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Title: The Juggler
Post by: ignatus on Dec 11, 11:55 AM 2012
I invented my own system for hotnumbers. Flatbetting.

Works very well. +1351 in 600 live spins. (1 unit bets)

The Juggler

1) Always bet the number that appear twice in the 23 spin history until 7 numbers are bet

2) Use notepad write the numbers down in the sequence they appear

3) When a number hit, move it to the latest number

4) When a new number appear twice in the 23 spin history, remove the oldest number in the list of 7 numbers and add it to newest number



Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: rouletteKEY on Dec 11, 12:20 PM 2012
I play a method similar to this except with a couple tweaks....start tracking when you are comfortable...as a number hits for the second time start playing it.  Don't wait for all your numbers to come into play as you may have already missed a win or two and they could have been wins while you were playing just one or two numbers...the best kind of wins.

Go up to 5 numbers (absolute max) and play for 4-5 wins (use your judgement)

You are basically trying to catch a cycle of repeaters, obviously...but if you miss...it can miss badly and you end up with 10 numbers with 2 hits and nothing ever gets the third, which is of course where you win...leaving you wondering or creating rules as to which of the 10 numbers with two hits to play.  Don't try to fight the system, you are likely in a wave of numbers that you are not going to make profitable...bail out.

Normally if it's going to go well it starts out quick and you see drawdowns only in the 10-20 unit range before it gets going with a win or two.  If you have mis-timed the attack you need to stop, take the loss, and start re-tracking 18-24 spins from where you started tracking the last session.  Normally that puts you in a better attacking position.

Don't get greedy and carry this out to try to get that last win.  After the fourth or fifth win (depending on where I am for the session + or -) I play two more spins after that last victory...if it stays hot I get another win or two.  If it cools down I am out of the bet and only gave back 10 units (because I am only betting a max of 5 numbers)

If you are confident in your timing you can also go with a positive progression (a slight one) as you play out the cycle.  It generally works with a flat bet quite well.  Just keep it on a short leash for drawdowns...if it goes poorly and you stick around too long it forces you to start your next session at double the units (I am not suggesting here to try to make it back all in the next session if you go down in flames...I am saying that this method can have some big drawdowns especially if you are going to use 7 numbers and if you don't implement a stop-loss you could have a pretty deep hole to dig out of)  Money management is key to this, but with proper use it can be a very good long-term method to use.

There are alot of little tweaks you can use, by using a positive progression on just the numbers that have paid wins you can really parlay some wins into something special.

Generally including the tracking this is complete in 35-42 spins
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: ignatus on Dec 11, 12:29 PM 2012
rouletteKEY. Interesting  :) Thanks
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 11, 12:46 PM 2012
4) When a new number appear twice in the 23 spin history, remove the oldest number in the list of 7 numbers and add it to newest number--Ignatus

Nice graph...great concept and name The Juggler :)

*Do you need seven numbers? How about three or four?
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: ignatus on Dec 11, 01:03 PM 2012
Thanks proof :)

Well, I think 7 numbers are needed for the frequency of hits.

Playing with 4 numbers the graph will look something like this (see pic - this was playing with 4 hotnumbers)
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: rouletteKEY on Dec 11, 04:07 PM 2012
Just for conversations sake...if you use the stoploss and reset the system to begin 18 spins after the slow start or string of losses as I described earlier...would that take most of the dips out of your 4 number graph for the most part (especially the large dips for sure)? 

I track manually so I don't know how a programmed tracker would have to be coded to handle all that.

But it looks alot like you are taking losing hits in the 10-20 spin range as I described happens in my method.  If you bail out of that bet and cut your losses...the graph may get better.  If you add a unit on a win to the number that hit for a win you don't kill your method and if you really get a hot number you are amped up pretty nicely for a couple bigger hits as well.

Just a thought...as in most methods...it doesn't always work...but it works alot and when it does...it sure covers a bunch of small blips on the radar in a hurry.

As I stated before, the trick to this is money management...you have to identify a losing wave and get out before it consumes too much profit.

You can write rules for this but sometimes experience comes into play a little bit regarding when to attack with higher unit values either to recover from a dip, or to accentuate a surge.

Sometimes a human element is necessary.

My two cents
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: ignatus on Dec 11, 04:22 PM 2012
rouletteKEY. Alright, but I won't play with less than 7 numbers with this method.

+1899 in 800 live-spins, flatbetting.  :D
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: rouletteKEY on Dec 11, 04:33 PM 2012
That looks about right without the added punch of the additional units on the winners and figuring 7 numbers instead of 5.   

Maybe some other players who frequently use 4/5 numbers or less can chime in with their thoughts and experiences.  I am sure that I'm not the only one using a method like that
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: frank.jackson on Dec 11, 04:36 PM 2012
I created account to share with ya that i used to play almost the same as this method an it dunt work in long run.

Frank
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: rouletteKEY on Dec 11, 05:04 PM 2012
I think if you ran it with less numbers you would find it to be about as stable on the downside as your graph shows with your 7 numbers if you implement a stop loss and reboot style of play and an upside with even more punch than you have with seven.

In my play if graphed it would have a decent amount of slow steady growth, a few dips of course, some straight out lateral movement and a few big jumps.  The steady growth usually slightly outpaces the stop loss dips so you generally have a small profit and then a few big surges, which of course is what makes it all worthwhile.

It's not an all or nothing style of play though because you have excellent downward stability when utilizing the stop loss countermeasures...but when the upside kicks in...it's nice.  It's just grinding out everything in-between and getting synched with the flow of the wheel.

I'm old school so its all paper and pen for me...but if you can point me in the direction of your graphing software I might give it a try...thanks
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: ignatus on Dec 11, 05:15 PM 2012
rouletteKEY. Ok, still I don't understand your argument using fewer numbers? Hit rate will be less, also chance for losing streaks will be greater. My method works good using 7 numbers, and the system for selecting hotnumbers....

I'm using Roulette Xtreme for making graphs link:://:.uxsoftware.com/pages/download.html (link:://:.uxsoftware.com/pages/download.html) Trial Version (meny: Report ->Bankroll balancy trend) then I take a screenshot of that, paste in paint (contr +v) then cut the graph etc.. save as jpg. well, you know the rest. It's not hard ;)

Cheers
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: rouletteKEY on Dec 11, 08:47 PM 2012
Ignatus...we are actually very close to being on the same page here.

The argument for less numbers is this...they are better numbers...when we win we only have a couple losing bets and when we lose we aren't going down too fast...we can sustain a longer attack on numbers we feel are better qualified and more likely to give us a better strike rate on a per number basis. 

I could bet 30 numbers on an American wheel and have a great strike rate...only eight chances to lose completely.  But even on a win I have 29 losing bets eating into my margin. 

If a method works great for you go with it...you were very close to a method I have used with considerable success for alot of years...ALOT of YEARS.  I was trying to help you with a tweak from years and years of experience...

Since you post about 60 new methods a month I thought since you were actually close to one that would work, and may even work with your bankroll I would try to help.  Wasn't looking to get into a pissing match...I'll play a max of 5 with a stop loss, knowing that I usually am only playing a few spins with even 5 qualified numbers...you play 7 without a stop loss.  We can compare notes again in a few years...I will still be playing this...you will be on method 42,116.

If I could tweak this down to playing 3 or 4 numbers max I would...just haven't been able to get the triggers right for long runs of success.

You need to hit the hot numbers when they are hot and the cold ones when waking up and I would allocate my money about 80/20 towards the hot...but to play 7 numbers continuously leaves you open to some drawdowns that are potentially large between hot streaks.  Large enough to wipe out the hot streaks.

Every method can look great on an 800 spin trial and your chart looks great...but you haven't seen where 7 numbers goes down in flames yet and if you are overconfident in your method you won't abandon the bet when you need to in order to keep your winnings.  Or worse, when you get your monthly bankroll you will come in on the wrong part of the cycle of numbers and be bust because you don't have the staying power with your bankroll playing 7 numbers to sustain any losing streak whatsoever.

If I may insert something here...You never seem to ask many questions and certainly not what I think may be the right question for you as you learn this game...maybe you have and I haven't seen it because I generally tune out of your posts of late...do you study money management aspects of the game?  Do you ever calculate what kind of bankroll you need for all of your systems in order to give them an honest to gods chance to really win?  At 5 numbers max with a stop loss I don't think you can play with anything less than 200 units, and 300 would sure be alot nicer (don't care if your units are 5 cents or $25).

At 7 numbers max without a stoploss you should probably have a 400 unit or better bankroll.  Am I saying that you need to cover a 400 unit drawdown in one session?  No  But let's say you lose 100 in the first session and another 50 in the second...now you have 250 left of 400...where is your head now?  Where is your confidence?  Can you make good bets now or are you doomed to failure?  These are questions only you can answer and since your posts indicate you don't have much if any real time on a wheel this is where most inexperienced players I see go all in to get it back...sometimes it even works...but most times they get a taste of success just before they lose the rest of it.  I am trying to help you not become that person.

There are lots of people on these forums that have seen and bet on thousands of spins.  My advice may not be worth a cr*p, but there are more people here who may have advice that may be more helpful.  I urge you to ask questions.  I responded to your post because I thought you were actually coming around and I actually saw you asking questions in other threads trying to learn.  I certainly don't have all the answers and my method may go down in flames the first time someone looks at it...nothing wins em all.  But it's been a proven winner for me for a long time and thought maybe it was a foundation you could build on and tweak to make your own.

I'll leave you alone again for awhile now to develop your next 40 winning methods
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: ignatus on Dec 11, 09:25 PM 2012
rouletteKEY. Thanks for your ideas. Well, tweaks are always welcome. But still I cannot agree with argument that playing with less numbers would be better in any way. The fear of loss: Playing with less numbers *increase* the chance of losing streaks. It will not improve anything. Removing 2-3 numbers with this method would only be worse. Hit rate is high playing with seven numbers, and the bet selection is good.

I rather not play any other method than this one, it's flatbetting, no progression, high hitrate, good selection of hotnumbers etc. I do 300-400 more spins tomorrow. I doubt the graph will change to a sudden drop (if that didn't happen for 800 spins already?) :/
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: kevint3 on Dec 11, 09:32 PM 2012
RouletteKey...say you get your 5 number triggers (all have appeared twice) and you are betting on them, then up comes a new number that has hit twice...do you take your bet off that first number that hit twice always updating and maintaining that 5 number bet at all times or do you stick to the first 5 numbers that have hit twice until your stop-loss has been met or you have profited??
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: rouletteKEY on Dec 11, 10:10 PM 2012
I stick with my first 5.

In alot of cases you are either near the end of the run before you start getting a bunch of additional triggers or you have bailed on that run at a stop-loss point.

It seems to come in waves...On a typical winning run I get a couple wins while I'm on 1 or 2 numbers, then a couple more with only 3 or 4 numbers and I am deciding whether to continue for that last win or not when the 5th number comes out in alot of cases.   On the flip side...sometimes you get 5 triggers right away without a win (obviously you are in a trough) and I am out of the bet before I end up with more decisions to make about which to play. 

Once you bail on an attack it's time to decide whether you are tracking back to a start point 18 or 24 spins after the initial tracking for the last run started (I use 18 or 24 because for some other methods I play I track in 6 spin increments) If you have alot of qualified 2 spin winners already without any triples you might want to look at the 24 spin increment.

Money management is crucial in this method.

Obviously everything in between happens too but as long as you are careful on the downside protection and learn your cycles, with patience comes some very big wins that keeps you in the plus.
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: kevint3 on Dec 11, 10:15 PM 2012
Roulette Key.....

Thank you. All very good info.  Am going to add your style method to my arsenal.

Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: soggett on Dec 12, 06:36 AM 2012
I see a lot of interest in repeating numbers
keep your eye out, I'll be releasing a great system soon based on just that (rouletteKEY I hope you will like it as it uses a max of 4 numbers)
it has passed the 10000 spin test ending +8841 units the way I play it

I was also playing more numbers when I first started out - even 10-15 at some point
less is better - you will get to that in time ignatus
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: ignatus on Dec 12, 08:47 AM 2012
+2187 in 1200 live spins.

What more evidence you need? :/

I'm going to eat breakfast then do 300 more spins.
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 12, 08:53 AM 2012
Ignatus do you play the numbers as each one comes in or all seven when you have all seven numbers?
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: Smoczoor on Dec 12, 08:58 AM 2012
Quote+2187 in 1200 live spins.

What method do u play? I ask becouse rouletteKEY post some tweaks...
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: ignatus on Dec 12, 08:58 AM 2012
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 12, 08:53 AM 2012
Ignatus do you play the numbers as each one comes in or all seven when you have all seven numbers?

Proof, In the beginning each one as the come, until seven numbers are bet. Then you got a list in notepad 1 2 3 4 5 6 7...  if 2 hit you move it to the newest so it will be 1 3 4 5 6 7 2... then if a new number 8 appear twice in the 23 spin history you remove the last number and add 8 to the newest:
3 4 5 6 7 2 8... and so on.
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: ignatus on Dec 12, 09:00 AM 2012
Quote from: Smoczoor on Dec 12, 08:58 AM 2012
What method do u play? I ask becouse rouletteKEY post some tweaks...

The Juggler

1) Always bet the number that appear twice in the 23 spin history until 7 numbers are bet

2) Use notepad write the numbers down in the sequence they appear

3) When a number hit, move it to the latest number

4) When a new number appear twice in the 23 spin history, remove the oldest number in the list of 7 numbers and add it to newest number
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: Smoczoor on Dec 12, 09:29 AM 2012
I will test it with 3 x 1000 live spins from my casino and post results. THX for method!!!
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: rouletteKEY on Dec 12, 09:33 AM 2012
Quote from: soggett on Dec 12, 06:36 AM 2012
I see a lot of interest in repeating numbers
keep your eye out, I'll be releasing a great system soon based on just that (rouletteKEY I hope you will like it as it uses a max of 4 numbers)
it has passed the 10000 spin test ending +8841 units the way I play it

I was also playing more numbers when I first started out - even 10-15 at some point
less is better - you will get to that in time ignatus

I will keep an eye out for it, I agree if you are playing inside numbers I think most players are looking for hot numbers...totally with you on less is better    A little patience for a bigger and more sustainable win...it's worth the wait
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: ignatus on Dec 12, 10:24 AM 2012
+3036 in 1500 live spins.
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: Spin4Fun on Dec 12, 03:28 PM 2012
Quote from: ignatus on Dec 12, 10:24 AM 2012
+3036 in 1500 live spins.

on what casino?
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: ignatus on Dec 12, 03:50 PM 2012
Quote from: Spin4Fun on Dec 12, 03:28 PM 2012
on what casino?

I use a list of live spins from Dublinbet posted here on the forum link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10392.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10392.0)
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: MrJ on Dec 12, 11:07 PM 2012
Repeating (or hot) numbers is the KEY guys, trust me. Yes, there are many variations for it.

Ken
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: TwoCatSam on Dec 12, 11:48 PM 2012
Why 23 spins?
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: rouletteKEY on Dec 12, 11:57 PM 2012
Sam, how is your wife doing?  Able to hit you with the one two punch again or still favoring one wing?
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: TwoCatSam on Dec 13, 12:19 AM 2012
Thanks for asking.  She is in rehab three times a week, but she is doing fine.  I did learn one thing through this ordeal:  She can hit as hard with her left hand as her right!!   :girl_to:
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: ignatus on Dec 13, 05:12 AM 2012
MrJ. Thanks. :)

TwoCatSam. Because I use Roulette Xtreme, and it shows 23 spins history.
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: rayhd63 on Dec 13, 06:49 AM 2012
Hi Ignatus,

sorry but I don't realy get it. Tried a few spins and never got going. Especialy my graphs never looked that nice as yours  :(

So to understand, you always bet on 7 numbers that have hit 2 times within 23 spins ?

You are waiting till you have 7 numbers to bet on ?

If, on the 24th spin a new double apears, you delete the first double spin recorded ?

Thanks for clearing this.

Ray
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: ignatus on Dec 13, 07:08 AM 2012
Quote from: rayhd63 on Dec 13, 06:49 AM 2012
Hi Ignatus,

sorry but I don't realy get it. Tried a few spins and never got going. Especialy my graphs never looked that nice as yours  :(

So to understand, you always bet on 7 numbers that have hit 2 times within 23 spins ?

You are waiting till you have 7 numbers to bet on ?

If, on the 24th spin a new double apears, you delete the first double spin recorded ?

Thanks for clearing this.

Ray

"So to understand, you always bet on 7 numbers that have hit 2 times within 23 spins ?" Yes, that's right

"You are waiting till you have 7 numbers to bet on ?" No, I bet them as they come (in the beginning)

"If, on the 24th spin a new double apears, you delete the first double spin recorded ?" Yes

Try more spins. It can take awhile (before the first hit) in the beginning. You *could* wait until seven number hit twice and bet them, but then chances are you miss afew hits. Strange you don't get regular hits? Hope you are not playing on RNG?? I never failed with this method so far, I did 1500 spins.
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: amk on Dec 13, 09:57 AM 2012
Hello ignatus,


First I would like to thank you for sharing this very impressive flat bet system. It looks like it just keeps flowing along.


I want to double check to see if I got every detail.




     1               2              3               4              5              6              7
23 spins    23 spins   23 spins   23 spins   23 spins   23 spins   23 spins   


  1#            1#             1#            1#
                                                   HIT




     4
23 spins

    1#
   HIT




4 now becomes the last group but we continue to bet on this number




When      5         gets a number to hit twice   4   now is removed from the list and we continue on
          23 spins                                          23 spins
(could be group 1 or 3 etc)



When we get to the stage that we  have 7 groups we start to remove the HIT group and add the new group on continually.


Could you show some examples with just groups numbers and a HIT on one of them


For example:  * = HIT


1  2  3  4  5*


5  1  2  3  4 6


5  1  2*  3  4  6


2  1  3  4  6

                                                                 
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: ignatus on Dec 13, 11:48 AM 2012
I was a little worried by rayhd63 statement, so I played live now at DublinBet. Perhaps not a very impressive chart? But point is, I recovered from the negative trend for the first 100 spins. (you always recover from negative trends)...

amk. Thanks... I don't really get your explanation, but I try to explain again..

First, you *could* play this betting on numbers hit twice for the last 10 spins etc (if you're not using Roulette Xtreme), When a number hit twice you write it down in the notepad in the sequence they appear. So, you got 7 numbers hit twice, for the latest 23 or 10 spins; (in notepad) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7. Now, lets say number 3 hits. Then you move it to the latest number in the sequence, so it would look like this:

1 2 4 5 6 7 3

Now, lets say number 4 hit. Then you move number 4 to the latest in the sequence:

1 2 5 6 7 3 4

OK, so now a new number 12 appear twice (in the 10 or 23 spin history). So you remove the oldest number and add it to the latest:

2 5 6 7 3 4 12

Now let's say 5 hits, then you move it to the latest:

2 6 7 3 4 12 5

In that way you will keep on "Juggle" with the numbers!  ;D
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: amk on Dec 13, 12:02 PM 2012
Thanks ignatus,


Would you mind if someone who feels he or she has a good grasp on the method explains it a little?


Could someone who feels they really understand the method explain it for us?




I think I am starting to see it but could use a little more help, visuals would be helpful
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: ignatus on Dec 13, 12:07 PM 2012
Quote from: amk on Dec 13, 12:02 PM 2012
Thanks ignatus,


Would you mind if someone who feels he or she has a good grasp on the method explains it a little?


Could someone who feels they really understand the method explain it for us?




I think I am starting to see it but could use a little more help, visuals would be helpful

It's not very hard. (read the description in the first post)  I can do another example with numbers (it will be a long one) What is it that you don't understand? :/
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: ignatus on Dec 13, 12:47 PM 2012
(bet on the last 10 number hit twice in this example)

34
8
33
16
0
9
15
36
8       ___________8 hit twice (for the last 10 spins). Bet 8. Also write it down in notepad
6
24
5
28
33
7
3
4
26
34
2
36
4    ______________4 hit twice. Bet 4 and 8
0
24
10
8   ______________8 hit. move it to the latest-> 4, 8
13
14
6
13 ______________13 hit twice. Bet 4, 8, 13
6   ______________6 hit twice. Bet 4, 8, 13, 6
20
26
9
16
3
6  ______________6 hit. it's already the latest so no change
26 _____________26 hit twice. Bet is now 4, 8, 13, 6, 26
20 _____________20 hit twice. Bet is now 4, 8, 13, 6, 26, 20
12
15
5
2
3 ______________3 hit twice. (7 numbers are bet) 4,8,13,6,26,20,3
14
2   _____________2 hit twice. Number 4 is removed and 2 is added to latest: 8,13,6,26,20,3,2
18
18 _____________18 hit twice. Number 8 is removed and 18 is added to latest:  13,6,26,20,3,2,18
2  ______________2 hits. It's moved to the latest: 13,6,26,20,3,18,2
11
36
14 ______________14 hit twice. Number 13 is removed and 14 added to latest: 6,26,20,3,2,18,14
25
9
24
5
4
11 ____________11 hit twice. Number 6 is removed and 11 is added to latest: 26,20,3,2,18,14,11
23
12
30
12 ____________12 hits twice. Number 26 is removed and 12 added to latest 20,3,2,18,14,11,12
8
34
13
22
7
5
13 ___________13 hits twice Number 20 is removed and 13 added to latest 3,2,18,14,11,12,13
12  ___________12 hits. it's moved to the latest 3,2,18,14,11,13,12
10
12 ___________ 12 hits. It's already latest so no change.
1
32
18 ___________18 hits. it's moved to the latest 3,2,14,11,13,12,18
5
10 ___________10 hits twice. Number 3 is removed and 10 added to latest: 2,14,11,13,12,18,10
24
11  ___________11 hits. it's moved to latest: 2,14,13,12,18,10,11
18 ____________18 hits. it's moved to latest: 2,14,13,12,10,11,18
17
11 ____________11 hits. it's moved to latest: 2,14,13,12,10,18,11


Hope I got it right, and that you can understand better from this example.  ;)
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: amk on Dec 13, 02:36 PM 2012

Many thanks ignatus. I think I am getting the hang of it.

You could delete replys #34 #36 #37 and this one so that your thread flows nicely.
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 13, 03:44 PM 2012
Well Ignatus you have a system that is effective, easy to remember and can
make a decent profit in a relatively short time.  Congratulations  8)   :thumbsup:   8)

Now, you have to find out what type of wheels it will win on: Euro or
American or both, RNG?  (Not all wheels are easily beaten)
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: ignatus on Dec 13, 04:44 PM 2012
amk. np :) Seems like I can't remove Anything? :/ They took that function away!  ;D

Proof. Thanks. I haven't played it on American wheel or RNG. (RNG doesn't make any sense, so wouldn't recommend that!) I only played on euro live wheel.  :)


I took a nap and slept afew hours, so I will be awake half the night. I'll do another live session now and post the result! bbl! :)
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: ignatus on Dec 13, 07:22 PM 2012
I totally lost my patience with this method. Obviously you must do 200-300 spins before profit. I don't have the time for that. Especially playing live. :/

This was a live session at DublinBet.
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: rouletteKEY on Dec 14, 02:22 AM 2012
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Dec 11, 08:47 PM 2012

Every method can look great on an 800 spin trial and your chart looks great...but you haven't seen where 7 numbers goes down in flames yet and if you are overconfident in your method you won't abandon the bet when you need to in order to keep your winnings.  Or worse, when you get your monthly bankroll you will come in on the wrong part of the cycle of numbers and be bust because you don't have the staying power with your bankroll playing 7 numbers to sustain any losing streak whatsoever.

If I may insert something here...You never seem to ask many questions and certainly not what I think may be the right question for you as you learn this game...maybe you have and I haven't seen it because I generally tune out of your posts of late...do you study money management aspects of the game?  Do you ever calculate what kind of bankroll you need for all of your systems in order to give them an honest to gods chance to really win?  At 5 numbers max with a stop-loss I don't think you can play with anything less than 200 units, and 300 would sure be a lot nicer (don't care if your units are 5 cents or $25).

At 7 numbers max without a stoploss you should probably have a 400 unit or better bankroll.  Am I saying that you need to cover a 400 unit drawdown in one session?  No  But let's say you lose 100 in the first session and another 50 in the second...now you have 250 left of 400...where is your head now?  Where is your confidence?  Can you make good bets now or are you doomed to failure?  These are questions only you can answer and since your posts indicate you don't have much if any real time on a wheel this is where most inexperienced players I see go all in to get it back...sometimes it even works...but most times they get a taste of success just before they lose the rest of it.  I am trying to help you not become that person.

There are lots of people on these forums that have seen and bet on thousands of spins.  My advice may not be worth a cr*p, but there are more people here who may have advice that may be more helpful.  I urge you to ask questions.  I responded to your post because I thought you were actually coming around and I actually saw you asking questions in other threads trying to learn.  I certainly don't have all the answers and my method may go down in flames the first time someone looks at it...nothing wins em all.  But it's been a proven winner for me for a long time and thought maybe it was a foundation you could build on and tweak to make your own.

I'll leave you alone again for awhile now to develop your next 40 winning methods

Holy Cr*p Batman...just call me Nostrafriggindamus...who'd a thunk it at the first turn of adversity we're ready to chuck the system

Just a thought (hint, hint, nudge, nudge)...less numbers...with a stop-loss

Don't let it dig you in too deep

Consider money management strategies for successfully coming out after losing mini-sessions...trust me it works

You don't have to re-invent the wheel so to speak...a little adjustment here and there is all it takes sometimes...focus on a method and really see it through...you're talking again about scattering methods all over the place like people who surrounded me at the table today and left all their money at the casino by scattering chips all over the friggin table.

Focus all that energy in one worthwhile direction...please!

Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: amk on Dec 14, 06:49 AM 2012
ignatus,


I agree with roulettekey on many points. However, I would consider the option of playing with a bot. Yes somedays it might take a longtime to reach your unit goal but the bot is playing for you. 200 300 spins live wheel is a longtime but very possible.


Don't overlook the bot option.
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 14, 09:11 AM 2012
I totally lost my patience with this method. Obviously you must do 200-300 spins before profit. I don't have the time for that. Especially playing live. :/

This was a live session at DublinBet.--Ignatus
   

If it didn't work on one wheel try one of the others *Remember Dublinbet has two live Euro Wheels --and Dublinbet Palace has two live Euro.   

You find the wheel where Juggler is working, then make a bot  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: TwoCatSam on Dec 14, 09:15 AM 2012
I gnat us  (Think about it, ignatus and the rest of ya!)

Hey, catfish, don't be so quick to throw in the towel.  Repeating numbers are one of the ways!  amk is correct about the bot.  The bot is alive and well and Ralph gave it to the world.  All you have to do is pay a scripter to write your system into the bot.

Find someone to write it and then ask for donations.  I'll probably toss in a few skins.

Also, there are some guys who can write excel sheets that make testing a breeze.  You just cut and paste the numbers as I'm doing from Spielbank or use the RNG function.

Ask and ye shall receive---as long as you're willing to share.

TwoCat
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: TwoCatSam on Dec 14, 09:18 AM 2012
You find the wheel where Juggler is working, then make a bot

Proof

I once advanced the idea to winkel that the G.U.T. worked on a deep-pocket wheel but would not work an a John Huxley Starburst.  He rejected the idea.  I seem to have found wheels that "like" a certain system and others that beat it to death.  Have you found this in your travels?

Sam
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: Proofreaders2000 on Dec 14, 09:23 AM 2012
I seem to have found wheels that "like" a certain system and others that beat it to death.  Have you found this in your travels?--Sam

Haven't been to a B&M Casino, but the two wheels I test on are BetPhoenix American and Dublinbet Euro #1.  The toughest wheels I've seen are at Celtic Online Casino.
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: ignatus on Dec 14, 09:23 AM 2012
Well, thank you guys. Perhaps shouldn't give up yet. But im working on Juggler 2 this is betting on three numbers hit and only five numbers. So, you be satisfied?  ;D

See if this works better, i come with description later. OK  ;)

A bot would be nice? Is it possible with automatic play or what? I don't get it. :S
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: TwoCatSam on Dec 14, 09:27 AM 2012
With Ralph's bot for BV, you just set it and go to bed.  It's plays all night.  He has the Magnificent 7 programed in.  It works just pretty darn well.  I'll attach it.

Sam
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: Smoczoor on Dec 14, 09:44 AM 2012
I dont know what to say... I do not want attach any test results of Juggler becouse... I want to make this amazing mind giving us even more (Ignatus).
I said some time ago and i still belive in my words: Ignatus will be soon very good roulette player. He is an ambitious, hard-working and he has huge potential...
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: ignatus on Dec 14, 10:34 AM 2012
Smoczoor. hehe.. thanks!  ;D Well, I worked out a better version now Juggler 2 I will start a new thread give descriptions of this one!

Cheers
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: ignatus on Dec 15, 05:26 PM 2012
All thanks to rouletteKEY and his nagging playing with less numbers!  ;)

+394 in 200 live-spins. Playing with 4 numbers
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: Smoczoor on Dec 15, 06:05 PM 2012
Dear Friend!
If u want to change something in your systems do test with the same numbers!

My test Juggler 1.0 (7 numbers) and Juggler 1.0 (4 numbers) with the same numbers (live Betfair today numbers)

Juggler 1.0 with 7 numbers - highest balance 589, lowest: 465, after 119 spins: 503
Juggler 1.0 with 4 numbers - highest balance 553, lowest: 433, after 120 spins: 461

i don't know what to tweak but i have to sleep with that...
Title: Re: The Juggler
Post by: ignatus on Dec 15, 06:12 PM 2012
Quote from: Smoczoor on Dec 15, 06:05 PM 2012
Dear Friend!
If u want to change something in your systems do test with the same numbers!

My test Juggler 1.0 (7 numbers) and Juggler 1.0 (4 numbers) with the same numbers (live Betfair today numbers)

Juggler 1.0 with 7 numbers - highest balance 589, lowest: 465, after 119 spins: 503
Juggler 1.0 with 4 numbers - highest balance 553, lowest: 433, after 120 spins: 461

i don't know what to tweak but i have to sleep with that...

Well, that pretty much killed my good results!  ;D As I said, when you have these neutral trends, only advice is do more spins... Sometimes it takes more than 200 spins before it starts to climb. See the chart I did 1500 spins. It's a straight positive trend. I don't think you can expect a great result after 100 spins with this strategy. Also, if you get a negative trend it always tend to recover after doing more spins. That's my experience

Cheers