Hello once again.
I have a system that wins on BV NO ZERO, i have won £22,000 in 3 days and they have now suspended my account, (very angry)
I am not on here scamming people, none of that BS,
And to my belief we know that we can't use other people BV accounts otherwise i would just play there's and profit all day everyday!
All i would like to do is have a very trusted member, someone who is very well respected here, To test my bot and prove it wins, and review it.
Than i would like to rent out or sell the bot.
Once again its not a scam its a winning system, but there's no other no zero tables around.
Please message me and only high post respected members and i will let you test my bot
Frank
If BV is losing to much money with no zero roulette they will delete the game.
I think a system that´s only usable in one online casino is useless.
Members
I have offered to provide a fair and balanced test of this man's bot.
I will report.
Sam
Yes TCS can test your bot.
I among others trust TCS when it comes to test and report back and being honest.
The down side is that i already know the results.
My question is how could i or any other member take you seriously.
All members who know this game from the inside to the outside will tell you that all system lose, fail, tank.
There is nothing strange about it.
Thanks, Ego
It will be a lot of fun!
Sam
Still waiting for the bot
TwoCatSam@cox.net
Quote from: ego on Dec 31, 02:54 PM 2012
All members who know this game from the inside to the outside will tell you that all system lose, fail, tank.
There is nothing strange about it.
Ego....
I thought of something the other day.
Do you think that sensible players who uses good MM and common sense, with a logical system have a better chance to be achieving
-2.7% than people who randomly pile chips everywhere and hope for the best.
is this what we are doing by playing in a way that members here would respect? getting as close to -2.7% as we can. in other words, are random players who guess, near a higher %...like -10%.....or are we all at -2.7% no matter what we do.
Turner
Quote from: Turner on Dec 31, 09:06 PM 2012
Do you think that sensible players who uses good MM and common sense, with a logical system have a better chance to be achieving
-2.7% than people who randomly pile chips everywhere and hope for the best.
You're funny Turner! ;D
I would say, chances of serious bad streaks and losses
could be avoided if betting on hotnumbers. Randomly betting can only be good (?) if you have a clever progression, but that may also fail. If I played with real money I would never bet randomly.
I think ego claim roulette will always lose because he haven't won much himself? Otherwise he wouldn't say that. Furthermore he's into sportsbetting, (don't know what system he's playing)
If memory serves me right, Ego does not play but owns a roulette wheel. He has made claims that his eight year-old daughter has an edge over the wheel.
something like that........
Sam
Well TCS, Laurance Scott told in his book that he also succeeded to teach VB his 11 year old kid, and kid manifested the edge.
That isnt so hard with good teacher :thumbsup:
THis can be learned and practiced reasonably fast in home (controled) conditions.
But on contrary finding right conditions and play this in reality is tricky part here. Very tricky part to say true...
Cheers
Drazen
Hi,
Frank! - Impressive profit in just 3 days, did you withdraw the money?
Quote from: frank.jackson on Dec 31, 01:25 PM 2012
Hello once again.
I have a system that wins on BV NO ZERO, i have won £22,000 in 3 days and they have now suspended my account, (very angry)
Well that was pretty s t u p i d wasn't it.
Frank killed the goose that layed the golden egg in three days! ;D
Drazen
I didn't say the girl couldn't do it. I could post some videos of eight year-old guitar players that are hard to believe! Not raggin' on the girl!
I never said he was lying, either. It just strikes me funny that the man does not play roulette but has a wheel. Maybe he will someday when he's confident enough. Maybe his daughter will kill the casinos one day. I hope she does.
From what I know of VB, one has to select a number and then place bets on either side of that number in wheel order in only a few seconds. This is like Rain Man counting into a six-deck shoe. Maybe some can.
Happy New Year to you.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jan 01, 09:26 AM 2013
Drazen
It just strikes me funny that the man does not play roulette but has a wheel. Maybe he will someday when he's confident enough.
Well dear Sam to play VB succesfully it takes lot of time and especialy even more traveling. And he said he is single father.
So he can't leave the little girl and say, listen, daddy has to go few months to live in the casinos all over Europe/world. Plus man has a regular job, and in the end he never wants to jeopardize those two things becasue of gambling. Even succesfull. And I say it would be actualy wrong if things would be different.
He told me and I know he plays in local casino when has free time and does well, so what to ask more then that?
It isnt just go there and take much much money in no time, just like that. Too bad it doesn't go so..
I wish you plenty of healt mr. TCS in this year, the rest will come by itself :)
Cheers
Drazen
Then I guess I misunderstood his post.
Did you get hold of this mythical bot yet Sam?
Bwiz
It is not a myth, my friend. It is up and running on my wife's computer.
This bot was loaned to me in confidence. The programmer installs this on each computer as needed and it cannot be transferred. I don't know how it works. It just places bets.
I will tell if it works or not. That is all I know to tell. Frank knows this as I spelled it out to him exactly.
Stay tuned!
Samster
This'll be interesting...
What kind of bankroll was needed for start up, how many units?
Fun or Real monney play? :ooh:
[edit] Happy new year everyones! :love:
Sam we are waiting for results. You are The Choosen one :) Like Neo in Matrix...
So you just installed the program and don't know anything - sounds strange! Not afraid of virus or Trojans?
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jan 01, 04:54 PM 2013
The programmer installs this on each computer as needed and it cannot be transferred.
the programmer has acces to the computer and change files if needed?
i hope you have the windows recovery disk on your side.
Pretty cool 2Cat.
Hope you will have some stats soon.
Your not using an important computer for this bot?
Just checking, seems to be some concern.
I am using real nickels at BVNZ.
Yes, I trust the guy.
It's a very important computer.
What else..........?
Oh, I've made 40 units.
More as I know it.
Sam
What's the BR Sam?
Well, I had to shut it down!
This puppy starts out making .05 bets and then when some trigger occurs, it starts placing 1 Euro bets. I can see why you need 80 units, but I thought 80 units could be 80 x .05, not 80 x 1.00.
So it boils down to this: Does Sam want risk 80 Euro of his retirement money to prove/disprove this bot?
Singing like Meatloaf: "Lemme think on it! Baby, baby lemme think on it. Lemme think on it; I'll give you an answer in the morning."
Sam
LOL
See my last post!
Sam
HOLD THE FRICKIN' PHONE...........I CAN USE PLAY MONEY!!!
I'll report tomorrow.
Ya got this far Sam, I'll put down $20.
Just need 3 more players and we can cover Sams efforts for us all!
Wondering what Frank is doing?
Don't know what Franks doing Mattias but I got Sams back.
Well, it won't work in play money mode. I'll wait for Frank to respond. He's asleep now, I'm sure.
AMK--you are a gentleman!
Sam
this guy Frank keeps surprising me. I was sure he is a BS-er, but if he really gave his bot to Sam...i am really sorry i thought it was a joke. But i don't believe in 22k.
Sorry but ive sleeping here in the UK,
No i am no bullshitter and i know for fact 100% that Sam will make a profit,
So lets just wait for the results
Frank
Well this is a funny input.
You have a mobile phone with one account that you pay zero to call your friend at home.
You are in the casino and using a headset with your mobile phone.
Your friend at home is sitting with a computer with a roulette bot and wait for you to give him the numbers.
You do and he tell you where to bet.
Well if you had or if it exist a consistently winning roulette bot that would for sure be a good team play.
Its like having a computer with a roulette bot at the roulette table, legally.
The bot is real; I have it; I'm down about 50 Euro as I type.
It is 5:30 my time and I should be asleep. Will I feel like a fool if it tanks? Well, yes and no. If I lose 80 Euro, that won't break me. Don't really want to lose; would like to see something win some time or another! Anyway, if I lose there are no hard feelings. I don't think this man is a scammer or he would not have loaned me the bot knowing full well I would tell the truth either way.
Let's be clear: He did not say I would need five or six bankrolls of 80 Euro; he said I would need 80 Euro...period So if this bird doesn't fly on 80 Euro, I'm done.
On the flip side: It could pull out and make a profit! Dadgummit, iggiv, it could!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jan 02, 06:34 AM 2013
The bot is real; I have it; I'm down about 50 Euro as I type.
It is 5:30 my time and I should be asleep. Will I feel like a fool if it tanks? Well, yes and no. If I lose 80 Euro, that won't break me. Don't really want to lose; would like to see something win some time or another! Anyway, if I lose there are no hard feelings. I don't think this man is a scammer or he would not have loaned me the bot knowing full well I would tell the truth either way.
Let's be clear: He did not say I would need five or six bankrolls of 80 Euro; he said I would need 80 Euro...period So if this bird doesn't fly on 80 Euro, I'm done.
On the flip side: It could pull out and make a profit! Dadgummit, iggiv, it could!
Sam
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I hate to see you risk your own money TCS - lets get this straight, my friendly opinion.
Take a look at this, FJ state he will rent or sell the bot and you are the one to prove if it works or not and that is with your own money.
So what is the conclusion of that if i might ask, you help a sales man or a system seller to say he's product is valid or not valid with your own money.
I am not saying it is a scam, but if he trusth you with he's bot and won 22K then he could give you the bankroll for free and then you could show for others if it is a valid product or not a valid product.
As i see it now he is the only one who benefit from this.
i never said play real mode, he could of played in demo mode,
Just let the results do the talking
Quote from: frank.jackson on Jan 02, 07:11 AM 2013
i never said play real mode, he could of played in demo mode,
Just let the results do the talking
Is playing fun mode the same as real mode ?
I hear many win allot with fun money and nothing in real mode.
So how did you win your 22K ... was it in fun mode ?
If not then i think you should give TCS the bankroll and let us see a real test.
frank you saying the same stuff over and over again. "wait for the results"
TCS is 50 down and has 30 in the bank. do you think the bot is able start a comeback with 30 bucks?
you told us you made 22k real money. you are saying that we can´t lose the bankroll with your system.
you told TCS to start with 80. if the bankroll is gone your bot is defeated.
on this point it is your decision to give him a new bankroll to proof the bot or you accept the facts.
i don't believe in this stuff, but lets wait. Who in his right mind would give away stuff which can win that much?
but first of all i don't believe in bots. there are not consistent methods to beat roulette. except AP of course.
but i think u still can beat it from time to time...not with the bots though...
Quote from: ego on Jan 02, 07:07 AM 2013
I am not saying it is a scam, but if he trusth you with he's bot and won 22K then he could give you the bankroll for free and then you could show for others if it is a valid product or not a valid product.
As i see it now he is the only one who benefit from this.
What he said ^^
Quote from: frank.jackson on Jan 02, 07:11 AM 2013
i never said play real mode, he could of played in demo mode,
Just let the results do the talking
TCS has already said it won't work in play mode.
Quote from: ego on Jan 02, 07:15 AM 2013
Is playing fun mode the same as real mode ?
I hear many win allot with fun money and nothing in real mode.
So how did you win your 22K ... was it in fun mode ?
If not then i think you should give TCS the bankroll and let us see a real test.
What he said again ^^
Cheers
Roughy
Here be the truth:
Bet Voyager locked up right after I posted that last bit. I started with around 92 Euro and now I have around 49 left. I had every intention of letting the bot run to completion.
I will tell you guys this and it's the God's truth: I had the same problem over and over and over when running the Super Roulette bot. I've never had that problem when playing live, and I do it a lot. I did not have that problem when I ran Ralph's bot for well over 10,000 spins. I don't know the answer.
This bot logs in and logs out (or so it seems) every now and then. I thought this might help the situation, but it did not. Perhaps one cycle of the bot ran too long.
Frank, you may ask your programmer as we discussed running it in play mode, but he said this copy of the bot he sent me was hard-wired to run in real money only. Before I set it to run last night at eleven, he sent me another version which was supposed to only switch to .50 instead of 1.00. The first time it tried to switch to .5, it locked up and would do nothing. I tried it twice. I then reinstalled the original (after putting the .50 version in seclusion) and ran the 1.00 version. (I want to explain that further: When you unzip the .RAR file, it places a folder on your desk. So the 1.00 version would not write over the .50 version, I placed it in a folder named ".5 version". Please don't say I did something wrong here as I know I didn't.)
Your programmer has my computer info and I have my wife's permission to use her Windows 7 computer as mine has Vista. If you wish, have him create a bot with the play money version and I will test it. I'm sorry, it's not the money, it's having to ask my contact to put more money in the account for me. I had like hell to be a pest!!
I'll level with you Frank: I don't know if I believe the 22K or not, but I have no animosity toward you over losing 50 Euro. I'm a big kid and I don't cry when I lose. (Well, I usually don't!) I knew full well I could lose when I set the bot and went to bed.
I'd try with only what I have left, but I need that money to work on a system I am testing with hand play.
So what I can truthfully say is this: When I was down 50 Euro BVNZ lost connection. Can't say the bot works or not. Wish I could.
Sam
Hey
I just talked to Frank via Skype. He did offer to send the money to me.
I also talked to the programmer and he sent me a corrected version of the .5 bot. So it is up and running again with a bankroll of 48.12 Euro. This is enough with a .5 bet.
Back when I know something.
Sam
Did not run one hour until I got the message:
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jan 02, 12:44 PM 2013
Did not run one hour until I got the message:
It shouldnt be happening that often!
........and I ran Ralph's bot for over 10,000 spins and never a cut off......in play money.
Can't remember ever being cut of in play money on any bot.
Always cut off when deep in the progression, never when ahead.
I think its BVs website Sam.
I ran a bot on there once, longstory : )
It would cut off at times but the programmer had adapted his bot for this. When it cut off for any reason it would also naturally stop but continue where it left off.
Ofcourse it might have been due to his method that the bot was so effective continuing after a "glitch".
This is still an inherent danger of playing RNG or LIVE wheel online.
There can be glitches just when you are placing a bet, makes you think though.
Frank, could you tell us a little more on what happens behind the scenes so to speak.
Can online casinos cheat us "legally" by just pulling the plug at crucial moments?
They do not have to know the system you are playing, just cut it when high units are being placed.
Just wondering.
most of the casinos don't allow bots. For this basically u can be banned. If u win of course :)
In the rules of casino when u sign up there is usually something that says u r not allowed to use any automatic or computerized means for betting.
so beware.
Quote from: iggiv on Jan 02, 04:41 PM 2013
most of the casinos don't allow bots. For this basically You can be banned. If u win of course :)
In the rules of casino when u sign up there is usually something that says u r not allowed to use any automatic or computerized means for betting.
so beware.
This is ironic iggiv.....
Casinos with no fear in their heart that anybody can beat them longterm are worried about a little old bot.
Maybe they know something we don't : )
ps
I misspelled heart and had to modify it. It actually said "hear".
Never saw that before in the word heart.
Maybe it should be written as" hearit" : )
oh yes so called errors i get alots of them..you press when it says send error report and says error report been send and then shuts the game window and then you have to go again and restart the game brand new game window appears with no betting history...thats how they roll on zero european rng at bv..of course rng must have some kind of a fuse so owners not going to wake up in loses...so best system to beat it has to be you bet on number and it hits in next two spins...so rng does not detect pattern in your betting and progresions are no no ... :thumbsup:
@sam..sam you said you ran bot for 10 000 spins do you have spins recorded,if so can you please upload them and also were they in real money betting or just demo ....thanks
maestro
I do not know how to save spins from Ralph's bot. Anyway they come like this
1,2,3,4,5,
horizontally.
Sam
no probs ....thanks sam :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jan 02, 05:13 PM 2013
maestro
I do not know how to save spins from Ralph's bot. Anyway they come like this
1,2,3,4,5,
horizontally.
Sam
My bot is done so it never use the hard disk, it is lika a browser, working in a sandbox, The way to save the numbers is to select all using keyboard and copy it to clipboard, and then paste into notepad or other program.
Thanks, Ralph.
Will never grasp you guys that are playing on line.
How possibly could you win there when they are
doing such things/it would be as if I bet live on a certain
winning combo,won and the pit boss said;Sorry but you
lost couse our cameras just went blank.
The other thing is that you should be all aware that their ppl.
are here among you.
You have a point luka.
Quote from: ilukan on Jan 03, 03:33 PM 2013
Will never grasp you guys that are playing on line.
How possibly could you win there when they are
doing such things/it would be as if I bet live on a certain
winning combo,won and the pit boss said;Sorry but you
lost couse our cameras just went blank.
The other thing is that you should be all aware that their people.
are here among you.
As long I do not lose, and see any sign for cheating, on line is OK. Some methods just not work BM or live.
How long time will it take to run 10000 spins BM or live? one day on RNG.
Where has Frank gone?????
Right here...
How's the bot going?
BV knows when you are using a bot... so we cant even manange a hour of play without being thrown out...
are you still playing manually?
the system manually is not worth it, as we average 10 units every 2/3000 spins
what bankroll is required to average 10 units every 2/3000 spins? if it is a 'dead cert' then upping the bankroll and bet ratio would make is worth while sitting there manually for that many spins if it's guaranteed...
QuoteBV knows when you are using a bot
Sorry dont agree, can you prove that? why do you think that?
Maybe because of the speed that bets are placed ?
I'll tell you my experience..........BV kicks me off. Maybe it's just they don't like me. Ralph stayed on over three days!! I never get kicked off while playing manually.
While I can't give you a lead pipe guarantee.........when Ralph plays for over three days and 15,000 spins or more---do you really think they believe he's sitting there? No breaks. No sleep. No cat box.
Nope.......they have to know.
Sam
i've read back through the topic and from what i can see from piecing the different posts together, the required bankroll is 80 units to win a guaranteed 10 units every 2000-3000 spins. Therefore, 800 bankroll has a guaranteed win ratio of 100 units every 2000-3000 spins. I don't know how complex the bet selection is bit surely even with the most complicated of selections it's possible to do at least 2 or 3 per minute. Therefore this will take all day and evening to do but from what the OP is saying it will be a guaranteed 100 per day. Yes it will be boring and will take patience....but 100 per day is 100 per day....and if it's as the OP claims....its GUARANTEED?
I do understand where your coming from but, you really would need the best patience, because you might have to wait 10,000 spins until it reaches the 50 units profit, it only y
averages 10 units, doesnt mean you will win that every 2000 spins, in the long run you will,
I am just about to upload another good system, this could be great
Quote from: frank.jackson on Jan 07, 04:19 PM 2013
I do understand where your coming from but, you really would need the best patience, because you might have to wait 10,000 spins until it reaches the 50 units profit, it only y
averages 10 units, doesn't mean you will win that every 2000 spins, in the long run you will,
I am just about to upload another good system, this could be great
ok, i see. have you tested it on zero wheels? why does the no zero make or break the system? if the system is useless now as BV are on to you why not just put it up on the board, maybe someone will be able to tweak it?