Bet 1 unit on the 0/00/2 street.
Bet 1 unit on the 13/14 split.
Bet 1 unit on the 31/32 split.
Bet 1 unit on the 7-12 line.
Bet 1 unit on the 25-30 line.
If you check out the double zero wheel, you'll see that the above 5 bets cover 2 sections of the wheel directly opposite from each other.
This should only be played on a live dealer wheel or an airball machine.
A hit on the 0-00-2 wins 7 units.
A hit on one of the splits wins 13 units.
A hit on one of the lines wins 1 unit.
Now there's a lot of ways we can play this bet. I think one of the safest ways is to only play after a win. Don't play after a loss.
Why? Because if the dealer is in a rhythym, and he/she hits in one of our clusters, there's a possibility that they may spin the ball so that it hits close to the same section of the wheel. Conversely, if he/she hits in one of the sections we're not betting on, there's a slight edge that they'll hit in that section again.
If you want, you can flat bet this. It's an even chance bet because we're covering 19 of the 38 numbers.
I like to play a progression. I start with 1 unit on each spot.
I increase the 2 Line bets by 1 unit each after every full loss. A full loss means I missed on all 19 numbers.
I increase by 1 unit every other full loss on the 0-00-2 bet.
I increase by 1 unit every 5 full losses on the 2 split bets.
(I like this system because I play on an airball machine that has a $1 minimum bet with a $20 maximum bet. The good thing is that it's a quarter machine. That means 4 quarters is the minimum bet you can make. So, I start out with a 5 quarter bet. If I lose, I increase the 2 line bets by a quarter each so now I have 7 quarters bet. As you can see, my progression can go all the way to 80 quarters on the table. That's my buy-in, $20. I've never lost my $20. But, like I've said before, I think my airball machine is set up to be taken advantage of by this system.)
Sometimes we don't fully recover on a hit, in which case you can adjust your bets down but you have to decide how you want to do that. It's a judgment call depending on how close to a new profit the win leaves you. An early hit on the splits or the 0-00-2 bucket gives us a nice profit.
Test it flatbetting 1st. You might be surprised at how well it does.
Since I don't have a single zero wheel to play on, I haven't tried to work out a bet like this for single zero wheels. I don't see why it can't be done though.
GLC
Another thought on the progression is to play with 2 progressions.
The 2 line bets are really a single dozen bet so we can use any single dozen progression like the Penthouse.
And, the 2 splits along with the 0-00-2 pocket are close enough to a line bet that we can use a line bet progression.
GLC
For anyone interested in this system, the 13/14 split should be the 19/20 split.
The 13/14 will work, but the 1 is inside the block of numbers.
It probably doesn't make that much difference in the overall scope of things.
Re-cap:
Bet the 0-00-2; 19/20; 31/32; 7-12; and 25-30. 1 unit on each. 19 numbers covered with 5 units.
GLC
Sometimes we can't see the trees for the forest. All this time I've been missing the best way to play this concept.
If you look at a double zero wheel, you will see that the 7-8-9-10-11-12 line and the 25-26-27-28-29-30 Line make up two solid blocks of numbers directly opposite each other.
So, if we're playing for dealer signature meaning that a dealer or airball machine is spinning in a rhythm, and one of our numbers hits, we can play only 2 units and we'll be betting 12 numbers, or a dozen.
We can play any dozen progression we like. I prefer the penthouse progression which, if you search for it, you can find more than 1 explanation for how it's played.
GLC
Here's a possible system that can be played by expanding this bet.
First attack: Bet 1 unit on the two lines, 7-12 and 25-30 but only after one of these numbers hits. If you win, repeat. If you lose go to Second attack.
Second attack: Bet 1 unit on these four lines 7-12; 13-18; 19-24; 25-30 but only after one of these numbers hits. If you win and the winning number is from our 7-12 or 25-30 lines, return to 1st attack.
If you win and the winning number is not in the 7-12 or 25-30 lines, wait until one of those 12 numbers hits and return to First attack.
Any loss when betting the four lines, ends that attack and you wait until you get a hit in the 2 lines to replay the First attack.
Any time you lose the First attack and the Second attack, increase your bets by +1.
Any time we get ahead by 3 First attack bets, we reduce our bet size by -1 unit.
GLC
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Quote from: GLC on Jan 14, 07:32 PM 2013
Here's a possible system that can be played by expanding this bet.
First attack: Bet 1 unit on the two lines, 7-12 and 25-30 but only after one of these numbers hits. If you win, repeat. If you lose go to Second attack.
Second attack: Bet 1 unit on these four lines 7-12; 13-18; 19-24; 25-30 but only after one of these numbers hits. If you win and the winning number is from our 7-12 or 25-30 lines, return to 1st attack.
If you win and the winning number is not in the 7-12 or 25-30 lines, wait until one of those 12 numbers hits and return to First attack.
Any loss when betting the four lines, ends that attack and you wait until you get a hit in the 2 lines to replay the First attack.
Any time you lose the First attack and the Second attack, increase your bets by +1.
Any time we get ahead by 2 First attack bets, we reduce our bet size by -1 unit.
GLC
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Quote from: GLC on Jan 14, 03:11 PM 2013
For anyone interested in this system, the 13/14 split should be the 19/20 split.
The 13/14 will work, but the 1 is inside the block of numbers.
It probably doesn't make that much difference in the overall scope of things.
Re-cap:
Bet the 0-00-2; 19/20; 31/32; 7-12; and 25-30. 1 unit on each. 19 numbers covered with 5 units.
GLC
I am interested and now that my Packers lost Saturday night I have all kinds of time ...LOL... I am headed down to the casino tonight so I will do some observing with this :) Great stuff!
Quote from: Chauncy47 on Jan 14, 08:57 PM 2013
I am interested and now that my Packers lost Saturday night I have all kinds of time ...LoL... I am headed down to the casino tonight so I will do some observing with this :) Great stuff!
47,
The system is doing well using the progression, but I'm also ahead playing the same numbers with a flat bet. I wouldn't have won nearly as much, but almost no draw downs to speak of. Limited testing/playing though. I just noticed this last tweak today so I haven't had a chance to test it. I don't see why it wouldn't work as well.
I don't know if this system can be adapted to a single zero wheel. If it works on our double zero wheel, it could be the one thing that gives us a reason to smile.
stiff patterns never work on a long run, period. Sorry, buddy.
I was wondering when you'd show up Iggiv. I appreciate your perspective. Maybe I'm a little excited because my airball machine hits all the numbers in the right proportion, but it just might hit them in clusters enough to give us a little edge. Please let me revel in my insanity for a while. When it tanks, I'll tip my hat your way.
Having said that. Back to Narnia.
If you want to play this on RNG, you might try waiting for a couple of losses as a trigger to bet. Since there can be no dealer signature, that's probably a better way to play.
GLC
P.S. In light of Iggiv's statement, I must again stress that this is not presented as a long term winner, just a better way to risk your money at the casino than, let's say, playing Keno. Remember the fundamental axiom of gambling. "Never risk money you can't afford to lose." I like to make it more personal. If it would upset your wife for you to tell her how much you lost, that's too much!
I never really fully understood the whole "long term" / "short term" comparison. What does either of those really mean? Is there a time frame by definition attached to either in the world of roulette? Perhaps its how I define it that means the most.
One final observation, til the next one.
When we bet the numbers 7-30 on the double zero wheel, we cover two sets of 6 consecutive numbers directly across from each other and we also cover every other number on the rest of the wheel. We almost. The 1-00 and the 2-0 are the only sets of numbers not covered in those 4 lines that are next to each other.
If I were going to make a static bet, I'd bet 1 unit on the 7-12 line, 1 unit on the 25-30 line and 1 unit on the middle dozen.
That pays 3 units if you hit the 7-12 line or the 25-30 line and breaks even if you hit the middle dozen.
Or, bet 1 unit on each of the 4 lines which pays 2 units for every hit. That's how I would play it since I have to bet 4 quarters as a minimum on my roulette wheel. That's the equivalent of a 2 dozen bet but for a static bet, I think it's way superior to betting the 1 & 2 dozen or the 2 & 3 dozen or the 1 & 3 dozen.
I think we've got a good bet, so, a good trigger, a good progression, a good win target, a good stop loss, a good lucky streak equals a good system. Right? :-\
there is no exact time frame, but let's put it that way. This may work for a certain wheel long term if the wheel is biased. But for an average non-biased wheel it may work for a few days even a couple of weeks maybe. Maybe even a month or two. But after that period of time certainly on most of wheels this pattern will start losing. but if u gonna use this patterns on a few wheels, it will start losing pretty soon i guess.
u can test it yourself.
that's the very nature of roulette. stiff patterns always lose. as long as u start using the same pattern consistently roulette kills it pretty soon. But sometimes u r lucky and it happens not very soon, but after a while. Sometimes u may get a biased wheel...Many things can happen SOMETIMES. but we are talking about different wheels and long periods of time, right? No way it is gonna work, my friends.
i mean i will be happy for u if u win. I don't mind if GLC wins lots of money with it. I just don't believe in it. And I urge him and other guys who will use it on real wheels -- BE CAUTIOUS and prepared to lose. Dont think u got
a winning method.
Quote from: Chauncy47 on Jan 14, 09:36 PM 2013
I never really fully understood the whole "long term" / "short term" comparison. What does either of those really mean? Is there a time frame by definition attached to either in the world of roulette? Perhaps its how I define it that means the most.
played the two lines 7-12 / 25-30 at the casino in fort eirie racino and had those two lines sleep for 23 spins in a row. 00 zero airball machine beware and dont get too agressive. GJ.
Quote from: deepred on Jan 15, 12:53 AM 2013
played the two lines 7-12 / 25-30 at the casino in fort eirie racino and had those two lines sleep for 23 spins in a row. 00 zero airball machine beware and don't get too agressive. GJ.
Good advice, GJ. The strangest things can happen at any time. We all know a dozen can sleep 30 plus times in a row. Sounds like you weren't playing the trigger of waiting for one of the numbers to hit before betting for a repeat in one of the sectors. That would have meant you only lost 1 bet.
Just like any other method played, I have my win/loss targets and this is just another great method that I can use while charting tables. Last night just happended to work out ... while charting a few tables one did hit the trigger twice ( I must admit that I jumped in late and let one spin slip me by) ... but hit the wonderfull 00 :) ... and so I was able to take my gain and move on. I really enjoy methods like this to keep in my hip pocket becasue they are so easy to chart and it gives me more opportunities throughout the night to jump in and bet while waiting for other triggers.
u know, if this is one of many approaches, that's OK. but if play it too much, u will lose. At the beginning many methods look like winners. Again, roulette kills all consistent patterns. So if u use it once in a while together
with other stuff, then it is not a consistent pattern anymore. It's just one of many patterns u use. Thus having more chances to win.
Quote from: iggiv on Jan 15, 12:00 PM 2013
You know, if this is one of many approaches, that's OK. but if play it too much, u will lose. At the beginning many methods look like winners. Again, roulette kills all consistent patterns. So if u use it once in a while together
with other stuff, then it is not a consistent pattern anymore. It's just one of many patterns u use. Thus having more chances to win.
I agree ... that a fair statement.
Here's another observation.
If we look at 7-12 and 25-30 we have our two 6 number blocks opposite each other.
The 13-24 numbers are scattered between the 2 blocks spaced every other number.
That means the 1-6 and 31-36 lines make up the other numbers and they're scattered every other number.
So, we could bet 1 unit on the 1st dozen and 1 unit on the 3rd dozen and it would be the same as betting 1 unit on the 7-12, 1 unit on the 13-18, 1 unit on the 19-24 and 1 unit on the 25-30. That's 2 units bet vs 4 units bet for coverage of the same number of numbers.
This is interesting because it means we can use a trigger and only have to bet 2 units to cover the 24 numbers. I'm thinking of using the numbers 7-12 and 25-30 as our trigger numbers because, remember, this idea is built on dealer signature/airball rhythm. If we use these 12 numbers as triggers, and bet the 1st and 3rd dozens, we're hoping for a repeat in the two 6 number blocks but we also have a hedge to our bet of hitting 1 of the other 12 numbers that are evenly spaced in between the solid blocks of numbers.
As long as we're hitting on the 7-12 and 25-30 lines, we continue to bet the 1st and 3rd dozens. If we hit on a number from the 1-6 and 31-36 lines, we don't bet the next spin because the dealer signature would put us back in the danger zones. And the same thing if we hit in the 2nd dozen, we don't bet because we're in the danger zone.
The only reason to use the 1 and 6 lines instead of the 3 and 4 lines is because we can cover them and the 2 & 5 lines with 2 units instead of 4 units. This really makes a difference if one of the zeros hits. Much better to only lose 2 units instead of 4 units.
Granted all this rationale is bogus if there's no such thing as dealer signature or a biased airball machine.
I we'll each have to decide. I guess I'm only talking to about 10 members since everybody else in the world has access to single zero wheels.
GLC
Sometimes I feel like a total ditz.
I just realized that if we're looking for blocks of numbers to play hoping for dealer signature, we could play the 1, 3, 4, 6 lines and have 2 solid blocks of 12 numbers each opposite each other. Okay, so we have to play 4 units, but we get 2 chunks of the wheel that are twice as large as the 2 & 5 lines.
I have to take a break. There's too many options going on here.
I'm thinking of using numbers from the 2 & 5 lines as a trigger to bet the 1st and 3rd dozens at 1 unit each.
And, a number from the 1,3,4 & 6 lines as a trigger to bet these 4 lines at 1 unit each.
I'm thinking a flat bet makes the most sense or we could have 2 progression lines. One for the 2 dozens and 1 for the 4 lines.
Or, just 1 progression line and bet the 1,2,5,6 lines at 1 unit each or the 1,3,4,6 lines at 1 unit each.
GLC
Why would you ever play double zero roulette and give the casino all that advantage. Sure, if it is the only thing you can play if you live in the states and don't have internet access then maybe for the fun of it. Or if you want to bet millions in vegas, then I can understand it. But systems to beat over 7% advantage long term?
5.4%, not 7%.
that's a difference of 2.7% with Еuropean roulette wheel. this is not too much difference if u really can beat the wheel.
Dear GLC,
I guess I am one of those 10 members and I certainly appreciate the 00 wheel Ideas !! P.S. Di you get a chance to read my reply to you on " (a complete street within 12) " ?
If you get a chance please take a look !!
Thanks,
Roulette Star AKA (Good Karma)
P.S. GLC, What kind of air ball machine do you play ? EG: Roulette Revolution, Organic, Alpha street, etc. ??
Thanks again !
I'm one of the ten; I'd love to beat the 00 wheel. Wally Gator's "The Gator" is pretty salty.