:thumbsup:
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This system bets on 11 numbers, the same 11 numbers every time.
I consider these 11 numbers the barycenter of the European roulette wheel.
Add some binomal distribution and you got yourself a decent little system.
0,1,2,4,15,16,19,21,25,32,33 >> These are my barycentric numbers for the European roulette wheel.
Win goal = +198 units.
stop-loss = -1188 units
Each round bet these 11 numbers for 3 attempts, stop on a win.
Reset any game when win goal or stop-loss is reached. You can play on if you like; just reset the bets back to 1 unit per number.
Whenever the bet wins you must wait for some virtual losses before betting again.
Any win with a 1 unit per number bet is repeated after waiting for 2 tallied virtual losses.
To tally the virtual losses we go up 1 on a V/loss and down 1 in a V/win.
After any lost round of 3 bets add 1 unit to each number and bet the next round immediately.
After a win with more than 1 unit per number bet, hold the same bet for 1 more round. If win again drop 1 unit for next round, and keep dropping units after each won round until back to 1 unit bets.
If lose add 1 unit per number and bet next round immediately. Keep adding 1 unit per number after each lost round until a winner, then hold that bet amount for the next round after waiting the correct number of virtual losses.
So after a loss we always bet immediately, and after a win we always wait for some virtual losses before betting again.
Win with 1 unit wait 2 V/losses.
Win with 2 units wait 4 V/losses.
Win with 3 or more units wait 6 V/losses.
6 V/losses is the most we will ever wait.
When on the way up, tally the amount of V/losses from the last bet amount.
When holding the bet, tally the amount of V/losses from the current bet amount.
When on the way down, tally the amount of V/losses from the next bet amount.
Example:
Apparently these are the numbers that once ate TwoCatSam’s lunch! They are probably RNG numbers with no zero, but it doesn't really matter. I still used 11 number bets, and it still made some profit.
10 loss v1
1 win v0
25 win v0
1 win v0
13 loss v1
19 win v0
20 loss v1
28 loss v2 bet next spin
26 bet 11x1 loss -11
34 bet 11x1 loss -22
9 bet 11x1 loss -33
30 bet 11x2 loss -55
30 bet 11x2 loss -77
18 bet 11x2 loss -99
36 bet 11x3 loss -132
1 bet 11x3 win -57 wait 6 V/losses
1 win v0
11 loss v1
7 loss v2
15 win v1
36 loss v2
10 loss v3
30 loss v4
12 loss v5
1 win v4
9 loss v5
10 loss v6 bet next spin hold 3 unit bet
3 bet 11x3 loss -90
34 bet 11x3 loss -123
18 bet 11x3 loss -156
16 bet 11x4 loss -200
31 bet 11x4 loss -244
19 bet 11x4 win -144 wait 6 V/losses
26 loss v1
19 win v0
1 win v0
17 loss v1
20 loss v2
12 loss v3
2 win v2
3 loss v3
35 loss v4
3 loss v5
36 loss v6 bet next spin hold 4 unit bet
4 bet 11x4 win -44 wait 6 V/losses
1 win v0
5 loss v1
10 loss v2
2 win v1
10 loss v2
20 loss v3
3 loss v4
1 win v3
23 loss v4
29 loss v5
6 loss v6 bet next spin drop to 3 unit bet
6 bet 11x3 loss -77
9 bet 11x3 loss -110
33 bet 11x3 loss -143
22 bet 11x4 loss -187
4 bet 11x4 win -87 wait 6 V/losses
1 win v0
16 win v0
10 loss v1
10 loss v2
26 loss v3
2 win v2
28 loss v3
30 loss v4
15 win v3
33 loss v4
13 loss v5
17 loss v6 bet next spin hold 4 unit bet
21 bet 11x4 win +13 wait 6 V/losses
2 win v0
19 win v0
33 win v0
25 win v0
17 loss v1
7 loss v2
2 win v1
26 loss v2
4 win v1
6 loss v2
11 loss v3
22 loss v4
13 loss v5
13 loss v6 bet next spin drop to 3 unit bet
31 bet 11x3 loss -20
26 bet 11x3 loss -53
30 bet 11x3 loss -86
5 bet 11x4 loss -130
14 bet 11x4 loss -174
32 bet 11x4 win -74 wait 6 V/losses
15 win v0
16 win v0
4 win v0
14 loss v1
23 loss v2
23 loss v3
3 loss v4
16 win v3
12 loss v4
1 win v3
26 loss v4
2 win v3
24 loss v4
29 loss v5
32 win v4
13 loss v5
1 win v4
1 win v3
17 loss v4
15 win v3
33 win v2
6 loss v3
27 loss v4
11 loss v5
33 win v4
2 win v3
30 loss v4
32 win v3
22 loss v4
24 loss v5
7 loss v6 bet next spin hold 4 unit bet
30 bet 11x4 loss -118
10 bet 11x4 loss -162
30 bet 11x4 loss -206
33 bet 11x5 win -49 wait 6 V/losses
36 loss v1
2 win v0
5 loss v1
12 loss v2
14 loss v3
18 loss v4
29 loss v5
11 loss v6 bet next spin hold 5 unit bet
11 bet 11x5 loss -104
11 bet 11x5 loss -159
16 bet 11x5 win -34 wait 6 V/losses
13 loss v1
32 win v0
3 loss v1
4 win v0
12 loss v1
6 loss v2
6 loss v3
11 loss v4
27 loss v5
13 loss v6 bet next spin drop to 4 unit bet
16 bet 11x4 win +66 wait 6 V/losses
30 loss v1
5 loss v2
10 loss v3
35 loss v4
27 loss v5
28 loss v6 bet next spin drop to 3 unit bet
33 bet 11x3 win +141 wait 4 V/losses
18 loss v1
15 win v0
11 loss v1
4 win v0
3 loss v1
32 win v0
12 loss v1
5 loss v2
10 loss v3
5 loss v4 bet next spin drop to 2 unit bet
8 bet 11x2 loss +119
12 bet 11x2 loss +97
36 bet 11x2 loss +75
19 bet 11x3 win +150 wait 6 V/losses
28 loss v1
21 win v0
8 loss v1
5 loss v2
21 win v1
34 loss v2
8 loss v3
9 loss v4
11 loss v5
15 win v4
18 loss v5
30 loss v6 bet next spin hold 3 unit bet
6 bet 11x3 loss +117
18 bet 11x3 loss +84
4 bet 11x3 win +159 wait 4 V/losses
13 loss v1
15 win v0
27 loss v1
24 loss v2
4 win v1
24 loss v1
18 loss v3
2 win v2
10 loss v3
2 win v2
20 loss v3
25 win v2
10 loss v3
11 loss v4 bet next spin drop to 2 unit bet
29 bet 11x2 loss +137
10 bet 11x2 loss +115
32 bet 11x2 win +165 wait 2 V/losses
31 loss v1
12 loss v2 bet next spin drop to 1 unit bet
14 bet 11x1 loss +154
35 bet 11x1 loss +143
25 bet 11x1 win +168 wait 2 V/losses
7 loss v1
24 loss v2 bet next spin hold 1 unit bet
5 bet 11x1 loss +157
6 bet 11x1 loss +146
3 bet 11x1 loss +135
21 bet 11x2 win +185 wait 4 V/losses
9 loss v1
5 loss v2
33 win v1
29 loss v2
9 loss v3
28 loss v4 bet next spin hold 2 unit bet
5 bet 11x2 loss +163
7 bet 11x2 loss +141
Last 2 bets unfinished. Highest profit point = +185 units. Almost got to the +198 unit win goal. :)
:thumbsup:
Each round bet these 11 numbers for 3 attempts, stop on a win.--Skakus
Why not three of those numbers for 11 attempts?
Eleven numbers are so many you might as well bet on an outside dozen.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 04, 09:01 AM 2012
Each round bet these 11 numbers for 3 attempts, stop on a win.--Skakus
Why not three of those numbers for 11 attempts?
Eleven numbers are so many you might as well bet on an outside dozen.
These numbers are barycenter numbers with special voodoo powers.
Anyway, you are welcome to play 3 numbers for 11 attempts, or play outside dozens, though they would be different systems wouldn't they.
This system plays 11 numbers for 3 attempts per stake size.
Hallo!
I,ve played this system like this for fun.
I played the numbers 10 times if i am down i rise with 1 unit if i am up i decrease with 1 unit.
After about 150 spins i was up +300 units.Once i had to rise to 3 units.
I played this in rng at unibet.
Proberly luck i guess!
Cheers!
....phew....this looks like voodoo !!!!
Played this one with TB Wiesbaden
very nice !!! :thumbsup:
Going to play a few more.... to see if voodoo is good.
Ray
Hi rayhd63,
Your chart looks very much like my charts so that's good. It suggests you are playing correctly, or very close to it. :thumbsup:
One thing I think needs improving is the virtual waiting component. I'm working on an improvement to reduce all those flat lines, get us back in the game quicker, and hopefully increase the profits.
I will post what I've got soon.
Cheers.
Hi Skakus,
I think I made a few mistakes with the waiting.... But even so, it would have gone upwards.
It's nice. And I think with tweaks here and there it has potential. Tried another few games with always waiting 3 unhit spins. Even then it looked good. But the DD was higher.....
Have a great day
Ray
Quote from: Skakus on Dec 04, 09:31 AM 2012
These numbers are barycenter numbers with special voodoo powers.
LMFAO!!! Some will never learn...
Quote from: Maan on Dec 06, 07:58 AM 2012
LMFAO!!! Some will never learn...
Hahaha!
Pretty funny eh!
Skakus....how do the special voodoo powers manifest themselves? When you loose a bucket full in the casino, do you grimace and roll around the floor as if some one is sticking pins in your effigy?
(that wasnt a euphemism...I meant little clay doll.)
Turner
I have introduced some FTCT triggers to help reduce the virtual waiting time between bets.
The FTCT triggers are the two stable Lagrange point numbers 11 & 29.
Whenever an FTCT trigger number hits while tallying the virtual losses, stop tallying and start betting the next round from the next spin.
Also, when the FTCT trigger hits and the next bet is a hold, don’t hold, go up 1 unit, then hold for next round unless another FTCT trigger hits then you would go up again, etc.
When the FTCT trigger hits and the next bet is going down, don’t go down, hold for next round unless another FTCT trigger hits then you would hold again, etc.
So as well as ending the virtual wait cycle, the FTCT triggers cause you to hold whenever told to go down, and cause you to go up whenever told to hold.
As well as the ‘F*ck That Cop This’ triggers I have also introduced another virtual wait stopper.
If any of the barycenter numbers hit once whenever waiting for the next bet of 1 unit, stop waiting and start betting the next round from the next spin.
If any of the barycenter numbers hit two times whenever waiting for the next bet of 2 units, stop waiting and start betting the next round from the next spin.
If any of the barycenter numbers hit three times whenever waiting for the next bet of 3 units or more, stop waiting and start betting the next round from the next spin.
So far I have played 17 sessions with these new rules in place.
The first 16 sessions were all winners. Session 17 reached the -1188 unit stop loss. However I continued playing and the system recovered and ended up reaching the +198 win goal.
I will start attaching the session charts
Here's 6 charts
Quote from: Turner on Dec 06, 07:10 PM 2012
Skakus....how do the special voodoo powers manifest themselves? When you lose a bucket full in the casino, do you grimace and roll around the floor as if some one is sticking pins in your effigy?
(that wasn't a euphemism...I meant little clay doll.)
Turner
The numbers are an eight pocket section down one side of the wheel, and a three pocket section on the opposite side of the wheel.
The system premise is that on average the pockets should hit slightly less than 30% of the time.
The rest of the system is set to capatalise on the fluctuations built into the 30% factor.
Oh yeah, and I have a plush toy roulette wheel that I keep with me while playing. The wheel has pins stuck into the 24 numbers that are of no worth to me. 8)
Here's Sam's lunch spins example again using the new virtual stop triggers.
10 v1
1 v0 Barycenter Number (BN) hit 1/1. Bet 1 unit next spin for 3 attemps, stop on win.
25 Bet 11x1 unit win +25 go virtualx2
1 V0 Barycenter Number (BN) hit 1/1. Bet 1 unit next spin for 3 attemps, stop on win.
13 Bet 11x1 unit loss +14
19 Bet 11x1 unit win +39 go virtualx2
20 v1
28 v2
26 Bet 11x1 unit loss +28
34 Bet 11x1 unit loss +17
9 Bet 11x1 unit loss +6
30 Bet 11x2 unit loss -16
30 Bet 11x2 unit loss -38
18 Bet 11x2 unit loss -60
36 Bet 11x3 unit win +15 go virtualx6
1 v0 Barycenter Number (BN) hit 1/3
1 v0 Barycenter Number (BN) hit 2/3
11 FTCT number hit. Hold 3 unit bet next spin, plus 1 unit for FTCT hit = 4 units.
7 Bet 11x4 unit loss -29
15 Bet 11x4 unit win +71 go virtualx6
36 v1
10 v2
30 v3
12 v4
1 v3 (BN) hit 1/3
9 v4
10 v5
3 v6 Start betting next spin. Hold 4 unit bet
34 Bet 11x4 unit loss +27
18 Bet 11x4 unit loss -17
16 Bet 11x4 unit win +83 go virtualx6
31 v1
19 v0 (BN) hit 1/3
26 v1
19 v0 (BN) hit 2/3
1 v0 (BN) hit 3/3 Start betting next spin. Drop to 3 unit bet for 3 attemps, stop on win.
17 Bet 11x3 unit loss +50
20 Bet 11x3 unit loss +17
12 Bet 11x3 unit loss -16
2 Bet 11x4 unit win +84 go virtualx6
3 v1
35 v2
3 v3
36 v4
4 v3 (BN) hit 1/3
1 v2 (BN) hit 2/3
5 v3
10 v4
2 v3 (BN) hit 3/3 Start betting next spin. Hold 4 unit bet for 3 attemps, stop on win.
10 Bet 11x4 unit loss +40
20 Bet 11x4 unit loss -4
3 Bet 11x4 unit loss -48
1 Bet 11x5 unit win +77 go virtualx6
23 v1
29 FTCT number hit. Hold 5 unit bet next spin, plus 1 unit for FTCT hit = 6 units.
6 Bet 11x6 unit loss +11
6 Bet 11x6 unit loss -55
9 Bet 11x6 unit loss -121
33 Bet 11x7 unit win +54 go virtualx6
22 v1
4 v0 (BN) hit 1/3
1 v0 (BN) hit 2/3
16 v0 (BN) hit 3/3 Start betting next spin. Hold 7 unit bet for 3 attemps, stop on win.
10 Bet 11x7 unit loss -23
10 Bet 11x7 unit loss -100
26 Bet 11x7 unit loss -177
2 Bet 11x8 unit win +23 go virtualx6
28 v1
30 v2
15 v1 (BN) hit 1/3
33 v0 (BN) hit 2/3
13 v1
17 v2
21 v1 (BN) hit 3/3 Start betting next spin. Hold 8 unit bet for 3 attemps, stop on win.
2 Bet 11x8 unit win +233 (+198) Target reached. Game over.
:thumbsup:
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Looking over my explanation and examples, this system looks quite complicated.
Well it's not. In fact it is so simple even Orochi's little girl could play it.
This is a dead easy system to learn and play, and it has won 19 out of the last 20 sessions.
Not bad considering you only need to win 6 sessions to pay for 1 lost session.
Good luck with this one, and I'm here to help if you have any questions.
Wheel spread
Table spread.
Remember that ZERO make the wheel not perfect ratio, causing a deflection. Always think that zero is there but don't include it for geometric observation.
Try this "10 numbers":
The 11 number can be the number 20 :thumbsup:
(link:://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7752/ratiowheel.jpg)
Quote from: Orochi on Dec 06, 11:20 PM 2012
Remeber that ZERO make the wheel not perfect ratio, causing a deflection.
Try this "10 numbers":
(link:://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7752/ratiowheel.jpg)
Thanks for your post Orochi.
I think you're right about the zero deflection that is why I have these 11 numbers.
I think the zero makes a wobble at numbers 16,33,1 so i have incuded the zero to counter the wobble and the other 7 numbers to balance out the equation.
If not for the zero the bet would look like this attached image with only 8 numbers. I think you can see it needs the 1,16,0 to geometrically balance out.
Your 10 numbers look interesting too.
Here is an image of my barycenter numbers with the LaGrange point numbers added.
They are the two stable & symmetrical satellite points that trigger the bet back to the barycenter numbers.
Can you see my voodoo doll avatar yet?
;D :o ;D :o
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This system is probably not perfected yet and I will keep developing improvements if I can, but as it is if you can get your head around the drawdowns then this baby is the beast of babylon! Virtually unstoppable!
>:D
This is possibly the last of my tweaks for this cracking good system.
The win goal remains the same at 198 units, but I have increased the stop-loss to 3564 units.
If you’re using a tracker or bot to play then use these figures:
From 0 to -1188, after 3 consecutive lost attacks (that’s 9 lost bets in a row) suspend the betting and wait for one of the barycenter numbers to hit before recommencing the betting from where you left off.
From -1189 to -2376, after 2 consecutive lost attacks (that’s 6 lost bets in a row) suspend the betting and wait for one of the barycenter numbers to hit before recommencing the betting from where you left off.
From -2377 to -3564, after 1 consecutive lost attack (that’s 3 lost bets in a row) suspend the betting and wait for one of the barycenter numbers to hit before recommencing the betting from where you left off.
If you’re playing manually then it would be easier to round off and use these figures:
From 0 to -1200, after 3 consecutive lost attacks (that’s 9 lost bets in a row) suspend the betting and wait for one of the barycenter numbers to hit before recommencing the betting from where you left off.
From -1201 to -2400, after 2 consecutive lost attacks (that’s 6 lost bets in a row) suspend the betting and wait for one of the barycenter numbers to hit before recommencing the betting from where you left off.
From -2401 to -3600, after 1 consecutive lost attack (that’s 3 lost bets in a row) suspend the betting and wait for one of the barycenter numbers to hit before recommencing the betting from where you left off.
Lastly, when you reach the stop-loss always continue or complete any current 3 bet sequence. This means you might end up losing more than the recommended -3564 stop-loss, but it also means you might end up saving the game and going on to a win.
Learn and manage to play this as I have posted and you will be hard pressed to find a better system. If you do find a better system then you have probably found the Holy Grail. :thumbsup:
Skakus, i don't get it. U r making fun of us don't u? about voodoo shmoodo stuff? :wink:
For God's sake bud....Why would the same 11 numbers hit more than the others?
Only if the wheel is biased.
i got 5 special numbers to bet. Try to test it. here is the bet scheme.
Quote from: iggiv on Dec 18, 10:08 PM 2012
Skakus, i don't get it. U r making fun of us don't u? about voodoo shmoodo stuff? :wink:
For God's sake bud....Why would the same 11 numbers hit more than the others?
Only if the wheel is biased.
Yes, the voodoo bit is me having a bit of fun, and not knowing what else to call it.
The numbers don't hit more than the others. I never said they do. But when they do they hit enough to win consistently when the rest of the system is applied.
The voodoo is not just in the numbers. The numbers are only the 1st dimension of this system, there is more than one dimension in operation here. :thumbsup: :-* >:D
The 11 chosen numbers and the two offset trigger numbers are a very good combination for dealer signature and or temporary bias (whatever that is).
The great advantage of finding a steady system using the same numbers is in the ease of use. Playing the same numbers every time makes the betting very practical, with no special thinking required.
Another good thing about this system is that at certain points in the game you can worm hole your way to another time and place then continue from where you left off after waiting the prescribed virtual period from the last hit barycentric number on the marque.
Recommended quantum leap points are, after any win, or after any lost sequence that requires a stall in the betting, which are 9, 6, and 3 losses in a row depending on where you are in the game as per the posted tweak rules.
I’ve been playing this at my local casino on the rapid roulette table with a $1 minimum and have so far gained $1936 from 7 sessions, which was about 15 hours work. :)
Merry Xmas.
Thanks skakus merry xmas also to everyone
Quote from: Skakus on Dec 20, 09:33 PM 2012
Another good thing about this system is that at certain points in the game you can worm hole your way to another time and place then continue from where you left off after waiting the prescribed virtual period from the last hit barycentric number on the marquee.
Recommended quantum leap points are, after any win, or after any lost sequence that requires a stall in the betting, which are 9, 6, and 3 losses in a row depending on where you are in the game as per the posted tweak rules.
I’ve been playing this at my local casino on the rapid roulette table with a $1 minimum and have so far gained $1936 from 7 sessions, which was about 15 hours work. :)
Merry Xmas.
merry xmas Skakus.
did u play flatbet? what units, if not a secret? thanx
I think this may all be gamblers phalus :thumbsup:
Quote from: Turner on Dec 23, 04:54 AM 2012
I think this may all be gamblers phalus :thumbsup:
Oh yeah?
Well how come my bankroll keeps growing upwards like a tree?
[reveal](link:://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr351/skakus/bush.jpg)[/reveal]
yep...pretty much the picture I was expecting to see regarding gamblers phalus...I guess if it had been spelled with 2 l's your picture would most certainly violate some forum rules.
entertaining
Quote from: iggiv on Dec 23, 12:40 AM 2012
merry xmas Skakus.
did u play flatbet? what units, if not a secret? thanks
Hi iggiv.
This system does not flat bet. It is +1 after any 3 losses, then after any 3 losses hold after 1st win only, than -1 on a win.
would american 00 whell also have the numbers or is it too risky?
Quote from: Tomla021 on Dec 26, 07:23 PM 2012
would american 00 whell also have the numbers or is it too risky?
Too risky. You could design something similar but the barycentric numbers would be completely different.
Cheers.
Quote from: Skakus on Dec 18, 09:49 PM 2012
This is possibly the last of my tweaks for this cracking good system.
The win goal remains the same at 198 units, but I have increased the stop-loss to 3564 units.
If you’re using a tracker or bot to play then use these figures:
From 0 to -1188, after 3 consecutive lost attacks (that’s 9 lost bets in a row) suspend the betting and wait for one of the barycenter numbers to hit before recommencing the betting from where you left off.
From -1189 to -2376, after 2 consecutive lost attacks (that’s 6 lost bets in a row) suspend the betting and wait for one of the barycenter numbers to hit before recommencing the betting from where you left off.
From -2377 to -3564, after 1 consecutive lost attack (that’s 3 lost bets in a row) suspend the betting and wait for one of the barycenter numbers to hit before recommencing the betting from where you left off.
If you’re playing manually then it would be easier to round off and use these figures:
From 0 to -1200, after 3 consecutive lost attacks (that’s 9 lost bets in a row) suspend the betting and wait for one of the barycenter numbers to hit before recommencing the betting from where you left off.
From -1201 to -2400, after 2 consecutive lost attacks (that’s 6 lost bets in a row) suspend the betting and wait for one of the barycenter numbers to hit before recommencing the betting from where you left off.
From -2401 to -3600, after 1 consecutive lost attack (that’s 3 lost bets in a row) suspend the betting and wait for one of the barycenter numbers to hit before recommencing the betting from where you left off.
Lastly, when you reach the stop-loss always continue or complete any current 3 bet sequence. This means you might end up losing more than the recommended -3564 stop-loss, but it also means you might end up saving the game and going on to a win.
I'm trying a new stop loss of -2178 units.
I have also dropped the staggered bet suspension and only suspend the betting after 9 lost bets in a row.
I am still completing any 3 bet attack even if it pushes the session over the stop loss limit.
I started a Dublin Bet account with 1000 chips to exclusively test this baby out. No other bets will be made with this account as I don't want to pollute the results.
I'm going to put up some screen shots showing the bank balance for a while, and I might even do one of those Twocatsam redneck videos soon showing the game play.
Here is a screen shot I took yesterday showing the current bank balance.
(link:://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr351/skakus/BBDSdb1w_zpsb89460aa.jpg)
Today's screenshot.
(link:://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr351/skakus/BBDSdb2w_zps342c236a.jpg)
The number selection for this system is based on geometry physics and mass. You could probably move these barycentric coordinates around the wheel as you wish, but I think for practical purposes you should settle on a position you like, then stick to it. It's much easier to remember one set of coordinates for practical play.
The outcomes, staking and money management portion of the system is based on binomial probability, i.e. the discrete probability distribution of the number of successes in a sequence...
(link:://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr351/skakus/BBDStetra2_zps84e30d51.jpg)
(link:://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr351/skakus/BBDStetra1_zpsa5864844.jpg)
Skakus,
How are you determining your stop-loss and stop-win? Why the 198 units?
Just played another session on DB.
(link:://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr351/skakus/BBDSdb3w_zps41462f03.jpg)
Quote from: Wally Gator on Dec 26, 11:20 PM 2012
Skakus,
How are you determining your stop-loss and stop-win? Why the 198 units?
Difficult to explain, but I used a few tables and several input factors, so it became a very specific +198 / -2178.
By all means you could round up and stop on +200 / -2200, or you could create your own entirely original win goals and stop losses.
I like these though.
by the way, just a reminder, stop wins and stop losses are just another form of gambler's fallacy. :thumbsup:
Cheers.
Very impressive Skakus, just keep the good work :thumbsup:
Quote from: Skakus on Dec 06, 10:50 PM 2012
Wheel spread
The wheel spread shape reminds me of a scottish thistle. hope that hasn't given too much of the secret away.
Nothing gets past me
I see dead people
Turner
Quote from: Turner on Dec 27, 04:22 AM 2012
The wheel spread shape reminds me of a scottish thistle. hope that hasn't given too much of the secret away.
Nothing gets past me
I see dead people
Turner
I too see the thistle, Jimmy!
Played another game here's another screenshot. :)
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i am puzzled big time. ::)
my hat is off, Skakus
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Quote from: iggiv on Dec 27, 10:00 AM 2012
i am puzzled big time. ::)
my hat is off, Skakus
:thumbsup:
:)
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You've got my attention and I'm sure a bunch of others......
Hi Wally G.
I’ve laid the whole system out here in this thread, but don’t know if anyone at all has grasped it.
For instance, do you know how to play it from my explanations?
Does anyone even want to know?
What if I put up 100 or 150 spins and see if anyone can play them through and get the same result as myself. Or even better, someone else who is mildly interested put up the 100/150 spins with their results and I will check it?
More examples needed?
I don’t know if there’s that much attention here Wally G, so I’ll just keep playing it and posting the screenshots for a while.
Maybe when the bankroll hits 10G someone might take a look. ;D
Cheers.
Hi Skakus,
Thanks for posting this system. I can not understand why there is so little interest.
I want to give it a try but am not sure i fully understand it.
Please could you give one more example with Sam's lunch spins and using your new rules posted in reply 39.
cheers.
Hi Skakus
I too am interested but I don't get it. Please give another example.
Skakus
I am slow from the get go. Add in the holidays and some other things I'm studying, and I'm even slower. But I am studying your first post.
I printed it out and carry it with me for those times when the wife "parks" me somewhere while she does the shopping thing!!
Sam
EDIT: Skakus, I think I have it well enough to try for a test. If someone/anyone will pick a date from December 1 thru 10 and a table number from 1 thru 4, I will use those numbers.
Sam
Thanks for share your system. This is a test of wiesbaden session. I don't know if i am doing the progression in the right way.
I dont use in this test your FTCT triggers
Regards.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Dec 29, 10:35 AM 2012
Skakus
I am slow from the get go. Add in the holidays and some other things I'm studying, and I'm even slower. But I am studying your first post.
I printed it out and carry it with me for those times when the wife "parks" me somewhere while she does the shopping thing!!
Sam
EDIT: Skakus, I think I have it well enough to try for a test. If someone/anyone will pick a date from December 1 thru 10 and a table number from 1 thru 4, I will use those numbers.
Sam
Hi Sam,
Try 3rd Dec and table 3.
12-3 Table 3
Give me some time.
Sam
Im interested---me personally I think it has something to do with being like a dozen bet,but instead of paying 2-1 it pays more because your picking 11 numbers?
Looks like you have an audience and participants. Hope you play along.
OK, here's the first take.
I will wait for Skakus to check me out before going much further.
Sam
Quote from: chiricahua on Dec 29, 12:08 PM 2012
Thanks for share your system. This is a test of wiesbaden session. I don't know if i am doing the progression in the right way.
I don't use in this test your FTCT triggers
Regards.
Hello chiricahua.
I have attached your session with a small correction near the beginning.
Apart from that small error your game looks correct.
When I get some time I will play your session using the FTCT triggers.
I think you will see a big difference in the final result with the triggers in place.
Cheers, and thanks.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Dec 29, 10:10 PM 2012
OK, here's the first take.
I will wait for Skakus to check me out before going much further.
Sam
Hi Sam, you too have an error or two at the start, but if there were no errors then yes you would be good to go for the next round of 2 unit bets.
Don't play on, I'll post the corrected game soon.
I will attach your session to date with corrections later. I must take the dog to the beach for a few hours now, so I'll try and do it when I come home later tonight.
Do you want me to play the FTCT triggers or not? Maybe later?
Cheers.
Skakus
Take your sack to the beach! :P In my neighborhood I'm known as "Sack-a-Poo Sam" cause I have these little grey sacks on my belt while walking the dogs.
Don't know what FTCT means. I'd rather do it the original way as you posted since that is what I've been reading.
Sam
I played this a little on BV for pennies. Made fifty cents, but I did find my error. Had found it before you posted, but I'll wait for your correction.
Off to bed now and to Church tomorrow to pray for my roulette-playin' soul, but I'll get after it tomorrow afternoon.
Quote from: Shogun on Dec 29, 07:38 AM 2012
Hi Skakus,
Thanks for posting this system. I can not understand why there is so little interest.
I want to give it a try but am not sure i fully understand it.
Please could you give one more example with Sam's lunch spins and using your new rules posted in reply 39.
cheers.
Hi Shogun.
I've already put up another example using sam's lunch spins with all the triggers.
Here it is again:
10 v1
1 v0 Barycenter Number (BN) hit 1/1. Bet 1 unit next spin for 3 attemps, stop on win.
25 Bet 11x1 unit win +25 go virtualx2
1 V0 Barycenter Number (BN) hit 1/1. Bet 1 unit next spin for 3 attemps, stop on win.
13 Bet 11x1 unit loss +14
19 Bet 11x1 unit win +39 go virtualx2
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28 v2
26 Bet 11x1 unit loss +28
34 Bet 11x1 unit loss +17
9 Bet 11x1 unit loss +6
30 Bet 11x2 unit loss -16
30 Bet 11x2 unit loss -38
18 Bet 11x2 unit loss -60
36 Bet 11x3 unit win +15 go virtualx6
1 v0 Barycenter Number (BN) hit 1/3
1 v0 Barycenter Number (BN) hit 2/3
11 FTCT number hit. Hold 3 unit bet next spin, plus 1 unit for FTCT hit = 4 units.
7 Bet 11x4 unit loss -29
15 Bet 11x4 unit win +71 go virtualx6
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1 v3 (BN) hit 1/3
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3 v6 Start betting next spin. Hold 4 unit bet
34 Bet 11x4 unit loss +27
18 Bet 11x4 unit loss -17
16 Bet 11x4 unit win +83 go virtualx6
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19 v0 (BN) hit 1/3
26 v1
19 v0 (BN) hit 2/3
1 v0 (BN) hit 3/3 Start betting next spin. Drop to 3 unit bet for 3 attemps, stop on win.
17 Bet 11x3 unit loss +50
20 Bet 11x3 unit loss +17
12 Bet 11x3 unit loss -16
2 Bet 11x4 unit win +84 go virtualx6
3 v1
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4 v3 (BN) hit 1/3
1 v2 (BN) hit 2/3
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2 v3 (BN) hit 3/3 Start betting next spin. Hold 4 unit bet for 3 attemps, stop on win.
10 Bet 11x4 unit loss +40
20 Bet 11x4 unit loss -4
3 Bet 11x4 unit loss -48
1 Bet 11x5 unit win +77 go virtualx6
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29 FTCT number hit. Hold 5 unit bet next spin, plus 1 unit for FTCT hit = 6 units.
6 Bet 11x6 unit loss +11
6 Bet 11x6 unit loss -55
9 Bet 11x6 unit loss -121
33 Bet 11x7 unit win +54 go virtualx6
22 v1
4 v0 (BN) hit 1/3
1 v0 (BN) hit 2/3
16 v0 (BN) hit 3/3 Start betting next spin. Hold 7 unit bet for 3 attemps, stop on win.
10 Bet 11x7 unit loss -23
10 Bet 11x7 unit loss -100
26 Bet 11x7 unit loss -177
2 Bet 11x8 unit win +23 go virtualx6
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15 v1 (BN) hit 1/3
33 v0 (BN) hit 2/3
13 v1
17 v2
21 v1 (BN) hit 3/3 Start betting next spin. Hold 8 unit bet for 3 attemps, stop on win.
2 Bet 11x8 unit win +233 (+198) Target reached. Game over.
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Quote from: TwoCatSam on Dec 29, 11:57 PM 2012
Don't know what FTCT means. I'd rather do it the original way as you posted since that is what I've been reading.
Sam
F*ck That Cop This.
The tweaks are in replies 13 & 14.
Cheers.
Quote from: Skakus on Dec 29, 11:28 PM 2012
Hello chiricahua.
I have attached your session with a small correction near the beginning.
Apart from that small error your game looks correct.
When I get some time I will play your session using the FTCT triggers.
I think you will see a big difference in the final result with the triggers in place.
Cheers, and thanks.
Thanks to you for the repair.Cheers.
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Skakus
Will you please point out my errors in the Excel sheet?
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Dec 30, 03:32 PM 2012
Skakus
Will you please point out my errors in the Excel sheet?
Sam
Here you go Samster.
OK, here is where I'm lost............
My understanding is you have two net virtual losses.
From the sheet:
1...........virtual win
36.........virtual loss............Do these two not cancel each other out?
15.........virtual win
27.........virtual loss.............Same question
So, at this point there are no net wins or losses as they have cancelled each other.
Where am I going wrong?
Sam
EDIT: RE-read the first post. Are you saying to skip the win if it comes first?
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Dec 30, 04:41 PM 2012
OK, here is where I'm lost............
My understanding is you have two net virtual losses.
From the sheet:
1...........virtual win
36.........virtual loss............Do these two not cancel each other out?
15.........virtual win
27.........virtual loss.............Same question
So, at this point there are no net wins or losses as they have cancelled each other.
Where am I going wrong?
Sam
EDIT: RE-read the first post. Are you saying to skip the win if it comes first?
The 1 came first and you don't go below zero.
So for your example it goes,
1 v win count is 0
36 v loss count is 1
15 v win count is 0
27 v loss count is 1
If it had come out with a loss first then it could be,
36 v loss count is 1
1 v win count is 0
27 v loss count is 1
15 v win count is 0
Just depends on the order.
Thanks, Skakus!
I'm off and running now.
(But there will be more questions! :thumbsup: )
Sam
I have attached chiricahua's session played with the full version system as it stands now.
SEE BELOW.
It is actually a very good example because virtually everything that can happen happened in this session. Everything exept a loss that is. >:D
Cheers.
I've spotted a mistake in the bankroll. I'll fix it and repost.
All fixed, I think.
That’s pretty much it, the whole shebang.
A few point to remember:
This system is designed to play on real single zero wheels.
This system throws up some serious drawdowns so be prepared to go all in and lose the occasional 2178 unit bankroll.
If the game is going bad and it doesn’t feel right, or if it’s going on too long, don’t be afraid to stop and continue from your current level at a later date or on another wheel. I’ve done this a number of times and just waited or backtracked for the relevant virtual loss tally before betting. I've even copped a smaller loss, or a smaller win from games that went too long and just restarted a new game next session. The win-goal/stop-loss is not concrete.
If anyone plays what they believe is a losing session, please post the session numbers in a text file and I will run it through RX to check the accuracy.
Cheers.
FTCT just caught both these zeros. ;D
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Very sorry everyone, I have made a fundamentally important error in chiri's session results.
I forgot to add 1 unit to the bets for the FTCT triggered bets.
The drawdown got bigger but it didn't alter the game outcome by much in the end.
Attached again for accuracy.
Sorry.
Thanks for all off the work!
You're welcome Tomla021.
Happy new year!
By the way, I found another mistake in the session file, but it's not worth fixing because the result is close to indentical, and you should get the idea by now.
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im silly but i still think its the payoff
mucho luck skakus
Quote from: Skakus on Dec 30, 08:43 PM 2012
Very sorry everyone, I have made a fundamentally important error in chiri's session results.
I forgot to add 1 unit to the bets for the FTCT triggered bets.
The drawdown got bigger but it didn't alter the game outcome by much in the end.
Attached again for accuracy.
Sorry.
Thanks for your work.
Happy new year
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Something I should point out is that the progression is plus 1, or minus 1, or hold.
When a lagrange point number hits (11 or 29) during the virtual tracking stage, this triggers a bet next spin, and also adds 1 unit to the bet.
Let’s say you just lost a sequence of three 2 unit bets. Now you go +1 and bet 3 units. Let’s say you then won the 3 unit bet. Now you go virtual and wait for the next bet. So you went +1 and got a winner. Now you must hold at 3 units for the next bet. Now let’s say a lagrange point number hits (11). This means you must bet next spin and add 1 unit. So your hold 3 units becomes +1 to 4 units. Let’s say you won the 4 unit bet. Now you must hold the 4 unit bet. Let’s say you won the next 4 unit bet. Now you must go -1 for a 3 unit bet. Now let’s say a lagrange point number hits (29). This means you must bet next spin and add 1 unit. So your -1 to 3 units becomes hold at 4 units. Let’s say you won the 4 unit bet. Now you must go -1 for a 3 unit bet. Let’s say you won the 3 unit bet. . Now you must go -1 for a 2 unit bet. So on and so forth.
So when either 11 or 29 hit during the virtual tracking it moves the next bet up one stage.
The three stages are;
Plus 1
Hold
Minus 1
Minus 1 becomes a hold, and hold becomes plus 1. You will never start on plus 1 during the virtual tracking. You can only get there if 11 or 29 hits.
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Anyone interested in seeing a few videos of how to play this awsome system?
To start off I will need two sets of actuals, about 300 spins each.
They can come from different people and or different sources, just not rng please.
I need two streams because if the first stream is losing too much I will switch the game to the second stream, which is exactly how I play for real.
I will run the spins through RX. Dublin Bet is too slow for videos, but I will do one later. I might also do a smartlive casino airball video at some point.
So if there is any interest I'll do a video or two so you can learn to play this and make some money!!!
very interested skakus.
i could post up actuals, but not in a link, they'd have to be on this thread, would that be ok?
the spins i use are dublinbet actuals, but are part of a big sample.
cheers.
Hi ewar...
Yes you could put them up on this thread and I will import them into RX.
2 sets of 300 from different parts of your big sample will do.
Thanks.
ok, first sample
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cheers
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there you go skakus, hope that helps.
cheers.
Thank you ewar...
It's weekend here now, which is busy time for me, and it will take me some time to put the videos together but I will do it.
Cheers.
Quote from: Skakus on Jan 04, 02:45 AM 2013
Anyone interested in seeing a few videos of how to play this awsome system?
that would be nice. thank you.
Quote from: Skakus on Jan 04, 02:45 AM 2013
Anyone interested in seeing a few videos of how to play this awsome system?
very interested Skakus
It'll beat those lousy "Chick Flicks" my wife drags me to!!
Yes, we'd love videos.
Thanks..
Sam
All for the details and videos. Thanks Skakus.
Very interesting, Skakus
Wished it worked on American Wheels
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Impressive results.
Sakus do you think its your bet selection or the way you use MM ,thats making this win?
Hi skakus
You have an interesting method here, and congrats on your winnings, i hope they stay up for 1 million spins :)
I dont understand very well why we have to rise the bet after 11 or 29, what is the difference between that bet and the original one?
I mean the advantage of +1 hold...
cheers
Quote from: warrior on Jan 06, 05:09 PM 2013
Sakus do you think its your bet selection or the way you use MM ,that's making this win?
Not sure. I would hope it’s a combination of both.
That said, if you picked any 11 numbers then removed every single condition, and just bet every spin, the MM would probably still win very, very often.
The MM is generally +1 on a win, and -1 on a loss. But after a win that follows any 3 bet loss, hold for 1 attack of 3 bets only or a win within 3, then revert to +1 -1.
Would this win often enough to reverse the house edge? I don’t know, but it would be easy enough to RX the MM and find out.
Anyone willing to do it and post the script or results?
Anyone willing to take bets that no one does? ::)
Cheers.
Quote from: Skakus on Jan 06, 07:54 PM 2013
Not sure. I would hope it’s a combination of both.
That said, if you picked any 11 numbers then removed every single condition, and just bet every spin, the MM would probably still win very, very often.
The MM is generally +1 on a win, and -1 on a loss. But after a win that follows any 3 bet loss, hold for 1 attack of 3 bets only or a win within 3, then revert to +1 -1.
Would this win often enough to reverse the house edge? I don’t know, but it would be easy enough to RX the MM and find out.
Anyone willing to do it and post the script or results?
Anyone willing to take bets that no one does? ::)
Cheers.
Thanks Skakus.
Quote from: Skakus on Jan 04, 02:45 AM 2013
Anyone interested in seeing a few videos of how to play this awsome system?
To start off I will need two sets of actuals, about 300 spins each.
They can come from different people and or different sources, just not rng please.
I need two streams because if the first stream is losing too much I will switch the game to the second stream, which is exactly how I play for real.
I will run the spins through RX. Dublin Bet is too slow for videos, but I will do one later. I might also do a smartlive casino airball video at some point.
So if there is any interest I'll do a video or two so you can learn to play this and make some money!!!
Is this still on the table Skakus? : )
Quote from: probasah on Jan 06, 07:11 PM 2013
I don't understand very well why we have to rise the bet after 11 or 29, what is the difference between that bet and the original one?
I mean the advantage of +1 hold...
The original bet said after a win you must wait for a number of virtual losses, and a greater number of losses as the stakes grew up to 3 units per number and beyond. But each time one of the 11 numbers hits you must cancel out 1 of the virtual losses. Doing it this way made it possible to miss far too many betting opportunities, so it needed correcting.
What I came up with was a way to sometimes get back into the game a bit quicker, while trying to avoid some lengthy loss sequences in the betting.
So I capped the number of virtual wins allowed while in virtual mode for various stake levels. 1 hit @ 1 unit, 2 hits @ 2 units, and 3 hits @ 3 units & beyond.
I also added the two numbers 11 & 29. These were added because they are the two numbers on the single zero wheel that are equidistant from the 11 betting numbers. So when either of these two hit, it means the ball has landed as far away as physically possible from any of the 11 betting numbers. The tweak now predicts a correction back toward the betting numbers. Can’t get any further away so can only get closer.
Basically it is a randomizing factor based on geometrical positioning. Kind of like a rule outside the system rules, to throw some chaos at the wheel.
I like a bit of chaos in my play so I thought, while I’m at it I should also randomize the MM at the same time. So the rule outside the rules for the MM is to also +1 unit whenever either of these two numbers hit.
All this only happens in virtual mode. Both numbers 11 & 29 are ignored at all other times.
Cheers.
Quote from: amk on Jan 06, 08:10 PM 2013
Is this still on the table Skakus? : )
Yes, not too much longer.
Quote from: Skakus on Jan 06, 08:23 PM 2013
Yes, not too much longer.
Looks like you might be referring to my avatar : )
Thanks for sharing your valuable knowledge Skakus.
Hope you will stay around to answer some more questions for a little while longer.
Quote from: Skakus on Jan 06, 08:18 PM 2013
The original bet said after a win you must wait for a number of virtual losses, and a greater number of losses as the stakes grew up to 3 units per number and beyond. But each time one of the 11 numbers hits you must cancel out 1 of the virtual losses. Doing it this way made it possible to miss far too many betting opportunities, so it needed correcting.
What I came up with was a way to sometimes get back into the game a bit quicker, while trying to avoid some lengthy loss sequences in the betting.
So I capped the number of virtual wins allowed while in virtual mode for various stake levels. 1 hit @ 1 unit, 2 hits @ 2 units, and 3 hits @ 3 units & beyond.
I also added the two numbers 11 & 29. These were added because they are the two numbers on the single zero wheel that are equidistant from the 11 betting numbers. So when either of these two hit, it means the ball has landed as far away as physically possible from any of the 11 betting numbers. The tweak now predicts a correction back toward the betting numbers. Can’t get any further away so can only get closer.
Basically it is a randomizing factor based on geometrical positioning. Kind of like a rule outside the system rules, to throw some chaos at the wheel.
I like a bit of chaos in my play so I thought, while I’m at it I should also randomize the MM at the same time. So the rule outside the rules for the MM is to also +1 unit whenever either of these two numbers hit.
All this only happens in virtual mode. Both numbers 11 & 29 are ignored at all other times.
Cheers.
It makes perfect sense, skakus.Thanks for explaining it to me. I have tried your system with the paper and pencil in my hand, the old way lol, its doing quite well so far betting on ,5 chips:) You are one of the few people here that i watch to have given us consistent good bets.
This bet is not for the weak hearts though, as sometimes you are down 800 units or more, but in the long run you recover. Its not an easy bet though as one can mistake a few times tracking- been there done that. You need to be alert and sharp.:)
My only issue is with the progression/ MM (betting 11 numbers with 11 units at -600 :) ), other wise a very very good system overall. I don`t have a tracker for your system right now, to program it would take some time - adding the 11 and 29 numbers +1 hold -1, otherwise i would test your system in more detail. on 100k spins or more.
Regards,
Alex
PS: The Roulette is BEATABLE with inside numbers; I have no doubt about that.
No EC/Dozens or other crap. Think about risking 1 unit to gain 1 unit back or 35 unit back against. That`s my opinion, everyone is entitled to have its own.
Cheers
Quote from: probasah on Jan 06, 10:22 PM 2013
It makes perfect sense, skakus.Thanks for explaining it to me.
Not perfect sense. It’s flawed logic actually, but we are not very good at being random, so how else are we supposed to behave randomly if not with flawed logic?
Quote from: probasah on Jan 06, 10:22 PM 2013This bet is not for the weak hearts though, as sometimes you are down 800 units or more, but in the long run you recover.
Make no mistake; this bet is no English gentleman’s pistol duel at 20 paces. This is a full blown circle the wagons and keep on shooting ‘till all the Indians are dead (no offence meant to indigenous peoples of any region) type bet. If you don’t have enough bullets to finish the fight you are gonna get scalped again and again!
Quote from: probasah on Jan 06, 10:22 PM 2013
Its not an easy bet though as one can mistake a few times tracking- been there done that. You need to be alert and sharp.
I play it at my local casino on airball with 30 seconds to get the bets down, and I do it with pen & paper. Very rarely will I miss a few units, but yes you must be sharp. Anyway I might be able to help here and will show how I track the game in the upcoming videos.
Cheers
LOL Skakus
u have to write a book about roulette man. Maybe u will become as popular as John Patrick. He also writes funny things like that.
First video.
ewar1 (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=PMeXSKipGBo#ws)
Hi Skakus,
excellent !!!! Very nice work there.....
Thanks for your time you put up.
a tracker would be great !!!
Ray
8)
(link:://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr351/skakus/BBDSdb15w_zps1e0dcdf4.jpg)
whoa! :thumbsup:
thanks skakus--enjoy the ride
Would be cool if one day you could actually travel to Dublinbet Skakus and wave at the camera.
That would be a screenshot!
Although it looks like you could go pretty soon already 8)
Skakus
Hope you're enjoying breakfast!! ;D
Now, if I go through the last excel of the chiricauha numbers, will I have the latest tweaks and changes?
Sam
Yes it's all in there, but there is one mistake at row 46. There was a hit there so I should have started a bet next spin. It corrects itself very quickly so just be aware that that bet shoud have started 1 spin earlier and the no. 11 hit at row 47 is ignored.
The only thing not in that xl file is a tweak I play in real life, which is, if after completing a 3 bet string with 11 or more units and I'm down 792 or more units I will stop and pick up the game on another wheel or at another time. It's optional so that's why I haven't bothered posting it... till now.
Cheers.
Question #1
When the Lagrange number comes, do you raise the level of the next bet by one at all times or only when you are holding?
Sam
When 11 or 29 hit in the virtual stage the bet goes up one unit at all times.
It also goes up one stage at all times.
The three stages are up, hold, and down.
The system only goes virtual after any win. This means the next bet after the virtual stage can only ever be holding or going down.
So if the next bet is hold then the Lagrange makes it move to up.
And if the next bet is down then the Lagrange makes it move to hold.
Second video.
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=RMjsauFFOhc (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=RMjsauFFOhc)
Not sure why this one won't embed so just click the link.
Hi Skakus,
when you have a lot of spare time, you mind looking at that session ?
I think that this starts bad. I didnt get it rolling....
Ray
Quote from: rayhd63 on Jan 09, 02:15 AM 2013
Hi Skakus,
when you have a lot of spare time, you mind looking at that session ?
I think that this starts bad. I didn't get it rolling....
Ray
Hi Ray.
You should be +221 units at spin 58.
Hi Skakus,
QuoteYou should be +221 units at spin 58
looks like I goofed up badly there >:(
I watched your video, great great work !!! Compliments :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
What I saw, and what scared me a bit, was when you got about the 11 unit bet, at some point you came down to almost 0 and you held 11 units !!
Wouldn't it be safe to reduce the high units to lets say 2 , 3 or 5 units ?
My thought was, when you are at 11 units and lose 3 sets of 3 strings, the bankroll pretty much goes to the stop loss.
Even so in your video it worked out fine.
Going to see where I made the mistakes in the file I sent you !!!
Thanks
Ray
Skakus
Thanks for the very informative videos.
I have one question: Suppose a person went by the rules in the beginning, without the L number and the "wins and back in"----would this still have a good chance of winning?
I feel the L and the quick back in increases your chances of a loss. Personally, I'd rather go slow and be safer than move more quickly at a greater risk of my tiny bankroll.
Sam
Question #2:
When do you hold or go down? (I've read your explanation a lot.)
111/+222/+3w//=3w//-2
111/+222/+3w//=333/+4w//-3
Is either of above right?
Sam
Quote from: rayhd63 on Jan 09, 05:16 AM 2013
What I saw, and what scared me a bit, was when you got about the 11 unit bet, at some point you came down to almost 0 and you held 11 units !!
Wouldn't it be safe to reduce the high units to lets say 2 , 3 or 5 units ?
My thought was, when you are at 11 units and lose 3 sets of 3 strings, the bankroll pretty much goes to the stop-loss.
Sure you could reduce the units whenever you like. Dropping back to 1 unit would just mean you are starting a new session without reaching the previous target, or taking a small loss. Dropping back to half or so the units might mean hitting the target a bit slower but with a little less risk. So by all means you could study this and come up with your own suitable rules. I’ve thought about it but for now have decided not to reduce. The MM for this system is designed to only ever be several hits away from reaching the target once the units rise up to higher level. Holding the units at a high level even though you are close to hitting the target or not losing much ensures a quick turnaround and win with only a few successful bets. This system is not invincible. It can lose sometimes, but the reasonably large bankroll of 2178 units should be enough to steer you through the wobbly bits. I will go through your session numbers and post another video of the game, but this time I will just play it with no sound and no tracking. When playing this system in RX you should be able to do it all in your head. Only slower, real life games should require tracking.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jan 09, 12:39 PM 2013
Skakus
Thanks for the very informative videos.
I have one question: Suppose a person went by the rules in the beginning, without the L number and the "wins and back in"----would this still have a good chance of winning?
I feel the L and the quick back in increases your chances of a loss. Personally, I'd rather go slow and be safer than move more quickly at a greater risk of my tiny bankroll.
Sam
Yes Sam you could play the original version with very good results. There can be agonizing periods of virtual tracking though, and I can't stand it. The L back in and plus one doesn't really happen that often, and yes it can get a bit scary. It works well enough for me though.
Don't even play this system unless you have at least one bankroll of 2178 units, preferably three.
If you're playing with pennies then you will need $21.78, dimes you need $217.80, and single dollars you need $2178.
Oh yeah, real wheels only, no rng.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jan 09, 01:19 PM 2013
Question #2:
When do you hold or go down? (I've read your explanation a lot.)
111/+222/+3w//=3w//-2
111/+222/+3w//=333/+4w//-3
Is either of above right?
Sam
Top one is right.
Bottom one should end in //=4.
After any loss you go up 1.
After any loss followed by a win you hold.
After any win followed by a win you go down 1.
Here you go rayhd63.
I clicked straight through your game. No sound, no tracking.
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz_QLdRO6HA (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz_QLdRO6HA)
Hey Skakus,
thanks a million....
I added a unit on bet 43 to 8 units , because spin 42 was 11. And to the rule, add 1 unit and bet.
Would that be correct ?!?
So my winning would make 280 units.
Could you check on that ?!?
For clarification :
When beginning a game, we wait for either 2 virtual losses or one virtual win ?
with 1 unit I wait for one virtual win or 2 virtual losses to start betting
with 2 units I wait for two virtual wins or 4 virtual losses .....
with 3 units or more I wait for three virtual wins or 6 virtual losses.....
QuoteAfter any loss you go up 1.
-------- you go up 1 unit after every 3 nonhit spins before a win ?
QuoteAfter any loss followed by a win you hold.
-------- this means , when loosing three or more spins before I win, I hold my units ?
QuoteAfter any win followed by a win you go down 1
--------- go down one unit when win occurs within the first 3 spins ?
Sorry for asking these silly questions, but after that I think I got it.
Thanks again
Ray
skakus. thank you.
do you recommend not to play airball roulette?
did some test with smartlive airball. it went very well.
will test some more and post it.
Quote from: rayhd63 on Jan 09, 05:57 PM 2013
Hey Skakus,
thanks a million....
I added a unit on bet 43 to 8 units , because spin 42 was 11. And to the rule, add 1 unit and bet.
Would that be correct ?!?
So my winning would make 280 units.
Could you check on that ?!?
After the 7 unit win on spin 40 your next bet should be "down to 6" units but 11 hits so you go up a unit and a stage to "hold 7".
For clarification :
When beginning a game, we wait for either 2 virtual losses or one virtual win ?
Yes.
with 1 unit I wait for one virtual win or 2 virtual losses to start betting
with 2 units I wait for two virtual wins or 4 virtual losses .....
with 3 units or more I wait for three virtual wins or 6 virtual losses.....
-------- you go up 1 unit after every 3 nonhit spins before a win ?
-------- this means , when losing three or more spins before I win, I hold my units ?
--------- go down one unit when win occurs within the first 3 spins ?
Yes to all, but don't forget to cancel 1 virtual loss for every 1 virtual win.
Sorry for asking these silly questions, but after that I think I got it.
Thanks again
Ray
Quote from: RFMAXX on Jan 09, 06:14 PM 2013
skakus. thank you.
do you recommend not to play airball roulette?
did some test with smartlive airball. it went very well.
will test some more and post it.
Airball is fine by me.
Quotedon't forget to cancel 1 virtual loss for every 1 virtual win.
vloss1
vloss2
vloss3
vwin1
vloss3
vloss4
vwin2
vloss4
vloss5
vloss6
BET
Would that look right ?!?
Quote from: rayhd63 on Jan 09, 07:10 PM 2013
vloss1
vloss2
vloss3
vwin1
vloss3
vloss4
vwin2
vloss4
vloss5
vloss6
BET
Would that look right ?!?
:thumbsup:
Hi Skakus,
made a little excel file and that's the way I track the BBDS.
Maybe you got time to check it out.
I got +285 at spin 221 !!
Checked it many times, and it looks alright to me.
But I'm sure you find an error and tell me I would have +200 at line 60 or even less.....
Ray
Hi Ray.
You mad a mistake near the start of your session.
Whenever you lose a string of 9 bets in row, you must stop betting and wait for a hit before proceeding to the next level bet. You would then try again for another max of 9 lost bets, etc.
So if you bet 111,222,333 and all lose, you now sit and wait for a hit, then bet 444, etc.
Cheers.
Hi Skakus,
so when I have 9 misses in a row, do I wait for 3 virtual wins or 6 virtual losses ?!?
Ray
Quote from: rayhd63 on Jan 11, 02:12 AM 2013
Hi Skakus,
so when I have 9 misses in a row, do I wait for 3 virtual wins or 6 virtual losses ?!?
Ray
Just one virtual win....yes I know you could have been on it, but sometimes the 9 losses goes on to be 18 or more losses, so best to wait for the correction.
Cheers.
Thanks Skakus,
by now I tested around 30 games and all won, my biggest DD was -1108 !!
Hope more members test this, I think this one could be a long term winner.
Ray
Quote from: rayhd63 on Jan 11, 03:33 AM 2013
I think this one could be a long term winner.
I hope so Ray.
I have an interesting MM tweak I'm working on that might just get this over the line!
A few things to figure out yet, but looking good. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Skakus on Jan 11, 03:50 AM 2013
I hope so Ray.
I have an interesting MM tweak I'm working on that might just get this over the line!
A few things to figure out yet, but looking good. :thumbsup:
hope you share this with us. :D
@rayhd: i am testing smartlive airball and will present the results soon. looks very good so far.
Quotei am testing smartlive airball and will present the results soon. looks very good so far.
The test I have rum where all from TouchBet Roulette. The spin frequency is higher and if my testing keepsthe way it is, then TouchBet is my choice.
I'm anxious to see the MM from Skakus.
Played and tested till my sight starting to disappear :lol:
Till now, this is getting more and more my favourite.
Ray
Skakus
Thank your work.
I have a bit of a problem with the updated spread sheet posted earlier.
I am using that as the latest updated sheet to make sure I understand it correctly.
"chiricahua+session+all+triggers+game(2).xls"
The issue is early on at the start, I just want to make sure I am reading it OK.
18 VL 1
13 VL 0
13 L
3 L
12 L
20 L
2 w at this stage we are - 5
16 VL 1 this i think should have been a virtual win, so should be VL 0 this throws the following out a bit, but continue anyway
8 VL 2
7 VL 3
21 VL 2 * virtual win
17 VL 3
8 VL 4
34 L -22
14 L -22
31 L -22 out total accumulative losses are now -71 -66 from this cycle and -5 from the 1st cycle
3 W this win of 75 leaves us with a profit of 4 not 26.
Would I be correct?
Arthur.
Just watched the videos .... very nice. Exceptional job, Skakus.
yep. waiting for the tweak. :thumbsup:
Hi Nick,
whenever you got time, please have a look at that file !!
My highest was 180 units , so I have not got to my win stop of 198 units
the biggest minus was -3916 units and ended at -2031 units
Ray
Quote from: artattack on Jan 12, 07:53 AM 2013
Skakus
Thank your work.
I have a bit of a problem with the updated spread sheet posted earlier.
I am using that as the latest updated sheet to make sure I understand it correctly.
"chiricahua+session+all+triggers+game(2).xls"
The issue is early on at the start, I just want to make sure I am reading it OK.
18 VL 1
13 VL 0
13 L
3 L
12 L
20 L
2 w at this stage we are - 5
16 VL 1 this i think should have been a virtual win, so should be VL 0 this throws the following out a bit, but continue anyway
8 VL 2
7 VL 3
21 VL 2 * virtual win
17 VL 3
8 VL 4
34 L -22
14 L -22
31 L -22 out total accumulative losses are now -71 -66 from this cycle and -5 from the 1st cycle
3 W this win of 75 leaves us with a profit of 4 not 26.
Would I be correct?
Arthur.
Hi artattack.
I went over the file and noticed a few errors so here it is attached again. Hopefully it's all right now.
It's a bit tricky tracking the game like this. Much easier when actually playing.
Thats great Skakus.
I am pretty sure I am now doing it correctly
So much so I think there is an error at line 46 onwards
15 VL0 * This has triggered our 1 unit bet (I agree with this)
11 here you have it has VL1 but you also show a bet of 22 units.
I think number 11 should be an actual loss and we are only betting 11 units not 22.
I know 11 is one of the "voodoo" numbers ( I like that word) but because we are already betting it has no affect.
I think it should be
15 VL0 * TRIGGER
11 L 11
34 L 11
10 L 11
15 W 22 we have moved to 2 units because we lost the last 3 bets
Also line number 96
The appearance of voodoo number 11 means we increase our bet from 3 to 4
so
28 L 44
14 L 44
30 L 44
22 L 55
33 W 55
Line 118
I do not think you have increased the bet by 1 due to voodoo number 29.
I have not checked any further because I am loosing track.
Again thank you for your effort and sorry about the possible corrections.
Arthur.
Hi again Skakus.
Could I check a possible error in the video that you did for Rays numbers.
We have numebrs
8 VL1
28 VL2
8 L 11
17 L 11
23 L 11
32 w 22
29 voodoo trigger +1
15 W 33 reduce bet by 1 following the win
27 VL 1
35 VL 2
22 VL 3
6 VL 4 this should now be our trigger following 4 VL we are at level 2 units betting
I agree with everything up until the 6
in the video you do not make a bet, but if I am correct because we are at two units, we only need 4 VL and not 6
Quote from: Skakus on Jan 09, 04:31 PM 2013
Here you go rayhd63.
I clicked straight through your game. No sound, no tracking.
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz_QLdRO6HA (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz_QLdRO6HA)
Arthur
Hello Arthur,
this looks right to me. When you have 2 units holding, then start betting on either 2 virtual wins, or 4 virtual losses....
Ray
Quote from: artattack on Jan 13, 06:26 AM 2013
that's great Skakus.
I am pretty sure I am now doing it correctly
So much so I think there is an error at line 46 onwards
15 VL0 * This has triggered our 1 unit bet (I agree with this)
11 here you have it has VL1 but you also show a bet of 22 units.
I think number 11 should be an actual loss and we are only betting 11 units not 22.
I know 11 is one of the "voodoo" numbers ( I like that word) but because we are already betting it has no affect.
I think it should be
15 VL0 * TRIGGER
11 L 11
34 L 11
10 L 11
15 W 22 we have moved to 2 units because we lost the last 3 bets
Also line number 96
The appearance of voodoo number 11 means we increase our bet from 3 to 4
so
28 L 44
14 L 44
30 L 44
22 L 55
33 W 55
Line 118
I do not think you have increased the bet by 1 due to voodoo number 29.
I have not checked any further because I am losing track.
Again thank you for your effort and sorry about the possible corrections.
Arthur.
Hello artattack,
I think you're right about the errors. I'm not very good at tracking in excel like this.
At least you get the idea.
Cheers.
Quote from: artattack on Jan 13, 06:40 AM 2013
Hi again Skakus.
Could I check a possible error in the video that you did for Rays numbers.
We have numebrs
8 VL1
28 VL2
8 L 11
17 L 11
23 L 11
32 w 22
29 voodoo trigger +1
15 W 33 reduce bet by 1 following the win
27 VL 1
35 VL 2
22 VL 3
6 VL 4 this should now be our trigger following 4 VL we are at level 2 units betting
I agree with everything up until the 6
in the video you do not make a bet, but if I am correct because we are at two units, we only need 4 VL and not 6
Arthur
The video is right. You would hold 3 after that win.
Check the other video's and you should see the same thing occur.
When you win on a voodoo number bet you drop back a stage first then a unit if necessary. So if you went up a stage to 3 units you drop back a stage to hold. Hold means hold so you bet 3 units.
If you were going down to 2 units for the next bet and a voodoo trigger hits then you would go up a stage and a unit. So the next bet is hold 3. If that wins then you drop back a stage, so back to down. Down means down so you bet 2 units.
Quote from: rayhd63 on Jan 12, 07:57 PM 2013
Hi Nick,
whenever you got time, please have a look at that file !!
My highest was 180 units , so I have not got to my win stop of 198 units
the biggest minus was -3916 units and ended at -2031 units
Ray
I'll play through the whole set of numbers to see where things go bad, but you should have reached the win goal on spin 107.
(link:://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr351/skakus/rayfw_zps92d2f066.jpg)
O heck, I thought I had it.
Could you perhaps play these number again with comments to explain where I have gone wrong.
Quote
8 VL1
28 VL2
8 L 11
17 L 11
23 L 11
32 w 22 this was a win so we stop betting here and hold at 2 units.
29 voodoo trigger +1 here is our voodoo number we are not betting its only a trigger so we increase to 3 units
15 W 33 reduce bet by 1 following the win here we get a win on 1st spin so I though we reduced the units by one.
in the video 29 is just a trigger and not a winning bet 15 is the winning bet, this is not a voodoo number
27 VL 1
35 VL 2
22 VL 3
6 VL 4 this should now be our trigger following 4 VL we are at level 2 units betting
I agree with everything up until the 6
in the video you do not make a bet, but if I am correct because we are at two units, we only need 4 VL and not 6
Quote from: Skakus on Jan 13, 01:18 PM 2013
The video is right. You would hold 3 after that win.
Check the other video's and you should see the same thing occur.
When you win on a voodoo number bet you drop back a stage first then a unit if necessary. So if you went up a stage to 3 units you drop back a stage to hold. Hold means hold so you bet 3 units.
If you were going down to 2 units for the next bet and a voodoo trigger hits then you would go up a stage and a unit. So the next bet is hold 3. If that wins then you drop back a stage, so back to down. Down means down so you bet 2 units.
Hi Skakus,
QuoteI'll play through the whole set of numbers to see where things go bad, but you should have reached the win goal on spin 107.
here is my excel sheet, and please tell me where I did my mistake !!!!
How is your new MM doing ?!? Any news !?!
On that excel sheet, the way I played, it went down to over -3000 and was thinking , whenever you get to the stopp loss,
start with 1 unit !
Ray
Skakus ?!?
Hi Ray,
In your excel sheet it says start betting after spin 31, but then there are no bets. This is where things begin to go adrift in your session. Could be a bug in your tracker?
I have tested it for many times and It doesn't work... You achieve the 200 units goal many times but other times you just lose and lose :(
I have some sessions in RX
Hello 22andyg93,
can you give me one file with a bad run ?!? I played allot of runs and it looks very good to me.
@ Skakus,
have you tested your new MM you said it looked good. Maybe that will help the large DD.
I'm willing to test it and report. Since I am testing at least 10 games daily, without counting BV and Dublin.
Ray
Yes, here I attach you one. Check it out and tell me!
I got -699 units , but there are only 99 spins ??? I would like to see the rest of them....
To me it still isn't bad, because I have seen many runs like that and picked up very quickly afterwards.
Maybe Skakus could tell you more about it, when he has time.....
Starting today I am playing this system with real money. Every day for one month. Win stop is 198 units and Stoploss -3800 units
Today's winning +210 units after 119 spins
Ray
Quote from: rayhd63 on Jan 17, 05:54 PM 2013
@ Skakus,
have you tested your new MM you said it looked good.
Ray
Hi Ray.
Struggling mate. It will be a while before I post anything new here.
Cheers.
QuoteStruggling mate. It will be a while before I post anything new here.
Hope you found something there :thumbsup:
Till then I will play my daily game at BV.
Ray
Good luck Ray.
-3800? That's a big push! Let's hope you never have to go all in.
I’ve got some good news and some bad news about this system.
The good news is I completely dismantled this system then reconstructed it from the ground up.
As it stands now I don’t think I could squeeze much more out of it. It is much more stable than before, but still the occasional deep DD comes along.
I think I must accept that sometimes the system will fall down a hole, and then be obliged to climb back out.
Lucky thing that all the tests so far suggest that the system has the ability to climb out of any hole that variation and bad dispersion can throw at it.
So the good news is I believe I’ve got a great long term winning system here.
The bad news is I don’t think anyone else but me will ever get their head around it. I posted the original method with a few tweaks and virtually everyone interested struggled to grasp it and play it correctly. That means no one would have a hope in hell of playing now...Guess I'll keep this one for myself for now.
Here are the results of 4000 dublin bet spins. Shaky start, shaky finish, but a very nice result overall. :thumbsup:
(link:://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr351/skakus/BW4000f_zpsfd7e0ec9.jpg)
Hey Skakus,
I played 100 hours on that one , lost real money on that and think no one but me used it that much.
Since you said , you have a new MM on it, I waited for your reply....
So I hope you share it with me , and others , and I am back to testing it...
I had great luck with BV, and as soon as I got to going from 1ct to 2 ct and from 2ct to 3ct all went down !! Maybe just paranoia, but just maybe....
So lets start the testing....
Ray
Hi Ray.
Sorry to hear you lost some money playing the original version.
Seriously, I wouldn't know where to start trying to explain the system now.
Let me try a bit. Originally I posted the barycentric numbers 0.1.2.4.15.16.19.21.25.32.33 with lagrange numbers 11.29. This number society is a positional arrangement on the single zero wheel linked to number 33.
That was the only group of numbers I posted. Now imagine a corresponding positional arrangement for all 37 numbers on the wheel. That’s where the system is now.
The vast majority of bets now are placed on a different group of numbers every betted spin.
I’ve attached the barycentric numbers for the whole wheel. Check it out for a while, and I will try and decide if I can explain how to play.
Cheers.
:thumbsup:
looks much better
Quote from: rayhd63 on Feb 17, 07:40 PM 2013
I had great luck with BV, and as soon as I got to going from 1ct to 2 ct and from 2ct to 3ct all went down !! Maybe just paranoia, but just maybe....
Some people say there is no difference, but just in case, remember this system is all about pocket positions around the wheel, and as such is not designed to play on rng.
Also I would think a safe bankroll for this would be about 3000 chips. So before you go raising your base bet from 1ct to 2ct you should have doubled you 3000 chips to 6000 chips. Even then it is dangerous to raise your base bet at any time. So I would suggest sticking with 1ct until the bankroll reached 12000 chips.
Quote0: 0.5.8.10.16.23.24.26.30.32.33 >> 17.18
2: 1.2.9.14.16.20.21.22.25.31.33 >> 3.11
Thanks for the update, Skakus. So in your Wordfile there are the numbers to bet on.
In the example above we would bet 0.5.8.10.......33 when the 0 hits.
And we would bet 1.2.9.14..........33 when the 2 hits, Correct ?!?
What I don't understand is ">>17.18 or the numbers after ">>"
Ray
These are the numbers to bet on. The last two numbers are the lagrange numbers for each group.
The virtual waiting component of the system remains almost unchanged.
So if the next bet was 1 unit you must wait for 2 misses or 1 hit.
We mostly watch the group of the last number out. Let’s say 0 was the last number out. Now watch the 0 group. Let’s say 26 is the next number out. That’s a hit for the 0 group. Now we bet on the 11 numbers for the 26 group once only. If it wins that bet is finished. If it loses we move to the group of next number out for the next bet.
We mostly watch the group of the last number out. Let’s say 0 was the last number out. Now watch the 0 group. Let’s say 2 is the next number out. That’s a miss for the 0 group. Now watch the 2 group. Let’s say 0 is the next number out. That’s a second miss this time for the 2 group. Now we bet on the 11 numbers for the 0 group once only. If it wins that bet is finished. If it loses we move to the group of next number out for the next bet.
We mostly watch the group of the last number out. Let’s say 0 was the last number out. Now watch the 0 group. Let’s say 2 is the next number out. That’s a miss for the 0 group. Now watch the 2 group. Let’s say 25 is the next number out. That’s a hit for the 2 group. Now we bet on the 11 numbers for the 25 group once only. If it wins that bet is finished. If it loses we move to the group of next number out for the next bet.
We mostly watch the group of the last number out. Let’s say 0 was the last number out. Now watch the 0 group. Let’s say 17 is the next number out. That’s a lagrange number for the 0 group. Now we lock the bet in on the 11 numbers for the 0 group and bet this group up to 9 times, stop on any win.
When betting, the progression for this system remains virtually unchanged. It does have new starting, stopping and resetting conditions, and the units are not increased by lagrange numbers any more.
Hi Skakus,
while doing my tracker, I thought these would be the lagrange numbers. Before reading your last comment, I allready finished my Excel and , done it wrong...
What I did, was allways bet on that number of the outcome. So it is a diffrent bet every time. The only thing I changed was as soon as a lagrange number came, I added 1 unit to it. So I never went more than 2 units. After a win, back to 1 unit. The tracker stopped betting after 6 losses. and after a virtual win, continued betting.
Have a look and maybe you see my mistake, because it looks quite stable... (for now...)
B1,B2,B3....B11 are the numbers to bet on, and LA1,LA2 are the lagrange numbers.
Ray
Nice tracker Ray.
This is not how I play, but if it works and it's practical then there's nothing stopping you from making your own bet selection formula for these number groups.
If you post the numbers in this example I will play them through and see if my way is any better or worse?
Cheers.
OK Skakus,
changed that tracker to keep on betting those numbers till I get a hit.
Have a look if that look right.
There are too games. Have the numbers posted for you to check. SK1 is a dream run, while SK2 :o
Hi Ray.
Are these numbers actuals or RNG?
Hi Skakus,
they are from Wiesbaden Touchbet. So it is not RNG.
Or am I mistaken......
Ray
Thanks Ray.
I think the Wiesbaden Touchbet is real wheels.