This is a system designed for the baccarat players who can't play on-line and therefore have to mortgage the house to play live in a B&M casino. Of course, if it works for baccarat, it will work on roulette also.
I hate when members start a system and only give us a tidbit here and there and it takes 3 pages of posts to finally get the whole system presented. But, this is a tad bit complicated to explain so I'm afraid I'm going to have to present it a little at a time. I won't take too long.
This first post is to just give you the skeleton on which the rest of the system will hang.
I call it The Triple Attack because it is made up of 3 components.
The 1st component is Iceman's system where he only bets on the 2nd dimension. I choose this system because in my opinion, and that of a few others that I have been in communication with, this systems tends to have wins in clumps of 3 or more a little more often than others. That's important for our bet progression.
This is our bet selection method. If you don't like it, you can use one of your own and still be a winner.
The 2nd component is called the Hollandish bet progression. I have a post under Money Management called "Clean up before Move up" that is based on this method. Basically you recover previous levels while betting at the next level and you have to recover all lost units at the previous level before you can go to the next, next level to recover the units you lost while recovering the previous level from the one your on now, etc... :o
The 3rd and final component is my latest bet progression that is based on a tweak of the Star system by Carsch and then a tweak of Carsch's tweak by me. ??? :o
When we put these three together it gives us a lot of strength. This whole concept is based on a verse found in Ecclesiastes 4:12: I will paraphrase it. "One can be conquered but two standing back to back will prevail. And a cord of three strands is very difficult to break." (Translation by GLC). And you thought there was no wisdom in the Bible. Oh, ye of little faith.
More later. :thumbsup:
George, I love reading your posts. I can't wait to see how this one plays out. You are such an asset to this forum. Thanks for all you do.
Quote from: Wally Gator on Aug 15, 05:46 PM 2012
George, I love reading your posts. I can't wait to see how this one plays out. You are such an asset to this forum. Thanks for all you do.
Thanks Wally.
I just had my skin screening yesterday. I had a pretty good size melanoma removed a few years back, then another one the following year. But, I've been clean now for 5 years. Only have to go in once a year now. This dang Arizona sun's too hot.
I mention it because other than the melonoma, high cholesterol, triglicerides, enlarged prostate, prone to severe gout attacks, insomnia, accute baldness, and been beat half to death with an ugly stick, I hope to be around entertaining you guys for years to come.
That is, unless this turns out to be the :ooh: :ooh: :ooh: :ooh: :ooh: :ooh: :ooh: :ooh: :ooh: :ooh:
I'm going to work from the tweaked star progressions backward explaining this system.
Here's the basic bet progression:
1
1 Repeat
1 Parlay
1 Repeat then Parlay
1 Repeat then Parlay
1 Repeat then Parlay
Here's how it looks:
Level 1: Bet 1 unit until you lose. Once you lose move to level 2.
Level 2: Bet 1 unit. If you lose move to level 3. If you win, repeat the bet. If you lose you will be even because you just won a unit. Repeat as if it's your first bet at level 2. If you win and then win the repeat you will be +2 less the unit you lost from the 1st level = +1. If you get behind by 1 unit, go to level 3.
Level 3: Bet 1 unit. If you lose move to level 4. If you win, parlay the bet. So 1 wins us 1 more for 2 units. Bet the 2 units. A loss moves us to level 4. A win gives us 4 units less the 2 we lost on level 1 and level 2 and also the unit we started level 3 with = +1
Level 4: Bet 1 unit. If you lose move to level 5. If you win, repeat the bet. Another win gives us +2 plus our original 1 unit to start level 4 which = 3. Parlay these 3 units and a win gives us 6-4=+2.
Level 5: Bet 1 unit. Continue per level 4 except at the end you will only have +1.
Level 6: Bet 1 unit. Continue per level 5 except at the end you will have 0 units won.
That gives us 6 chances to win. If we lose at level 6, we write down six 1's on a sheet of paper. These 1's represent the 1st level of our hollandish bet progression.
Next we repeat the above 6 steps but our starting bet is 2 units instead of 1 unit. Anytime we are ahead 2 or more units in an attack we will immediately cross off 2 of the 1's in the 1st level. If we cross off all the 1's without losing all 6 of the 6 step bet cyle outlined above, we will stop starting our attacks at 2 units and drop back to 1 unit.
If we lose all 6 or our steps without clearing the 1's, we will write down six 2's to the right of the 1's. We will continue to play at the 2nd level until all the 1's are crossed off. Every time we lose a 6 step cycle at the 2 level and there are still 1's to be crossed off, we will write down six 2's to the right end of our recovery line.
Once all the 1's are crossed off and if we have written down six or more 2's, we move to starting our 6 steps with 3 units. We play at the 3rd level until we cross off all the 2's. Any 6 step loss at the 3rd level before all the 2's are crossed off will result in our writing down six 3's.
Continue in this manner until all losses have been recovered. Then reset back to 1.
It seems a very good idea... but I magine in practice this to be veryyyyyyy time consuming sometimes, when you start getting in the hole and acomulating lines of 2's, then 3's, etc... until all losses are recovered. It seems a very strong method tough, especially to a bot that could work 24 hours/day.
Just ran through some shoes from the last few days, all ended in the positive (except Sam's example shoe from 'TwoCat Baccarat' system which came out break even).
Biggest drawdown was -18, and biggest bet was at the 3unit level.
I tried FTL for the following reason - here you're looking for 2 or 3 wins in a row - most shoes have about 60 decisions not including ties, which should come out something like:-
15 singles
7 doubles
4 trebles
2 4's
1 5 (or more)
so, on average, you should get at least 3 3-in-a-row winners & more at the 1st 3 levels of the Star prog where you only need 2 wins in a row (many small wins should come there).
not so many tests, but I'll loook at some more shoes when i get back home.
A problem would be the commission on Banker as the way i tested, you're betting every hand, and it could require prolonged play to clear a difficult hollandish line.
You could add a few single units to the line when needed possibly.
As its a bit of a low unit grinder, a 3 or 4 unit win per shoe when the units really count could be doable..
[I've attached the tricky shoe]
Quote from: GLC on Aug 15, 07:27 PM 2012
Thanks Wally.
I just had my skin screening yesterday. I had a pretty good size melanoma removed a few years back, then another one the following year. But, I've been clean now for 5 years. Only have to go in once a year now. This dang Arizona sun's too hot.
I mention it because other than the melonoma, high cholesterol, triglicerides, enlarged prostate, prone to severe gout attacks, insomnia, accute baldness, and been beat half to death with an ugly stick, I hope to be around entertaining you guys for years to come.
That is, unless this turns out to be the :ooh: :ooh: :ooh: :ooh: :ooh: :ooh: :ooh: :ooh: :ooh: :ooh:
--Gi George,
--Got scared to hear all that.Must move from there to the sea.Swimming in the sea/not swimming
pool/heals everything.Every early morning in the dawn am doing my rue of about 1-2 hours.
When others are comming on the beach I'm going home.My intercostal neuralgy disappeared,feel
like Sam with 65...LOL
George,
Very interesting progression and I will try it out.... You must be busy moving to the sea?
Guys, Yes this can be very slow and it can be a grinder deluxe.
As your posts indicate, there are a million ways to tweak this. The idea of using the Hollandish progression as a base for another bet progression is the key component. Instead of the Star type progressions, you can also use Ambidex idea which risk 4 units to win 4 units. It may be more stable.
Hey, I just come up with the initial idea. I have too much A.D.D. to hone it down to a razor sharp edge.
Ivo, I'm a little embarrassed to compare my poor health at 63 to yours at 73. I'm just glad you are doing so well. My wife is still hinting that she'd like to go back to Croatia and also Slovenia for a visit. Darn air fare is too high at this time and I'm too busy at work to get away.
I think I'll start with a swimming pool for exercise since it's 7 hours to the ocean. I hear swimming is a very good form of exercise when your knees start giving out on you. We have 2 community pools here within a few blocks of my house. I've just been too lazy to use them. You've given me inspiration.
George
Hey on that issue, I recommend you take some taichichuan / qiqong classes. You may even like it, on top of improving your health.
Quote from: GLC on Aug 15, 07:27 PM 2012
Thanks Wally.
I just had my skin screening yesterday. I had a pretty good size melanoma removed a few years back, then another one the following year. But, I've been clean now for 5 years. Only have to go in once a year now. This dang Arizona sun's too hot.
I mention it because other than the melonoma, high cholesterol, triglicerides, enlarged prostate, prone to severe gout attacks, insomnia, accute baldness, and been beat half to death with an ugly stick, I hope to be around entertaining you guys for years to come.
That is, unless this turns out to be the :ooh: :ooh: :ooh: :ooh: :ooh: :ooh: :ooh: :ooh: :ooh: :ooh:
George...i hear you have lovely knees though!
Seriously.....Out of your list...the enlarged prostrate is the most serious. What is your PSA level if I may ask
Turner
Quote from: turnerfeck on Aug 17, 12:28 PM 2012
George...i hear you have lovely knees though!
Seriously.....Out of your list...the enlarged prostrate is the most serious. What is your PSA level if I may ask
Turner
I'm doing pretty good with PSA level of .7 if my memory is right. I just have to take a muscle relaxer at this stage. So far no indication of cancer.
Thanks,
GLC
Quote from: vladir on Aug 17, 11:27 AM 2012
Hey on that issue, I recommend you take some taichichuan / qiqong classes. You may even like it, on top of improving your health.
I assume that's the long version of Tai Chi. I've considered it. Are you a student?
I am a former marathon runner, still I do 42 km from time to time, but i may take the time.
In the 1960 while I were at the best, the sport did not count as today.
Quote from: GLC on Aug 15, 05:13 PM 2012
When we put these three together it gives us a lot of strength. This whole concept is based on a verse found in Ecclesiastes 4:12: I will paraphrase it. "One can be conquered but two standing back to back will prevail. And a cord of three strands is very difficult to break." (Translation by GLC). And you thought there was no wisdom in the Bible. Oh, ye of little faith.
More later. :thumbsup:
"........time and unforseen occurences befall them all" (Ecclesiastes) :twisted: :twisted:
you are not only progression guru but also a good writer!
Hi George,
I had an enlarged prostate they even wanted to trim it down but i declined and just by chance struck up a conversation with another ex sufferer yes ex and now I can say my psa is sitting on 2 and the way this was achieved ,drinking Stinging Nettle tea, even grow my own nettles now and you could have knocked me over with a feather when my G P asked me what it tastes like? up untill then he was all medical.
I thought I would post this here and not in a pm as it may help others.
Now back to the system ,thanks.
Cheers Pedro
Thanks for the tip Pedro. Stinging Nettle Tea sounds fairly straight forward. It may hold off the lazer. How often do you have to drink it?
Not to worry about interrupting the topic. It's my topic. We can talk about whatever I want! :smile:
Quote from: pedro on Aug 17, 09:39 PM 2012
I thought I would post this here and not in a pm as it may help others.
Absolutly right....Prostrate cancer is the 2nd biggest killer in men. The 1st biggest killer in men is men not going to the doctors until its too late.
Quote from: GLC on Aug 17, 12:48 PM 2012
I assume that's the long version of Tai Chi. I've considered it. Are you a student?
Yes, I am.
Long version? I didn't get that one...
Quote from: vladir on Aug 17, 11:27 AM 2012
...taichichuan / qiqong... This is a heck of a lot longer than 'tai chi'.
Quote from: turnerfeck on Aug 18, 03:40 PM 2012
Absolutly right....Prostrate cancer is the 2nd biggest killer in men. The 1st biggest killer in men is men not going to the doctors until its too late.
Nothing like a slap of reality up the side of my head. :'(
Fortunately, I go every year for my pretty complete physical and blood work. I forgot to mention that I also have fatty liver. Just writing it makes me feel over-weight. I seem to have enough little things wrong with me that they're always checking up on something. If anything major is reving up they're sure to catch it early. With my current insurance anyway. :thumbsup:
As Obamacare kicks in more and more I may have to go off-shore to get adequate health care. :-\
***As Obamacare kicks in more and more I may have to go off-shore to get adequate health care.***
Now, George, you know this Obamacare will work!! Everyone--and I mean everyone--will buy insurance. Or pay a fine.
PROBLEM..............
Who will go into the inner cities where the gangs rule and collect those fines??
Anyone want a job??
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 18, 11:37 PM 2012
***As Obamacare kicks in more and more I may have to go off-shore to get adequate health care.***
Now, George, you know this Obamacare will work!! Everyone--and I mean everyone--will buy insurance. Or pay a fine.
PROBLEM..............
Who will go into the inner cities where the gangs rule and collect those fines??
Anyone want a job??
Sam
I am mostly an observer here in the forum ... but even the thought of Obamacare will pull me into the participatory mode, being from the USA ...LOL .... The word PROBLEM is written all over Obamacare.
:thumbsup:
HI George,
When I first heard of the Nettle and out of desperation, I just drank it in place of my normal tea or coffee, ( gee about 6-7 cups per day I thought well if this doesnt kill me the prostate will, how wrong was I) I still drink it and I will for my living years, now I enjoy my tea and coffee, drinking 3-4 cups of nettle daily.
Cheers
Quote from: pedro on Aug 23, 07:02 PM 2012
HI George,
When I first heard of the Nettle and out of desperation, I just drank it in place of my normal tea or coffee, ( gee about 6-7 cups per day I thought well if this doesn't kill me the prostate will, how wrong was I) I still drink it and I will for my living years, now I enjoy my tea and coffee, drinking 3-4 cups of nettle daily.
Cheers
I think I'll give it a try. Can I put a little cream and sweetener in it or does it taste great naturally?
Quote from: GLC on Aug 18, 11:13 PM 2012
Nothing like a slap of reality up the side of my head. :'(
Sorry..I didn't mean to sound insensitive.....my point was that you went to a doc.....which is overcoming the first common killer of men. Many men don't visit doctors and die of a very curable illness.
I can't believe you have to pay for medical treatment in "the land of the free".
We pay 10% of our wage called National Insurance.
Its doctors...hospital....ambulance and retirement pension.
And we can access sh!t loads of casinos...online and landbased :thumbsup:
That WAS insensitive!
Quote from: turnerfeck on Aug 24, 06:12 PM 2012
I can't believe you have to pay for medical treatment in "the land of the free".
Fortunately, I can afford medical insurance. What I like about it is when I need a medical procedure, it happens almost immediately. I'm afraid if Obama gets re-elected that'll change.
And we can access sh!t loads of casinos...online and landbased :thumbsup:
That WAS insensitive!
Yes it was!! :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
Hi GLC,
could you possibly point me towards Icemans 2nd component system?
Cheers MM
Quote from: MuppetMan on Aug 25, 01:26 AM 2012
Hi GLC,
could you possibly point me towards Icemans 2nd component system?
Cheers MM
Iceman was an interesting study. Also highly volatile and antagonistic.
It seems his topic has been erased. I looked for it the other day and couldn't find it. Here it is in a nutshell.
Track any of the even chance bets. We'll use R/B for this example.
Track on paper the wins and losses as if you were playing Follow-the-last-color.
Bet for real every other decision. Bet for every other decision to be the opposite result of the last decision.
If the last decision was a win, meaning you got an RR or a BB then you bet that the next decision will be a loss or RB or BR.
We're always betting that the even numbered decisions are opposite of the odd number decisions.
I will show a short series. I am tracking on paper the 1st dimension which is FTL on every decision. I am betting for real, the 2nd dimension, that every other result will be the opposite of the last result.
Flat bet only.
Spins 1st dim 2nd dim total
R
R W NB No bet on odd numbered decisions. This is 1st decision
B L + +1 Since last decision was W we bet for loss and win
R L NB No bet on odd numbered decisions. This is 3rd decision
B L - 0 Last decision was L so we bet for W but it lost
B W NB
B W - -1 Last decision was W so we bet for L but it won
B W NB
R L + 0 Last decision was W so we bet for L
B L NB
B W + +1 Last decision was L so we bet for W
That's the bet selection method.
Play until you're +4 or -8.
Iceman's theory is that since we're playing FTL decision we should win about 49 bets and lose 51 bets out of a 100 on average figuring in the zero.
By betting for a loss periodically, we actually take some of the house's advantage away from them because we're betting against ourselves with them when we're betting for our FTL decision to lose.
The problem with his thinking is that we're betting FTL in the 1st dimension only. Betting for Opposite-the-last anytime the last decision was Same-as-the-last is a different bet selection method and it's convoluted thinking to say that it adds advantage to FTL.
Anyway, the reason I use it sometimes is because it seems, and I emphasize the word seems, that we get short runs of wins 2-4 in length more often than most of the other bet selection methods. If this is true, then it always benefits a progression system to have clumps of wins with no losses in between because it gives us a chance to make a big run out of the hole. Often, with a progression method, a win of 3 or 4 in a row is enough to get us back to new profits.
There's nothing special about FTL. You could just as easily bet the Penultimate, OLD, RED only or Back only, etc...
You can go to the 3rd dimension by betting for an opposite decision than the last decision of the 2nd dimension. I have tested this a little and it doesn't seem to add anything to the system except complication.
Hope that's clear enough. :thumbsup:
Trouble is, when you decide the house is going to win and you sit out a spin, the house loses, you would have won and you're short a unit.
Geez, I'm negative this morning!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 25, 10:09 AM 2012
Trouble is, when you decide the house is going to win and you sit out a spin, the house loses, you would have won and you're short a unit.
Geez, I'm negative this morning!
Sam
Ergo, never attempt to outsmart the wheel. If your method had demanded that you bet that next spin you should have done so Either you win or you lose. That`s taking the bull by the horns.
Tamino
HAPPY Winnimngs
If you're playing per Iceman's rules, you only bet every other decision. It's totally mechanical. No decisions to be made. Just zone out and pray for rain.
George,
I must second Wally Gator's comment and say that you are an asset to this forum.
So many great ideas. Helpful to all. rossco.