Decided that I am starting my own journey to try and win 2 units a day. Hopefully without massive progressions as in the future I want to use at a live casino with larger units. 'Sounds' easy with a decent bankroll.
This is kind of my own experiment. I think I will try a diff method everyday. I dont mean 365 diff methods, I just mean not using the same system every day.
I will provide documentation of numbers from either BV free play or Random.org numbers. I will write the rules I stick by for that individual post.
Eventually I will whittle down what systems I like and what ones I dont enjoy using. So the blog might become narrower in focus as time goes on.
See how we go.
MM
Day 1 - September 5th 2012.
Using Compa Holy Grail for R/B in Reverse with Atlantis Bet progression.
Results:
10 B
30 R Trigger for Black.
11 B W +1
1 R
29 B
30 R Trigger for Black.
22 B W +1
Goal Achieved. End of session. Leave Casino.
MM
Good luck with your 2 a day.
HM
Sunny Oklahoma
Quote from: MuppetMan on Sep 05, 07:53 AM 2012
Day 1 - September 5th 2012.
Using Compa Holy Grail for R/B in Reverse with Atlantis Bet progression.
Results:
10 B
30 R Trigger for Black.
11 B W +1
1 R
29 B
30 R Trigger for Black.
22 B W +1
Goal Achieved. End of session. Leave Casino.
MM
And what are units worth.Not profitable if under 50,coming to casino,fuel,eventually lunch,drinks
leave casino at least 1 rose taking home to wife/peace in the house/......will these journeys will be flat bet only...very interesting to see how many roses you will bay.
I think he plays as I do, at BV, and if he makes 2 units a day, for a longer time, it is just fine.
Whatever the units, if he wins for a longer period its is winnings and not losses.
We have to trust the postings, show 2 winning sessions every day, and I hide the other. ::)
MMan
I wish you the best. Thanks for outlining what you're doing. No obfuscation!
GRIPE ALERT.................
Couldn't you play for real? Maybe not for you, but for me it's a different world playing for real--even real pennies.
Sam
Hi Guys,
Absolutely agree Flat. Has to be worthwhile. But can be rest assured I am going to practice before I dump a huge BR into the casino. But yes, looking at eventually using 50 - 100 dollar units. Each method might have a diff progression. So a large BR is needed for sure. And my wife doesnt need roses, she is lucky enough to be married to me ;D Or unlucky enough...
Ralph only use BV for practice or testing. I only like using real casino I can walk into. Maybe I will consider using a online casino with a live wheel. This is just my phobia with online casino. Only prob is table limits. And yes I will post my losing sessions as well. Have no interest in being misleading. And bottom line is its for me that I do this so I can have a record. If i cheat, then this doesnt help me.
And my actual goal is 2 units. So if I am at plus 2 after last spin then I walk away. If i use a method then end up at +5 then so be it.
This is all just hypothetical at moment. :thumbsup:
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Sep 05, 08:31 AM 2012
GRIPE ALERT.................
Couldn't you play for real? Maybe not for you, but for me it's a different world playing for real--even real pennies.
Sam
Yes I may consider it. Use a small betsize just to add reality to it. I just dont like RNG. I prefer my casino here in Perth. And no way I could prove real play that way.
Thanks mate
Day 2 September 6th 2012
Using Modified Mr J's Catch the 8 Train. Flat Betting. If get to the 8th Hit and in negative then retrack using 1 unit higher. Note:Only modified in sense that once goal is reached then abandon and not follow to 8 hits.
Results used from random.org in attached file. Please note numbers are taken from moving down columns and not across.
7 was first number to reach 3 hits. Seven spins later 7 hit again giving us a profit of 29 units.
Goal of 2 units was surpassed so time to pack up and leave.
Total from 2 days is +31 Units.
Day 3 September 7th 2012
Same method as yesterday as tired today and I feel comfortable reaching my goal with this method. Will try a couple of flat's methods over the next couple of days maybe.
Results from random.org attachment. Once again reading numbers down the columns.
2 was the first to reach four hits. 6 and 31 also had 3 hits but when 2 hit for the fourth time had a profit of +10.
Goal of 2 units was surpassed.
3 Day total is +41.
Edit of day 2.
Should say 4 hits of 7 and not three like I have written.
Dear Muppet,
I can think of a way that no one can doubt your test.
1)Use pre-generated random numbers from random.org, they do one each day.
2) Announce the method that you are going to use next day.
Cheers
AL
(IT IS POSSIBLE TO WIN EVERYDAY, but the end of the month is what matters!)
flat bet.
Sessions from Casino Hohensyburg 2012/01/01 until 2012/01/04 (table_0224)
Played all tables qualified.
Permanences downloaded with RX.
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:thumbsup:
1)Use pre-generated random numbers from random.org, they do one each day.
Wonder why random.org does this? Just to be good to people who want to prove their systems?
Sometimes I see the devil behind every tree.
Sam
It is a business.
What do you see lurking? what are you suspicious of?
Go to the website and check what is all about. :.random.org (link:://WWW.Random.org)
Quote from: MuppetMan on Sep 05, 08:43 AM 2012
Hi Guys,
Absolutely agree Flat. Has to be worthwhile. But can be rest assured I am going to practice before I dump a huge BR into the casino. But yes, looking at eventually using 50 - 100 dollar units. Each method might have a diff progression. So a large BR is needed for sure. And my wife doesn't need roses, she is lucky enough to be married to me ;D Or unlucky enough...
Ralph only use BV for practice or testing. I only like using real casino I can walk into. Maybe I will consider using a online casino with a live wheel. This is just my phobia with online casino. Only prob is table limits. And yes I will post my losing sessions as well. Have no interest in being misleading. And bottom line is its for me that I do this so I can have a record. If i cheat, then this doesn't help me.
And my actual goal is 2 units. So if I am at plus 2 after last spin then I walk away. If i use a method then end up at +5 then so be it.
This is all just hypothetical at moment. :thumbsup:
M&Ms, :lol: Just kidding.
Here's an old mans input. I've seen 4 or 5 people attempt this over the last few years on different forums. It's yet to be done.
Since you're really doing this for yourself, there's no need to try to convince us that you're being straight. Like you said, cheating doesn't help you. What ever's the easiest way for you to do it so you can repeat it when you convince yourself that you can do it should be what you do. No need to make it harder. Believe me, if you start losing, you won't have the drive to persevere in posting false numbers every day just to trick us. It'll be hard enough to do it if you are winning. But if you are winning your 2 units every day for an extended time period, the excitement will be palatable.
Here's a suggestion that may or may not fit with your goal but I'll make it anyway. Rather than just say you're going to shoot for 2 units per day with an open ended bankroll, why not put a stop loss on it also. Say win 2 units or lose 10 units or 20 units or 200 units, or whatever. The thing that has killed everybody is that they win, win, win, win and then they have a day from hell and everything comes crumbling down and it's over.
If you have a daily stop loss that happens occassionally but you can recover from it with a few extra sessions until you get caught up with your 2 per day goal, then it will remain interesting for a much longer time.
These attempts always generate a lot of interest and of course we all are cheering for you to succeed, but lose a huge bank or win 2 units leaves us all bummed out when it happens.
Just an idea I thought you might consider. If not now in the beginning, maybe down the road a ways you'll see some value in it.
Wishing you all the luck in the world,
GLC
Thanks GLC,
I do take on board everyones advice.
I do think that a stop loss is a great idea. I just dont know how to narrow it down to an exact figure. If target was 2 units and stop loss was 20, then you have to win 11 out of 12 attempts to make profits.
Already I am thinking that 2 units isnt enough. Why I am sort of leaning towards methods that can generate an unpredicted amount such as Mr J's methods. If you know what i mean by this. Once again I dont know where exactly to put the stop loss. Perhaps I should start tracking drawdown so this exercise could teach me this stop loss figure??
It is one of the most common failure with allways of doing play over time. There are many winning for long time, they think they have an undefeatable system. They can run for long time and still be winners. At the end a few spins ends everthing.
Decide for you a bankroll at every attack, reasonable big for the method. If that not works, or even seems as to go bad, you can many times solve it with a higher stop/loss limit, but at the end lose even more. A RFH is to detect at an early stage, as they can be incredible long, and make anybody paranoiac about the wheel, which seems to you rigged. If I see a drawback which I can be sure are very hard to recover with the current methods, I change and are prepared to use weeks to recover, sometimes, I just take the loss and hope fore better later.
If you on the other hand do not play more than some days in a year, the risk can be treated different, you can take a bigger risk, to gain a big, but this does not work for a daily play.
I know you use different methods, and I think that's very good, THE METHOD does not exist.
So the target two win 2 a day, may be to change to an average of 2 a day, the days are so different, sometimes easy, and sometimes better to not try more.
The stop/loss can never be too tight, so a bad day, use to take long time to fight back, take the time, to rush and chase the play will at the end just hurt, as jugdment decrease as you rush.
Good luck! It is not at all unlikely you will end after a year with 1000 up. It can go faster, as you should make use of the good days,after winning the two, go safer and pick some more.
Odds are against us, so long time winning is very hard, but not impossible as some are very sure of.
The wheel wins over all the players, it takes from that all group, but not the same share from all, some lose some win. We wheel wins in the long run, but as it has no memory, it will never remember you won last night.
This is a great thread! I love reading the different perspectives people on this forum have and bring to the game.
MM - you say you are already thinking 2 a day isn't enough. But remember that your ultimate goal is to use larger bet sizes so just keep in mind that if/when you are using £50 per bet (or the equivalent in your currency) 2 a day is £100 - £700 a week - £36,400 a year! I gave you Christmas Day off! ;)
I too am unsure what stop-loss to use with my testing. Tracking drawdown seems a place to start, though this may be more difficult as you are using different methods with no set winnings or losses per bet. So therefore more difficult to work out how many wins you would need to recoup a loss.
Sorry, I've been no help! :o Just wanted to say good luck and well done for sharing your efforts with us.
Cheers
Roughy
Thanks Ralph. You are always helpful.
Hi Roughy. This forum has def opened my eyes, glad you are enjoying it.
What GLC, Ralph, and Flat were alluding to (i think) was the fact that its no good winning 59 out of 60 sessions if you only make 2 units on a winning day but lose that and the farm on the one day you lose. So have to try and draw a line in the sand somewhere.
Dont get me wrong, I am not thinking 2 units isnt enough to be happy with. BUT to cover the loss that you will always always have. its possibly not enough.
Day 4 September 8th.
Today is a form of Target Betting. Flat bet until 4 units down then goal is 2 win 2 in a row. If lose that first progerssion you are now 6 down. So divide 6 by 2 and your next bet is 3 units. Bet Selection will just be H/L and follow the last. SO need three in a row to recover.
3 Result is Low Target Bet Size
12 W +1 1 1
36 L 0 2 1
32 W +1 2 1
7 L 0 2 1
25 L -1 2 1
6 L -2 2 2 Gap is 4
25 L -4 2 3 Gap is 6
30 W -1 2
20 W +2 2
Goal is Reached.
4 Day total is +41.
Day 5 Tuesday the 11th Sep.
Sorry. Havent posted because wife has a cancer in her uterus at the ripe old age of 35 so we are both struggling. Anyway.
Today am using FTL even chance on Hi/Lo. Using risky alembert progression until we break even or a new high. See Excel screen dump.
Target reached.
5 Day Total is +43
Hello Muppet!
Good luck!
MM
My prayers tonight for your wife and you.
Sam
Sorry to hear that MM :/ Horrible disease :-[
To you MuppetMan.
Wishing YOU all the LUCK off the table as well as on it .
I had heart-failure last May so my thoughts are with you both.
Kind Regards.
Dino.
My best wishes to you and Mrs MM.
Take care
Roughy
Sorry to hear about your wife MM. All the best to you both.
Day 6 Wednesday the 12th Sep
Using FTL on Hi/Lo using GLC's 2 up zero down EC progression.
12
0 -1 1 -1
24 -1 11 -2
24 +1 1 -1
12 -1 11 -2
11 +1 1 -1
27 -1 11 -2
23 +1 1 -1
36 +1 0
24 +1 +1
30 +1 +2
Goal reached
6 day Total is +45
Tomorrow going to use Mr j's Catch the 8 train again.
PS
Thank you all for your kind words. We have been dealing with this cancer for 6 months now but yesterday was just a bad day. Health issues, as some of you have alluded to, certainly turn your world upside down.
Cheers MM
I am curious to know if you are still going with this experiment... I hope that everything came out well for you and your wife.
I may be speaking out of turn, but I was in touch with MuppetMan just a few weeks ago and even though this topic didn't come up, I'm confident that he had to discontinue this experiment while he and his wife were battling her cancer.
The good news is that today his wife is cancer free.
On his behalf I thank everyone who extended their prayers and good wishes to them. I know it meant a lot.
Even though most of us only know each other through this internet contact, in a sense, we are a community and share more of each other's lives than just working on a way to win at roulette. I can assure you that I consider all of you more than just fingers typing away at a keyboard.
Please forgive me when I react in a negative way to someone's post. For all of us, on some days we find ourselves a little off balance. It can take a couple of days to recover and try to make amends.
And thanks to the mods for all their patience and supervision. It's a thankless job. I like it best when they're invisible for extended periods of time. It means the community's getting along pretty well.
GLC
P.S. I continue to pray for Sam's wife also. I'm not sure what the problem is, but God knows.
Quote from: GLC on Oct 17, 01:34 PM 2014
I may be speaking out of turn, but I was in touch with MuppetMan just a few weeks ago and even though this topic didn't come up, I'm confident that he had to discontinue this experiment while he and his wife were battling her cancer.
The good news is that today his wife is cancer free.
On his behalf I thank everyone who extended their prayers and good wishes to them. I know it meant a lot.
Even though most of us only know each other through this internet contact, in a sense, we are a community and share more of each other's lives than just working on a way to win at roulette. I can assure you that I consider all of you more than just fingers typing away at a keyboard.
Please forgive me when I react in a negative way to someone's post. For all of us, on some days we find ourselves a little off balance. It can take a couple of days to recover and try to make amends.
And thanks to the mods for all their patience and supervision. It's a thankless job. I like it best when they're invisible for extended periods of time. It means the community's getting along pretty well.
GLC
P.S. I continue to pray for Sam's wife also. I'm not sure what the problem is, but God knows.
Well said George! And good news regarding Muppetman's wife, and hopefully all is as well as possible with the lovely Sam and his wife too.
Quote from: GLC on Oct 17, 01:34 PM 2014
P.S. I continue to pray for Sam's wife also. I'm not sure what the problem is, but God knows.
Amen to that