-Playing round,as usual,looking for a E/C bet that isn't dominant so much over each other
by a fluke come to this;woowoo
--attached a session of 340 spin,Wiesbaden.......betting always on last 5 numericals.
Therefore win/lose could be from 17 to 20 chips......FLAT BET
This session won 33 x 17 to 20 chips.......what's more it didn't lose more then 6 times
in the row.......tested several sessions all same...maybe you should test some more to
find out if this is woowoo,or there might be something behind this.
You like WOOWOO things Sam....LoL......let us know are we on something here,me
going swim.
hi Flat_Ino,
I'd like to understand this.
You're betting E/Cs?
Or how does betting the last five numbers translate to 17 to 20 chips win or lose?
Thanks very much!
Meant last 5 numericals;
13
27
2
15
14......now betting.....3,13,23,33,7.17.27.2,12,22,32,5,15,25,35,4,14,24,34....this case 19 numbers.
Oh i see, every combination of numbers using the last five "numericals" from the last five face values; usually makes 17-20 numbers, including those at face value. And then you bet all these on the inside?
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There exist one physical advantage using the previous five numbers.
Snowman/Herb the bias expert and Laurance Scott elaborate about the previous five.
The likelihood is that if you have a wheel with a slight bias you can actually reduce the house edge to a certain degree using the previous five.
I test this idea using the previous five with neighboors and it is pretty solid - 15 numbers.
The optimal attack window using the previous five is three attempts.
Quote from: ego on Aug 28, 05:59 AM 2012
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There exist one physical advantage using the previous five numbers.
Snowman/Herb the bias expert and Laurance Scott elaborate about the previous five.
The likelihood is that if you have a wheel with a slight bias you can actually reduce the house edge to a certain degree using the previous five.
I test this idea using the previous five with neighboors and it is pretty solid - 15 numbers.
The optimal attack window using the previous five is three attempts.
You can see with attach file that the hit ratio for repeaters are at 6 7 8 ... at the range around 500 plus ...
could somebody explain this in a little more detail please
tom
hi joiner
just bet all the numbers with the same last digits as the last 5 numbers spun
eg
21 bet 1,11,21,31,
32 bet 2,12,22,32,
13 bet 3,13,23,33
14 bet 4,14,24,34
25 bet 5,15,25,35
so 20 numbers in total
:D
hamsup
Hi Joiner.
13 = any number ending in 3
27 = 7
2 = 2
15 = 5
14 = 4
Hope this helps.
Cheers.
Dino.
And what happens when 2 or 3 of the last 5 numbers has the same last digit?
Are we betting only those or are we looking to the previous spins to have 5 numbers with 5 different last digits?
Quote from: ego on Aug 28, 06:03 AM 2012
You can see with attach file that the hit ratio for repeaters are at 6 7 8 ... at the range around 500 plus ...
One of my first bots was based on stats ego posted.It is betting only the three numbers that appeared 6,7 and 8 spins before.Example...13,22,11,1,7,24,33,32,(now bet 13,22,11),(now bet 22,11,1),etc...
I used the minimum stakes and i let it ride for many hours.No progression just flatbetting.Always but always at some point it was plus but slow winner.I use it now just when i wan't to gather spinfiles.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Aug 28, 07:36 AM 2012
And what happens when 2 or 3 of the last 5 numbers has the same last digit?
Are we betting only those or are we looking to the previous spins to have 5 numbers with 5 different last digits?
--As usual erasing last...always 5 diff.
Here one more session...as you can see I don't select it just pick up next date.
---xxls,this has nothing to do with Egos 6,7,8 spins/we know about it for a long now/
but betting 5 last numbers spun....What I have noticed in so far testings is that winning streaks
are usually happening with smaller numericals.9 sessions tested all won....WOOWOO
what about progression? some1 should make one big post to clarify rules of play and MM :question:
So if we have
1
2
11
22
32
these are 5 last spins but we only have last digits 1 and 2...
will we bet only 1,11,21,31 and 2.12.22.32 8numbers?
because with the "As usual erasing last" this is what it happens.
Or it doesn t matter how many spins we look back , it only matters to have 5 diff last digits?
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Aug 28, 08:15 AM 2012
So if we have
1
2
11
22
32
these are 5 last spins but we only have last digits 1 and 2...
will we bet only 1,11,21,31 and 2.12.22.32 8numbers?
because with the "As usual erasing last" this is what it happens.
Or it doesn't matter how many spins we look back , it only matters to have 5 diff last digits?
--5 DIFF.LAST DIG.AND THOSE ABOVE ONLY 2 THERE
thanks for the clarification.
It was a vital thing to know
--Easily you could have seen that from the attachment.
btw--one more session with only 6 loses in the row.
I never look at attachments.
The rules of a simple system that be posted with letters...as long us they are complete its ok.
I am testing now with RX and will post results for feed back
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What progression would you apply using your method.
Hey, Mr. FLATman!!
Thanks for that little ditty! A few years ago I studied this and it was then called "Cadences". Cadences--for no known reason--seem to flock together. (But then my "studies" have taught me everything in the Universe flocks together.)
As usual, you have put a different spin on it.
Aside to FLAT: I have no intention of ignoring your new/old splits system. Time is not on my side as vacation begins Thursday morning with a long drive.
Sam
ego,
FLAT suggested in his first post "flat betting" :D
Since it seem so far very evenly balanced and that hadn't lost more then 6 in the row
in 9 sessions,1+1- might be ideal....testing flat bet to observe other possibilities.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 28, 08:45 AM 2012
Hey, Mr. FLATman!!
Thanks for that little ditty! A few years ago I studied this and it was then called "Cadences". Cadences--for no known reason--seem to flock together. (But then my "studies" have taught me everything in the Universe flocks together.)
As usual, you have put a different spin on it.
Aside to FLAT: I have no intention of ignoring your new/old splits system. Time is not on my side as vacation begins Thursday morning with a long drive.
Sam
--Bon vojage Sam and make sure you take casinos road card instead of bowling clubs...LOL
Hello Ivica (Flats) . . .
Interesting. . . . I think I see your current thinking. You just tested the 9 Splits (betting 18 numbers) and now you are betting 5 Finales (17-20 numbers). You wait for 9 Unique Splits or 5 Unique Finales and then bet the last 9 or 5 respectively.
To assist you and others, I have attached a Tracker for the Finales. The manual mode is for entering live or casino spins and the RNG is for more rapid testing.
Enjoy
Nick
PS In case you are thinking of trying this with 6 Unique Streets or 3 Unique Lines, know that I already have Trackers for those as well.
Nicksmi mate,
Really can't grasp anything...could you elaborate it.
-This is WOODOO-WOOWOO,method.
-Did you miss something or am I LOST.
Hello . . .
Maybe I got your system wrong, but it appears to be a Finales Tracking method.
This is a tracker for Finales(numbers whose "final" digits are the same).
It tracks the spins until it locates 5 Unique Finales.
After it finds the 5 Unique Finales, it shows you what Groups/Numbers (17-20 numbers) to bet on.
If you win, then start a new session.
If you lose, then it shows you the LAST five Finales to bet on.
Enter each number spun by your airball or live casino in Column B, Row 5 is where you enter the first spin. (Yellow Column).
Keeping entering the numbers until the tracker has found 5 Unique Finales. It will then show you the 5 Finales Groups to Bet on. For those of you that don't know what numbers belong to each Finales Group, just check the top of the Grid and you will see the numbers listed by groups.
Place your bets on the numbers shown, spin the wheel and enter the resulting spin to see if you won or not.
Use Flat Bets or progression, your choice.
Hope I got it right?
Nick
Got it mate now...thk.
Hey Flat,
what is on the 0 ? 0,10,20,30 ?
and if you have a 10 = 1 = 1,11,21,31 ?
20 = 2 = 2,12,22,32 ?
30 = 3 = 3,13,23,33 ?
Ray 8)
Help me, Nick!
link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=QBBlae4k8GE&feature=player_detailpage# (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=QBBlae4k8GE&feature=player_detailpage#)
It does not work in Microsoft Excel. You have to use OpenOffice spreadsheet. You can download it for free. link:://:.openoffice.org/download/ (link:://:.openoffice.org/download/)
Hi Ray
Zero is part of the 0 Finale, so you would bet on 0,10,20,30 if any of them were part of your recent 5 Finale numbers
Hope that makes sense
Gordon :)
Thanks Gordon, I got it now :thumbsup
@ slatan
thanks for the hint !!! now it works on opencalc.
@ Sam
Have a great vacation, have fun, enjoy, have great time and come home safely.
Ray 8)
Hi Sam . . .
Boy I wish everyone would use a video to show the problems, it makes it so much easier to figure out what's going on.
Slatan was right, I do all coding in Open Office and save as an Excel file, from time to time, the formula's get messed up and I think that is what has happened.
You can get Open Office for free as he pointed out.
In the mean time, I will see if I can open it directly in Excel and see if I can fix it.
Sorry for wasting your time.
Nick
Sam . . .
Attached is another version that I fixed in Excel directly.
See if it now works.
Thanks
Nick
Nick
Still does not work. I put in
5
4
3
2
1
and for a winner
32.......It showed a -20 result but 32 is part of the 2 cadence.
Then I put in 24 and got the VALUE#
Sam
Sam . . .
It is correct.
32 is part of Group 3 Finales.
I know it ends in 2 but it is part of the 3rd Group.
Perhaps, I should have numbered them differently.
Nick
The # Value is a different story, will check that out.
Nick
Nick
I guess I am not understanding it. The "03" group: 2, 12 ,22 ,32......They all end in 2.
When I put in 5,4,3,2,1.......it says bet on groups 2,3,4,5 and 6. You say 32 is part of the 3 group. I agree and it should be a winner.
Or I just don't get it.
Sam
OK, I think I figured out what the bug was in the Excel code.
I also changed the Group Numbers, so that Group 00 is for all numbers ending in 0, Group 1 is for all numbers ending in 1, Group 2 is for all numbers ending in 2 . . . . . .etc. This makes more sense, thanks Sam for pointing that out.
Any more problems, just let me know.
Nick
Hi Nick,
just looked at the excel code and I think there's something wrong.
Look att. pic.
My numbers :
10 group 00 we have group 00
36 group 06 we have group 00 , 06
23 group 03 we have group 00 , 06 , 03
20 group 00 we have group 00 , 06 , 03
3 group 03 we have group 00, 06 , 03 Your excel starts betting here !!!!
25 group 05 we have group 00, 06 , 03 , 05
13 group 03 we have group 00 , 06 , 03 , 05
18 group 08 we have group 00, 06 , 03 , 05 ,08 We should start betting now !!!
Flat say's allways bet on the last five unique groups. And as I recall it bet those groups till you loose.
Once you loose , you take off the fist group recorded and add the newest to the 5 group.
Ray 8)
Quote from: rayhd63 on Aug 28, 05:24 PM 2012
Hey Flat,
what is on the 0 ? 0,10,20,30 ?---yes
and if you have a 10 = 1 = 1,11,21,31 ?----10,20,30,0
20 = 2 = 2,12,22,32 ?-20,10,30,0
30 = 3 = 3,13,23,33 ?--30,20,10,0
Ray 8)
Me lost first session wiesbaden in 14 tested...but only 3 units...which shows
very good potentials for 1+1-
Flat,
what is the longest L-streak you've had in your sessions ?
Ray . . .
Thanks so much for catching that bug in the code.
I have attached new spreadsheets that should fix that.
If you find anything else, just advise.
Thanks
Nick
Hi Nick, thanks for your great work on the spreadsheet. What kind of bug is in v02? Anything to do with the results and cummulative?
Cheers,
-bd
Nick
Works great!
Sam
Hi BD . . .
The changes in v3.0 were twofold:
1. The Matrix was putting some numbers into the wrong Groups.
2. The last 5 Unique Finales were not Unique, there were some duplicate Groups.
No changes in the Results or Cumulative, but I would not trust any previous results you may have gotten as the Bet Selection were changed by the two above bugs.
Thanks Sam . . you all packed for you 1,600 mile road trip? Don't forget the dogs stuff.
Nick
Hi Nickmsi,
Thank you for the spreadsheet and thanks F_LAT_INO for the system.
Sorry to say that the spreadsheet does not work as per F_LAT_INO's description.
Please refer to the attachment in his first post.
Every step is shown clearly. Look for 5 unique group to start betting.
Win or loss you don't stop betting. You keep betting on the last 5 unique.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Regards
Nick
Yes, packed and all. I'll send a pic somewhere along the way. Trip might be more like 4,000 miles!
Now as to Sniper's post--he may be right. I just don't have the time to look at it.
Sm
Thanks Nick,
In that case, I would say that all of my tests and charts using v02 that I posted here is irrelevant. Gotta restart the test with your v03. :thumbsup:
On the other hand, I think Sniper is right regarding continuous betting. It's FLAT's signature like Two-Uncle. It was like that in v02, but not in v03.
Cheers,
-bd
Hi Sniper . . .
If you want to play continuously, Win or Lose, simply increase the "Profit Target".
I think it is set a 1, just change it to 100 or so.
It will then keep playing the last 5 Uniques.
Hope this helps.
Nick
Just read this post. I use to do similar, take just the last four bet 11-14 chips, use the finale on the last four. It is about a 1/3 bet, and my experience is it hit more often than a dozen. I do not know why.
It is maybe a reason we invented a call bet which bet the final figure, and we know, numbers can repeat soon after each over.
If I lose the spin I take not the same bet, rather recalculate the last four and add a chip, until I hit, if on plus start all over otherwise reduce the bet two chips a number.
Quote from: bossdarling on Aug 29, 04:29 AM 2012
WOWW MAAAAN..
F_LAT_INO comes up with innovative idea, and Nickmsi makes it easy for all of us to examine. Thank you..
I test with the first 1000 spins, same live spin database I used in cristal2000 thread.
Total spin: 1000
Revenue: 3,561 u
BR/min bal: ONLY -112u
Strike rate: 68.6%
[attach=1]
What does it mean? It means if we play in 2minute/spin live dealer, with BR $112, you can make $106.8/hour.
It's a WOOOO WOOOOO indeed. Long live FLAT_ino the Emperor!! :twisted:
Let's hope it has consistency in the next tests.
Cheers,
-bd
Hi BD,
What rules did you use exactly to get those graphs?
Thanks
Robert
Hi Robert the Irishman,
I was using Nick's excel v02, didn't change anything. Just put my live spin database into it.
But later on Ray found bug in that version, and Nick has revised it to v03. I should say my previous 2000 spin test and charts using v02 is incorrect.
I'd like to restart the testing with v03. But as Sniper pointed, the betting is stop when L, no matter how much we put the profit target as Nick pointed. So I think I should wait then.
Cheers,
-bd
bd
Are you wanting it to bet multiple times on the five? Like
1
2
3
4
5......now bet on those until a win or stop loss? Then, upon a win, start over?
Sam
Quote from: Stepkevh on Aug 29, 08:07 AM 2012
Flat,
what is the longest L-streak you've had in your sessions ?
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7
@ Nick,
V3.0 starts allright but it stops , in my case after 6 bettings, waits for 4 spins then bets again and stops again for 6 spins to repeat....
It should keep betting the last 5 uniques as long as it wins. When a bet on those number looses , delete the first recorded unique (numbers) and add the new unique (numbers) . So we bet on those 5 Uniques.
There is no stop in betting. Continues betting till Win/Stop target.
Ray 8)
PS: I can hear Nick saying "Sh..t , why does he have to write that..... Version 4.0 is on the way..." :lol:
Flat,
do you make progression on those bettings?!? Or, just flat bets...
Ray 8)
Quote from: rayhd63 on Aug 29, 12:40 PM 2012
Flat,
do you make progression on those bettings?!? Or, just flat bets...
Ray 8)
---Presently only testing flat bet....btw lost another session...2 of 16 tested...but this time 19 un..????
Sam,
I haven't exercise any progressions, waiting for Nick's v04 as Ray pointed :twisted:
Cheers,
-bd
Hi Ray and all . . .
I think the problem that needs clarification is the Unique Numbers.
To start the betting, the first bet, is tracking for 5 "consecutive" Unique Finales. This part seems to be working.
The problem is in the second and subsequent bets. I have continued to use the last 5 "consecutive" Unique Finales as the criteria for a bet, so, you will continue to get bets as long as the last 5 numbers are "consecutive" Unique Finales.
When you get a repeat (a Win), it then tracks for another set of 5 "consecutive" Unique Finales.
I think what Ivica is doing is not using "consecutive" Unique Finales for subsequent bets but non-consecutive Uniques. He must be looking at previous spins to get 5 out the last 6 spins to be Unique, or 5 out of last 7, or 5 out of last 8, etc.
Can you clarify this? If so, I can look at v4.0, that is, if I can figure out how to code this.
Sorry for all the problems, but this is normal when dealing with something new, you always have different interpretations, rules, language problems, etc.
But I am here to help . . .
Nick
Nick,
You got it completely now
"I think what Ivica is doing is not using "consecutive" Unique Finales for subsequent bets but non-consecutive Uniques. He must be looking at previous spins to get 5 out the last 6 spins to be Unique, or 5 out of last 7, or 5 out of last 8, etc."
this is the way it needs to be done
Stef
Guys am giving up on this as lost 3th. session..........
But on the same basis have discover much stronger bet.....
Hope the excel be finished before Real Madrid-Barcelona soccer tonight.
Quote from: Stepkevh on Aug 29, 01:59 PM 2012
Nick,
You got it completely now
"I think what Ivica is doing is not using "consecutive" Unique Finales for subsequent bets but non-consecutive Uniques. He must be looking at previous spins to get 5 out the last 6 spins to be Unique, or 5 out of last 7, or 5 out of last 8, etc."
this is the way it needs to be done
Stef
As i understand it, it's the last five unique in however many spins. Would not matter if it was 6, 7 or 8. Always crossing off the oldest unique when a new one appears. Continuous betting. Going to win, or going to lose 17-20 units per bet. Flat betting until it is determined what kind of progression might work. It's a lot to ask from Excel formulas. Might need a VBA macro.
Thanks guys for clarifying this . . .
Hey Ivica, are you giving up totally on this system? Or just for the day to watch football?
"Guys am giving up on this as lost 3th. session.........."
Nick
i changed the excel so that it rebets the same 5 finales after a win,
the file places way more bets then before,
but to let it check further if a finale repeats...
i really don't have a clue how to do that :question:
with a decent 8 step prog, this thing is a winner
the only progression that i use now for my pennie bets :xd: is
1 2 5 11 25 56 126 284
i added the progr in the file and pressed a lot of F9's and never saw it loose, always +300 till +900 units.
Quote from: Nickmsi on Aug 29, 02:19 PM 2012
Thanks guys for clarifying this . . .
Hey Ivica, are you giving up totally on this system? Or just for the day to watch football?
"Guys am giving up on this as lost 3th. session.........."
Nick
The new one much better and very exciting......but only for those with lot of bullets/dhough/
think it can hardly sink.
Quote from: Stepkevh on Aug 29, 02:30 PM 2012
the only progression that i use now for my pennie bets :xd: is
1 2 5 11 25 56 126 284
i added the progr in the file and pressed a lot of F9's and never saw it lose, always +300 till +900 units.
Covering how many numbers ?
Thanks Ivica . . .
I will wait for the new one and be ready to code it for all . . . hopefully with less bugs this time.
Nick
Here how it should be played to win 150 chips
look attach.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Aug 29, 02:48 PM 2012
Covering how many numbers ?
the 5 finale's like Flat mentioned
Hello . . .
Attached both Manual and RNG v4.0 for the New Version of Flat's Finales. This includes the step progression of +1 for a Loss and resets to 1 on all Wins.
The only difference is that this spreadsheet waits for 5 Consecutive Unique Finales before starting to bet. After that it continuously bets on all non-consecutive Unique Finales. It doesn't make any difference when you start the betting.
For all you testers, I put in an initial Profit Target of 1 and Stop Loss of -100. Keep pressing F9 and recording the results which appear positive so far.
I am also applying this same principle to Streets and Lines because the initial bets will be much lower and the progressions milder.
Nick
Nick,
I tested the rng version and there is still a fault with the last 5 finales.
If i look at your formulas then i see that you use the "left" command to combine the finales,
so your formula deletes the rightmost finale and inputs the new finale in the front.
The rightmost finale is'nt always the oldest finale and theirfore its not giving the right "last finales" combination.
I have almost broken my head al morning how to solve the problem and i found it. :smile:
You will see in my excels that you always have the latest combination of 5 finales.
An rng format and one for manual testing with real spins.
You can change how much the progr must go up on a loss and go down on a win.
You can change the progression itself and also stop loss.
Hopefully some people are happy with it.
Stephan
Thanks Stephan . . .
I too spent too much time on figuring this out and appreciate all the help I can get.
Will look over your spreadsheet, in meantime I am emailing you another method based on this same methodology.
Thanks
Nick
i knew it was possible to do this things with excel instead of making a program for it.
as far as i know i have found it and it would be helpfull to adapt it into the splits variant from Flat.
thats the next thing to do :-)
Stephan
Quote from: Nickmsi on Aug 31, 03:13 PM 2012
Thanks Stephan . . .
I too spent too much time on figuring this out and appreciate all the help I can get.
Will look over your spreadsheet, in meantime I am emailing you another method based on this same methodology.
Thanks
Nick
----why not post it here ???
Hi Ivica . . .
Yes, I intend to post it but it needs further testing to remove any bugs in the code.
Otherwise, we waste a lot of forum time correcting the errors.
Cheers . . . Nick
OK Mate
Mr. Flat i know you like experimenting things especialy EC-s
Maybe you could check on your next play on airball playing last 6-7 numbers 1-x-1 neighbours bet..
To make it 18 depending on situation.
On my session today from 20 units buy in about an hour of play like that, I came out whit 220 :)
Having in mind your words that on airball everthyng tends to repeat more often.. Especialy sectors
Cheers
Drazen
Hi Stephan
Thanks for your Finales excel sheet tracker, I thought I was reasonably good with excel but you and Nick are out there when it comes to programming
I did some inputting of my live spins and found that if I did a progression of a straight 1,2,3,4 etc in the Green cells it has proved to be very effective, I know that is an aggressive proggy but it recovers really well
I'm wondering whether you could tweak the sheet so if you reach even or a new high after an initial loss it resets to 1 unit
Really appreciate your efforts guys
Kind Regards
Gordon :)
Gordon,
I will see what i can do ;D
Just for your information, i'm not a programmer or someone high educated. :D
My job that i normally would do is beiing a welder, but because i broke my left heel and twisted both my inner and outer left ankle about 1,5 year ago i needed to quit my own bussiness and could'nt go to work anymore.
Thats why i have a LOT of time to spend behind my computer while my wife is going to work :xd:
I just learned how to work with excel by trial and error,
just the same way as i'm a complete noob in the programming stuff and thats also
something i want to study on :thumbsup:
Stephan
As requested, ;D
the updated version resets progression to 1 after new high or break even.
Stephan
@Nick, sent you a mail :)
also finished Flats 9 last splits method
both excels here available (in thread where it belongs) :smile:
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10126.30 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10126.30)
Stephan