As there is currently a lot of interest in repeating numbers, I am posting another one of my repeating number systems. This is similar to Sam's and Ralph's Magnificent Seven system.
The idea came from Superman's testing of numbers he did earlier this year. He found that some numbers can sleep for 640 spins and others can repeat 7 times in the first 100 spins.
The numbers that repeat 7 times in 100 spins I call the “Hot Numbersâ€. How do we identify these 7 “Hot Numbersâ€?
Every one of these “Hot Numbers†has one thing in common. They all repeated twice. No number that has not repeated twice will ever become a “Hot Numberâ€. Not all numbers that repeat twice will become a “Hot Number†but for sure, one of them will.
This method plays every number that repeats twice up to a maximum of 10 numbers. You will generally get a winner before 10 numbers are played.
This can be played B&M or on line live or RNG.
This system will lose in the long run but it has an impressive steak of wins. My test results (included in the spreadsheet) show 906 consecutive wins and then the RFH wiped it all out. Test out various Stop Losses and Profit Targets to find a suitable limit for your personal needs.
If you are a fan of Hit N Run tactics or if you just need another weapon in your arsenal, then this may be a worthy addition.
Both Manual and RNG spreadsheets attached.
Cheers . . .
Nick
It is a classical view of point! Many use the 2 repeat before add the method. I have found it is not less hits by use last shown. The repeated in the first 8 numbers is so frequent there are systems built upon that.
Repeaters or hot is a good way to go.
Sounds like ball24 to me
Much of my understanding of randomness came from a decade of research in
this area of hot numbers. You will understand how it flows and how it changes
with much more value to yourself when you can answer all these questions:
What are the average number of spins between hits for the hottest numbers?
BTW - I based all my techniques on 300 spin sessions. That's about ten hours on
a real wheel under real conditions.
What are the average number of spins that a hot number will remain hot?
How often will a sleeping number wake up and also become a hot number?
What is the average duration that a hot number sleeps while still being the hottest number?
What are the advantages of flat betting while betting on hot numbers?
What is the best spin number to stop betting on a hot number. In other words, When
should you switch to a better acting hot number?
... hope that adds to this topic.
Hi Turner . . .
Yes, you are right. This is similar to ball24.
If I recall, ball24 tracked the last 24 spins and bet the repeats so the numbers would change with each 24 spin cycle.
Hot Numbers only tracks the first 10 repeats. That's it. The numbers do not change. We are just looking for the Hot Numbers in the first 10 repeats.
While this method still fails long run, it had such a high strike rate that I thought to share it with other members, who knows, maybe they can tweak it.
Thanks Gizmotron, for the insight. It gives us a lot of areas to work on. My thinking was just to get the Hot Numbers in the first 100 spins. I thought that one of the first 10 numbers to repeat would be one of the Hot Numbers. I suspect most of the time this will be true..
Of course, you could get to spin 90 before a number repeats, and then that number could repeat 5 times consecutively making it a Hot Number. But that would be rare.
Thanks again for your contribution.
Nick
Cheers
Nick
I try to find the six hottest numbers by spin 70. At that point I confirm those
numbers by spin 100. I expect at least one of them to fall off the hot list in
the next 200 spins. The law of thirds also applies to the hot & cold numbers.
I have found that everything changes in about 450 spins. Good hot numbers
tend to hit around 14 times in 300 spins. They often hit 18-22 times when they
really heat up. They only need to hit 9 times in 300 spins to break even while
flat betting.
The reason why there is better to aim for hot numbers then could numbers.
First of all if you are lucky you might find a wheel with a slight true bias - then you will catch that train and reduce the house edge - that is a valid approach.
If you not hit a wheel with a slight bias you might catch random fluctuation that favours certain numbers - that is not a valid approach - but at least you still have to chance to catch a wheel with a slight bias - that is better then nothing.
This is the reason you should aim for hot and not could numbers.
As could numbers can never become a valid method or give you the chance to reduce the house edge.
What is bias and temporally bias in the short term.
There exist bias wheels and you can exploit them using hot numbers or combine them with a wheel signature that catch does numbers that might hit more frequent then others.
I name temporally bias into the same group as slight bias as its more commen then you might think that there exist wheels with true present bias numbers.
It is more commen that a larger sector is biased and where some numbers with in this larger sector hit more frequent.
But not allways does just does specific numbers hit as donators as some times the neighbouring numbers around them receive hits.
So the question is how you are going to catch that larger slight bias sectors and at least catch a couple of does bias numbers.
This is what you can do to put some physics into the subject.
First you separate the spins into counterclockwise direction into one group when you collect numbers and the other group into clockwise direction.
Spend one full night or day collecting 800 to 1000 spins in both directions.
Then when you get home you do the following.
Pick 2 alternating numbers that hit with out being neighbours.
Like 29 26 is two numbers and none of them are neighbours with each other.
Then attack tree attempts that one of does two numbers with neighbours will repeat.
That is a total of six numbers.
Then you do the same with 3 4 5 6 7 alternating numbers with the same principal as above.
You will then have a optimal attack window of three attempts for each test.
Lets assume you find that the previous five alternating numbers with out any present neighbours give the best results - hit or strike ratio playing 15 numbers.
Then there only can be two things that happen with does collected spins.
You find does favoring numbers - hot numbers - that are based upon a bigger slight bias sector or random fluctuation.
2 numbers = 6 numbers bet selection
3 numbers = 9 numbers bet selection
4 numbers = 12 numbers bet selection.
5 numbers = 15 numbers bet selection.
6 numbers = 18 numbers bet selection.
7 numbers = 21 numbers bet selection.
The reason you use past alternating numbers with out any neighbors present is that you then more likely will have at least some favoring numbers into that slight bias larger sector been hitting.
Or you catch the random fluctuation favoring certain numbers.
So after you spend one day tracking and test your collecting data you will find the optimal playing situation for that particular wheel.
Then you can play it next day with the optimal strategy.
Make sure it is still the same wheel, same ball size and that you only play one direction.
Quote from: Nickmsi on Oct 03, 11:41 AM 2012
Hi Turner . . .
Yes, you are right. This is similar to ball24.
If I recall, ball24 tracked the last 24 spins and bet the repeats so the numbers would change with each 24 spin cycle.
Hot Numbers only tracks the first 10 repeats. That's it. The numbers do not change. We are just looking for the Hot Numbers in the first 10 repeats.
While this method still fails long run, it had such a high strike rate that I thought to share it with other members, who knows, maybe they can tweak it.
Thanks Gizmotron, for the insight. It gives us a lot of areas to work on. My thinking was just to get the Hot Numbers in the first 100 spins. I thought that one of the first 10 numbers to repeat would be one of the Hot Numbers. I suspect most of the time this will be true..
Of course, you could get to spin 90 before a number repeats, and then that number could repeat 5 times consecutively making it a Hot Number. But that would be rare.
Thanks again for your contribution.
Nick
Cheers
Nick
Nick...u can change ball24 to track 10 static or rolling
If you are going to aim for hot numbers with out any real parameters - then you could play RWD ...
Cheers
Thanks for posting this Nickmsi.
This is an excellent example of what to expect from a lot of systems posted on this forum.
You're right. This has a higher hit rate than most systems, but in the end it crashed so no matter what the hit rate, we need some parameters to play it.
This is where individual preferences come into play. It can be tweaked lot of ways so that we can realistically play it without losing the farm.
Of course, it will mean the losing sessions come more frequently but aren't as devastating. Although, enough of them close together can have the same result as really big losses spread farther apart.
The other guy's comments are all excellent also.
I consider this an excellent educational topic for novices and the more experienced alike.
As with all systems, a little luck goes a long way.
I like it. :thumbsup:
GLC
Thanks GLC for the comments . . .
I owe most of my knowledge of roulette to this forum and the helpfulness of it’s individual members. My knowledge is limited but evolving. It started with “How can you lose if you just double up on each loss†to “How does the Pigeon Hole Principle apply to roulette†to “How does random really workâ€.
When I post a system, whether I developed it myself or someone else did, I hope that members will learn two things:
(1) How random works
(2) How Excel works
All my code is open so anyone can see how the tracker was coded. That is how I learned and hopefully others can as well because you need something to assist in testing. It is almost impossible to do it manually.
I appreciate other ideas that you, Ego, Gizmotron and others have posted because they always have a few new approaches to whatever method someone is working on and that’s how one learns.
OK, I know I am rambling and am beginning to sound like TwoCatSam (just joking Sam). . . you have a better sense of humor.
Cheers . . .
Nick
Well i have lately read about temporally bias and they claim that the auto-correlation manifest and give them an edge.
I my self is looking into this field and find it interesting.
So just collecting number with out any reason is sure a dead end and have been done for as long roulette exist.
That many people don't know is that the casino let wheels with a slight bias still operate - be in action.
A slight wheel and the nature behind the bias is a hard nut to crack.
What we know do is that some numbers are slight bias within a larger sector or group of numbers where does bias numbers not always have to donate hits as neighbour hits also as favouring numbers.
LBS = larger bias sector exist and is not as rare as you might think - the question is how you build up a wheel signature to catch does numbers with some kind of sequential conditional probability - i think i have the answer to that question.
For average JOE it would be more likely better to aim for what you call hot numbers based upon some valid principals and add some physic parameters into the subject.
Then you will face two possibility's - one is that you catch and jump on board random fluctuation favouring certain numbers or you hit a slight bias wheel - if the last option you might even reduce the house edge and if you are really lucky you might find your self auto-correlation to manifest an edge over the house.
I have a long term wheel using a wheel signature - i play that wheel once or twice a week after work.
At the moment i am testing temporally bias with LBS using my own Huxley wheel at home collecting data.
You can also read the recent posts at Laurance Scott open forum board where we discuss the subject to explore temporally bias.
Cheers
Sequential conditional probability.
Lets assume you would attack once for each sequential conditional situation.
Then the result might look like this when you catch random fluctuation with favouring numbers.
21
21
21
21
21
21
21
-9
-9
-9
21
6
21
21
-45
6
6
21
-45
21
21
-9
21
21
21
-45
-9
21
6
21
- - - - - - - - - -
402
-180
= 222 units
- - - - - - - - - -
-9
21
21
6
-45
6
21
21
-45
21
21
21
21
21
6
21
21
-9
21
-45
21
6
21
21
21
21
-45
6
-45
-9
21
6
6
21
- - - - - - - - - -
441
-252
= 189 units
- - - - - - - - - -
6
21
-9
21
-9
-45
21
21
21
6
-9
-9
6
21
6
6
21
6
-9
6
-45
-45
6
6
21
21
-9
6
-45
21
6
-9
6
21
-45
6
21
- - - - - - - - - -
330
-288
= 42 Units
Sequential conditional probability
Now here is also an example how it looks like then you catch random fluctuation favouring certain numbers using sequential conditional probability to catch LBS ...
19 15 4
1 33 20
13 27 36
5 10 24
29 31 7
20 1 14 W
18 22 29 W
24 5 16 W
13 27 36 W
8 30 23 L
22 9 18 L
32 0 15 W
36 13 11 W
1 33 20 W
23 8 10 W
32 0 15 W
8 30 23 L
32 0 15 W
3 35 26 L
6 34 27 L
11 36 30 W
18 22 29 W
9 31 22 L
27 6 13 W
22 9 18 L
31 14 9 L
25 2 17 L
- - - - - - - - - -
19 15 4
24 5 16
25 2 17
30 11 8
27 6 13
7 29 28 L
28 7 12 L
19 15 4 W
25 2 17 W
21 4 2 W
36 13 11 W
11 36 30 W
23 8 10 W
1 33 20 L
10 23 5 W
29 18 7 L
36 13 11 W
5 10 24 W
27 6 13 W
34 17 6 W
2 21 25 W
13 27 36 W
23 8 10 W
6 34 27 W
4 19 21 W
12 28 35 L
30 11 8 W
0 26 32 L
26 3 0 L
23 8 10 W
24 5 16 W
23 8 10 W
0 26 32 L
24 5 16 W
29 18 7 L
17 25 34 W
11 36 30 W
15 32 19 W
13 27 36 W
18 22 29 L
29 18 7 L
20 1 14 L
If you are going to explore this field you should forget about the tables layout or just pick numbers with out a valid reason.
There is some basics involved.
You have to learn the wheel layout, the number ring.
I have made a great topic about the subject and how you can learn the wheel within a week or two.
Search for "How to learn the wheel" ...
This is the last post about the subject as i really don't want to give away to much information based upon the subject.
This is the last post about the subject as i really don't want to give away to much information based upon the subject.
--It really beats me.Why posting in the first place if you don't want to give away too much info.based
upon the subject.I think you reckon that ppl here are all AVERAGE JOES/as yopu call them/and you
wish to be lecturer.......BUT LECTURER OF WHAT???? If you refuse to give further informations.
Isn't this a teasing...and no wonder ppl.avoid your posts couse they probably realised this before me.
It is not like that and how you describe it.
The second level to continue to write about the subject is so sensitive and also part of information i am not allow to share on public boards - that simple.
Then if pepole avoid my topics i have to be honest and say i did not know that.
As i get several PMs about different topics i made and we discuss.
So i do not feel that is true.
I have also teach or sharing material in private.
Quote from: ego on Oct 04, 03:53 AM 2012
It is not like that and how you describe it.
The second level to continue to write about the subject is so sensitive and also part of information i am not allow to share on public boards - that simple.
Then if pepole avoid my topics i have to be honest and say i did not know that.
As i get several PMs about different topics i made and we discuss.
So i do not feel that is true.
I have also teach or sharing material in private.
Nobody wants to share info on where to find a biased wheel ;D Without it an advantage play is just a nice hobby.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Oct 04, 04:06 AM 2012
Nobody wants to share info on where to find a biased wheel ;D Without it an advantage play is just a nice hobby.
Well personally i have no time to collect data or apply defect spotting the traditional way.
It takes a team to pull if off.
That is why i personally find temporally short term bias being interesting - if it does exist.
Laruance say it just is artistic approach - who search with the right tools and understanding will find out the truth.
For my self so will i soon have a good read with a similar topic when i get my book i buy.
If there is something new or anything of interesting with that book i might come back and add some comments based upon my understanding and opinions.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Oct 04, 03:27 AM 2012
This is the last post about the subject as i really don't want to give away to much information based upon the subject.
--It really beats me.Why posting in the first place if you don't want to give away too much info.based
upon the subject.I think you reckon that people here are all AVERAGE JOES/as yopu call them/and you
wish to be lecturer.......BUT LECTURER OF WHAT???? If you refuse to give further informations.
Isn't this a teasing...and no wonder people.avoid your posts couse they probably realised this before me.
Unfair flat...in my opinion
I gain a lot from egos extensive posting.
Turner
You new here Turner...and I know exactly what I'm about which,it seems,you didn't grasp.
As if you,or I,post the method and say.....Sorry guys I can't explain end of the movie.
That what beats me.But never mind I'm not watching it again.
Quote from: ego on Oct 04, 03:53 AM 2012
It is not like that and how you describe it.
The second level to continue to write about the subject is so sensitive and also part of information i am not allow to share on public boards - that simple.
That implies to me that somebody is stopping you from sharing said information ???
Would you care to elaborate please ?
O0
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Oct 04, 05:26 AM 2012
You new here Turner...and I know exactly what I'm about which,it seems,you didn't grasp.
As if you,or I,post the method and say.....Sorry guys I can't explain end of the movie.
That what beats me.But never mind I'm not watching it again.
Im hardly new at 50 years old. You dont have to be here 3 years to spot when someone is being unfair or rude
Turner he is free to have he's own impression - i don't care so much.
Well no reason to jump at anybody - after all it is only a roulette board.
I don't tell others what i think about F as then i would be very rude as i have nothing positive to say.
You see it goes both ways - no big deal.
Quote from: ego on Oct 04, 05:48 AM 2012
Turner he is free to have he's own impression - i don't care so much.
Well no reason to jump at anybody - after all it is only a roulette board.
I know....theres allways one....as we say in uk.
Back to hot numbers please :thumbsup:
Quote from: ddarko on Oct 04, 05:32 AM 2012
That implies to me that somebody is stopping you from sharing said information ???
Would you care to elaborate please ?
O0
Well if you was me and X gave a complete understanding about bias and with a complete working playing model to maintain an edge - by the way Thorp is involved developing it.
Then would you discuss it in public or even share private.
You see physics gain positive expectation and that is something roulette system never can do.
Quote from: Turner on Oct 04, 05:52 AM 2012
I know....theres allways one....as we say in uk.
Back to hot numbers please :thumbsup:
Turner i like your style PM me and i will give you some topics about the subject in private.
It would take me for ever to wrap them up with my own words - better you read them by your self and get your own impression and understanding.
Cheers
Quote from: ego on Oct 04, 05:54 AM 2012
Well if you was me and X gave a complete understanding about bias and with a complete working playing model to maintain an edge - by the way Thorp is involved developing it.
Then would you discuss it in public or even share private.
You see physics gain positive expectation and that is something roulette system never can do.
ok fair enough, thanks for taking the time to answer my question.
From that I assume (again) the above is some along the lines of advantage play etc etc
So why on earth are you posting about "roulette systems" ??
Isn't one way to beat roulette enough ?
O0
Yes true.
I know you can not out guess 50/50 and i enjoy developing all kinds of crazy ways to get as low variance as possible - it is a hobby and i am fascinating about coin flips and does random distribution.
I don't apply them with real money - but was thinking i might try out one idea among does with sport betting using Asian handicap - just with peanut money :-)
And how strange it might sound so do i believe some roulette system players are successfully using there methods even if they face negative expectation at all times.
Quote from: ego on Oct 04, 05:58 AM 2012
Turner i like your style
Lol....i wasnt aware i had any.
Thanks....i will definatly pm later when im not on this android phone
Cheers
Turner
Quote from: Turner on Oct 04, 06:17 AM 2012
LoL....i wasn't aware i had any.
Thanks....i will definatly pm later when I'm not on this android phone
Cheers
Turner
That is hard - i did that once surfing with my mobile and writing at a forum board - i hate using mobile with internet :-)
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Oct 04, 03:27 AM 2012
This is the last post about the subject as i really don't want to give away to much information based upon the subject.
--It really beats me.Why posting in the first place if you don't want to give away too much info.based
upon the subject.I think you reckon that people here are all AVERAGE JOES/as yopu call them/and you
wish to be lecturer.......BUT LECTURER OF WHAT? ??? If you refuse to give further informations.
Isn't this a teasing...and no wonder people.avoid your posts couse they probably realised this before me.
I don't want to get into an argument here, but I know for a fact, that Ego dose share information with people on this forum, either through PM or on skype, so to say Ego dose not share, is not correct.
Thanks
malcop
Quote from: malcop on Oct 04, 07:36 AM 2012
I don't want to get into an argument here, but I know for a fact, that Ego dose share information with people on this forum, either through PM or on Skype, so to say Ego dose not share, is not correct.
Thanks
malcop
--But not on the forum,and that's what I'm about.
And Turner it's you that are being rude and sarcastic
with your comment;about having one.......and you also
don't have to be 3 years here to spot other things...we
in my country call these flurkeys.....
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Oct 04, 08:04 AM 2012
--But not on the forum,and that's what I'm about.
And Turner it's you that are being rude and sarcastic
with your comment;about having one.......and you also
don't have to be 3 years here to spot other things...we
in my country call these flurkeys.....
Thanks for sharing that.