Ok guys, most of you probably never heard of this. If you want to see the original thread, its here:
link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=6273.0 (link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=6273.0)
Its a very long thread and very confusing. It will take you a while to get used to it. However, the good news is that I have done the hard work for all of you by understanding it.
So please pay attention to the rules and I also believe that I might have enhance it hence why its called reloaded. I haven't tried it myself yet so I thought I just get it out here so people can test it. Its quite accurate and even freaky sometimes.
Anyways:
Divide the roulette board into 9 number sectors. e.g. 1-9 10-18 19-27 28-36
Look for 2 numbers that belong to the same sector that just appeared. e.g. 18,20 28,30 3,9
then wait for 2 spins to go pass, then put a unit on each of the 9 numbers. The payout is 4:1 so use progression accordingly. Stop if you miss 3 times.
Wait for another 2 number from the same section and do the same until you hit. Always stop if you miss 3 times and just wait for the next 2 numbers from the same sector.
If anyone can test this, it would be great.
Hello? This is one of the best system I hae ever studied and no replies? Much better than ignatus's systems
Thanks for the simple explanation amazin
I remember this from the old days but couldnt decipher it so well done!
Thanks Amazing, it was not easy to understand in VLSroulette. At least for me.
Which progresion can we apply?
Yeah, I was one of the few people who actually understood it and I believe I have enhanced it.
So the payout is 4:1 so progression should be:
level 1: 1 unit on each number so thats 9 units
level 2: same
Level 3: same
Level 4: 2 units on each number
Level 5: same
I think its best to play this with other systems but it is definately one of the best system I have ever played and certainly worth exploring further. I have 1000s of real spin numbers and I would say, 90% of the time, the same sector will hit again within 5 spins. Its freaky, trust me. If you have some real spin numbers, see for yourself.
"Look for 2 numbers that belong to the same sector that just appeared. e.g. 18,20 28,30 3,9"
Do these 2 numbers have to be back to back appearing? If not how far apart must they appear?
IT seems interesting.... maybe someone can code this i RX and see how it goes with some real spins?
Amazin, You seem to have whittled this thing down quite a bit from what the original author wrote. You have fewer 9 number sectors and you have eliminated the neighbors bets. You also seem to have eliminated seeking the patterns he spoke about.
Are you convinced that your way of interpreting his system works?
If so, he sure spent a lot of time and words confusing everyone for no good reason that I can think of. Unless it was because he had the "grail" if you could understand his whole approach.
GLC
GLC if u understand this system maybe could u translate it to us? PLEASE...
Quote from: kevint3 on Nov 24, 07:56 AM 2012
"Look for 2 numbers that belong to the same sector that just appeared. e.g. 18,20 28,30 3,9"
Do these 2 numbers have to be back to back appearing? If not how far apart must they appear?
Yep, back to back. My research also shows that it doesn't matter so much if there is another number in between but for now, just stick to back to back.
@GLC: Feel free to add anything you want after all this is what this forum is for. Can you explain what you mean by fewer 9 number sectors and neighboring bets? If you checkout that thread, you will see the exercise i did and Wahome confirmed it that I was right. In the end of the day, you are still betting 9 numbers so it doesn't make that much difference. Like I said, I have some real spins from smart live casino and my method works. This is why I'm posting because I want further testing.
Amazin you have right - i back to original method on VLS forum... I read all 20 pages, found your posts. Now im playing your method and it works. I will post my results tommorow...
Best Regards
Michael
BTW - it is message for GLC (with all due respect)
Amazin modify original method and share it with us, so if u want be useful just test it like i do...
all the best
Quote from: Smoczoor on Nov 24, 08:57 PM 2012
by the way - it is message for GLC (with all due respect)
Amazin modify original method and share it with us, so if u want be useful just test it like i do...
all the best
Hey fellas, I wasn't trying to be critical, I just never could decipher the bad English in the original method. Waaahome re-states the system in reply #9 and you will notice these 2 lines:
"you bet all around those numbers, straigt up and on splits so for $1 chip u have $21 total.......
plus I bet the numbers beside and stock up on a repeat hoping it will hit...and IT WILL........"
I was just asking about Amazin's tweaks vs the original.
Unfortunately, this is not the kind of method I like to play. To do it Waaahome's way, takes way too much pre-bet analysis. Maybe that's what it takes to play the HG, if so, count me out.
The way Amazin has presented it, seems to be much more playable but I have no time for in depth analysis or testing at this time so I won't be very useful to you.
I will state the obvious if you don't mind. Testing only shows if the system is one you personally like to play. It never proves that it's the stone cold mortals winner. As has been shown many times, a system can win for thousands of spins and then tank big time. We just never know.
Even with a 2 or 3% advantage, because of spin fluctuations, you could go broke with all but the largest banks. Unless you play with a flat bet, but that doesn't seem to be the suggested bet method. So a stop loss is for sure in order.
I'll stop interupting your post now.
Good Luck to you guys,
GLC
So using the term "Holy Grail" is taboo?
When I use the term, it's for a reason. Having a program change it to "method" weakens my point.
Is this manipulation of posts an admin decision or is it the will of the the members? And what possible rationale can this represent?
Quote from: Smoczoor on Nov 24, 08:57 PM 2012
by the way - it is message for GLC (with all due respect)
Amazin modify original method and share it with us, so if u want be useful just test it like i do...
all the best
woohhh ... relax dude :xd:
im on the same boat with GLC in understanding gramps system and besides amazin said that this a tweak of gramps system.
the way i understand gramps system its more flexible than amazin's tweak. we can bet numbers 4-12(i could be wrong) instead of just sticking to 1-9 or 10-18
i believe amazin tweaked gramps system so that we can clearly understand it.
Amazin,
When you get a hit first attempt, do you go for another hit within the next five, or do you track for a different pair of repeats.
Trebor
Quote from: trebor on Nov 25, 09:17 AM 2012
Amazin,
When you get a hit first attempt, do you go for another hit within the next five, or do you track for a different pair of repeats.
Trebor
if you get a hit, then track for a new trigger. Also, don't bet on the first 2 spins. They are just empty spins. Just bet on the next 3 spins, if you miss, give up and wait for a new trigger or play a different method to recover.
Quote"you bet all around those numbers, straight up and on splits so for $1 chip You have $21 total.......
plus I bet the numbers beside and stock up on a repeat hoping it will hit...and IT WILL........"
I was just asking about Amazin's tweaks vs the original.
Can you tell me which page it is? I don't remember seeing that line but I have done some practises and Waahome told me I was right. Yes GLC I have made some changes and I believe it is now much safer and efficient. Waahome never told anyone when to stop and when the pattern will become horizontal. The truth is that you can just don't know because roulette is random therefore a stop loss mechanism is needed.
Btw, can someone provide some live spin numbers so I can demonstrat how its done?
oops, I forgot to add, also stop betting if a new trigger appeared and start to bet on the new one instead.
Amazin, Go to Waaahome's original post on VLS and look at reply #9. That's where the quote is.
Hey, if you have found a way to play that is winning and is easier to understand and play than his, congratualtions. I'm not challenging your method, just trying to understand it.
You'll also notice that waaahome has 10 sets of 9 numbers for us to keep track of. His way is way too complicated for this tired mind to grasp. Although I did figure out how to play "The Very Near Infallible Roulette System" but it took a lot of time and effort. But in the end, it was worth it. That's still one of my favorites.
Cheers,
GLC
Quote from: Amazin on Nov 25, 06:13 PM 2012
by the way, can someone provide some live spin numbers so I can demonstrat how its done?
from alfa street air ball
read as left to right then next line.
17 23 3 20 9 31
22 18 20 27 9 0
4 5 1 12 11 17
9 20 11 30 0 27
16 29 24 33 0 15
13 6 24 9 9 11
21 9 26 23 12 4
28 16 31 1 30 31
7 16 26 7 1 21
6 13 33 5 26 21
5 10 1 15 24 21
29 28 26 30 31 18
18 1 4 1 0 34
@ waaahome (link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=95498f2f2f817b32b5bb969d8b654644&action=profile;u=1971)
I made today + 160 units by your game in 150 spins.My progression:( Lost +1 and if won : cross the progressions down)1/12/23/34/45/5MAX bet today 5 units.I was winning 4 times on a row. Longest vertical row: 10. Had 6 times 5 lost in the row, and let go, until winner virtuel.
;)
ludo8400
@Ludo: do you still play this method? if so, how do you play it?
anyways, thanks for the real numbers. Remember, this system only works on live wheel, no rng.
Waahome had a unique way of recording numbers and he argues that you should wait when the numbers goes horizontal. Like I said before, you just never know when because its roulette. I will write out the numbers the way he recommands. Unfortunately I don't know how to write vertically on here so it will go horizontal instead. Here it goes: G=Granpa (trigger)
17 23 3 20 9 31
22 18 20 27 9 0
4 5G (get ready to bet! wait until 2 spins)
1 12 (now bet!) 11 17
9(hit!, now retrack)
20 11 30 0 27
16 29 24 33 0 15
13(G)
6 24(bet after 2 spins) 9 9 11(hit again!)
Now retrack again (hehe)
21 9 26 23G
12 4
28(hit! on the first bet!)
retrack: (now watch this, its bit tricky)
16 31 1 30 31G (see the trigger here?)
7 16 26 7 1G (no hit! but see the new G?)
21 6 13 33 5(hit! continue with your progression here and still in profit!)
Retrack:
26 21 5 10 1 15 24 21G
29 28 (see here? a new trigger just appeared? so bet on these instead and forget about the old trigger) 26 (hit!)
30 31G
18 18 1 4 1 0 34 (here you will experience a lose or a win depend on the next few numbers)
any questions, let me know
@ amazin
34,2,17,24
D21
D22
9 (number voisin)
D7
14,21,35
3( number Voisin)
D9
..........
1. I play after a Voisin number hit and after a D number. (D21.... D7 etc.)
2. I play for at least 3 losses. When the losses are longer I let it past until virtual winner.
EX After D7 comes 14,21,35 = 3 losses.
3. I play, when he makes intermittenz
EX.
7,23
D24
13,19
D21
......
I play with 0,1 EUR = 11 units are 1,1 EURO
My progression, I told before.
My website a Belgian legal casino website and yes I played Random.
Highest bet until now (500 spins) is 6 units = 6,6 EURO
:)
Ludo8400
@ Amaizin,
you write, when 2 numbers of a sector hits then wait for two spins and bet that sector 3 times.
But what would I do if during those 2 spins wait, the sector hits again ?!?
Sometimes there are repeaters of a sector.
Would I cancel that bet and start to retrack ? Or wait for another two spins to bet on that sector ?
e.g.
2
6 (trigger sector 1)
7 (sector 1 again !!)
Ray
....just another thought....
if sector 1 triggers, couldn't we just bet dozzen1 ? gives us the advantage of additional 3 numbers !!
same if sector 4 triggers.
with sector 2 an 3 it wouldn't work, because a part of the numbers are in a diffrent dozzen. (Maybe, make that a double dozzen bet , instead)
.....just a thought
Ray
Thank for share your knowledge about this system
I'm confused a bit
you say
21 9 26 23G
12 4
28(hit! on the first bet!)
But 28 is not into the 9 numbers sector, i am right?
Then
Retrack:
26 21 5 10 1 15 24 21G
29 28 (see here? a new trigger just appeared? so bet on these instead and forget about the old trigger) 26 (hit!) but you did not wait for 2 spin here either, so we don't have to wait for 2 spins if a new (G) appear next?
And then you say 30 31G
18 18 1 4 1 0 34 (here you will experience a lose or a win depend on the next few numbers)
18 18 (Is it a G)??, 1 4 (Are they the new G?)
Thanks
leknightroulette,
Quote21 9 26 23G
12 4
28(hit! on the first bet!)
....think you are right. The 28 belongs to the 4th sector. And the way I see it , it is not a hit.
QuoteRetrack:
26 21 5 10 1 15 24 21G
29 28
...... I would play the 3rd sector for 3 spins and keeping in mind the "29 , 28" (4th sector)
Should after 3 spins none of the 4th sector numbers apear, I would then bet on sector 4 giving you a one spin bonus.
Ray
@ ludo,
QuoteI play after a Voisin number hit and after a D number. (D21.... D7 etc.)
....could you explain what a Voisin number is ?!? Missed that one....
Ray
Quote from: rayhd63 on Dec 01, 03:27 PM 2012
@ ludo,
....could you explain what a Voisin number is ?!? Missed that one....
Ray
I was wondering too because 9 isnt voisins
These are divided in a way that nearly all the numbers can bet using splits by the way
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Nice thanks
Quote from: rayhd63 on Dec 01, 03:24 PM 2012
leknightroulette,
....think you are right. The 28 belongs to the 4th sector. And the way I see it , it is not a hit.
...... I would play the 3rd sector for 3 spins and keeping in mind the "29 , 28" (4th sector)
Should after 3 spins none of the 4th sector numbers apear, I would then bet on sector 4 giving you a one spin bonus.
Ray
Ive been backtesting this and it goes well and yes its freaky
Big M
Hear what i'm writing, i was a big fan of this method.
I use to bet the trigger number with a prog of 1,1,1,2,2,3,4,5,10,15,20,25,35,50 - 14 spins, it won on FOBT's for months, then it started to lose. I'd see it miss for 34 spins. ( think about it) say your betting a section of 9 numbers in one of the dozens, how many can a dozen sleep for.
So sticking to 4 bets is a safe way.
Now as the ball was bouncing around the mat as waahome said, i wondered what it would be for the same idea but on the wheel. Maybe Ignatus has a method like this.
You note the number, lets say zero, and this way you can cover zero,Zeros spread is 12,35,3,26,0,32,15,19,4 lets say 25 hits, its spread is 19,4,21,2,25,17,34,6,27.
So zero hits, next spin is 25, the 2 sections overlap like the mats method, so bet the 25 section of 9 numbers, if the ball moves away and triggers in a new section, i left the original trigger and started on the new.
I dont know why i stopped, think KTF was having a tweek.
also i have all the time in the world to place the wheel method or any method, as i'm on the FOBT and i push the button, so if it takes 1 minute thats okay.
Only problem is, i would think every winning ticket is flaged up and scrutinized, so they can rework there algorithm, as these mickey mouse roulette machines are there for you to lose not win.
Quote from: nottophammer on May 19, 04:29 AM 2017same idea but on the wheel. Maybe Ignatus has a method like this.
Hi Notto! :)
Yes i have! The original "Wheel of Fortune", link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18787.msg175346#msg175346
i had very good result playing it also, i didn't know why i forgot about it? thx for reminding me
Hey notto
I go to a b&m casino my backtesting is looling really good 4 this pne thanks for the info matey ...more research for me ...i reckon ur better than priyanka ...buddy
The top picture is the numbers posted in this thread. Using top3. You would tell me you could not make a profit with #9. Those in the know; when was #1 picked up.
The second picture we can see how betting top3 makes a good profit.
Hi notto,
in the picture below my row number 3 is somewhat different to yours.
Could be it's not important ?
Who starts lap 3?
Is 9, 1st or 20.
Look at 4th line of 6 numbers; where is #9
Webby.
Great idea asks for advice.
Instead of going around the world let us go straight to the point.
In Turbo's advantage of repeaters 3.
The opening graph shows 1st three to complete each lap from 1x to 20x. To the right side of the picture, he shows how many numbers have shown in 60 positions. There are 11 numbers and shows how many times appeared.
Some would like to use 1 number, so, position 1; most call this the leader.
Let us look at #7, position 1x-3. It's 1st appearance. Hope you've copied the picture.
If you look at the appearances, Turbo says 13 appearances. At 20x he shows 474 spins.
What if you bet the #7 all the way to 20x?
Now my math could be a bit off here.
#7, 1st show's at spin 3. It's last appearance is spin 474.
471/19= 24.78 spins.
This average says #7 hits every, round up 25 spins. Obviously, some laps take longer than 25 spins; maybe 38. Then other laps might be around 14 spins.
But the average is 25 spins.
What about #10, 2x-3 and at 20x-3. Did it only show 4 times. Yes, if you only see a picture for 1st 3.
When at 20x we see 7-8-10; on laps 17x-18x-19x-20x where is #5. It might be hitting better than 35-1. What of the riddle those at positions 4-5-6 even 7-8-9 horses. He does mention 9 horses.
I'll leave it here.
Perhaps herby has some thoughts for this?
Take a look
37/74/111
Hy notto,
thanks for answering.
Tomorrow tuesday I'll find more time to study your answer, today I'm finished, too much work. :sad2:
Grandpa = Priyanka.
So what?
Hi Notto,
thanks again for your input above, its programmed.
Tomorrow I'll search for longterm negative streaks.
CU
Herby
Should horses #'s 10 up to 37 be considered.
Herby
Person S
You ask how can these points be visualised?
How do you record the stream.
Top is using positions 10-37. 68 spins using just top 3 with +1
There's always a game.
2 ways.
When the chief of the riddles posted the 1st graph. 60 positions. I've shown you could +1 all top 3 to 20x.
Here's the bit. He always has good graphs.
If you try all the way to 20x using top3. Take it from me; you will have to drop some. Like his #10. But the riddle; some leave and comeback; the #10 did comeback. Would you reinstate it?
About time Dr S A A chimed in with nothing of use
Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 22, 03:49 PM 2022Herby
Should horses #'s 10 up to 37 be considered.
Hi Notto,
As I told you, I programmed 2 times the main idea , 2 times (with getting the same results) because I found an interesting viewpoint.
I'll carefully retest.
Many thanks for your infos.
Herby