Step 1. Bet 1 unit on any dozen or column. If you lose, move 1 step to the right in progression line and repeat step 1. If you win you will have won 2 units. Go to Step 2.
Step 2. Bet 2 units on an even chance. If you lose stay at same level in progression line and repeat Step 1. If you win you will have 4 units. Go to Step 3.
Step 3. Bet 4 units on an even chance. If you lose stay at same level in progression line and repeat Step 1. If you win you will have 8 units. Go to Step 4.
Step 4. Bet 4-4 units on 2 dozens. If you lose stay at same level in progression line and repeat Step 1. If you win you will have 12 units. Go to Step 5.
Step 5. Bet 6-6 units on 2 dozens. If you lose stay at same level in progression line and repeat Step 1. If you win you will have 18 units. Go to Step 6.
Step 6. Bet 9-9 units on 2 dozens. If you lose stay at same level in progression line and repeat Step 1. If you win you will have 27 units, go to Step 1.
Progression Line:
1 = 27 times
2 = 14 times
3 = 9 times
4 = 7 times
5 = 5 times
6 = 5 times
7 = 4 times
8 = 3 times
9 = 3 times
10 = 3 times
11 = 3 times
12 = 2 times
13 = 1 time
If you lose the entire progression line you will have not only lost -354 units, but you will also be the most unlucky person on the planet.
You don't have to bet all 6 bets. Any time you reach a new high profit, re-set.
Remember, every time you win a dozen bet and lose before reaching the 3rd win on the double dozen bets, you have broken even for that attack and don't move on the progression line. So, you have 86 losses represented by the progression line.
You decide where to bet on each location.
If you want a tad bit more risk vs reward, you can bet all 3 chips from the dozen bet on the 1st even chance bet and you will win 38 units if you win all 6 bets but if you win the dozen bet and lose before you win all 6 bets you must move 1 step to the right on the progression line. No free repeats because you bet your original bet on the rest of the bets for more compounding.
This is a good way to spend a couple of hours at the roulette table.
With a little luck you can win a few chips also.
GLC
For those who want to take a more conservative approach bet the following way.
1 unit on a dozen.
If you win 3 units on an even chance.
If you win 6 units on an even chance.
If you win 6-6 on a double dozen.
If you win 9-9 on a double dozen.
If you win 13-13 on a double dozen.
No progression line. Flat bet only. You have 39 opportunities to win before you end in the hole after winning all 6 of the bets.
Also, you don't have to wait until you reach a new profit to reset. If you get to within 1, 2 or 3 of even and you've lost quite few attempts, take the almost back to even and keep going. I've been down 20 or so units and gotten back to near even and won on 6-6 and not go to 9-9, but end there.
Better safe then sorry. Of course it does sting a little if you would have won the next 2 double dozen bets.
GLC
So you write a progression:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 (I think that's 27).
Is that it?
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 11, 04:02 PM 2012
GLC
So you write a progression:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 (I think that's 27).
Is that it?
Sam
Sam, If you're going to play flat bet, I would play 78 1's as my line.
I would play the aggressive way as follows.
Bet 1 unit on a dozen. If I win I have 3 units.
Bet the 3 units on an even chance. If I win I have 6 units.
Bet 6 units on an even chance. If I win I have 12 units.
Bet 6-6 on dbl doz. 18 units.
Bet 9-9 on dbl doz. 27 units.
Bet 13-13 on dbl doz. 39 units.
Conservative approach is to play until you reach a new profit and then start over rather than finish all 6 bets in each attack.
Really no need to have a bet line. Just play until you've won enough or lost enough then quit.
I say 78 units because if you lose the 1st 39, the next 39 are to limit your losses. I have never lost 78 attempts in a row. If I lose 39 and then hit on attempt 51, I only have lost 12 units. I can either keep playing hoping for another win close enough to put me in profit or take the 12 unit loss.
You know that it can lose 78 attacks in a row, but what the heck, that's only $0.78 for conservative testing or $7.80 if you're testing it aggressively.
Stay out of the heat my friend. It's hard on us well seasoned folks.
GLC
Classic GLC
What ever you are doing here.....Its about playing the next bet with the casinos money
Im just wondering about the move order (sorry , its the Chess in me)
Would it be better to bet the Casinos money on the bets with the less chances?
Even bets first....then Doz, then Double Doz?
Just a thought
Quote from: turnerfeck on Aug 11, 07:11 PM 2012
Classic GLC
What ever you are doing here.....Its about playing the next bet with the casinos money
I'm just wondering about the move order (sorry , its the Chess in me)
Would it be better to bet the Casinos money on the bets with the less chances?
Even bets first....then Doz, then Double Doz?
Just a thought
Turnerfeck, My idea was to start with 1 unit on the bet that pays the most on a win which means it's our seed money. Thus 1 unit on a dozen returns 2 from the casino plus our own. But, the strike rate isn't so good. 2 losses for every win. We just keep playing the bet until we win and then we use the seeds to try to grow some more fruit.
Even chances has a little better hit rate, so I think it's worth the risk a second shot at winning on them. The parlay helps boost our crop.
Double dozen has a 2/3rds strike rate so we can take 3 shots on them since we have a reasonable chance to win 3 times in a row. Maybe should stick with 2 chances since the payoffs stinks.
Maybe a better bet would be 1 unit on a dozen. If win then 3 units on even chance. If win then 3-3 units on double dozen. If win then 4-4 units on double dozen for a net of 12 units.
We could even back up to a line or even a street but then the odds of making it to the end are so remote that it would be a real grinder.
Or, we could play a street until we win. Once we win we take our net profits to invest in bets on lines. If we win on a line we take our net profits to invest on dozens. If we win on a dozen we use that money to bet on even chances. Next come double dozens and we could even go to 5 lines and finally to 11 streets.
The details would be difficult to work out, but it could be done.
Seem to be getting a little carried away. It does point out that the idea can be tweaked any way you would like.
GLC
I'd love to blame the heat for my misunderstand, but it's just my "well-seasoned" brain.
Actually, it's rather pleasant here. Just walked the hounds two miles and barely broke a sweat. Only 84!!
I get what you're talking about. Would be a hoot to play.
Thanks, as always!
Sam
This I really like, you had to miss the first bet to lose, then its winnings or break even. I will try this today, and I feel confident it will not be any bigger loss.
Did it twice before this post, first break even, next plus 27. We got lowest bet 7USD on our land casinos, and then it is not too hard to try a method like this. With units dollar worth, a let it rid is the most safe way to get a winning which counts.
This is excellent !
It has everything that I look for:
Easy to play
Logical
Affordable
RNG or Live
No tracking voodoo stuff
Just straight math--"play it out and see what happens" type system
Positive progression bundled within a negative progression----That is where its at :smile:
An easy way to test this is to have a predetermined set of bets----call it ahead of time, and run it through some past results. I will be using this strategy for sure.
Quote from: GLC on Aug 11, 03:29 PM 2012
If you lose the entire progression line you will have not only lost -354 units, but you will also be the most unlucky person on the planet.
hi GLC,
I just wonder, what are the odds of being mr. unlucky here? I don't mean to be negative. it's just that I once tested Kurt von Hallers "unbeatable progression" and it only took 3 test sessions to get busted. if I had played that with real money it would have cost me an arm and a leg.
cheers :)
hans
Quote from: GLC on Aug 11, 10:21 PM 2012
Turnerfeck, My idea was to start with 1 unit on the bet that pays the most on a win which means it's our seed money. Thus 1 unit on a dozen returns 2 from the casino plus our own. But, the strike rate isn't so good. 2 losses for every win. We just keep playing the bet until we win and then we use the seeds to try to grow some more fruit.
Even chances has a little better hit rate, so I think it's worth the risk a second shot at winning on them. The parlay helps boost our crop.
Double dozen has a 2/3rds strike rate so we can take 3 shots on them since we have a reasonable chance to win 3 times in a row. Maybe should stick with 2 chances since the payoffs stinks.
Maybe a better bet would be 1 unit on a dozen. If win then 3 units on even chance. If win then 3-3 units on double dozen. If win then 4-4 units on double dozen for a net of 12 units.
We could even back up to a line or even a street but then the odds of making it to the end are so remote that it would be a real grinder.
Or, we could play a street until we win. Once we win we take our net profits to invest in bets on lines. If we win on a line we take our net profits to invest on dozens. If we win on a dozen we use that money to bet on even chances. Next come double dozens and we could even go to 5 lines and finally to 11 streets.
The details would be difficult to work out, but it could be done.
Seem to be getting a little carried away. It does point out that the idea can be tweaked any way you would like.
Thanks for the reply....having said what I said, I tried your method using real spins in RX and it won every bet LOL
First impressions are allways important.
Quote from: hanshuckebein on Aug 12, 03:21 AM 2012
hi GLC,
I just wonder, what are the odds of being mr. unlucky here? I don't mean to be negative. it's just that I once tested Kurt von Hallers "unbeatable progression" and it only took 3 test sessions to get busted. if I had played that with real money it would have cost me an arm and a leg.
cheers :)
hans
It is not hard to find the like to fail, just count 1/3 * 1/2 * 1/2 * 2/3 * 2/3 * 2/3 on a NZ wheel.
You will fail all steps sometimes, but it counts for all betting, and still you will have some winnings, with some luck, win more than lose.
This progression will not go out of hands, You can start a least so many sessions you can effort to lose. You can stay at six on the 2/3 bet, which I do.
Hey guys, this has been staying pretty steady. If you play a 1 unit flat bet to start with, you're always in control of your losses and winnings.
I've been testing it with the following handy little tweak. Play 2 different progressions.
I start by betting 2 dozens 1 unit each. If I lose, I just play 2 dozens again for 1 unit each. When I win on one of the dozens, the next spin I play the 2 units from the dozen that won on Red or Black and I play 1 unit on the dozen that lost. If I win on both of these bets I win 4 units, 2 from the dozen be and 2 from the R/B bet. Most of the time this puts me even or in profit so I start over with 1 unit on 2 dozens.
If I get lucky, I will hit the 1 dozen bet. I then bet 2 units on R/ B and 1 unit on the dozen that didn't. If I hit both I bet 4 units on the R/ B that just won the 2 unit bet and since I've won on the 2nd dozen I have a 2 unit bet to make on an even chance here also. I put the 2 units just won by the dozen win on Even or Odd. Otherwise I'd have to bet 6 units on the R/B which puts all my eggs in 1 basket. By betting 4 units on R/B and 2 units on O/E, I improve my chances for a win on at least 1 of them and maybe I will hit on both of them.
I'm not saying spreading the bets on 2 different even chance bets is better. I'm not sure. Advice here is welcome.
I haven't thought far enough ahead to decide if we should play the 3rd dozen. It may get too complicated. Also, when we get to the double dozen bets on 2 strings, we will have to be looking to bet differentially because with 2 winning strings on even chances, we could have to bet all 3 dozens. It will probably depend on your bet selection process.
I haven't had to worry about the double dozen bets yet because I've been lucky enough to have always recovered to a new profit before that point.
It could be that there's no need to go beyond the even chance bets.
If this isn't getting too close to Mars, some opinions would be appreciated.
GLC
Just wanted to inform you that if you read the above post to quickly, I went back in and modified it so you might want to read it again.
Thanks
Addendum: I just played a session from h&!!. I found out that playing all 3 dozens isn't a good idea. I also found out that staying with the single dozen bet and the even chances keeps things under control better than going on to the double dozen bets. Also, I think starting out playing 2 on the R/B is good and if you have a severe losing streak, you can go to betting 3 on the R/B for quicker recovery. It may also cause you to lose more quickly, but is worth the risk. I found myself not always betting 6 units on the 2nd parlay on even chances. I definitely like splitting the bets on R/B and O/E instead of piling it all on R/B.
I got down -63 units before pulling out to +10. When it starts hitting it can recover pretty quickly. That also means that if it starts off hitting good it can win quickly as well.
All I can say is to be sure and test any tweaks before playing for money so you know what to expect.
Well, George, I thought I understood it but I don't. What does
1 = 27
mean?
Sam
Quote from: GLC on Aug 11, 03:29 PM 2012
Step 1. Bet 1 unit on any dozen or column. If you lose, move 1 step to the right in progression line and repeat step 1. If you win you will have won 2 units. Go to Step 2.
Step 2. Bet 2 units on an even chance. If you lose stay at same level in progression line and repeat Step 1. If you win you will have 4 units. Go to Step 3.
Step 3. Bet 4 units on an even chance. If you lose stay at same level in progression line and repeat Step 1. If you win you will have 8 units. Go to Step 4.
Step 4. Bet 4-4 units on 2 dozens. If you lose stay at same level in progression line and repeat Step 1. If you win you will have 12 units. Go to Step 5.
Step 5. Bet 6-6 units on 2 dozens. If you lose stay at same level in progression line and repeat Step 1. If you win you will have 18 units. Go to Step 6.
Step 6. Bet 9-9 units on 2 dozens. If you lose stay at same level in progression line and repeat Step 1. If you win you will have 27 units, go to Step 1.
Progression Line:
1 = 27 times
2 = 14 times
3 = 9 times
4 = 7 times
5 = 5 times
6 = 5 times
7 = 4 times
8 = 3 times
9 = 3 times
10 = 3 times
11 = 3 times
12 = 2 times
13 = 1 time
If you lose the entire progression line you will have not only lost -354 units, but you will also be the most unlucky person on the planet.
GLC
Sam, The above is the basic system.
The 1 = 27 times means that you can start an attack betting 1 unit on a dozen 27 times and if you win all 6 steps you will still be +1 and can reset back to the beginning of the bet line.
Where does 27 come from? If you bet 1 units on 1 dozen and win you will have won 2 units. Now bet the 2 units you just won on an even chance. If you win you will have 4 units. Now bet the 4 units on an even chance. If you win you will have 8 units. Now bet 4 units on each of 2 dozens. If you win you will have 12 units. Now bet 6 units on each of 2 dozens. If you win you will have 18 units. Now bet 9 units on each of 2 dozens. If you win you will have won 27 units. Not only that but you still have your original unit so even if you lost somewhere along the way, you can just replay that attack.
That's where we get the 27. Since we win 27 units, and we lose 1 unit when we lose, we can attempt to win starting out with 1 unit 27 times. If we lose 27 times, we will have to start off betting 2 units on a dozen to be able to recover our lost 27 units plus some profit.
That's the conservative approach. With the aggressive approach, we bet 1 unit on a dozen. If we win we bet all 3 units on the even chance instead of just the 2 units we won from the casino. By doing this we end up with 39 won units instead of 27 but we lose our starting unit if we don't win all 6 bets.
Remember, we're betting 1 time on a dozen, 2 times (parlay) on even chances, and 3 times (parlay) on double dozens. We just keep betting everything we won on the next bet.
The progression I gave you is the conservative approach. It represents 86 chances to win and fully recover all previous losses just like a martingale. It will cost you -354 units if you lose all 86 attacks.
This system is really a convoluted parlay system but it uses different bet locations instead of just 1.
It can be shortened quite a bit by the following:
Play 1 unit on a dozen or column.
If it wins play all 3 units on an even chance.
If it wins play 3 units on each dozen of a double dozen.
If that wins we will have 9 units.
9-1 = +8 units net
Our martingale progression line is:
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
2
2
2
2
3
3
3
4
4
5
5
6
That's 20 chances to win 3 times in a row. -50 units if you lose all 20 attempts.
Every time you reach a profit, reset.
If you want you can go much further with the progression line.
I often think that the strongest system on this forum is Flatino's. He recommends 1000 unit bank to win 100 units.
If you carried this progression line out as far as you could with 1000 units, you would have a good bench mark to test it against Flatino's.
As a matter of fact here's the rest of the progression all the way up to -952 units if you lose the whole line. That's 44 attempts to win 3 bets in a row, a dozen then an even chance then a double dozen. The hardest part is winning the single dozen bet. Once you do that, you should be able to win the even chance bet half the time and once you do that you should be able to win the double dozen bet 2/3rds of the time.
7
8
9
10
11
12
14
16
18
20
22
25
28
33
37
41
47
52
59
66
75
84
94
106
Remember this like a martingale any time you win the 3 bets you will be at a new profit and can start over all the way back to the 1st 1.
If you've got $10 you can test this on the 1 cent roulette table.
George
OK, George from Arizona, I really thank you for all that typing and explaining.
I must take it one step at a time.
We must jump six hurdles to win. Right?
I start with one unit. I have 27 attempts to jump those six hurdles, right?
Really, that's all I can digest at once. If I can't even get step one right, I might as well not continue.
Am I right so far?
Samster
You are right my dear friend.
Those 6 bets represent 1 attack or 1 number in the bet line.
The numbers in the bet line represents only the amount you bet on the 1st of those 6 bets. The other 5 bets are built on the winnings from the 1st bet on the single dozen.
But remember, if you're on the 5th bet of the 6 and you see that you are at a new high bank amount, should consider skipping the 6th bet and reset.
I'm getting ready to post another system similar to this one that's a little easier, but is superb also.
GLC
Not gonna read it; wouldn't be prudent!
Sticking with the six until I learn them
So, GLC, suppose I cross off 27 ones. I then start with the 2s and I have five steps to riches. Is that it? Then the 3s and so on?
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 12, 10:08 PM 2012
Not gonna read it; wouldn't be prudent!
Sticking with the six until I learn them
So, GLC, suppose I cross off 27 ones. I then start with the 2s and I have five steps to riches. Is that it? Then the 3s and so on?
Sam
No Samster.
You always have 6 steps to Riches.
If you lose 27 times without winning, you will be down -27 units. When you go to the first 2, it represents the bet on the single dozen. We win each bet in this example so I won't have to say it each time.
We bet 2 on the single dozen which gives us 6 units on the table. We keep our 2 original bets and we bet 4 units on an even chance which gives us 8 units. Since we bet an even chance 2 times, we bet our 8 units on an even chance which gives us 16 units. Since we have won our 2 even chance bets we next split our winnings in half and bet half on each of 2 dozens. So we bet 8 units on 2 dozens and a win gives us 24 units. The 16 we bet and the 8 we won. With 24 units we bet 12 units on each of 2 dozens. This win gives us 36 units which we divide by 2 and get 18 units to bet on each of 2 dozens. A win here and we have 18-18 bet wins another 18 which = 54 units.
Since we were down 27 units from our series of 1's that we lost, we subtract 27 from 54 and we are +27 units.
Had we lost the first 2 unit attack, we would go to the next 2 unit attack and if we win all 6 bets on it, we would be at +23 units. That's because we lost 4 units on the 1st 2 unit attack so we have -27 -4 = -31 +54 = +23.
We keep playing the 2's until we lose enough so that a win on the 6 bet attack leaves us at less than even. Then we move to the 3 unit attacks, etc...
One thing I want to point out is when we reached our first 2 in the bet line we were down -27 units. Here's what happened from there. We bet 2, won and had 6 less our 2 units we bet and we had 4. We bet 4, won and had 8. We bet 8, won and had 16. We bet 8-8, won and had 24. Notice that at this point we've won 24 units so we are only down -3 units. We could stop our 6 bet process and just reset to our 1st 1 unit bet and start our progression line all over.
Or when we have 24 units, our second bet on the double dozens would be 12-12, win and we have 36 units which is 9 units more than we are down. I would never bet the 6th bet which is 18-18 on 2 dozens. I would take the 9 unit win and start over.
As you can see, we have option all along the way. Risk vs Reward comes into play.
The one thing I don't know is whether it's financially advantageous to always play the 6 bets even if it nets us a lot of units above what we need to reach a new high because those units may be important to offset times when we must lose the entire porgression.
If every attack only nets us a few units win, we may not be able to stay ahead of the grim reaper when we lose a 1000 unit bankroll. Or, it may because there will be times when we get to reset and those 5 out of 6 wins was all that was separating 2 long strings of losses and we never get a 6 step win before we exhaust our bet line.
That may be something we'll never be able to determine. Just pick whichever one you like to play best and go for it is my opinion.
Just be sure those 1000 units aren't more than you give to your church or you'll be in big trouble.
You could play this with a base unit of 0,10 cents... until loose 27 units (2,7 â,¬)
Then you could play again, using a base unit of 3â,¬, aiming for just 1 win. If loose this, it's a loss of 27*3 = 81 â,¬
Total BR required for this: 83,7â,¬.
I think the likelihood of loosing 2 times this kind of bet is very very low... But it's also a litle boring playing this way just to win 10 cents once in a while (and you still have a very very small risk of a visit from the reaper).
(Just posted this here cause I had the same idea for another system a moment ago)