---Try this one.....no large DD and surely to get your
aim.Tested not many sessions but all won 200 chips
in about 60 spins......advantage of this is couse mostly
one sector long sleep.Good luck.
Is this a +1 -1 bet or just a flat bet Flat for 5 spins?
We wait until all 4 sectors have landed once. Then we start betting on the next sector which is hit after our trigger. In your example, sector 1. We bet sector 1 for 5 spins, then sector 2, 3 and 4, then session ends.
Or after 5 bets/spins we bet on the last sector which landed again for 5 spins etc.
Am I seeing it a little Flat?
Quote from: amk on Sep 22, 03:49 PM 2012
Is this a +1 -1 bet or just a flat bet Flat for 5 spins?
We wait until all 4 sectors have landed once. Then we start betting on the next sector which is hit after our trigger. In your example, sector 1. We bet sector 1 for 5 spins, then sector 2, 3 and 4, then session ends.
Am I seeing it a little Flat?
yes 1-on a win 1+ on a los
you just follow last in cycle od 5...simple,each win is 9 chips
each lose is 3 chips....betting 2 on a line 1 on a street.
we don't bet each sector for 5 spins but 5 previous sectors spun,
we just bet on same,follow the wheel.
Hi!
You can write Roulette Xtreme, dgt file? ;)
here is excel with clearer explanation.
And here is yesterday 2/and 1 already posted=3/ wiesbaden sessions over 300 spins
which easily won...and will post till end of month all sessions over 300 spins just to
show you how easy and simple this winning method works...could take a bet that no session will lose and that will never even reach 1000 ch.required.
Flat...I respect you well...and I am excited to try this out but I really havnt got a clue whats going on.
Unfortunatly for me.....your usual answer is something like.."look at the xl sheet...its all in there"
I tried that. Im confused.
I get the trigger...but only because AMK explained it.
Heres an idea. Dont explain just for little old me. If a few more post up and say they are also confused...then it needs explaining.
I cant even see if its splits...straight up...lines???
Cheers mate
Turner
Thank you F_LAT_INO, nice and simple, easy to track and play!
My last session at B&M casino would have netted 34 x 9 units = 306 units in 84 spins, 9 spins being the trigger, so played for 75 spins
Quote from: turnerfeck on Sep 22, 06:08 PM 2012
Flat...I respect you well...and I am excited to try this out but I really havnt got a clue what's going on.
Unfortunatly for me.....your usual answer is something like.."look at the xl sheet...its all in there"
I tried that. I'm confused.
I get the trigger...but only because AMK explained it.
Heres an idea. don't explain just for little old me. If a few more post up and say they are also confused...then it needs explaining.
I can't even see if its splits...straight up...lines???
Cheers mate
Turner
Turner mate,
4-table sectors
1--from numb.1 to 9
2----------------10 to 18
3----------------19 to 27
4----------------28 to 36
at start wait until all 4 sectors hit;
34--4
12--12
2---1
22--3...now next 5 spins are virtuals
16 2
34 4
24 3
19 3
6 1......and now we start betting on sector 2.....2chips on line
10-15 and 1 chip on street 16-18...win 9 or lose 3...3/1 bet
26 3l
31 4w
7 1l
22 3w
33 3l--cycle of 5 spins ends and we won 2x3 un,or 18 chips and lost
3x1 unit which is 9 chips...therefore in this cycle we are up
3 un/9 chips......1 un = 3 chips/----now we continue same
3 1l
6 1l
11 2l
14 2
20 3w....won 3 un,lost 4 un.....1un.minus this cycle,next rising to 2
I bet you got it now
Couple of questions Flat that I dont get
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Sep 22, 08:23 PM 2012
Turner mate,
4-table sectors
1--from numb.1 to 9
2----------------10 to 18
3----------------19 to 27
4----------------28 to 36 ok got it
at start wait until all 4 sectors hit;
34--4
12--12
2---1
22--3...now next 5 spins are virtuals ok got it
16 2
34 4
24 3
19 3
6 1......and now we start betting on sector 2...Why ?..2chips on line
10-15 and 1 chip on street 16-18...win 9 or lose 3...3/1 bet
26 3l
31 4w what does 4w mean in relation to number 31
7 1l
22 3w same question to number 22
33 3l--cycle of 5 spins ends and we won 2x3 un(how?),or 18 chips and lost
3x1 unit which is 9 chips...therefore in this cycle we are up
3 un/9 chips......1 un = 3 chips/----now we continue same
3 1l
6 1l
11 2l
14 2
20 3w....won 3 un,lost 4 un.....1un.minus this cycle,next rising to 2 (huh?)
I bet you got it now I dont, sorry Flat for bein dim
I just ran the first 144 spins in the Zumma roulette tester book and ended at +198 units. At one point I was in the hole 459 units but it came back. These are double zero wheel spins.
Very nice Mr. F_LAT. Very nice, indeed......
Twister its like this ....
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Sep 22, 08:23 PM 2012
Turner mate,
4-table sectors
1--from numb.1 to 9
2----------------10 to 18
3----------------19 to 27
4----------------28 to 36
at start wait until all 4 sectors hit;
34--4
12--12
2---1
22--3...now next 5 spins are virtuals
16 2
34 4
24 3
19 3
6 1......and now we start betting on sector 2.....2chips on line
10-15 and 1 chip on street 16-18...win 9 or lose 3...3/1 bet
!Then you start betting for the above pattern of sectors
so first s2 then s4 then s3 , s3 again and last s1!
26 3l
31 4w 7 1l
22 3w 33 3l--cycle of 5 spins ends and we won 2x3 un,or 18 chips and lost
3x1 unit which is 9 chips...therefore in this cycle we are up
3 un/9 chips......1 un = 3 chips/----now we continue same
! the numbers like 4 are the sectors were the spun nr
belongs to and w is win as l is for lose
BUT Flat made a mistake nr 33 is sector 4 not 3 :) !
3 1l
6 1l
11 2l
14 2
20 3w....won 3 un,lost 4 un.....1un.minus this cycle,next rising to 2
! here again bet for the above 5 sectores 3 4 1 3 4 yes 4
because of the little mistake, so the last one 3w
is in fact 4l !
!If after the 5 spins our total balance is up were going 1 unit down, if were down we rise 1 unit for next 5 bets and evalute again!
I bet you got it now
I hope you understand it now :)
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Sep 22, 03:53 PM 2012
yes 1-on a win 1+ on a los
you just follow last in cycle od 5...simple,each win is 9 chips
each lose is 3 chips....betting 2 on a line 1 on a street.
we don't bet each sector for 5 spins but 5 previous sectors spun,
we just bet on same,follow the wheel.
18 2
7 1
18 2
13 2
32 3
18 2
1 1
4 1
33 3
6 1
8 1
36 4 TRIGGER
8 1 1
8 1 1
27 3 3
34 3 3
8 1 L 1
17 2 2 L
17 2 2 L
17 2 2 L
5 1 1 L
29 3 W 3
10 2 2 L
8 1 1 W
16 2 2 L
14 2 2 L
15 2 L 2
32 4 4 W
8 1 1 L
30 4 4 L
30 4 3 L
1 1 L 1
15 2 2 L
28 4 4 L
11 2 2 L
30 4 4 L
10 2 L 2
35 4 4 L
8 1 1 L
19 3 3 L
8 1 1 L
7 1 L 1
2 1 1 W
8 1 1 L
9 1 1 L
28 4 3 L
29 4 L 3
27 3 3 L
33 4 4 L
18 2 2 L
2 1 1 W
24 3 L 3
9 1 1 W
31 4 4 W
16 2 2 L
25 3 3 W
25 3 3
Flat thank you for your methods. Can i ask how many losses have you had in a row. The above was played today Vitual and you will see there were 14 losses in a row going by 1+ on a loss you would have to have 360 units to place the 15th bet? Can you let me know if i am doing this correctly? Koolkat
Koolkat,
i' ve read somewhere in flats explanation that you go up or down 1u after your 5 bets.
you start at 1u,
if after the next 5 bets the balance is lower you rise 1u
if the balance is higher you stay at 1 u or go 1 down .
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Sep 22, 03:29 PM 2012
---Try this one.....no large DD and surely to get your
aim.Tested not many sessions but all won 200 chips
in about 60 spins......advantage of this is couse mostly
one sector long sleep.Good luck.
I think there is a mistake in your Excel files when calculating a profit.
You should multiply your won unit number by 3 if your base bet is 2u on DS and 1u on Street.
Quote from: Stepkevh on Sep 23, 04:05 AM 2012
Koolkat,
i' ve read somewhere in flats explanation that you go up or down 1u after your 5 bets.
you start at 1u,
if after the next 5 bets the balance is lower you rise 1u
if the balance is higher you stay at 1 u or go 1 down .
Thanks Stepkevh missed that bit. Makes more sense now. Koolkat
Quote from: Stepkevh on Sep 23, 12:01 AM 2012
Twister its like this ....
I hope you understand it now :)
I do and I appreciate you takin time out to explain it to me, thank you :thumbsup:
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Sep 23, 04:25 AM 2012
I think there is a mistake in your Excel files when calculating a profit.
You should multiply your won unit number by 3 if your base bet is 2u on DS and 1u on Street.
that's what i'm doing and have stated it is 3/1 bet...win 9 or lose 3
Quote from: KoolKat on Sep 23, 03:52 AM 2012
18 2
7 1
18 2
13 2
32 3
18 2
1 1
4 1
33 3
6 1
8 1
36 4 TRIGGER
8 1 1
8 1 1
27 3 3
34 3 3
8 1 L 1
17 2 2 L
17 2 2 L
17 2 2 L
5 1 1 L
29 3 W 3
10 2 2 L
8 1 1 W
16 2 2 L
14 2 2 L
15 2 L 2
32 4 4 W
8 1 1 L
30 4 4 L
30 4 3 L
1 1 L 1
15 2 2 L
28 4 4 L
11 2 2 L
30 4 4 L
10 2 L 2
35 4 4 L
8 1 1 L
19 3 3 L
8 1 1 L
7 1 L 1
2 1 1 W
8 1 1 L
9 1 1 L
28 4 3 L
29 4 L 3
27 3 3 L
33 4 4 L
18 2 2 L
2 1 1 W
24 3 L 3
9 1 1 W
31 4 4 W
16 2 2 L
25 3 3 W
25 3 3
Flat thank you for your methods. Can i ask how many losses have you had in a row. The above was played today Vitual and you will see there were 14 losses in a row going by 1+ on a loss you would have to have 360 units to place the 15th bet? Can you let me know if i am doing this correctly? Koolkat
no you are not...rising 1 unit after each cycle of 5 spins
yes made a mistake 33 is sector 4
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Sep 23, 06:53 AM 2012
yes made a mistake 33 is sector 4
Flat....many thanks for explaining further...its appreciated.
Will look tonight...got a busy day... Manchester City vs. Arsenal (biting fingernails :thumbsup:)
I believe the winning units to be multiples of 3...
Eg. One sector of 3 units bet (1 on street and 2 on double street) for five spins = 15 units placed on table, if there are two winning spins out of 5 spins then 12 units are returned for each win = 12 x 2 = 24 units minus the 15 placed down = 24 - 15 = 9 units so 9 units won for 3 units reflected in the spread sheet...
Thanks again for a great method F_LAT_INO
Just checked another of my old spin sheets and it shows a win of 159 units :twisted:
Quote from: turnerfeck on Sep 23, 07:08 AM 2012
Flat....many thanks for explaining further...its appreciated.
Will look tonight...got a busy day... Manchester City vs. Arsenal (biting fingernails :thumbsup: )
Me too...handicap on MC here,meaning victory MC by a goal diff.
great system Flat, thanks so much
but like Robeenhuut said it should be multiplied by 3, not 9
just had a quick test, it went down -423 at one point and ended +177 in about 160 spins
so far very nice, ty again :)
Hi F_LAT any recommendation as to Stop loss limit...
Quote from: turnerfeck on Sep 23, 07:08 AM 2012
Flat....many thanks for explaining further...its appreciated.
Will look tonight...got a busy day... Manchester City vs. Arsenal (biting fingernails :thumbsup: )
Who you supportin ??
And here yesterday 3 Wiesbaden sessions won easily.
As you can see in 2 of the sessions only one 5 spins
cycle was enough to reach our required aim....and that's
what our method is relaying on mostly plus sleeping of
any of the sectors.
You will also notice while reducing sometimes it is more
then 1.....you must to learn doing it by head,depends on
present situation,stage of session and some other factors
that will come in time.
Thanks F_LAT_INO
Do you play this method on daily basis?
Best regards
B27
no you are not...rising 1 unit after each cycle of 5 spins
Flat can you have a quick look at my session below, am i playing it correctly now? This is live dealer not compressed air/airball. Many Thanks K
36 4
33 4
17 2
27 3
22 3
12 2
26 3
7 1
10 2
18 2
11 2
6 1
33 4
20 3 -3
26 3 -3
32 4 -3
21 3 -3
0 0 -3
15 2 -6
36 4 -6 -27
1 1 -6 -33
1 1 -6 -39
26 3 NB
29 4 -6 -45
11 2 -9 -54
35 4 -9 -63
27 3 -9 -72
0 0 -9 -81
14 2 -9 -90
4 1 -12 -102
28 4 36 -66
2 1 -12 -78
11 2 NB -78
35 4 -12 -90
20 3 -12 -102
21 3 -12 -114
31 4 -15 -129
9 1 -15 -111
16 2 -15 -159
24 3 45 -114
32 4 -15 -129
29 3 -15 -144
33 4 -15 -159
35 4 -15 -174
19 3 45 -129
16 2 -15 -144
35 4 -15 -159
8 1 -15 -174
33 4 45 -129
3 1 -15 -144
26 3 -15 -159
36 4 45 -114
3 1 45 -69
18 2 -15 -84
15 2 -15 -99
33 4 -15 -114
6 1 -15 -129
35 3 -15 -144
33 4 -18 -162
13 2 54 -105
11 2 -18 -120
34 4 -18 -144
13 2 -18 -162
25 3 -18 -180
32 4 -18 -198
31 4 -21 -219
29 4 63 -156
15 2 63 -93
9 1 -21 -114
15 2 -21 -135
25 3 -21 -156
32 4 63 -93
10 1 -21 -114
1 1 63 -51
22 3 -21 -72
13 2 -21 -93
17 2 -21 -114
24 3 -21 -135
9 1 63 -72
16 2 -21 -93
10 2 63 -30
26 3 -21 -51
3 1 -21 -72
9 1 63 -9
Quote from: Bettor 27 on Sep 23, 10:57 AM 2012
Thanks F_LAT_INO
Do you play this method on daily basis?
Best regards
B27
--No mate,just invented and it is under testing time.
We shall see but as things stand the merrit is there.
Can't follow it but if you could do it in excel it would be much easier.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Sep 23, 11:11 AM 2012
Can't follow it but if you could do it in excel it would be much easier.
Here you go Flat Many Thanks K
5 un.plus...couse I didn't reduce by one on some occasions,
but really very hard session without hiting 3 in no cycle...
and that is what we are after here...3 hits or more in 1 cycle.
try some more
Flat I thnik you are calculating wrong
shouldn't the wins be multiplied by 3 and not 9?
thats whats bugging me, can you please check
ty
I tested another 112 spins in the Zumma double zero roulette tester book and ended at +216 units with no draw down. Very nice easy session.
Quote from: soggett on Sep 23, 11:54 AM 2012
Flat I thnik you are calculating wrong
shouldn't the wins be multiplied by 3 and not 9?
that's what's bugging me, can you please check
ty
show me where...I do by 3....but if betting 3 on that spin would be 9 then.
Pokaži
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Sep 23, 12:11 PM 2012
show me where...I do by 3....but if betting 3 on that spin would be 9 then.
Pokaži
ok
when you have 2 wins and 3 losses in one row you write +3
then you multipliy it by 9 and you have +27 units profit, correct?
so W W L L L is +3 and multiplied by 9 is 27
if we do it by betting 1 unit per street we get
+9 +9 -3 -3 -3 which is 9 and not 27
cause it should be multiplied by 3
am I right or am I wrong? I really don't get that
It's bugging me
Or is it that you bet 3 units per street so you multiply by 9 at the end?
Quote from: soggett on Sep 23, 12:25 PM 2012
ok
when you have 2 wins and 3 losses in one row you write +3
then you multipliy it by 9 and you have +27 units profit, correct?
so W W L L L is +3 and multiplied by 9 is 27
if we do it by betting 1 unit per street we get
+9 +9 -3 -3 -3 which is 9 and not 27
cause it should be multiplied by 3
am I right or am I wrong? I really don't get that
It's bugging me
Or is it that you bet 3 units per street so you multiply by 9 at the end?
wwlll........9+9+3-3-3---------9+which is 3 units.......1 un= 2 on line 1 on street...get it ???
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Sep 23, 12:33 PM 2012
wwlll........9+9+3-3-3---------9+which is 3 units.......1 un= 2 on line 1 on street...get it ???
in other words if we have at the end w= 23 x 9/as those are winnings of 9/which would be 207 ch.+
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Sep 23, 11:31 AM 2012
5 un.plus...couse I didn't reduce by one on some occasions,
but really very hard session without hiting 3 in no cycle...
and that is what we are after here...3 hits or more in 1 cycle.
try some more
Flat the attached session is from Compressed air table. Don't seem to be having much luck, is it something i am doing wrong? Thanks Koolkat
Ok
I get that 1 unit is 3 chips
so we have either -1 on a loss or +3 on a win
but then we need to mulitply it by 3 ( not 9 ) cause 1 unit is 3 chips ( not 9 ) to get our net?
What I dont understand is that at the end you multiply everything by 9 - that is the part I dont get
Am I the only one here that doesn't get that? If so I need to sleep it off maybe? :)
come back refreshed and take another look
Quote from: soggett on Sep 23, 01:13 PM 2012
Ok
I get that 1 unit is 3 chips
so we have either -1 on a loss or +3 on a win
but then we need to mulitply it by 3 ( not 9 ) cause 1 unit is 3 chips ( not 9 ) to get our net?
What I don't understand is that at the end you multiply everything by 9 - that is the part I don't get
Am I the only one here that doesn't get that? If so I need to sleep it off maybe? :)
come back refreshed and take another look
I think that you are quite right/how come nobody else noticed this/--which by the way shows me
that my old corroded brain should go for reperation....LOL....Thanks Sogget and oncoming sessions
will be counted like that.......even thought will do some more recheckings...after soccer.
@KoolKat,
Here's your spreadsheet. You need to play more than 100 spins in this case. High was +9, low was -201, highest bet was 7 units.
Hope it helps.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Sep 23, 01:20 PM 2012
I think that you are quite right/how come nobody else noticed this/--which by the way shows me
that my old corroded brain should go for reperation....LoL....Thanks Sogget and oncoming sessions
will be counted like that.......even thought will do some more recheckings...after soccer.
Ok then, I thought I was nuts ;D
Don't beat yourself up, it happens to the best of us ( It just did to the very best of us ;) )
Quote from: soggett on Sep 23, 01:13 PM 2012
Ok
I get that 1 unit is 3 chips
so we have either -1 on a loss or +3 on a win
but then we need to mulitply it by 3 ( not 9 ) cause 1 unit is 3 chips ( not 9 ) to get our net?
What I don't understand is that at the end you multiply everything by 9 - that is the part I don't get
Am I the only one here that doesn't get that? If so I need to sleep it off maybe? :)
come back refreshed and take another look
It's minus 3 on a loss and plus 9 on a win. If you have 1 chip on street and 2 chips on a line and you lose, you're down 3 chips. If you win on a street you won 12 chips (1x12) minus the 3 chips on the table for a net of 9. If you win on a line you won 12 chips (2x6) minus the 3 chips on the table for a net of 9.
What am I missing here???
In school I was always bad in maths....maybe you can explain it throughouly mr.Sogget.
Quote from: Wally Gator on Sep 23, 01:20 PM 2012
@KoolKat,
Here's your spreadsheet. You need to play more than 100 spins in this case. High was +9, low was -201, highest bet was 7 units.
Hope it helps.
@Wally Gator
Many Thanks Wally Gator,nice spreadsheet by the way. I think I have done enough testing to know this is not for me :-[
Working well for me so far. Haven't kept a note of the actual numbers but up 60+ units so far, approx 100 spins, biggest bet to date is 3 units (i.e. 6 on line, 3 on street), no drawdown as I won first 3 bets which got me off to a good start.
Nice going as usual Flat :thumbsup:
Cheers
Roughy
Quote from: Roughy on Sep 23, 01:57 PM 2012
Working well for me so far. Haven't kept a note of the actual numbers but up 60+ units so far, approx 100 spins, biggest bet to date is 3 units (i.e. 6 on line, 3 on street), no drawdown as I won first 3 bets which got me off to a good start.
Nice going as usual Flat :thumbsup:
Cheers
Roughy
Hi Roughy are you do this online on B&M? cheers
Quote from: Roughy on Sep 23, 01:57 PM 2012
Working well for me so far. Haven't kept a note of the actual numbers but up 60+ units so far, approx 100 spins, biggest bet to date is 3 units (i.e. 6 on line, 3 on street), no drawdown as I won first 3 bets which got me off to a good start.
Nice going as usual Flat :thumbsup:
Cheers
Roughy
-I will keep testing this every day couple Wiesbaden sessions,req. win aim 100 and see
when it will lose req.BR of 333 un. or 1000 chips.We shall see the score at first lose.
Hi KoolKat
I play online but live dealers only. DublinBet, PaddyPower and the dreaded WH but just using free money I've been given from them for testing at the moment.
Cheers
Roughy
Quote from: Wally Gator on Sep 23, 01:28 PM 2012
It's minus 3 on a loss and plus 9 on a win. If you have 1 chip on street and 2 chips on a line and you lose, you're down 3 chips. If you win on a street you won 12 chips (1x12) minus the 3 chips on the table for a net of 9. If you win on a line you won 12 chips (2x6) minus the 3 chips on the table for a net of 9.
What am I missing here???
you are not missing anythnig
it's a 3 street bet to simplify a bit
so yes, on a L it's -3 and on a W it's +9
very simple indeed
Quote from: Turner on Sep 23, 07:08 AM 2012
Flat....many thanks for explaining further...its appreciated.
Will look tonight...got a busy day... Manchester City vs. Arsenal (biting fingernails :thumbsup: )
-----
booooohhh :-)
vundarosa
Here 2 last night Wiesbaden sessions Soggets way/which is correct btw/
1 st session reached its req.aim in 199th.spin
Largest DD=111 un.=333 chips
won 36 un.= 108 chips.
2nd.session reached its req.aim in 207th.spin
Largest DD=43 un.=129 chips.
won=39 un.=117 chips.
Eight session in the row successful.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Sep 24, 02:46 AM 2012
Here 2 last night Wiesbaden sessions Soggets way/which is correct by the way/
1 st session reached its req.aim in 199th.spin
Largest DD=111 un.=333 chips
won 36 un.= 108 chips.
2nd.session reached its req.aim in 207th.spin
Largest DD=43 un.=129 chips.
won=39 un.=117 chips.
Eight session in the row successful.
So FLAT what would be your main playing method because you posted recently lots based on the same "rolling" concept for sectors,splits,lines or sectors of 9?