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I try to rap my mind around this - win or break even.
I like the bell curve Victor post as it shows that if we can catch average events - then we can hovering around 95/68% with our strike ratio - then we have around 34% of negative expectation - but not all true as the bell curve has no limits as nothing is due to happen.
(link:://i50.tinypic.com/rswsh5.jpg)
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Then the question becomes if we can win and break even to that point we operating with only winnings.
I like that idea.
The only thing i can find as average events for even money bets is present change - i find that be more constant then any other movement with 50/50 distribution.
Now lets test to catch average events of the distribution with even money bets.
With out any entering points or exist points.
This is the result of 300 trails with today's file from random org 2012 10 01
W W W W L L
L W W W W L L
W W W W W W W L W L W L L
L W W W L W W L W L W L L
W W L W W W L W W L W W W W W L L
L L
W L W W L L
W W L L
L W
Now this is using the even money with three present states and you play for a change.
42 WON 28 LOSS
Now if some one continues betting we will always face the sequenses losing strings at the end.
We would reduce the loses if we would play to win once with each cycle - but then we would get less action and not gain so much.
So each strategy has its downside.
W L W W L W W L L W W L W
Cheers
Now with this results the tendency is more even with 39 won and 33 loss.
The results are from random org 2012 09 30 with 300 trails.
W L W L L
L W L W W W W L L
W L L
L W L L
W W W W W W W W L L
W L L
W L W L W L L
L L
L W W W W W L W W L W L W L W W W W L L
W W W W W L L
L L
If we now test one win with one cycle we get the following results with reducing losing strings.
W L W W L W W W W L L L W W L L
I am pretty sure that if some one wanted to succed to win and break even that the last option would be optimal as playing model with less variance.
If some one would pick the first option then it would come with higher variance.
Cheers
Should mention that the basic idea behind this march is based upon Markov and Marigny.
Now this is the next file with a better tendency then previos day.
The file is from random org 2012 09 29 with 300 trails.
W L W L W W W W L W L W W W W W L W W W W W L W L L
L W L W W L W W L L
W L W L W W L L
W W L L
L W W L W W L L
L W W W W W L W L L
W L W W W W L W W L W W L W
The average tendency with this results is with 49 wins and 33 loses.
If we would play once to win with one cycle we would get the following results:
W L W W W L W L W W
Cheers
I have two way's to use a march based upon Markow and Marigny.
The first one using the outcomes as they come with out involving Markow chains.
The other one use both.
Cheers
I think you use here sequential betting strategy as you personaly coined that phrase.
And one could be safer and could stand hard fluctuations if it start attack after 3 same states in a row for example, or can start 2 for more action, doesn't have to go for immediate change.
But results are cool, especialy with the way i just told.
Also one can have 2 marches in his arsenal and use one which he chooses as standard to play and when good situation shows (and it has to eventualy) he can switch to the other and he can "reap the cream" from such situation
I mean here on playing against and playing to repeat but at very specific predetermined events (triggers).
Also when a hard deviation comes, when few losing shots comes, one can take advantage out of it by recalibrating unit size as probability is raising to very very low point.
So my humble opinion is that is vital to find and start at "medium" point of deviation where you can handle bad sequences with very low probabilty with using above said.
Cheers
Drazen
But i was not referring to that march you mention for three states to alternate - i find a better march.
You play against that the previous state will repeat.
That is also imbalance when one state grows and then the STD for that state grows.
PM me and i send you both and we can do some testing together with the optimal playing model.
This might be my final research for a valid method for Asian Handicap play with sport-betting.
Cheers
Quote from: ego on Oct 01, 05:25 AM 2012
But i was not referring to that march you mention for three states to alternate - i find a better march.
You play against that the previous state will repeat.
Cheers
Well i reffered to that also mr. ego
I mentioned two marches. Playing states to alternate and playing states to repeat.
I am testing that also.
And i have seen one dozen repeated 9 times in a row (111111111) so as I am saying it is important to attack at the right moment or to fine calibrate length of the attack if going immedietaly from last state not to repeat.
I found decent attacking in this case to start the attack after 3 dozzens in a row
For example 3 series or 3 singles, or 3 hovering states
Like 111; 222 ; 333
Cheers
Drazen
Drazen i write from mobile so i keep it short
You doing it wrong
If one state repeat once you dont bet you wait for a new state
So one state can repeat 100 times it does not effect us
look at my LW Registry above
You play against 11223322
Pm me and we will clear things out
Thanks mr. ego for poinitng that out.
PM is coming.
Regards
Drazen
Drazen i find today's file from random org with some serios fluctation and low strike ratio.
L L
L W L L
W L L
W W L W W W L L
L L
W W W L L
W L W L L
L W L L
L W L L
W L W L L
W L W L W W L W W W L L
L W L W W W L L
L L
W L L
But even if the strike ratio was low so did the optimal march playing once for each cycle still produce steady reulsts
LWWWLLWWLWLWWWLWLLW
I have test 5 x 300 trails session and never hit 4 losses in a row - that show that the this method has low variance ...
This is the file so you can backtrack the betting behavior.
1
2
2
1
2 L
2 L
2
1
1
2
2 L
1
2 W
2
1
2 L
2 L
1
2
2
2
2
2
1
1
2
1 W
1
2
1 L
1 L
1
1
1
2
1
1
1
2
2
2
1
2 W
1
1
2
2 W
1
2 L
2 W
1
1 W
1
1
1
1
1
2
1
2 W
1
2
2
2
2
2
1
2 L
1 L
2
1
1
2
2
2
2
2
1
1 L
2
2 L
2
1
2
2
2
2
2
1
1 W
1
1
2
1 W
2
1
1
1
2
2 W
2
2
1
1 L
1
1
2
2 L
1
1
2
2
1
2
1
1
2
2 W
2
2
1
1 L
1
2
1 W
2
1
2
2
2
1
2 L
1 L
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
1
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
1
2 L
1 W
1
2
1 L
2 L
2
2
1
1
2
2 L
2
1
2 W
1
1
1
2
1 L
2 L
2
1
1
1
2
1 W
1
1
2
1 L
2 W
2
2
2
2
1
2 L
1 L
1
1
1
1
2
2
1
2 W
1
1
2
1 L
1 W
2
1 L
2 W
2
2
1
1 W
2
2 L
2
2
2
1
2 W
2
2
2
1
1 W
1
2
1 W
1
2
1 L
1 L
2
1
1
1
2
1
2
1
2
1
2
2
2
2
2
2
1
2 L
2 W
1
2 L
1 W
2
1
1
2
2 W
1
2 W
2
1
2 L
2 L
1
2
2
2
2
2
1
2
2
1
1
2
2 L
2
2
1
1 L
1
2
2
2
1
1
2
1
2
2
1
1 W
2
2 L
2
1
1 L
2
1
2
1
1
1
Thanks
Yes i tested 15 wiesbaden sessions and I know what i saw.
But i can't get what do you mean with that one bet each cycle? I mean how to reduce or play with lower variance? If it is low enough, there is always bigger chip to compensate waiting and patience :)
Can you explain please?
Regards
Drazen
Entering point.
You wait for one present state to repeat.
Then you wait for a new present state to show.
Now you play against the new present state that show that it will not repeat.
If you win that is the end of the attack.
If you lose you continue until a win using the march i describe above.
Staking plan.
I am still looking into that subject.
Step by step explanation.
1
2
2
1
2 L
2 L One state repeat now wait for a new present state.
2
1
1 New present state now play it will not repeat.
2
2 L
1
2 W Bet won end of attack.
2
1
2 L
2 L One state repeat now wait for a new present state to show.
1
2
2
2
2
2
1
1 New present state show now play against that this state will not repeat.
2
1 W Bet won end of attack.
1
2
1 L
1 L
1
1
1
2
1
1
1
2
2
2
1
2 W
1
1
2
2 W
1
2 L
2 W
1
1 W
1
1
1
1
1
2
1
2 W
1
2
2
2
2
2
1
2 L
1 L
2
1
1
2
2
2
2
2
1
1 L
2
2 L
2
1
2
2
2
2
2
1
1 W
1
1
2
1 W
2
1
1
1
2
2 W
2
2
1
1 L
1
1
2
2 L
1
1
2
2
1
2
1
1
2
2 W
2
2
1
1 L
1
2
1 W
2
1
2
2
2
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2 L
1 L
2
2
2
2
2
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1
2
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2 L
1 W
1
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1 L
2 L
2
2
1
1
2
2 L
2
1
2 W
1
1
1
2
1 L
2 L
2
1
1
1
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1 W
1
1
2
1 L
2 W
2
2
2
2
1
2 L
1 L
1
1
1
1
2
2
1
2 W
1
1
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1 L
1 W
2
1 L
2 W
2
2
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1 W
2
2 L
2
2
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1
2 W
2
2
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1
1 W
1
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1 W
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1 L
1 L
2
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1
1
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1
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2 L
2 W
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2 L
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2 W
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2 L
2 L
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2
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1 W
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2 L
2
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1
Thanks, I understand.
Now lets see the trick..
Cheers
Drazen
Every method has its losing strike - so we have to set our limits - could be six losses.
That would be four repeating states in a row after each other.
I am going to run random org files from 2012 09 01 to 2012 09 30 and see what happens.
Ok i tested 5 wiesbaden sessions in a row and seems that variance is lower indeed, with 2nd way you proposed.
We know that we are on a sinking ship with negative expectancy, although zeros are not just because of what someone will lose or win whole short human length session.. And if you end in plus, tommorow is a new day, new play.
So zero translated in normal human length session doesn't means much..
But what can ruin and what ruins actualy are fluctuations in every method...( If you don't have enormous bank) As long as we can make them as lower as possible, we can play without too much stress.
With enough bank (but under 500 units) and with a bit agressive MM that requires under 50% to break even, i would won all sessions with first approach with higher variance and ride out worst scenarios...
With 2nd approach so far doesn't go over 15 units in DD. Still needs more testes, but I think it is indicative.
MY humble opinion is that one needs to know how to handle the losses and negative trams and can be succesfull.
Cheers
Drazen
After 10 wiesbaden sessions I see realy evened bet..
86 losses and 86 wins
It almost amazes how evened this is..
Still thorough testing should be done, but first results are just great (although that always happens when you test any method in the beggining LoL)
I would like to see when you finish, what you have to say on your sessions of random mr. ego
Not to say that while playing like this, you spot very nice triggers to capitalize outside this strategy as a base.
Regards
Drazen
That was the point to ride average events of the distribution as they have such high strike ratio and with just playing once for each cycle we get very, very low variance.
Now i will test and post results at this topic and present the LW-Registry for the optimal march.
I will start with random org files from 2012 09 01 and forward.
The idea using a method with low variance is to win twice within six or eight attempts.
Using the following staking plans.
The algorithm has different flavours.
2 in 6 ...
5.5 11 22 33 44 66 = 181,5 serie
11 22 44 66 88 132 = 363 serie
110 220 440 660 880 1320 = 3630 serie
1110 2200 4400 6600 8800 13200 = 36310 serie
Or if you know you will hovering around expectation of average you can add 2-5
20-30-40-60-120 = 270 serie
ADVANCE
There exist other ways - but i think you should read the sport-betting PDF for different staking plans based upon other variations.
NOW CASINO MONEY OR THE ALGORITHMS MONEY.
Here you can see 4 days of play with no variance at all - as low it can gets.
374 WON and 363 RISK With total 12 session in 4 days play.
Day 1 with 3 sessions.
WLW +33
WLW +33
WLLW +11
Day 2 with 3 sessions.
WLW +33
WLW +33
WW +33
Day 3 with 3 sessions.
WLW +33
WW +33
LWLW +33
Day 4 with 3 sessions.
LWW +55
WLLW +11
WLW +33
One change might be necessary with the optimal march to get the staking plan to work.
I explain later when i have more time.
At the moment we should not continue after hitting a group of two losses - it might be better to start over then continue to stay with tight low variance.
One thing is for sure with out taking in account what staking plan to use that we can win two out of three session on regular basis.
The question is and i make this backwards - i have create a bet selection with very low variance and you can win once or twice with a certain amount of attempts.
Now one member show me a very good simple algorithm that deals with how to manage to win twice with in three sessions.
WW Stop you reach you win goal winning two session out of three.
WLW Stop you reach you win goal winning two session out of three
LWW Stop you reach you win goal winning two session out of three.
LLW Stop and accept a smaller loss.
LLL Stop and accept losing three session in a row - that would be very rare based upon this method.
If applying this method we have to change the staking plan.
Quote from: ego on Oct 04, 01:32 AM 2012
At the moment we should not continue after hitting a group of two losses - it might be better to start over then continue to stay with tight low variance.
Well i have been thinking about this when i went to bed, and i woke up and see you said this in the morning. LoL
That is logical step to do if I may say.
When I applied that to our march in just 7 sessions from this morning I am +16 flat bet
W / L
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session 1: 9/7
session 2: 10/8
session 3: 7/5
session 4: 6/6
session 5: 14/5
session 6: 10/10
session 7: 10/9
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Total: 66/50 = +16 flat bet
:-X
Regards
Drazen
Conclusions.
1. You be better of playing to win once using one cycle.
That give you lower variance or string of loses as if you continue betting for each cycle you end each cycle with loses - then they chop and get very negative when cycle appears with no winnings.
Quote from: ego on Oct 04, 09:43 AM 2012
Conclusions.
1) WLLWWWLLLLWWWWLW (
9W 7 L) +2
2) LLLWWWWLLWLWWLLWWWW (
10 W 8 L) +2
3) WWLWWLLLWLWW (
7W 5 L) +2
4) LWWLLWWLWWLL (
6W 6L) +0
5) LWWWLWLLLWWLL (
6W 7 L) -1
6) WWWLWLWLWWWWWWLLWWW (
14W 5 L) +9
7) LLLWWWWLWLLLWWLLLWWW (
10W 10L) +0
8.) WWWWLLWLLLWLWLWWWLL (
10W 9L) +1
9) WLWLLLLWWLWWW (
7W 6L) +1
10) WLLWLLWLWWWWLWWLWLWWLWLLW (
14W 11L) +3
11)WWWWWWLWLWLWW (
10W 3L) +7
12) LLWWWLLLWW (
5W 5L) +1
13) LLWLWWLWLLLWLLLLLW (
6W 12L) -6
14) WWLLWWLLLWW (
6W 5L) +1
15) WLWWWLWWLWLLLWLW (
9W 8L) +1
16) LWWLWWLLWWLLWWLLW (
9W 8L) +1
17) WLLWLWWWWW (
7W 3L) +4
18) WLWWLWLWLWLL (
6W 6L) +0
19) LLWWLW (
3W 3L) +0
20) LLLLWWLLWWLW (
5W 7 L) -2
21) WWWLWW (
5W 1L) +4
22) LLLLLLWLWLWLWWLLWWWW (
9W 11L) -2
23) LLLWW (
2W 3L) -1
24) LLWLLLLWWWWLWLL (
6W 9L) -3
25) WLLWLWWLLLLLWLW (
6W 9L) -3
26) LLWWWWLWW (
6W 3L) +3
27) LWLWWWLLLLWLLLL (
5W 10L) -5
28) LWWLWLLLWWLWWWLL (
8W 8L) +0
29) WLWWWLLWLWLWWWWWLW (1
2W 6L) +6
30) LWWWWLWWWW (
8W 2L) +6
31) LWWWLLWLW (
6W 4 L) +2
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TOTAL:
432 PLACED BETS 232 WINS 200 LOSSES----------------------------------------
+32 FLAT BET ------------------
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Well nice - how do you restart with one cycle or do you just bet until a win with one cycle.
Thinking about when we speak about two losses we would restart one cycle.
So is the LW-Regitry based upon first playing until a win within one cycle or is it that you play until two losses and restart.
Many thanks
These are results for playing one cycle to reduce variance. So I always go that after repeating a state, I wait for new and play against it. If LL stop, take last repeated on which I lost, wait new and play against it. And so on.
Cheers
Drazen
Quote from: drazen_cro on Oct 01, 04:59 AM 2012
I think you use here sequential betting strategy as you personaly coined that phrase.
And one could be safer and could stand hard fluctuations if it start attack after 3 same states in a row for example, or can start 2 for more action, doesn't have to go for immediate change.
But results are cool, especialy with the way i just told.
Also one can have 2 marches in his arsenal and use one which he chooses as standard to play and when good situation shows (and it has to eventualy) he can switch to the other and he can "reap the cream" from such situation
I mean here on playing against and playing to repeat but at very specific predetermined events (triggers).
Also when a hard deviation comes, when few losing shots comes, one can take advantage out of it by recalibrating unit size as probability is raising to very very low point.
So my humble opinion is that is vital to find and start at "medium" point of deviation where you can handle bad sequences with very low probabilty with using above said.
Cheers
Drazen
Hello Drazen_cro,
We talking about live or RNG ?
Because I know for years that the "good" Dealers can spin the number they want to hit.
I have seen that in a live demonstration in Holland Casino ( Amsterdam ).
With other words...how ..... to beat such a Dealer , because all the calculation we do is useless than.
Cheers
John Rotterdam
Quote from: ginger on Oct 05, 05:07 AM 2012
Hello Drazen_cro,
We talking about live or RNG ?
Because I know for years that the "good" Dealers can spin the number they want to hit.
I have seen that in a live demonstration in Holland Casino ( Amsterdam ).
With other words...how ..... to beat such a Dealer , because all the calculation we do is useless than.
Cheers
John Rotterdam
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ginger there has to be a missunderstanding from you understanding this topic.
first of all a dealer can not aim for red or black pockets and now i made that clear i can also tell you that no one can out guess a 50/50 distribution
but that we can do is try to get as low variance as possible and reducing long strings of losses during longer period of times when playing
all that to increase or get our self a fear chance against the negative expectation
Quote from: ginger on Oct 05, 05:07 AM 2012
Hello Drazen_cro,
We talking about live or RNG ?
Because I know for years that the "good" Dealers can spin the number they want to hit.
I have seen that in a live demonstration in Holland Casino ( Amsterdam ).
With other words...how ..... to beat such a Dealer , because all the calculation we do is useless than.
Cheers
John Rotterdam
Yes as mr. ego says there is no chance dealer can hit R/B as he wants. He can hit some parts of the wheel if he is very skilled, but for that also he will need specific conditions + his skills.
Hardly on modern very balanced wheels although...
But anyway you never want to play sectors of the wheel, before dealer spins the ball, so as constantly playing on one sector of the wheel. Then he can do something maybe..
Mr. F_LAT_INO in the past while working as a croupier learned many wiseasses a lesson like this.
But with this method there is no chance any dealer can harm you intentionaly ( If wheel is fair)
And also I would never play anything on any RNG
Cheers
Drazen
Quote from: drazen_cro on Oct 05, 06:52 AM 2012
Yes as mr. ego says there is no chance dealer can hit R/B as he wants. He can hit some parts of the wheel if he is very skilled, but for that also he will need specific conditions + his skills.
Hardly on modern very balanced wheels although...
But anyway you never want to play sectors of the wheel, before dealer spins the ball, so as constantly playing on one sector of the wheel. Then he can do something maybe..
Mr. F_LAT_INO in the past while working as a croupier learned many wiseasses a lesson like this.
But with this method there is no chance any dealer can harm you intentionaly ( If wheel is fair)
And also I would never play anything on any RNG
Cheers
Drazen
Hello Drazen_cro & Ego,
Thank you for your comments.
I see your point now and it was a misunderstanding.
Never the less I have seen with my own eyes that it is possible to hit numbers you want.
A Dealer (artist) was giving a demonstration ( no money involved ) in Amsterdam and people around the roulette table were ask for a number they had in mind , I was one of them , My number was 29 and it landed on 29.
He showed his skill 7 times on 7 different numbers and they all hit.
After this demonstration I place my bets...after...they spinned the ball...till now.
Have a nice weekend
John Rotterdam
Ahh you talk about artistic skills here mr. John. Well i presume that looks realy cool for the ones who don't understand some things about this game and see things like this. They can't be nothing but amazed.
But the truth is that even most tilted wheel in the world with the most experienced dealer out there using iron ball can't hit excatly in the desired number so many times in a row... That is just impossible.
What he was using were magnets under the wheel, but of course all that is very smoothly and discretive performed so doesn't look as setted up or magnetized at all.
Same magic you can see if you come in over 90% of croatian casinos, and most on the Balkan area.(when pitt boss needs extra money for his nose stuff if you understand). But I don't want to start this story by 100th time because no one in the civilized Europe and rest of the civilzied world just can't belive in such things, eventhough one respected older member which I also mentioned in the previous post here, has device which discoveres such things, because he was cheated like that few years ago. And also has same magnetized wheel at home that can do that... And he mentioned this few times also...
Anyway, later I ll make a post to show here again a bit of real magic on roulette :P
And I want you also to have pleasnt weekend time :)
Cheers
Drazen
Quote from: drazen_cro on Oct 05, 08:56 AM 2012
Ahh you talk about artistic skills here mr. John. Well i presume that looks realy cool for the ones who don't understand some things about this game and see things like this. They can't be nothing but amazed.
But the truth is that even most tilted wheel in the world with the most experienced dealer out there using iron ball can't hit excatly in the desired number so many times in a row... That is just impossible.
What he was using were magnets under the wheel, but of course all that is very smoothly and discretive performed so doesn't look as setted up or magnetized at all.
Same magic you can see if you come in over 90% of croatian casinos, and most on the Balkan area.(when pitt boss needs extra money for his nose stuff if you understand). But I don't want to start this story by 100th time because no one in the civilized Europe and rest of the civilzied world just can't belive in such things, eventhough one respected older member which I also mentioned in the previous post here, has device which discoveres such things, because he was cheated like that few years ago. And also has same magnetized wheel at home that can do that... And he mentioned this few times also...
Anyway, later I ll make a post to show here again a bit of real magic on roulette :P
And I want you also to have pleasnt weekend time :)
Cheers
Drazen
Hello Drazen-cro,
I have heard that before from a member who lives in Croatië , that most roulette wheels are tilted.
I been in several places in the previous Yugoslavia , one of them was Banja Luka , beautifull girls over there by the way but there roulette wheels are indeed ....................
I got my skill from reading articals from F_LAT_INO , in my opinion he is one of the best of this forum , because he speaks from experions.
Look forward to read some of your Magic on roulette Mr. Drazen.
Cheers
John Rotterdam
1) WLWLWWWLWLLWWWLWLWLLLW(12W 10L) +2
2) WWWLLWLLLWWWWWLWLLWWLLLWLWW (15W 12L) +3
3) LWLWWLLWWWWWLL (8W 6L) +2
4) LLLLWLWLLWLWLWWLLW (7W 11L) -4
5) WWLWLWLLWLLWLWWLLWWWW (12W 9L) +3
6) WLWWWWLWW (7W 2L) +2
7) LLWWLLLLLLLLLLLWLLLWLLLWLLLLLLLWLLLWLWWWWLW (12W 30L) -18
8.) WWLLLWWLWLWLWWWW (10W 6L) +4
9) WLWLWLWWWWLLWLLLWLWLWLL (11W 12L) -1
10) WLWWLLWLLWLW (6W 6L) +0
11) LWWWWLWLWLWWW (9W 4L) +5
12) WWLLLWLLWWWWLWLWWLLWLWLW (13W 11L) +2
13) LWWLLWLLLLLWLWWLWW (8W 10L) -2
14) LWLLWLWWLWWWW (8W 5L) +5
15) WLWLWLLWLLLLLWW (6W 9L) -3
16) WLWLWLWWWLWWLLLLWLW (10 W 9 L) +1
17) WLWLWWLWLLWLWWLWW (10W 7L) +3
18) LWLLWLWWWWW (7W 4L) +3
19) WWLWWLWWLLLWWWWLL (10W 7L) +3
20) LLLLLLLWLWWWWWLLWLWLW (9W 12L) -3
21) WLWWW (4W 1L) +3
22) LWLWWWWWWLWWLWWW (12W 4L) +8
23) LWLWLWLLLLLLWLLWLLLLWWW (8W 15L) -7
24) LWWWWLWLWWWWLW (10W 4L) +6
25) WLLWLLWWWLWWLWLW (9W 7L) +2
TOTAL: 446 PLACED BETS
233 WINS
213 LOSSES
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+20 FLAT BET
Modifing posts totaly sucks so this is comment to the results above. Admin should check the code.
Like when you want to delete something and whenever you press backspace font becomes very small or whenever you press backspace key, you lose function of copy/space. That irritates the most. Don't know why but i don't see such things on other forums.
Colors also don't work as expected, and i told that in one on few previous posts.It could be incredibly nice if someone whoevere fix those things could check that.
New cartridge belt of amunition was replaced, and gunfire started again.
As you can notice in round 7, we see a bit bigger difference then I had in all rounds till now.
I thought to myself, ok you are going down now. You got a big wound there..
But method showed that is is tough and brave and even after that shot didn't capitulate.
Instead, it stood up and came back to fight more, and in the end it seems it won. Decently...
So medal for bravery goes to the method and mr. Ego gets highest rank of general as one of the best tacticians roulette has seen in creating methods without edge in roulette
Salute!
Drazen
Good Work. Nice Job! Thank you Drazen and Ego.
:thumbsup:
I am not sure that does LW-Registry's are correct - i see very high variance with some samples.
I will test 2012 09 01 to 2012 09 10 and see if i get the same results.
The new idea to minimize variance or long losing strings is to wait for a fictive win after one losing attack and start all over - that way you have to get doubbles chopping like 1122 2233 1133 2211
Not sure if Drazen did it that way as i see six loses in a row would be one pretty rare event.
But if he did then the result is not as good as i hope for and will skip this bet selection.
Well mr. ego you can check and see if you will get similar results. But anyway variance is incredible lower comapring to anything else i tested.
Maybe I am not doing something right, although i don't think so. But if I could get even better results than this, that would be realy funny for me. :) Dont know.
Even Marigny has bigger variance and won +80 flat bet on 1000 placed bets
Method passed over 1000 placed bets with +63 flat bet, not as van Keelen would said it is super method, but still darn decent I say... And again new 20 tested wiesbaden sessions...
Results are as they are.
Yes, those losing streaks happen when rolling starts over. But still...
1) LWWLLWWLWLWWW (8W 6L) +2
2) LWLLLWLWWWWLWLLLLWLWLLLLLLW (10W 16L) -6
3) LLLWWWLWWLWWWWWWWWWWWLWW (18W 6L) +13
4) LWWWWWWLWLWLLWLW (10W 6L) +4
5) WWLWLLLLWWLLWWLLW (8W 9L) -1
6)LWLLLWLWLWLWWLLLLLW (7W 12L) -5
7) WWWLWWWWLLLWWLWLWLW (12W 7L) +5
8.) LWWLLLWWWLLWWLLWLLWLLWWLW (12W 13L) -1
9) LLWLWWLWLWWWLLWLWLWLLWLWLL (12W 14L) -2
10) LLLWWLWLWWLLWLWWWLLWW (11W 10L) +1
11) LLWWLWWLLLWW (6W 6L) +0
12) WLWLWWLWLWLLWLLLWWLWLWLWLWWWWWWW (18W 13L) +5
13) LLWWLLWWLWWWWLLLLLLLW (9W 12L) -3
14) LWWLWLLWW (5W 4L) +1
15) WLWLWLLWLLWLWWWWLLLLWLW (11W 12L) -1
16) WWLLLLLLLLLWLWWWLWWWWWLWWW (14W 12L) +2
17) WLWLWWWLLWLLLWW (8W 7L) +1
18) LLLLWLWWWWWWLWLWWLLLWW (12W 10L) +2
19) WLLWLLLLLLLWWLWLLLLWW (7W 14L) -7
20) WWWWWWWLLWWLLLLW (10W 6L) +4
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TOTAL:403 PLACED BETS
208 WINS
195 LOSSES
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+13 FLAT BET
Quote from: ego on Oct 06, 03:10 AM 2012
Not sure if Drazen did it that way as i see six loses in a row would be one pretty rare event.
But if he did then the result is not as good as i hope for and will skip this bet selection.
I have an idea. I ll attach that worst session that hit me, and you can check that rolling if you want.
Tested EC is R/B
You can also use mr. Bayeses program for extraction of wiesbaden spins to get pure clean sequence of numbers, without those scratches here. It is somewhere on the forum.
Or even better to go on wiesbadens spielbank find that date and table and when you open it you will see very nicely sorted numbers in columns. R on one B on other side. That way you have very nice visual aspect of those things what we seek.
Cheers
Drazen
Quote from: ego on Oct 06, 03:10 AM 2012
The new idea to minimize variance or long losing strings is to wait for a fictive win after one losing attack and start all over - that way you have to get doubbles chopping like 1122 2233 1133 2211
This I wasn't doing actualy when i read better. I didn't waited fictive win after losing attack, just changed trigger on lose, so that rolling could caught me. don't know, maybe like this would work even better.
But later I ll post last round of results I intend to post..
22 sessions, 384 placed bets produces +22 flat bet...
For me incredible... I have never seen anything not even close to this, but still for you big variance lol
Could it realy go even less in volatility? Then I would call it fairy tale bet hehe
Cheers
Drazen
Thanks for you kind words - i know that i hit 3.00 STD flat betting using my own march with Marigny - but you need a team to track all does even money position.
Yes i think i can create a method with lower variance - it is just that i am a littel tierd at the moment when it comes to coin flips - but i will be back as i enjoy it so much.
Cheers
Ok gents as i promised last round of tests.
We will see what will be next.
1) LLWLLWLLWWLWLWWWLWLLLLLLLW (10W 16L) -6
2) WWLLWLLLWLLWWLWWWW (10W 8L) +2
3) WLLLWWWWLWLWLLWLW (9W 8L) +1
4) LWLLWLLLWLLWLLLWWLWWLW (9W 13 L) -4
5) LWLWWWWLW (6W 3L) +3
6) WWLWWWLWLWWWW (10W 3L) +7
7) WLWWLLWWWLWWLLLLLLWLWW (11W 11L) +0
8)WLLWLLWWWWLLLLWLLLLWWWWLLWW (13W 14L) -1
9) LWLWWLLWLWLWWWLWWWWW (13W 7L) +6
10)LLWLLWLLWWWLLLWLLLWWWW (10W 12L) -2
11) LLWLWWWWWWLLW (8W 5L) +3
12)LLWWWWLWWLLWWLLW (9W 7L) +2
13) WLLWWWWWWWWLWW (11W 3L) +8
14) WLWLWWWLLWLL (6W 6L) +0
15)WLWLWLLLLLWLWLLLWLWWW (9W 12L) -3
16) WLLWLWWLLLWLLWLWL (8W 10L) -2
17) LWWWW (4W 1L) +3
18) WLLWLLWLLLWLWLLWLWLWLLWW (10W 14L) -4
19) WLLWWLWWLLLLLLWLWW (8W 10L) -2
20) WWLLLLLLWLWWWLLLWWLL (8W 12L) -4
21) WLWWLLLWWWLLLWLWWLLLW (10W 11L) -1
22) WWWWWLLWWWWWLLLW (11W 5L) +6
23) LWWWLLLWLWWWLWW (9W 6L) +3
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TOTAL PLACED BETS: 368
WINS: 192
LOSSES: 176
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+16 FLAT BET
Is drazen_cro pulling our collective leg???
Quote from: Still on Oct 06, 03:18 PM 2012
Is drazen_cro pulling our collective leg???
If you can use your head, no one can pull you for leg :thumbsup:
Drazen