I tested a new variation of bets and progression on the surround system and seems to be working with grater power.
Here it is for you.
Bet selection
Red+Odd+Doz 1+Col 3
The RED ODD COL3 is because a lot of numbers are mixed in this bet(so grater profits) and the DOZ1 is for cover because the most losers were in the 1st DOZ by betting the R O 3Col.
so there is some logic in it.
Progression
On a loss
1)Only 1 2/1 bet win +1 on all bets
2)Only 1 Ec win +2 on all bets
3)All bets loss +3 on all bets
4)Only the 2 Ecs win SAME bet
On a win
!)1 EC + ! 2/1 bet win -1
2)2 2/1 bets win -2
3)2 Ecs + 1 2/1 bet -3
4)2 2/1 bets + 1 EC -4
5)All bets win -5
Reset all bets to 1 in a new +
Test and post results if you like. From my testings it s very powerfull and it made on average 1.3 chips per spin on 1800 bets.
Sam this one I recoment you to play it.
The bets never got more of 19 on all bets and the recoveries were very fast.
Max down -197 chips.
+ 2.321 chips were gained in the 1.800 spins. Lets hope it wasn t just a nice session.
Suggested BR 200-300 chips(stop-loss)
If anyone can code it in RX it would be nice
Master
You can bet I will when I get time. I do well with the original.
Sam
Nice to hear that you are doing well with the original.
This means that the consept of the Surround is OK.+you are making money and I am happy.
MOP, does it start with 1 chip on each outcome ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Aug 21, 03:21 PM 2012
MOP, does it start with 1 chip on each outcome ?
YES.
And I am glad that you mentioned that because I wanted to say(and forgot it) that even with the original Surround(3 bets) it must also start with 1 chip on all bets and not 2 2 1 .It was a wrong estimation that I made when made the system
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Aug 21, 03:23 PM 2012
YES.
And I am glad that you mentioned that because I wanted to say(and forgot it) that even with the original Surround(3 bets) it must also start with 1 chip on all bets and not 2 2 1 .It was a wrong estimation that I made when made the system
Thank you for the clarification :thumbsup:
Let s see what it can do with a 200-300 chips stop-loss.(BR) O0
So far it has made 11 Brs of 200 chips !
Losing sessions will occure and we know it...lets hope more will be won than lose.
Are you saying this version of ure bet is better than the one Sam is kindly letting us watch him play ??
My friend I really can t know this without a HUGE test of spins being done.
But from my short tests it seems a lot more profitable and safer.
Hehe I hadn t realised that our Sam bro was leting us see his playing in my system :)
I ll watch it later...I am glad that he plays 2 systems of mine(the boffin has a progression modif-tweek that i did)
can you expalin that ref to boffins progression for Members who missed it plz ?
Here is the Topic of the boffin mate link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9956.0 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9956.0)
I saw Sams video and I always like his cowboy accent :D
Some times I am waiting to hear the spit of the tobacco in the video . LoL
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Aug 21, 03:49 PM 2012
Here is the Topic of the boffin mate link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9956.0 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9956.0)
I saw Sams video and I always like his cowboy accent :D
Some times I am waiting to hear the spit of the tobacco in the video . LoL
Thanx for the link
and
LMAO I agree totally think the same, Sam rocks !
I looks like I win more if I start with one completely loss, second with a break even and a full hit the third, than three three full hit in a row.
I restart on new high.
Result after 30 minuets play, the picture of the final spins result.
Most low 60 units, plus 184 units. Used 0.1 chips.
First part of video did not process. Twister, will make another.
Sam
link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=7-YQflI6-V0&feature=player_detailpage# (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=7-YQflI6-V0&feature=player_detailpage#)
i know im retarded but please someone explain to me what does EC mean and what does 1/2 mean :question: :sad2:
EC...even chances pays 1-1
2/1 Dozens or columns pays 2-1
EC = even chance or 1/1 bet like red/black odd/even or high/low
and 1/2's are dozens or columns
:xd: answered both at the same time :D
Thanks for the fast answer! Gave it a try at BVN No zero. In under 10 mins + 100 chips! That was awesome, no big drawdowns. Someone should really code this at test it more further, but if it can multiply its starting BR at a so fast pace i think this system can be pretty solid.
Moreover i dont think MOP will bother post something without really thinking it is working :love: :love:
Just a clarification.You mean you reduce value by 1,2,3,4 or 5 units for each bet?
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Aug 21, 03:15 PM 2012
On a win
!)1 EC + ! 2/1 bet win -1
2)2 2/1 bets win -2
3)2 Ecs + 1 2/1 bet -3
4)2 2/1 bets + 1 EC -4
5)All bets win -5
unre4lbg thanks for the nice words. I am always trying to make systems that has logic.
I am happy that u made so many chips is so little time...my testings showed the same...more than 1 chip per spin on average. Let s hope it will make more chips than it will losse.
xxlakis on ALL bets.
In general thank you guys for testing it...this is the spirit that a R forum must have.
Now I will watch Sams video ;D
Hahaha!
I just saw ur video Sam! I am glad u won! I am gonna take that offer for the beer :D
Some notes for u Sam.
In 3 spins you did mistake and bet the black instead of the red and also in one spin only the 1 Ec won and you though both won and u didn t add the proper amount of chips in the next bet.
One more very importand thing is that I need u to play like a Pro...so do NOT get exited and bet with 0.5 chips yet...make 1st 10 times the 200 chips(build it 1st) BR and then move on 0,20 etc....
Your laughs and accent made me LMAO one more time...
Let s hope this will stand on the long run guys.
more testing shows that a 200 chips Br is very nice for this system...almost all the sessions I made won more than 200 chips after they lost a bank of 200...so this leaving us with real profits.
give feed back ppl
I tested 10 sessions that lost all the 200 chips BR.
The result of those sessions was +172 chips. Because most of the sessions before lost the 200 chips(stop-loss) made extra chips.
when I say 200 chips bankroll I mean AT ANY STAGE THAT WE LOST 200 CHIPS WE QUIT(or start again from the start reseting all progressions)
e.g. 200 chips start. at a point we were +450 chips total. This means that if we minus the 200(Br) from the 450(total bank) is +250.This means that we are UP 250 chips...now IF in the next betting spins the progresion will bust the 200 chips BR then this means that even though we lost 1 banl roll , we are left a + 50 chips pure profit.
So this +172 is pure profit.(eventhough the Br was lost 10 times)
this is the way thay we must calculate if the system is profitable.
so far i am satisfied.
Master
Yes, I make lots of mistakes! You should watch me play baccarat!
As to the .5 bets, I just had this "human factor" working for me and I knew I was going to win. I nearly went dollars as I have quite a bit in my account at the casino.
Thanks a ton.
Sam
Master
Played a little more tonight. Playing only dimes and my repeater and two Boffin's I made 23.7 Euro real.
I now have 230 Euro in my BV account and am thinking about going for one Euro bets tomorrow.
Sam
Hi MOP . . .
Nice easy system, one that even Turnerfeck can easily play at the Casino (just joking Turnerfeck).
To assist in your testing I have attached what I think is your system coded in Excel, both a Manual entry sheet and and RNG for more serious testing.
Enjoy . .
Nick
Quote from: Nickmsi on Aug 22, 12:41 AM 2012
Hi MOP . . .
Nice easy system, one that even Turnerfeck can easily play at the Casino (just joking Turnerfeck).
To assist in your testing I have attached what I think is your system coded in Excel, both a Manual entry sheet and and RNG for more serious testing.
Enjoy . .
Nick
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Nick, should the excell done with betting Red+Odd+Doz 1+Col 3?
vundarosa
Thanks again for a tool but i guess a dozen bet is missing ;D
Yikes . . .
I did not know MOP had posted two systems with the name Surround System and Surround Boost . . .
I posted this under the wrong one, but it still works great. . .
Will take a look at the "Boost" and thanks for letting me know.
Nick
MOP,
thanks for the great system, tested it a few times and works good but i tweaked it a bit.
For me its works better this way.
always your bets inclusif the high ec.
SO were betting Dz1, Cl3, Red, Odd & High, all starting with 1u.
progression:
this one isnt completed yet, that's why it needs some testing.
If one of the following falls you add or distract shown units on all bets.
1 EC +3
2 EC +2
3 EC -1
1 1/2 +2
2 1/2 -2
3 EC & 1 1/2 -4
2 EC & 1 1/2 -3
1 EC & 1 1/2 Always same bet because it gives 0 profit
2 EC & 2 1/2 -5 Uptill now it always given me a new high
Don't know yet how much units now to add if you lose all bets because it didnt happen yet but maybe +3 or +4
And offcourse on a new high you reset all bets to 1.
Stephan
I am flexible with the progressions, if I have one unit on each, and lose on all, I do not add up three, rather one or two. That means I sometimes win less, but keep the stakes down.
I always start over on new high, or if high stake I start over on break even.
10000 NZ spins.
126 sessions +100 units
63 sessions -300 units
I have tested a while now, and see problems, similar to the 2/3 bets. It hits often, but have problems to win enough on a good streak, to compensate for a bad one.
The stakes get high when the few numbers not covered hits many times in a row(which they will do).
I tested long time ago to bet RED ODD and 1 DOZ, and found the same problem.
Cover a too large area will hit often for small plus, but when the real bad runs come, its nearly impossible to recover. The same problem have all bets cover more than 50%. The winnings are to small to compensate for the worse runs. Every betting method will run well on a winning streak.
Its what happen in the bad ones need the attention.
For example, I do far better betting 1 DOZ than 2, for the above reasons.
Quote from: Ralph on Aug 22, 02:47 AM 2012
I have tested a while now, and see problems, similar to the 2/3 bets. It hits often, but have problems to win enough on a good streak, to compensate for a bad one.
The stakes get high when the few numbers not covered hits many times in a row(which they will do).
I tested long time ago to bet RED ODD and 1 DOZ, and found the same problem.
Cover a too large area will hit often for small plus, but when the real bad runs come, its nearly impossible to recover. The same problem have all bets cover more than 50%. The winnings are to small to compensate for the worse runs. Every betting method will run well on a winning streak.
Its what happen in the bad ones need the attention.
For example, I do far better betting 1 DOZ than 2, for the above reasons.
And this is the reason why I adviced for a STOP LOSS(BR)
It s natural to be some times that the bets will get very high and there will be no chance to make new +(it s happening with all systems that have progression(...and that s why we have to limit those situations with a stop loss.
xxlakis we must test this system that way:
1 session ends when we lose a 200 chips Br (RULE)
This doesn t mean that when we PLAY the system ,we have to lose 200 chips in order to stop or start playing with 1 chips on all bets again...its just for the testing perposes...
Did u do ur testing according to the rule above mate?
Attention to all members that are playing the system
I tested the system with various stop losses.
50 chips , 100 chips , 200 chips , 300 chips , 500 chips , 1000 chips.
The system couldn t produce long term profits.
This means that the more you play it the more money you will be losing.Like all systems.
So I strongly advice the members that are playing the system and won some money to stop playing it and KEEP the winnings...if they will continue to play it(no matter hit and run GF) they WILL lose the earnings plus capital.
Its time for modifying the system or abandon it.
Master
I think you are too hard on yourself. It's not whether the system crashes over a rouzillion spins. We know it will. It's whether or not it will win more sessions that it loses. Can I win ten before I lose ten and how many times can I do it?
I like this idea. I may "tweak" the progression, but I doubt it. If this were put in a divisor--or another thing I know of--you might not live long enough to actually lose.
I think I'll just play it ten for ten.
Sam
Ding Dong!!
Made another 10 Euro. I am using the Boffin's, Surround Boost and my "TwoCats out of Five" system.
Playing dimes, you know. Really itching to go to dollars. Will moviefy that play if I do!!
Youse guys can hear me sweat!!
Samster
Made another 11.2 Euro but had to go down 35 to get my winners. All three were in the straights! No repeaters to bet on. Boffin's boffed me.
It was good in the end.
"It will all be good in the end. If it is not good, it is not yet the end!"
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 22, 11:51 AM 2012
Master
I think you are too hard on yourself. It's not whether the system crashes over a rouzillion spins. We know it will. It's whether or not it will win more sessions that it loses. Can I win ten before I lose ten and how many times can I do it?
I like this idea. I may "tweak" the progression, but I doubt it. If this were put in a divisor--or another thing I know of--you might not live long enough to actually lose.
I think I'll just play it ten for ten.
Sam
exactly Sam...and this is what the testing showed...that it is losing more sessions than winning.
I worned you already to stop using it....it will be sad to lose all those chips eventhough they are just some dollars. :D
OK, thanks!
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 21, 04:42 PM 2012
First part of video did not process. Twister, will make another.
Sam
link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=7-YQflI6-V0&feature=player_detailpage# (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=7-YQflI6-V0&feature=player_detailpage#)
How much did it cost you to get Sam Elliot to do the voice over?
Do I sound like him? Evidently, I do.