent and winning strategy... :)
Cheers,
A.
i wouldnt put real money on untill i know what im up against id like to try this with bacarat i think it might be alot stronger on that but also use it on roulette
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 12, 11:57 AM 2010
Hello Stackbundles!
Stack, So far.. So good... (in initial tests that is)
I would advocate you conduct your own personal test to verify (or negate) the strength of this approach and be your own judge as to its worth. Everyone is happy to read any findings you may discover or encounter in this regard be they positive or negative.
Although my confidence is growing I would refrain from playing with any real monies just yet until a more extensive/exhaustive test is completed...
It's not a bad bet for an EC bet... and the 2u-2d prog seems to suit but, as said, it is still a little early to take to Casino without knowing it is a consistent and winning bet... :)
Cheers,
A.
Well and fairly said,Atlantis.
Quote from: StackBundles on Sep 12, 12:00 PM 2010
I wouldnt put real money on until I know what I'm up against id like to try this with bacarat I think it might be a lot stronger on that but also use it on roulette
This is my thought exactly StackBundles. Playing and even chance game without the bothersome zeros seems to make a lot of sense.
George
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 12, 11:34 AM 2010
Casino Spielbank, Wiesbaden 11 Sep 2010 - Table 9
Playing 2u-2d (without reset)
Result:
+20 in 57 spins
max drawdown=20
highest bet=5
Without reset means:
When 2 consecutive wins are gained, I reduce by 1 unit as the "2u-2d" says and continue play at that amount even if I have reached level or a new profit high... (unless I am currently playing at the 1 unit level - in which case I stay at 1 unit)
A.
Atlantis,
I like this new twist on the progression.
I was noticing that continuing to decrease during a win streak was costing us a lot of units. I know there is the down side of a losing streak instead of wins, but nothing's ever perfect.
The one thing I wish we could overcome by betting 1-1,2-2,3-3 etc... When we are having an extended WLWLWLWLWLetc... series, if we were betting 1-2, we would be gaining a unit on each win instead of staying at the same place. That's why I thought of the 1-2,2-4, 3-6 ect... I have been testing 1-2, 2-3, 3-4,4-5 etc... to catch these units on the W/L sequences and it seems to be working without driving losing streaks too deep in the hole.
Cheers,
George
Hi,
Another way (and I just post this because I thought of it right now and didn't want to forget) is to play the chop/streak strategy on paper until 2 virtual losses and then jump in and play 2u-2d until level or in profit or UNTIL 2 further L's.... After which cease play and continue recording virtual results until 2 further virtual L's which is the trigger to bet (at +1 unit if necessary)
Here I demonstrate with GLC's earlier results he posted.
# Type Res +/-
=================
B No Bet - 0
R Chop W
B Streak L
R Ch W
R St W
B Ch W
B St W
B Ch L
R St L
B Ch W+1 +1 *reset
B St W
B Ch L
R St L
R Ch L-1 +0
B St L-1 -1 *Incr to 2
B Ch L
R St L
B Ch W+2 +1 *reset
B St W
B Ch L
B St W
B Ch L
R St L
B Ch W+1 +2 *reset
R St L
R Ch L
R St W+1 +3 *reset
B Ch W
B St W
R Ch W
B St L
B Ch L
R St L-1 +2
R Ch L-1 +1 *Incr to 2
B St L
R Ch W
B St L
B Ch L
B St W+2 +3 *reset
R Ch W
B St L
R Ch W
B St L
B Ch L
R St L-1 +2
B Ch W+1 +3 *reset
R St L
R Ch L
R St W+1 +4 *reset
B Ch W
R St L
B Ch W
B St W
R Ch W
0 St L
R Ch L
B St L-1 +3
R Ch W+1 +4 *reset
B St L
R Ch W
B St L
R Ch W
R St W
B Ch W
B St W
B Ch L
B St W
R Ch W
R St W
B Ch W
B St W
B Ch L
B St W
R Ch W
R St W
R Ch L
R St W
B Ch W
B St W
0 Ch L
R St L
B Ch W+1 +5 *reset
R St L
B Ch W
R St L
R Ch L
R St W+1 +6 *reset
B Ch W
+6u profit.
Highest bet=2
Regards,
A.
PS. Just posted this as a "notebook memo" really in case reference needed later.
Quote from: atlantis on Sep 12, 02:12 PM 2010
Hi,
Another way (and I just post this because I thought of it right now and didn't want to forget) is to play the chop/streak strategy on paper until 2 virtual losses and then jump in and play 2u-2d until level or in profit or UNTIL 2 further L's.... After which cease play and continue recording virtual results until 2 further virtual L's which is the trigger to bet (at +1 unit if necessary)
Here I demonstrate with GLC's earlier results he posted.
yeh that sounds good maybe try it soon as ive played normal for abit
but my first session
in 10 spins was +6
going to play some more
just shows you when you get on at the right time you get quick profit
c +1
s 0
c -1
s +2
c +3
s +2
c +3
s +2
c +3
s +4
c +5
s +6
c +7
s +6
c +7
s +8
c +9
s +8
i was just thinking maybe it wont make a difference but have we looked at what the best pattern to start our first bet off with like
bbb
rrbbr
bbrrr
brbrbrb
maybe worth looking at
Quote from: StackBundles on Sep 12, 04:38 PM 2010
I was just thinking maybe it wont make a difference but have we looked at what the best pattern to start our first bet off with like
bbb
rrbbr
bbrrr
brbrbrb
maybe worth looking at
I think you're right Stack. There are definitely winning and losing sequences and the difference from one to the other is to be on the opposite chop/streak pattern.
We might also need to decide if and when we may need to bet two chops or streaks in a row so as to jump off a losing pattern onto the winning pattern.
Lot's of tests needed to fine tune this thing.
G
424 SPIN TRIGGERS RBB BRR, AFTER RBB I STARTED BETTING FOR A RUN AND THEN CHANGE ,
-6 IN A ROW ONCE. I WILL do some more testing with those triggers.cheers w.
368 spin -6 once.
Quote from: warrior on Sep 12, 10:37 PM 2010
424 SPIN TRIGGERS RBB BRR, AFTER RBB I STARTED BETTING FOR A RUN AND THEN CHANGE ,
-6 IN A ROW ONCE. I WILL do some more testing with those triggers.cheers w.
368 spin -6 once.
I don't really think it matters too much about the triggers to commence bet or whether you start with chop or streak.... Myself I like to wait for the single formation of a color and then start betting with CHOP.
Sorry, not sure what do you mean -6 in a row, Warrior?
As regards safer "trigger" idea see my latest mod to bet after 2 virtual L's and stop after 2 virtual L's.
A.
THE -6 IN A ROW is if you were to wait for those triggers the doubles would be the losing sequence in the monte carlo bookl,last page on the author system those would be the worst case ,so i thought why not start from there,thats where the -6 comes from starting from TRIGGER. rbb then this would be the killer seq. RBB -
RR BB RR.
-6
Atlantis, Warrior, Stack and others,
I was just perusing over at "NumerisEnvoys.com" under Roulette Systems, IBS9 system by our buddy Izak Mataya. Now most of his stuff is a loser overall, but so is everybody Else's.
Nevertheless, there's always a chance you might read something that is worth incorporating in another context that may move you down the road a piece. You have to download it to read it, but it's easy enough.
This system is developed for baccarat but can be played on any even chance bet like roulette. He has some interesting ideas like betting Red and Black under separate banks. I was thinking of seeing how this might work by separating Red, Black and Chops all under separate banks. You don't bet them simultaneous, rather one at a time, but each has it's own bank.
The idea he presents of dividing R and B into single mode vs multiple mode is interesting also. Even his idea of betting 2 unit until a certain event arrives at which time you bet any and all units in the hole for a 1 time shot at getting back to even.
Just some different thoughts on an old game.
George
George my friend,
I have follow this thread with a great interest,but purposely
didn't wish to interfere cause any idea on the matter wouldn't
be nothing NEW,therefore couldn't contribute in a real way.
But don't lose a faith.You are a great fighter,together with Atlantis.Good on yas.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Sep 13, 05:20 PM 2010
George my friend,
I have follow this thread with a great interest,but purposely
didn't wish to interfere cause any idea on the matter wouldn't
be nothing NEW,therefore couldn't contribute in a real way.
But don't lose a faith.You are a great fighter,together with Atlantis.Good on yas.
Hey guys,
I'm not giving up on this system.
My A.D.D. has kicked in and I'm looking at Cubanopro's system. It is very similar to The Zone and my system "Miss 5 or More, hit 2 in 4", but maybe based on better math.
George
Quote from: GLC on Sep 15, 05:27 PM 2010
Hey guys,
I'm not giving up on this system.
My A.D.D. has kicked in and I'm looking at Cubanopro's system. It is very similar to The Zone and my system "Miss 5 or More, hit 2 in 4", but maybe based on better math.
George
Hi George, F_LAT_INO
Neither am I giving up.
Here is a long session from 12 Sep Wiesbaden Table 8
Here I STOP after losing the 2nd bet of 3 (or multiples thereof) and switch the pattern from "ch;st" to "st;ch" and vice versa:
7 nb
28 ch W1 +1*
18 st L1 +0
24 ch W1 +1
20 st W1 +2*
10 ch L1 +1
4 st W1 +2
5 ch W1 +3*
14 st W1 +4*
13 ch W1 +5*
3 st L1 +4
30 ch L1 +3
19 st W2 +5*
4 ch W1 +6*
25 st L1 +5
11 ch W1 +6*
26 st W1 +7*
22 ch L1 +6
12 st L1 +5
25 ch W2 +7*
4 st L1 +6
15 ch L1 +5
31 st W2 +7*
17 ch L1 +6
21 st L1 +5
34 ch L2 +3
23 st W2 +5
21 ch L2 +3
30 st W2 +5
2 ch W2 +7*
33 st W1 +8*
8 ch L1 +7
34 st L1 +6
3 ch L2 +4
29 st L2 +2
26 ch L3 -1
35 st W3 +2
1 ch W3 +4
36 st W2 +6
36 ch L2 +4
16 st W2 +6
0======+5
23 ch L2 +3
29 st L2 +1
16 ch W3 +4
31 st L3 +1
4 ch L3 -2 *lost 3 - switch
3 ch W4 +2
30 st W4 +6
19 ch L3 +3
9 st W3 +6
4 ch W3 +9*
28 st W1 +10*
0======+9.5
33 ch L1 +8.5
23 st L1 +7.5
8 ch W2 +9.5
28 st W2 +11.5*
25 ch W1 +12.5*
30 st W1 +13.5*
24 ch W1 +14.5*
20 st W1 +15.5*
11 ch L1 +14.5
22 st W1 +15.5*
28 ch L1 +14.5
12 st L1 +13.5
6 ch W2 +15.5*
17 st W1 +16.5*
32 ch W1 +17.5*
19 st W1 +18.5*
12 ch L1 +17.5
16 st W1 +18.5*
9 ch L1 +17.5
8 st L1 +16.5
22 ch L2 +14.5
1 st L2 +12.5
36 ch L3 +9.5
22 st L3 +6.5 *lost 3 - switch
32 st W4 +10.5
7 ch L4 +6.5
8 st L4 +2.5
11 ch L5 -2.5
24 st W5 +2.5
12 ch W5 +7.5
15 st L4 +3.5
23 ch W4 +7.5
16 st W4 +11.5
35 ch W3 +14.5
25 st W3 +17.5
7 ch L2 +15.5
28 st L2 +13.5
15 ch L3 +10.5
34 st W3 +13.5
26 ch W3 +16.5
8 st W2 +18.5*
29 ch L1 +17.5
22 st W1 +18.5*
7 ch W1 +19.5*
16 st W1 +20.5*
35 ch W1 +21.5*
11 st W1 +22.5*
22 ch L1 +21.5
30 st L1 +20.5
2 ch W2 +22.5*
20 st W1 +23.5*
4 ch W1 +24.5*
18 st L1 +23.5
10 ch W1 +24.5*
12 st L1 +23.5
2 ch W1 +24.5*
13 st W1 +25.5*
1 ch W1 +26.5*
5 st W1 +27.5*
27 ch L1 +26.5
21 st W1 +27.5*
22 ch W1 +28.5*
18 st L1 +27.5
23 ch L1 +26.5
36 st W2 +28.5*
34 ch L1 +27.5
13 st L1 +26.5
23 ch W2 +28.5*
35 st L1 +27.5
10 ch L1 +26.5
27 st L2 +24.5
25 ch L2 +22.5
18 st W3+25.5
7 ch L3 +22.5
26 st L3 +19.5 * lost 3 - switch
7 st L4 +15.5
26 ch W4 +19.5
23 st L4 +15.5
36 ch L5 +10.5
2 st L5 +5.5
6 ch L6 -0.5
2 st W6 +5.5
9 ch W6 +11.5
29 st L5 +6.5
15 ch L5 +1.5
2 st W6 +7.5
5 ch W6 +13.5
15 st L5 +8.5
35 ch L5 +3.5
33 st W6 +9.5
32 ch W6 +15.5
19 st W5 +20.5
11 ch W5 +25.5
20 st W4 +29.5*
11 ch L1 +28.5
33 st W1 +29.5*
17 ch L1 +28.5
10 st W1 +29.5*
11 ch L1 +28.5
14 st L1 +27.5
29 ch W2 +29.5*
0=======+29
23 st L1 +28
8 ch W1 +29
21 st L1 +28
31 ch L1 +27
34 st L2 +25
14 ch L2 +23
27 st W3 +26
16 ch L3 +23
34 st W3 +26
7 ch L3 +23
15 st L3 +20 * lost 3 - switch
5 st L4 +16
18 ch L4 +12
16 st W5 +17
36 ch L5 +12
7 st W5 +17
19 ch L5 +12
8 st L5 +7
34 ch W6 +13
20 st L6 +7
17 ch L6 +1 lost 3 - switch
7 ch W7 +8
13 st L7 +1
22 ch L7 -6
1 st L8 -14
15 ch W8 -6
6 st W8 +2
27 ch W7 +9
9 st W7 +16
24 ch W6 +22
6 st W6 +28
19 ch W5 +33*
19 st W1 +34*
36 ch L1 +33
34 st W1 +34
26 ch W1 +35*
31 st W1 +36*
20 ch L1 +35
33 st W1 +36*
16 ch W1 +37*
16 st W1 +38*
36 ch L1 +37
22 st L1 +36
29 ch L2 +34
3 st L2 +32
27 ch L3 +29
0======+27.5
23 st W3 +30.5
6 ch W3 +33.5
15 st W2 +35.5
8 ch L2 +33.5
21 st L2 +31.5
30 ch L3 +28.5
18 st W3 +31.5
11 ch W3 +34.5
17 st W2 +36.5*
22 ch L2 +34.5
0======+33.5
21 st L2 +31.5
30 ch L3 +28.5
31 st L3 +25.5 *lost 3 - switch
19 st L4 +21.5
32 ch L4 +17.5
6 st L5 +12.5
22 ch L5 +7.5
4 st W6 +13.5
30 ch W6 +19.5
26 st L5 +14.5
19 ch W5 +19.5
19 st W5 +24.5
16 ch L4 +20.5
2 st L4 +16.5
8 ch L5 +11.5
29 st W5 +16.5
18 ch W5 +21.5
34 st W4 +25.5
12 ch L4 +21.5
26 st L4 +16.5
9 ch W5 +21.5
36 st W5 +26.5
20 ch W4 +30.5
17 st W4 +34.5
33 ch L3 +31.5
24 st W3 +34.5
33 ch L3 +31.5
10 st W3 +34.5
14 ch W3 +37.5
16 st W2 +39.5*
6 ch W1 +40.5*
24 st W1 +41.5*
2 ch L1 +40.5
24 st W1 +41.5*
7 ch W1 +42.5*
16 st W1 +43.5*
13 ch W1 +44.5*
32 st L1 +43.5
12 ch L1 +42.5
3 st W2 +44.5*
3 ch L1 +43.5
2 st L1 +42.5
15 ch L2 +40.5
2 st W2 +42.5
19 ch W2 +44.5*
23 st W1 +45.5*
28 ch W1 +46.5*
2 st W1 +47.5*
21 ch W1 +48.5*
4 st L1 +47.5
34 ch W1 +48.5*
18 st W1 +49.5*
36 ch L1 +48.5
9 st W1 +49.5*
10 ch W1 +50.5*
20 st W1 +51.5*
19 ch W1 +52.5*
27 st W1 +53.5*
20 ch W1 +54.5*
28 st W1 +55.5*
23 ch W1 +56.5*
11 st L1 +55.5
34 ch W1 +56.5*
1 st W1 +57.5*
7 ch L1 +56.5
6 st L1 +55.5
18 ch W2 +57.5*
32 st W1 +58.5*
22 ch W1 +59.5*
7 st L1 +58.5
1 ch L1 +57.5
28 st L2 +55.5
15 ch L2 +53.5
35 st W3 +56.5
33 ch L3 +53.5
11 st W3 +56.5
22 ch L3 +53.5
17 st W3 +56.5
11 ch L3 +53.5
15 st W3 +56.5
8 ch L3 +53.5
26 st W3 +56.5
26 ch L3 +53.5
6 st W3 +56.5
31 ch L3 +53.5
36 st L3 +50.5 *lost 3 - switch
9 st W4 +54.5
13 ch W4 +58.5
8 st W3 +61.5*
7 ch W1 +62.5*
36 st W1 +63.5*
19 ch L1 +62.5
4 st L1 +61.5
2 ch L2 +59.5
28 st W2 +61.5
24 ch L2 +59.5
3 st L2 +57.5
33 ch W3 +60.5
30 st W3 +63.5*
15 ch W1 +64.5*
29 st W1 +65.5*
32 ch W1 +66.5*
22 st L1 +65.5
29 ch L1 +64.5
10 st W2 +66.5*
33 ch L1 +65.5
30 st L1 +64.5
34 ch L2 +62.5
32 st W2 +64.5
33 ch W2 +66.5*
6 st W1 +67.5*
36 ch W1 +68.5*
11 st L1 +67.5
6 ch L1 +66.5
21 st L2 +64.5
35 ch W2 +66.5
6 st W2 +68.5*
24 ch L1 +67.5
19 st L1 +66.5
10 ch W2 +68.5*
17 st W1 +69.5*
26 ch W1 +70.5*
13 st W1 +71.5*
4 ch L1 +70.5
36 st L1 +69.5
23 ch L2 +67.5
25 st W2 +69.5
21 ch L2 +67.5
12 st W2 +69.5
4 ch W2 +71.5*
35 st W1 +72.5*
32 ch W1 +73.5*
32 st W1 +74.5*
20 ch W1 +75.5*
36 st L1 +74.5
1 ch L1 +73.5
33 st L2 +71.5
11 ch L2 +69.5
6 st W3 +72.5
33 ch L3 +69.5
24 st W3 +72.5
28 ch L3 +69.5
26 st W3 +72.5
26 ch L3 +69.5
21 st L3 +66.5 *lost 3 - switch
5 st W4 +70.5
25 ch L4 +66.5
5 st W4 +70.5
13 ch W4 +74.5
26 st W4 +78.5*
4 ch L1 +77.5
21 st L1 +76.5
14 ch L2 +74.5
15 st L2 +72.5
19 ch W3 +75.5
7 st W3 +78.5*
26 ch W1 +79.5*
24 st W1 +80.5*
5 ch W1 +81.5*
21 st W1 +82.5*
31 ch W1 +83.5*
10 st W1 +84.5*
32 ch W1 +85.5*
8 st L1 +84.5
14 ch W1 +85.5*
31 st L1 +84.5
6 ch L1 +83.5
25 st L2 +81.5
20 ch W2 +83.5
24 st W2 +85.5*
18 ch W1 +86.5*
33 st L1 +85.5
13 ch L1 +84.5
16 st L2 +82.5
12 ch L2 +80.5
0======+79
5 st W3 +82
27 ch W3 +85
34 st W3 +88*
7 ch L1 +87
15 st L1 +86
5 ch W2 +88*
11 st L1 +87
22 ch L1 +86
14 st L2 +84
12 ch L2 +82
10 st L3 +79
32 ch W3 +82
3 st W3 +85
23 ch L2 +83
6 st L2 +81
0======79.5
21 ch W3 +82.5
23 st W3 +85.5
22 ch W2 +87.5
11 st W2 +89.5*
19 ch W1 +90.5*
7 st W1 +91.5*
36 ch L1 +90.5
34 st W1 +91.5*
35 ch W1 +92.5*
22 st W1 +93.5*
29 ch L1 +92.5
1 st L1 +91.5
24 ch W2 +93.5*
18 st L1 +92.5
26 ch W1 +93.5*
2 st W1 +94.5
23 ch W1+95.5*
27 st W1 +96.5*
8 ch W1 +97.5*
11 st W1 +98.5*
1 ch W1 +99.5*
25 st W1 +100.5*
14 ch L1 +99.5
33 st L1 +98.5
14 ch W2 +100.5*
26 st L1 +99.5
7 ch W1 +100.5*
35 st L1 +99.5
16 ch W1 +100.5*
17 st L1 +99.5
14 ch W1 +100.5*
3 st W1 +101.5*
1 ch L1 +100.5
17 st L1 +99.5
11 ch L2 +97.5
9 st L2 +95.5
35 ch W3 +98.5
19 st L3 +95.5
13 ch L3 +92.5 *3 lost - switch
13 ch L4 +88.5
7 st L4 +84.5
22 ch L5 +79.5
28 st W5 +84.5
5 ch W5 +89.5
31 st L4 +85.5
15 ch L4 +81.5
36 st L5 +76.5
15 ch L5 +71.5
12 st L6 +65.5
23 ch L6 +61.5 *3 lost - switch
27 ch L7 +53.5
15 st L7 +46.5
31 ch L8 +38.5
22 st W8 +46.5
30 ch W8 +54.5
4 st L7 +47.5
30 ch W7 +54.5
1 st W7 +61.5
17 ch W6 +67.5
35 st W6 +73.5
3 ch W5 +78.5
36 st W5 +83.5
5 ch L4 +79.5
15 st L4 +75.5
3 ch W5 +80.5
3 st W5 +85.5
30 ch L4 +81.5
19 st W4 +85.5
30 ch L4 +81.5
26 st L4 +76.5
35 ch L5 +71.5
31 st W5 +76.5
30 ch W5 +81.5
31 st L4 +76.5
31 ch L4 +72.5
21 st L5 +67.5
24 ch W5 +72.5
2 st W5 +77.5
18 ch W4 +81.5
36 st L4 +77.5
2 ch W4 +81.5
17 st W4 +85.5
25 ch W3 +88.5
16 st W3 +91.5
0======+90.5
8 ch W2 +92.5
4 st W2 +94.5
11 ch L1 +93.5
11 st W1 +94.5
7 ch W1 +95.5
10 st L1 +94.5
33 ch L1 +93.5
23 st L2 +91.5
11 ch W2 +93.5
17 st W2 +95.5
34 ch W1 +96.5
5 st W1 +97.5
7 ch L1 +96.5
18 st W1 +97.5
12 ch L1 +96.5
19 st W1 +97.5
23 ch L1 +96.5
3 st W1 +97.5
4 ch W1 +98.5
3 st L1 +97.5
2 ch W1 +98.5
34 st L1 +97.5
28 ch W1 +98.5
26 st W1 +99.5
21 ch W1 +100.5
22 st L1 +99.5
7 ch W1 +100.5
4 st L1 +99.5
34 ch W1 +100.5
25 st W1 +101.5*
24 ch W1 +102.5*
7 st L1 +101.5
26 ch W1 +102.5*
20 st W1 +103.5*
11 ch L1 +102.5
30 st L1 +101.5
30 ch L2 +99.5
1 st W2 +101.5
17 ch W2 +103.5*
28 st W1 +104.5*
32 ch W1 +105.5*
23 st W1 +106.5*
33 ch W1 +107.5*
1 st L1 +106.5
35 ch W1 +107.5*
26 st W1 +108.5*
9 ch W1 +109.5*
24 st L1 +108.5
20 ch L1 +107.5
23 st L2 +105.5
8 ch W2 +107.5
28 st W2 +109.5*
33 ch L1 +108.5
33 st W1 +109.5*
17 ch L1 +108.5
13 st W1 +109.5*
4 ch L1 +108.5
23 st L1 +107.5
5 ch L2 +105.5
28 st L2 +103.5
26 ch L3 +100.5
29 st W3 +103.5
29 ch L3 +100.5
21 st L3 +97.5 *lost 3 - switch
33 st L4 +93.5
24 ch L4 +89.5
16 st L5 +84.5
7 ch L5 +79.5
29 st L5 +74.5
23 ch W5 +79.5
33 st L5 +74.5
10 ch L5 +69.5
30 st L6 +63.5
28 ch W6 +69.5
3 st L6 +63.5
12 ch L6 +57.5 *lost 3 - switch
22 ch W7 +64.5
0=======+61
21 st L7 +54
22 ch W7 +61
22 st W7 +68
28 ch W6+74
END OF SPINS
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I know that you were just testing an extended series of spins to see how the system performs. Since we are not resetting back to 1 after a 4 bet series, I'm not sure if it matters to switch from ch/st to st/ch. I was looking at your wins vs losses after a switch and it didn't seem to have that much effect for the next 10 decisions. Although, it didn't hurt it may just be another complication to playing the system.
I think that for any system that we play, we should have a buffer factor built in for losses. Meaning that we should never limit our wins, only our losses.
Example: If we set a win target of 100, we should shoot for 100 but continue to play as long as we are continuing to win. If we ever drop back 10%, that's when we stop. So if we hit 100, we keep playing unless we drop back to 90 at which point we stop and take our wins. If we keep winning and go on to say 130, then we stop if we lose 10% of 130 so we would stop if we lost back to 117. This insures that on a lucky streak, we take advantage of it.
Another example: In your last post of 600+ spins, if you had a win target of 60 units, with a drop dead win of +54 (60-10%) you would have kept playing and finally reached 100+ with a drop dead target of 90 which you would have hit and walked away with +90 units instead of +74 and saved a lot of time.
I know most of us don't need this kind of reminder, but there may be new members reading and this kind of help can mean the difference between winning and losing.
G
George my friend,
EC bets are only for very experienced and patient players/
not underestimate other players/who are capable of breaking
a night session into 10-15 smaller sessions,swapping all kind of
EC approaches,knowing it all in your head/like a morning prayer/
and attack at the right time....sometime miss..sometimes not..
more NOT then MISS.....EN PRISON.
Another idea/variation
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Chop/Streak pattern + FTL/DBL pattern in tandem!
Single 0 with le partage
Ignore 0
Progression on both sides:
+1 on a loss
-1 on a win
Reset to 1 on both sides when level or plus.
Betting the difference when applicable.
No Bet if stake is same on both patterns.
Start when single formation of an EC.
Start with CHOP and FTL FIRST!
Look at last 2 numbers to make first decision
#spun ch/st ftl/dbl +/-
3
3
17 - single formed BLACK EC so now can begin
10 ch 1R L ftl 1B W nb
4 st 2B W dbl 1B W +3 *RESET
7 ch 1R W ftl 1B L nb
34 st 1R W dbl 2B L +2 - betting difference
18 ch 1B L ftl 3R W +4 *RESET
7 st 1R W dbl 1R W +6 *RESET
32 ch 1R L ftl 1R L +4
3 st 2R W dbl 2R W +8 *RESET
3 ch 1R L ftl 1R L +6
10 st 2R L dbl 2R L +4
26 ch 3R L ftl 3B W nb
36 st 4B L dbl 2B L -2
30 ch 5B L ftl 3R W -4
26 st 6R L dbl 2R L -12
10 ch 7R L ftl 3B W -16
24 st 8B W dbl 2B W -6
32 ch 7R W ftl 1B L +0
7 st 6R W dbl 2B L +5
8 ch 5B W ftl 3R L +7
18 st 4B L dbl 4R W nb
26 ch 5B W ftl 3R L +9* RESET
Have not tested extensively...
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I did Atl.-----on all 3,and I am assuring everyone its a winning method.
Method that should be played with aim of 15 +with no stop/los
and restart from 1 after each +.......................
The chop/streak EC system can be used with the AMC progression which was posted by wannawin in the MM forum...
In fact this progression is ideal for any reasonably good EC selection method:
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Odds: Use a 1-1-2-2-4 system for the progressive bet.
Required capital: 30 units.
If you win the first bet you do the following steps (steps of victory):
STEP 1: the rate of 1 unit;
STEP 2: If you win, the next bet 1 unit;
STEP 3: If you win again, the next bet 2 units;
STEP 4: If you win again, the next bet 2 units;
STEP 5: If you win again, the next bet 4 units;
STEP 6: If you win again, stay for 4 units until you LOSE the bet.
If you lose your bet at step 6 or greater, return to Step 3
If you lose your bet at step 5, return to Step 3
If you lose a bet in step 4, return to Step 3
If you lose your bet at step 3, return to Step 1
If you lose a bet in step 2, return to Step 1
Conversely, when you lose the first bet (steps) losses:
STEP 1: Bet 1 unit;
STEP 2: If you lose your bet, the next bet will be 1 unit;
STEP 3: If you lose again, the next bet will be 2 units;
STEP 4: If you lose again, put 2 units;
STEP 5: If you lose again, put 4 units;
STEP 6: If you lose again, return to Step 1. Be patient. There is no need to stop betting.
If you win in step 5, then go back to Step 3
If you win in step 4, then return to Step 3
If you win in step 3, then return to Step 1
If you win in step 2, then go back to Step 1
This seems a bit complicated. It demands a little practice on some computer game in roulette. This makes it easy to remember all the steps bet. Waiting for a maximum profit of 20-25 units, a loss of 20-25 units is recommended to stop the game.
Well I would play to get 8-10 units or just use it until you've won a few units then stop and reset for a new game or end the session.
This one definately has a lot going for it!
Casino Wiesbaden 30 SEP 2010; Table 8 (playing ch;st pattern)
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,=Bal.=,Bet Layout
1,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
3,15,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Black
4,24,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Black
5,6,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,500,2 : Red
6,32,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499,1 : Black
7,26,Bet,1,2,-1,1,500,1 : Black
8,11,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Black
9,21,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Red
10,7,Bet,2,4,-2,2,504,2 : Red
11,35,Bet,2,4,-2,2,506,2 : Black
12,8,Bet,4,8,-4,4,510,4 : Black
13,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,509,1 : Red
14,5,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : Black
15,27,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,506,2 : Black
16,27,Bet,2,4,-2,2,508,2 : Red
17,35,Bet,2,4,-2,2,510,2 : Black
18,7,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,509,1 : Black
19,26,Bet,1,2,-1,1,510,1 : Black
20,13,Bet,1,2,-1,1,511,1 : Black
21,34,Bet,1,2,-1,1,512,1 : Red
22,16,Bet,2,4,-2,2,514,2 : Red
23,14,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,2 : Black
24,21,Bet,2,4,-2,2,514,2 : Red
25,19,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,2 : Black
26,32,Bet,2,4,-2,2,514,2 : Red
27,34,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,2 : Black
28,30,Bet,2,4,-2,2,514,2 : Red
29,36,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,2 : Black
30,31,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,2 : Red
31,3,Bet,1,2,-1,1,511,1 : Red
32,8,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,510,1 : Red
33,35,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,509,1 : Red
34,30,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : Black
35,10,Bet,2,4,-2,2,510,2 : Black
36,8,Bet,1,2,-1,1,511,1 : Black
37,13,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,510,1 : Red
38,1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,509,1 : Black
39,9,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : Black
40,20,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,506,2 : Red
41,32,Bet,2,4,-2,2,508,2 : Red
42,3,Bet,2,4,-2,2,510,2 : Red
43,4,Bet,2,4,-2,2,512,2 : Black
44,35,Bet,2,4,-2,2,514,2 : Black
45,28,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,2 : Red
46,35,Bet,1,2,-1,1,513,1 : Black
47,27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,514,1 : Red
48,26,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,2 : Red
49,6,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,511,1 : Red
50,36,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,510,1 : Black
51,21,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,508,2 : Black
52,7,Bet,2,4,-2,2,510,2 : Red
53,27,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,508,2 : Black
54,1,Bet,2,4,-2,2,510,2 : Red
55,7,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,508,2 : Black
56,6,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,506,2 : Red
57,16,Bet,4,8,-4,4,510,4 : Red
58,17,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,508,2 : Red
59,36,Bet,2,4,-2,2,510,2 : Red
60,29,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,508,2 : Red
61,27,Bet,2,4,-2,2,510,2 : Red
62,23,Bet,2,4,-2,2,512,2 : Red
63,29,Bet,1,2,-1,1,513,1 : Black
64,11,Bet,1,2,-1,1,514,1 : Black
65,8,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,512,2 : Red
[/table]
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