@GLC, sorry dude for not reply to your PM, especially all the effort you have put in. After I lost money at roulette I was annoyed with myself but I have been visiting this forum but haven't been playing.
Good to see Flatino is back and everything but we discussed everything before and no system can survive in roulette. so why are we still playing and wasting our time?
I made thread about this while back:
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9158.0 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9158.0)
so who's actually winning?
Amazin
There is no system to beat roulette. You have to decide what you want out of roulette.
personally? i need something to study...and read up on. Practically, I go to the casino once a week with my wife. The worse i did in a week in 12 month is -£40, the best £90 up. Me and Grosvenor casino are about even. Aim for a free night out. Thats a buzz.....a free night out.
The wife draw down is -£20, and a £190 up. she is still up on the year.
She bets on 0,26,32 and birthdays. Im trying every system under the sun.
there is your answer
Come on amazin, roulette is life when you think about it, you love her but inevitaably she will break your heart , but you still come back maybe just me but there is alot more goin on than just a ball spinning and jumping around falling in pocket, its not about systems it's the game the chase man. So many great minds on this forum so many "fun" systems Roulette has never been more interesting. ld
Quote from: turnerfeck on Aug 31, 06:30 PM 2012
Amazin
There is no system to beat roulette. You have to decide what you want out of roulette.
personally? i need something to study...
there is your answer
This is my answer too
"so why are we still playing and wasting our time?"-Amazin
There is money in Roulette. Mr. J wins in the thousands.
Quote from: Amazin on Aug 31, 06:13 PM 2012
@GLC, sorry dude for not reply to your PM, especially all the effort you have put in. After I lost money at roulette I was annoyed with myself but I have been visiting this forum but haven't been playing.
Good to see F_LAT_INO is back and everything but we discussed everything before and no system can survive in roulette. so why are we still playing and wasting our time?
I made thread about this while back:
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9158.0 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9158.0)
so who's actually winning?
Your question is pointless because no success story here can be verified. If you have an internet access and can find this website you can post anything here. Most people are here because they keep looking for a method that will make money or they are just new to the game. Some just gave up and vent their frustration. Some claim to be successful but its irrelevant because we have not seen any long term proof here. For any person that posts anything that works for him we have always somebody that claims otherwise. Have we had anything that was posted here that was agreed upon to be a sure winner? ;D I do believe that there are some people that make money from roulette (not by selling books or systems though) but the bad news is that you might not be able ever benefit from this fact.
Quote from: Amazin on Aug 31, 06:13 PM 2012
Good to see F_LAT_INO is back and everything but we discussed everything before and no system can survive in roulette. so why are we still playing and wasting our time?
I made thread about this while back:
so who's actually winning?
Well when you already mentioned mr. Flatino, he is winning. And winning with those systems that cant survive in roulette you know? :lol:
There are people who are succesfull. One way or another. Everyone has to find his own way i say.
Cheers
Drazen
Having read robeen and Drazen......
My father was a compulsive gambler. You heard the wins and never the losses. Dont reflect on whos winning and whos losing. In my view, if someone loses, then goes off to find out why and regroup with renewed vigor, they are the winner.
Some people exagurate their wins and dumb down their losses.
Like Robeen said....no success story here can be verified
Flat_ino may come here and report that he made a mint on his system then you try it and it flops.
All our ideas are like racecars on a track. The track is random numbers.
Turner
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Well if you have time to waste then you can read some valid opinions about the subject below.
Note:
First of all i don't use roulette systems.
Now i believe that some roulette system players can end up in the positive area each month.
They are underdogs who fight against the negative expectation and it exist various way to manage a good overall playing model for that.
It exist many tools to make some to use skills to hovering around above the sea line.
There is bankroll management and money management that should be the core into any valid playing model.
Then know how to accept loses and realize that all systems lose in the long run - but clever gamblers don't as they know the difference between weak and strong spots during play.
Conclusion is that i believe that some succeed.
It is does who know that you don't us all your money and go all in to win a small %.
As they know nothing is due to happen and it will happen sooner or later if you use that kind of strategy.
I believe that does who succeed have various methods and play short rapid games with strict rules.
Know when to hold them or fold them regarding each tactic.
Now do i think some one can become full time player and quit work.
Yes i do and there is no glamour at all.
Play roulette is fun. All games is risky, and a very few has fair odds. Roulette is not a skill game at all.
Its neeeds not much brain to win, rather luck.
If you win much with a method (which is possible) it just happen to work during the play.
You can adjust for winning some easy, but to an expense of a bigger loss later.
Many other things in life is similar, we can success at least for a while, even if the odds are real poor.
The stock market has similar properties, it goes up and the system bust at the end. Still some are winners, normally they run out in time.
To win all the time is a dream, which very unlikely will come true.
If the casino hold is 25%, then 75% is exchanged between players, other players pay if we win, never the bank. It holds for normal banks as well.
Quote from: Ralph on Sep 01, 06:04 AM 2012
Play roulette is fun. Roulette is not a skill game at all.
Its neeeds not much brain to win, rather luck.
For those that first quoted sentence is true, then second and third can't be false.
But if first is false for some, then also 2nd and 3rd are false.
In my case all sentences above are very wrong. What i know depends about nothing but the skill... Luck in my case/ life concernig roulette comes in another formes :)
Cheers
Drazen
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Sep 01, 03:00 AM 2012
Your question is pointless because no success story here can be verified. If you have an internet access and can find this website you can post anything here. Most people are here because they keep looking for a method that will make money or they are just new to the game. Some just gave up and vent their frustration. Some claim to be successful but its irrelevant because we have not seen any long term proof here. For any person that posts anything that works for him we have always somebody that claims otherwise. Have we had anything that was posted here that was agreed upon to be a sure winner? ;D I do believe that there are some people that make money from roulette (not by selling books or systems though) but the bad news is that you might not be able ever benefit from this fact.
I agree with Robeenhuut.
And I also want to highlight the thing that turnerfeck said about people-members that tell-announce and brag about the winnings but don't tell anything about the losses.
That s why we always see them trying to find a new system.
If you have a system that is a real winner(win more than it s losing) then you don't need a 2nd system....Because IF a winning system would exist it would be a miracle, so asking-trying to find a 2nd one would be a silly thing to do.
The reason why some people like having more than one systems is because none of those systems is a real winner and they think that by playing both of them it will give them an edge.
This is wrong. If you have 2 or more systems that losing and play them together then the loss will be double.
In fact when you have a system that isn t a real winner , everytime you plave 1 chip on every spin you are losing on average:
- 2,7 chips per 100 spins...
-27 chips in 1000 betting spins,
-270 chips on 10.000 betting spins
-2.700 chips on 100.000 betting spins
Etc.
So by placing 2 chips on every spin the loss will be double:
-5,4 per 100 spins
-54 per 1000 spins
-540 per 10.000 spins
-5.400 per 100.000 spins
Every system known or unknown that I have tested in RX showed the above results...and it does that be LAW....the law of the house edge -2,7.
Some people are strong believers of the Hit and Run because they think that by this way the house edge won t have any power on them.
If fact what they can t realise is that the house edge is still there because in every spin we have -2,7% chances of winning no matter what system-method-bet we play(with exception the VB and Bias play).
There will be sessions with Hit and Run that will not be able to make a positive balance ,not even +1 chip for allowing to leave the casino and in those visits the BR of the system will be lost.
So those sessions are making the hit and run act the same like betting consistently without
running after
hitting.
So until a winning system will be discovered all systems will be under the -2,7.
Quote from: turnerfeck on Sep 01, 05:48 AM 2012
Having read robeen and Drazen......
My father was a compulsive gambler. You heard the wins and never the losses. don't reflect on whos winning and whos losing. In my view, if someone loses, then goes off to find out why and regroup with renewed vigor, they are the winner.
Some people exagurate their wins and dumb down their losses.
Like Robeen said....no success story here can be verified
Flat_ino may come here and report that he made a mint on his system then you try it and it flops.
All our ideas are like racecars on a track. The track is random numbers.
Turner
Dear Turner first of all some of us here can't be in same basket as compulsive gamblers like your father was. So we can't talk about wins/losses that way.
Further, the ones who are trying F_LAT_INO - s or anyone elses system just because he said he is winning, withouth testing and checking those claims, are silly and naive gamblers.
You should always check or in some cases confirm your edge before put money on the table.
That race track is random for 99% of you, but there are few of us for who it isnt excatly so.
But how hard and long is to get to the point where roulette stopps being random is anotery story.
And most important thing is actualy knowing some things and claiming this and that works, and i know this and that, but taking money with it in reality when faced with casinos eyes is what makes heroes here...
Cheers
Drazen
"""Further, the ones who are trying F_LAT_INO - s or anyone elses system just because he said he is winning, withouth testing and checking those claims, are silly and naive gamblers.
You should always check or in some cases confirm your edge before put money on the table."""
I agree 100% with drazen_cro about this!
Drazen you said :
That race track is random for 99% of you, but there are few of us for who it isnt excatly so.
But how hard and long is to get to the point where roulette stopps being random is anotery story.
Are you refaring To Marigny and in general systems with correction of events deviations?
Ok lets elaborate on some alleged winning strategies like opportunistic betting meaning waiting for just one bet opportunity and placing just one large bet - win or lose. There was one guy called Steve Morgan that used to play reversed double dozen system - he bet against repeating of a pattern of dozens. Then he placed one large bet and claimed that he won 19 out of 20 times. Its like for example waiting for 1 dozen to hit 8 times in a row and bet for it not to repeat again. I only saw it happen 2 times and i would won 2 times :D You know that it could happen 12 or 13 times..... Would you believe his claim? But its possible.
I agree with MOP and my intentions are not to doubt any success stories including FLAT's who was singled out at the beginning of this thread. Its better to post any method than not to post at all. I learned a lot more here why something does not work here than why something works and i dont consider this a waste of time. We wont get here a method that could be played on autopilot but we have an opportunity to take advantage of some ideas here and morph it into something that could increase our chances.
I also don't consider my roulette research journey as a loss of time because I enjoy it and what I have learned is what the randomness is capable of doing and not doing...(acting of randomness)
i also consider the most educational thing that I learned from this game is VB...
With VB I learned how to measure 2 different rotating objects and finding out where the meeting point of them is gonna be(strike point).
The point that I can t use it to make fruits from this game because of the today wheels conditions is an other sad story.
The sad point of this journey (the studing-researching that we all do here) is that it didn t gave any fruits.
And the most sad is that me and everyone else that have studied roulette(randomness-MM) has NO DIFFERENCE when it comes in real play with a person that has NOT studied ANYTHING about the game!
Because in the end of the day WE(the ones that did huge research) and he(that didn t make any research) we have the SAME chances of winning(or I should say better on LOSING).
But here i am and still enjoying my journey ...Why I still continue researching?
Because it s filling me with hopes that maybe one day a winning system will be found.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Sep 01, 06:40 AM 2012
I agree 100% with drazen_cro about this!
Drazen you said :
That race track is random for 99% of you, but there are few of us for who it isnt excatly so.
But how hard and long is to get to the point where roulette stopps being random is anotery story.
Are you refaring To Marigny and in general systems with correction of events deviations?
Well yes beating roulette with deviations is one way that is maybe a bit safer then all else like some systems. But even here you need good MM to apply.
2nd thing is VB but i won't discuss this as you say VB is almost dead and that there is no way you can succeed nowadays which i know is wrong...
3rd thing BIAS play-- maybe safest and best of all Advantage-play methods. But when you find your cow for milking after month of preparation and tracking can happen if you say something then "big egoistic Advantage-play-s" come and arrise flag in a few days of play (and you thought they were your friends) Becasue you live behind God-s back and they will never return there... They don't give a sh*t for you. And you could milk that cow for a decent time by yourself.
Just another life lesson :)
Cheers
Drazen
""Well yes beating roulette with deviations is one way that is maybe a bit safer then all else like some systems. But even here you need good MM to apply.""
I also trend to agree on this but I don't know if even with this way a long run success can happen.
But I sure consider it safer than all other methods(not including Advantage-play)
""2nd thing is VB but i won't discuss this as you say VB is almost dead and that there is no way you can succeed nowadays which i know is wrong..."""
For this I will say that I am correct and wrong at the same time.
What I mean is that I sure know that SOME opportunities are still there in finding a wheel that can provide the needing conditions to play(this is where I am wrong)....
But those nice wheels are so rare these days that the need for traveling is a MUST case...and even if by traveling a nice wheel will be found , the advantage will be tiny and not like the old days.(this is where I am correct)
And if add that when the casino management will understand that You are appling VB on a wheel ,they will imediatelly kill your game by simply telling no more bets very soon in the spin, then this is why I am 100% correct.
"""3rd thing BIAS play-- maybe safest and best of all Advantage-play methods. But when you find your cow for milking after month of preparation and tracking can happen if you say something then "big egoistic Advantage-play-s" come and arrise flag in a few days of play (and you thought they were your friends) Becasue you live behind God-s back and they will never return there... They don't give a sh*t for you."""
Yes i agree and we must not also forget that If and when casino will spot that someone is doing bias play they can change the cone position or remove the wheel and all this time and effort that was made to colect the spins to find the bias will be gone...
So Advantage-play for me is like working in coalmine and the fruits will be little.
Well bias is intressting and i am lucky that i got a working playing model.
Thanks to Laurance Scott ...
He create a complete method that does not need defect spotting that is Snowman's speciality.
Laurance had i dialog with Thorp and from that he could conclude how to find bias wheels with out defect spotting and show when numbers are not due towards random fluctation.
So yes there still exist valid ways to explore physics.
Regarding visual ballistics so do i agree that you can not reach a big advantage with today's wheel - but still you can maintan an edge over the house.
If you are VB player maybe better chances you will have in America. As Advantage-play-s there say that casinos are not in so big fear under Advantage-play because they think trying to overcome -5.26 is quite hard trick.
But on contrary there is man who has big team and they will spot and do the wheel before you blink..
Especialy if you are not silenced too much about it..
Cheers
Drazen
Just one thought about VB. Basically when the information flow became available due to the internet at the end of the 90's don't you think that casinos would implement countermeasures earlier if many players were able to win money on a constant basis? Lets say i think I'm good at VB and i am able to win money for some time using it. How can you tell that its really due to my VB approach and not to just a pure luck that i can ride on using any conventional method? Just a VB newbie question ;D
--It seems am forced to say few words here.......any reasonable system/method
could win for anybody,as long as he plays it propely and know what he is after.
I don't win/lose with methods but with approach to the game.There were nights
when I didn't top the chip,drunk my drink,walked around,and went home.
This is one of the winning approaches.....said all.
If a break through ever will come, its a short window, to exploit it. The casinos will adopt rules to meet it.
It has happen before, a few years ago the table limit at BVNZ was much higher, the same at roulette Express, they adjust due to profit went down, and a few won much.
Not long time ago they change the rules of commission for no edge play, as they lost, now it is calculated by sessions, a so much difference I went to zero wheel.
A way of do playing can never be a secret, you do not play alone, and everything is monitored on line as at landbased.
I myself thought I had a winning system, It won and won, for a time, the outcome can never be predicted. Any bet which not lose by math, ie cover all, other bets have a possibility to lose every spin.
Random makes such a series will come soon or later. Very late if you have luck or at my age I may not see it, as in the long run I am dead.
Many, most of them, mix up the skill in VB with luck.
Why nobody wants luck?
A Hint!
You collecting numbers in thousends, look for entropy.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Sep 01, 08:02 AM 2012
Just one thought about VB. Basically when the information flow became available due to the internet at the end of the 90's don't you think that casinos would implement countermeasures earlier if many players were able to win money on a constant basis? Lets say i think I'm good at VB and i am able to win money for some time using it. How can you tell that its really due to my VB approach and not to just a pure luck that i can ride on using any conventional method? Just a VB newbie question ;D
And here is ur answer.
When u are winning with VB you know WHY you are winning because you see into the wheel and you spot if
the ball is hitting the DD and then fall at ur strike point preediction and then the ball makes the average jump(scatter) that u had included on ur prediction offset....So with VB you can spot why you are winning because you can see the paramiters of the wheel happening and all those paramiters are being made with phisics .because before you play you have already spot/determined/measured the paramiters of the certain wheel.
Wile with a system we don t have any paramiters being made from anything...
Nice posts from MOP, Drazen, Robeen.
In the reference to my father, I was trying to get across the point that collating who is winning and who is loosing is neither here nor there. It cant be trusted to be accurate, and the same method could dive bomb the day after, so yesterdays win is more like yesterdays luck.
Turner
"""I was trying to get across the point that collating who is winning and who is losing is neither here nor there. It can't be trusted to be accurate, and the same method could dive bomb the day after, so yesterdays win is more like yesterdays luck."""
I agree and this is why reability from the M and a lot of testing is required.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Sep 01, 10:10 AM 2012
And here is your answer.
When You are winning with VB you know WHY you are winning because you see into the wheel and you spot if the ball is hitting the DD and then fall at your strike point preediction and then the ball makes the average jump(scatter) that u had included on your prediction offset....
So with VB you can spot why you are winning because you can see the paramiters of the wheel happening and all those paramiters are being made with physics .because before you play you have already spot/determined/measured the paramiters of the certain wheel.
Wile with a system we don't have any paramiters being made from anything...
Hehe MOP
Yeah i get it. My point was that it was possible to win for a quite long time using different methods no matter what bet selection was within for example EC bet. If you are ahead using DBL or FTL at the same time which one is the right one? For VB you think that your bet follows mechanical movement of the ball but it might coincide with betting on the hot sector. For a while at least. ;D
Quote from: Amazin on Aug 31, 06:13 PM 2012
@GLC, sorry dude for not reply to your PM, especially all the effort you have put in. After I lost money at roulette I was annoyed with myself but I have been visiting this forum but haven't been playing.
Good to see F_LAT_INO is back and everything but we discussed everything before and no system can survive in roulette. so why are we still playing and wasting our time?
I made thread about this while back:
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9158.0 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9158.0)
so who's actually winning?
...er....don't think he's listening anyways.
"""For VB you think that your bet follows mechanical movement of the ball but it might coincide with betting on the hot sector. For a while at least."""
Regarding VB there are no coincidences.
If you see that the ball after a lot of spins is hitting one or 2 Diamonds most of the time then this isn t coincidence....it s because there is a tilt.
If you see that the average scatter(of minimum 300 spins data) of the ball is e.g. +15 pockets it s not a coincidence because this jump is a result of the type+weight of the ball+the type of the frets+the speed of the rotor.(all physics stuff no guessing).
From your posts I can tell that u haven t studied VB a lot so this is why you say those things....(it s not bad...You can still learn more things although i wouldn t advice u to do it because there is noy making money with VB anymore)
It seems that you do have a little knowledge of VB but it isn t enough so that s why You are making these conclusions.
An other thing is that the PRO VB player must know/do is if in some point he observes that the conditions changed(because for example an old lady farted close to the wheel and the barometric air pressure changed causing different ball timings and/or making the tilt lighter ;D) then he immediately stops the play.
The player can identify this change because he will see in the next spins that the ball doesn't hit the DD as much as it was expected and/or because the knee point of the ball has changed or gone ot the average ball jump has changed or all together.
This is an other reason why I don't like VB...because the paramiters are very sensitive and can change because:
1)Temperature changing
2)Barometer changing
3)The hand of the dealer had a little s.hit on his finger that he spins the ball because he didn t wash his hands after he took a s.hit ;D
This is why I am telling you that the VB player KNOWS why he wins or why he loses....
While with the other systems you don t know when luck is gonna leave you
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Sep 01, 11:36 AM 2012
"""For VB you think that your bet follows mechanical movement of the ball but it might coincide with betting on the hot sector. For a while at least."""
Regarding VB there are no coincidences.
If you see that the ball after a lot of spins is hitting one or 2 Diamonds most of the time then this isn t coincidence....it s because there is a tilt.
If you see that the average scatter(of minimum 300 spins data) of the ball is e.g. +15 pockets it s not a coincidence because this jump is a result of the type+weight of the ball+the type of the frets+the speed of the rotor.(all physics stuff no guessing).
From your posts I can tell that u haven t studied VB a lot so this is why you say those things....(it s not bad...You can still learn more things although i wouldn t advice u to do it because there is noy making money with VB anymore)
It seems that you do have a little knowledge of VB but it isn t enough so that s why You are making these conclusions.
An other thing is that the PRO VB player must know/do is if in some point he observes that the conditions changed(because for example an old lady farted close to the wheel and the barometric air pressure changed causing different ball timings and/or making the tilt lighter ;D ) then he immediately stops the play.
The player can identify this change because he will see in the next spins that the ball doesn't hit the DD as much as it was expected and/or because the knee point of the ball has changed or gone ot the average ball jump has changed or all together.
This is an other reason why I don't like VB...because the paramiters are very sensitive and can change because:
1)Temperature changing
2)Barometer changing
3)The hand of the dealer had a little s.hit on his finger that he spins the ball because he didn t wash his hands after he took a s.hit ;D
This is why I am telling you that the VB player KNOWS why he wins or why he loses....
While with the other systems you don't know when luck is gonna leave you
Thanks for explanation. It sure sounds like more fun than any regular betting especially taking into consideration a hygiene level of the dealer ;D
Hahahhaha! :D
If someone wants to make money from roulette using VB he must have these things:
1)A lot of money for BR and traveling.
2)A team of at least 3 very trustfull members(for recording data and camo play).
3)A lot of free time for all the members of the team for traveling/playing/scouting wheels.
4)Very strong legs and back for standing close to the wheels for hours.
5)Mules patient.
It s not a joke and it has no glamour. It s like working in the coalmine.
Vb know, they do not regard luck! VB is as all other methods depended of luck.
They count "BR tg yt" and sometimes win. br tg yt" and they have to consult the dentist.
WOODOO, a lucky streak make theire skill, just luck. Using this, can make winnings, if the outcome will be as the VB wanted.
Hard, but a modern wheel will trough the vb toward the luck.
All is WOODOO VB is WOODOO all METHODS is WOODO, but still cabn work, thats a random outcome.
I am a millionare due to luck, and will play more low to not give lady luck back most of it.
OMG I didn t know we had a millioner in our forum! :D
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Sep 01, 12:18 PM 2012
OMG I didn t know we had a millioner in our forum! :D
I was good friends withJohn Rezeznik..goo goo dolls..in a chat room. He had a bob or 2 :wink:
Well why do members here care if all systems lose in the long run - we all know they do.
But what about does who win two out of three sessions on regular basis.
What about does who win three out of four sessions on regular basis.
Maybe it also exist does who win four out of five sessions on regular basis.
Then they succeed with out having the holy grail and we all know the holy grail does not exist.
I believe that there is players who do just that.
They are does who understand that a valid Money Management Strategy is the "engine room" ...
One good MM strategy does not allow you to play with one big bankroll and aim for a small % that sooner or later will lose.
They have there own variance and hit ratio based upon cruel tools that does not allow a game with errors - being sloppy or fuzzy.
I am sure they exist :xd:
Quote from: ego on Sep 02, 08:54 AM 2012
Well why do members here care if all systems lose in the long run - we all know they do.
But what about does who win two out of three sessions on regular basis.
What about does who win three out of four sessions on regular basis.
Maybe it also exist does who win four out of five sessions on regular basis.
Then they succeed with out having the holy grail and we all know the holy grail does not exist.
I believe that there is players who do just that.
They are does who understand that a valid Money Management Strategy is the "engine room" ...
One good MM strategy does not allow you to play with one big bankroll and aim for a small % that sooner or later will lose.
They have there own variance and hit ratio based upon cruel tools that does not allow a game with errors - being sloppy or fuzzy.
I am sure they exist :xd:
Yeah lots of players subscribe to the goal of winning 2 out of 3 sessions or 3/4. So lets play 1 session. If you win or lose play another one. Then play one more. If you lose all 3 or 2 out of 3 then hope for the better result tomorrow. Never try to win your money back the same day. Why?
Tomorrow is it going to be a better set of numbers to bet on? You have to get out of a bad streak and hope for a better streak tomorrow? It just doesn't make any sense except that you limit your losses for a session and hope for a reversal of fortune tomorrow ;D If somebody makes a claim of winning 2 out 3 sessions in a single casino visit it always raises a red flag for me. I just smell a Bs..
Am saying this for years now.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Sep 02, 09:28 AM 2012
Yeah lots of players subscribe to the goal of winning 2 out of 3 sessions or 3/4. So lets play 1 session. If you win or lose play another one. Then play one more. If you lose all 3 or 2 out of 3 then hope for the better result tomorrow. Never try to win your money back the same day. Why?
Tomorrow is it going to be a better set of numbers to bet on? You have to get out of a bad streak and hope for a better streak tomorrow? It just doesn't make any sense except that you limit your losses for a session and hope for a reversal of fortune tomorrow ;D If somebody makes a claim of winning 2 out 3 sessions in a single casino visit it always raises a red flag for me. I just smell a Bs..
Sure that could be a valid point.
But still i know at least one who try and succeed end up with a positive balance each month.
For how long i don't know and will not mention names.
Then i know a other one who play allot who say you can do just that - winning for months.
Then from the open you start get every session against you and make a big bite into your bankroll.
But still left with some winnings.
So i still believe that there exist does who succeed.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Sep 02, 09:36 AM 2012
Am saying this for years now.
What is it that you have been saying for many years - don't understand you point of view.
Ego
Its nothing personal. People do make money in roulette but they are usually seasoned players.
2 out of 3 guys are just bit more intelligent that "i win all the sessions" guys. To me its just a system seller talk and nothing else. I don't have a method but with a proper MM and BR i make constant $$$ Bs.
But 2/3 is Holy Grail in disguise with of course a similar win goal and stop-loss... ;D
Its fine - for me it has no effect as i don't use roulette systems.
But now i find a new approach when testing different ideas.
For each strategy or method there is strict MM rules.
That way i can see if a method can get a high strike ratio.
I made a topic about MM and GLC already did it before me.
My MM topic is at: link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10151.0 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10151.0)
Feel free to drop a comment ...
No offense, but hit and run works only in the minds of some gamblers on this forum (JL,FLATINO,iggiv,Robeenhuut..), and a few beginners who believe these old gamblers without evidence.
speed
"""Well why do members here care if all systems lose in the long run - we all know they do.
But what about does who win two out of three sessions on regular basis.
What about does who win three out of four sessions on regular basis.
Maybe it also exist does who win four out of five sessions on regular basis."""
ego it seems that u haven t understood that IF someone can win 2 of 3 or 3 of 4 or 4 of 5 sessions on a regular bases , THEN THIS ALSO MEANS THAT THEIR SYSTEM/SYSTEMS CAN WIN IN THE LONG RUN.
Winning in the long run simply means that you are winning more than you are losing.
Robeen and speed are right.
Quote from: speed on Sep 02, 10:09 AM 2012
No offense, but hit and run works only in the minds of some gamblers on this forum (JL,F_LAT_INO,iggiv,Robeenhuut..), and a few beginners who believe these old gamblers without evidence.
speed
It easy to test ...
Pick one posted method that they post and apply a good MM with strict rules.
Then you get your own evidence.
The question is if you are lazy - why would they do that for you - its up to you to prove them wrong.
and when you hear from players that are winning for months or maybe even years this doesn't mean that in the next visit plays they will not give their winning away + the BR.
We have all seen systems that passed 10.000 spins with profit because the good fluctiation on the particilar spins helped their system to win.But we also all know that after those 10.000 spins the system tanked badly giving all the winnings back + the BR.
This is the same things that is happening with the real play...in let s say 100 visits the luck was on your side and won a great amount of money....but then as you continue to play the same thing with the 10.000 spins graph will happen in real play.after the 10.000 spins it will tank
And those who think that 10.000 spin it s a great amount of spins to win so they won t play more spins to lose is also a big fallacy that is coming from the luck of knowledge.
Because if they had tested the same system in an other set of 10.000 spins it is possible that the system won t be able to produce even +1 chip....because the bad fluctuation happened from the begining....
So in the end of the day the point is NOT how many spins a system can pass...because this is just LUCK based on the certain set of spins that the system was tested on....
The real deal is the system to be able to pass ANY given set of spins and be able to always make +1 from the previous high.
Then If the above is happening we are speaking about a system that can win more than it loses...in other words a long run winner and in other words the H.G.
I ll post this post in a new thread with the intention of trying help some ppl get out of this fallacy.
Quote from: speed on Sep 02, 10:09 AM 2012
No offense, but hit and run works only in the minds of some gamblers on this forum (JL,F_LAT_INO,iggiv,Robeenhuut..), and a few beginners who believe these old gamblers without evidence.
speed
I think you got it completely wrong Speed to peg me as a hit n run believer and i do not have a problem to be included in a company of fine gents as JL,FLAT and iggiv. ;D
maybe :D
I believe hit n run only relevant in a real casino. BUT even then it comes down to luck and when you happen to join.
If you play a system for 1 mill spins you run into streaks and streaks of bad spins and they happen every 1 mill spins.
The roulette wheel is always spinning in a casino so if your lucky you will join at certain times and miss these bad spins. Doesnt mean that your system beats roulette, your just joining and leaving at opportune times. You might turn up at spin 340,000 in a sequence of 1 million spins, and hit a run of 22 Blacks etc etc. These bad spins are happening whether playing or not. You need a little bit of luck and good money management.
My In laws frequent casino much more than me and lose 20 times out of 21. I always joke and ask how much they won, they respond with " I was winning but then gave it all back." To make gambling work you must treat your money like a business, and even then you need some luck.
I dont know enough about online casino but i would not trust them as far as I could kick them.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Sep 02, 10:29 AM 2012
and when you hear from players that are winning for months or maybe even years this doesn't mean that in the next visit plays they will not give their winning away + the BR.
You must have experienced it when so frustruated and negative.
Losing all winnings +BR shows me that you have lost it on Marty,
but you see we don't play your game,that's why we are winners.
--And Speed just for you to know;I have travelled most parts of the Globe
playing and winning roulette....btw...there are some proofs on this forum
about that....so stop talking nonsense like MOP.
Why are we still playing roulette?
BECAUSE we know that any one of our best systems requires an equally matching money management method .
To know WHEN to get up is the secret of success.
Nothing wrong by leaving the casino with a pile of money after only 11 spins .Don`t overstay your welcome.
Tamino
One eye on the table and one eye on the door !!!
Thats my mantra.
Dino.
Quote from: dino246 on Sep 03, 03:55 PM 2012
One eye on the table and one eye on the door !!!
that's my mantra.
Dino.
Great !
Or :One eye on the table and on foot pointing towards the door. !!
With all that we can enlarge the winners circle.
Tamino
This TYPE of question always kills me.
If you dont think others do 'well' with this game, so what? Just because Joe Smith has put a total of 9 hours into the game with no success (trial & error), does that mean, the other guy that has put in HUNDREDS (if not thousands) of hours deserves the same fate or label as...... "you cant win"?
I have no use for the 9 hour guys, they cant TEACH me a thing except how to quit, no thank you. If you feel AP (cough) is the way to riches, thats cool, have a blast. If you feel you (or others) can not do 'well' with methods, the door is behind you, dont forget your jacket.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 03, 04:38 PM 2012
This TYPE of question always kills me.
If you don't think others do 'well' with this game, so what? Just because Joe Smith has put a total of 9 hours into the game with no success (trial & error), does that mean, the other guy that has put in HUNDREDS (if not thousands) of hours deserves the same fate or label as...... "you can't win"?
I have no use for the 9 hour guys, they can't TEACH me a thing except how to quit, no thank you. If you feel Advantage-play (cough) is the way to riches, that's cool, have a blast. If you feel you (or others) can not do 'well' with methods, the door is behind you, don't forget your jacket.
Ken
what exactly are you trying to say?
Everyone, this is just madness. Some of you almost suggest that the reason you play roulette is because you have nothing better to do.("I need something to study"). There are better hobbies out there. No matter what it is, it will cost you time and money. In roulette you can lose money and get nothing back.
QuoteWinning in the long run simply means that you are winning more than you are losing.
If thats true then imagine I win £5m in the space of 25 years then loss all of it within few months. How terrible would I feel? All that time and effort wasted. Someone need to shut down all the roulette forums.
Researching roulette is fun to me. Can I make money? Theres a good chance I can.
If you have a monthly budget which you can lose then you could be successful.
JohnLegend, XXVV, Flatino and Mr J have shown this.
There are more ofcourse.
*** Someone need to shut down all the roulette forums****
sOmeOne?
Sam
I play roulette because i am able to profit some units to buy some more chips.
And then i return and play again with bigger units. After all it is casino money, expenses deducted.
So if i make one or two units a day i am happy.
When i retire from work there will be no pension or social services, so i am wondering what value will be the chips i will be placing then...
Probably i will be into sports betting.
Cheers
O0
Quote from: amk on Sep 03, 06:15 PM 2012
Researching roulette is fun to me. Can I make money? Theres a good chance I can.
If you have a monthly budget which you can lose then you could be successful.
JohnLegend, XXVV, F_LAT_INO and Mr J have shown this.
There are more ofcourse.
lol, using phrases like that just shows that you don't have a winning method. My point is simply this:
why are you all wasting time on something that cannot be beat? Your time is your life, invest in other hobbies will be more fruitful than playing this wasting money. Even learning poker is more fun than this because you can make living out of it. How many professional roulette players out there? who's actually make a living out of roulette?
Why don't you travel around,to some well known world casino,
and see real players how they take em on.Take it from you and alikes
that didn't learn as yet...but lot of time for you to do so....nothing personal.
Quote from: Amazin on Sep 03, 06:03 PM 2012
what exactly are you trying to say?
Everyone, this is just madness. Some of you almost suggest that the reason you play roulette is because you have nothing better to do.("I need something to study"). There are better hobbies out there. No matter what it is, it will cost you time and money. In roulette you can lose money and get nothing back.
If that's true then imagine I win £5m in the space of 25 years then loss all of it within few months. How terrible would I feel? All that time and effort wasted. Someone need to shut down all the roulette forums.
You hit the nail on the head.....its madness Ted...
My personal problem is Obsessive compulsive disorder...mixed with alchoholism and depression.
Studying makes the black dog go away. Its got little to do with winning for me. Its a challange to become knowledgable about a subject. I became a 2000 ECO Chess player starting at 37 years old by obsessive study.
Im mad.....quite quite mad.
OCD.....my best friend :-) ......(and Stella Artois)
Well we can start playing chess then.....E-4....am 1st degree master,and last game had few years back
why is everyone still play roulette?
honest, true and accurate answer would be : BECAUSE WE ARE GAMBLERS :)
Quote from: turnerfeck on Sep 05, 06:53 PM 2012
I became a 2000 ECO Chess player starting at 37 years old by obsessive study.
I'm at 1850 so you got me there TF. :)
i hope i am wrong on what i am thinking and if ever i am correct.
i am who i am, you are who you are and they are who they are.
people are rational they know what is fun for them and whats not. if they wanted to waste time and money in the casino so be it just call the hotline when its already too much.
imho
Everyone express his own feelings and experiences about the game and thats welcome.
While good systems/methods & money management are crucial, the key in my opinion lies in how to make the casino *or others* pay for your losses (like building comp money for example, *or deducting losses as a business expense :) )
The " comp game " must be played just as well as any game at the casino. Comped free rooms for 2 nites are terrific rewards they are just like winnings.
Tamino
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!.
Quote from: Skakus on Sep 05, 07:20 PM 2012
I'm at 1850 so you got me there TF. :)
Oops...im bigging myself up there. I converted my ECF rating wrong. I'm 1850 too.
This is about love, but can be an issue of why we play.
link:://youtu.be/FThnC71zzK8 (link:://youtu.be/FThnC71zzK8)
link:://youtu.be/47Wy0eIbrZM (link:://youtu.be/47Wy0eIbrZM)
Quote from: speed on Sep 05, 07:07 PM 2012
why is everyone still play roulette?
honest, true and accurate answer would be : BECAUSE WE ARE GAMBLERS :)
I Agree, and as long as we have it under control, and it is not taking over or lives, and putting it before our families, then I see no problem being a Gambler.
Thanks
malcop
Quote from: Ralph on Sep 06, 04:45 AM 2012
This is about love, but can be an issue of why we play.
link:://youtu.be/FThnC71zzK8 (link:://youtu.be/FThnC71zzK8)
link:://youtu.be/47Wy0eIbrZM (link:://youtu.be/47Wy0eIbrZM)
Ralph, those clips are crappy!
check this out>>>
link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=518XP8prwZo# (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=518XP8prwZo#)
By intention ! You got it?
Quote from: speed on Sep 05, 07:07 PM 2012
why is everyone still play roulette?
honest, true and accurate answer would be : BECAUSE WE ARE GAMBLERS :)
nah, more like a bunch of helpless idiots who can't find better way to spend time. Your time is your time. Roulette might be fun to some of you but it costs money and time. What do you get out of it? some short lived pleasure. You might as well take drugs.
Quote from: Amazin on Sep 07, 07:19 PM 2012
nah, more like a bunch of helpless idiots who can't find better way to spend time. Your time is your time. Roulette might be fun to some of you but it costs money and time. What do you get out of it? some short lived pleasure. You might as well take drugs.
If I can say something. Jep, its me to fun play it,and maybe win, so? I have my job, even I won lotto,there is no difference,still I would went my job because I got bothered for sure,maybe less hours in work but still I do something in there.
Regards Timo
Quote from: Skakus on Sep 06, 05:43 AM 2012
Ralph, those clips are crappy!
check this out>>>
link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=518XP8prwZo# (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=518XP8prwZo#)
Hoh, what talent for sure!!
Regards Timo
All pleasure is short-lived.
Your time is your time. Roulette might be fun to some of you but it costs money and time. What do you get out of it? some short lived pleasure--Amazin
In Amazin's defense if a bettor doesn't have a sufficient bankroll & the discipline to stop at a pre-set profit or stop-loss that person shouldn't gamble (or consider investing in a person with those qualities.)
I don't really play anymore......well, maybe once every two months if i happen to drive by near a casino. And it's usually more for fun than anything else. However, i find it fascinating to try to come up with ways to beat these games. Many times, when i have nothing to do, as a challenge to myself, i'll try to figure out ways (systems) to beat the games. It's not only fun, but it's also stimulating - for this type of exercise will keep some of us busy and interested even if we are never to find the holy grail. Well, and for some of us, it's not always about money, i'm sure. :D