I urge you to give this a whirl guys.
We play the double streets. Number them 1-6
We bet after 2 spins each time. Every time, we bet 3 double streets, meaning in effect it is an EC bet.
Here are the selections:
1,3 <here notice there are 2 odd numbered DS, so bet for DS 2,4,6
2,6 < again two in a row, this time even numbers, so bet 1,3,5
3,4 < bet against odd
6,1 < bet against even
So you see, each line of 3, we are betting against certain patterns based on the odd/even nbera of the DS's.
It is a very consistent non volatile bet, evenly spread between wins and losses. Haven't had any long runs of either so far, which bodes well for an EC bet.
Some more selections in case of confusion
1,1 < bet even (2,4,6)
5,4 < bet even
6,2 < bet odd
2,5 < bet odd etc etc
Good luck
BW
Hi BW,
Sorry - am still a little confused...
Can you provide an actual sample game?
Flatbet or progression?
Many thanks for posting and hope it works good!
A.
Hi A,
Basically note the double streets in terms of odd and even
1,3,5 are the three odd double streets
2,4,6 are the three even ones
Based on this, we can determine how to bet after two initial spins
After 2 of same, bet opposite such as 2,2 - bet odd
After a pair of chops, bet for a break in the chops such as 1,6 - bet even
Here's a random.org sample
6 6 3 win
3 5 3 loss
4 6 1 win
6 4 4 loss
3 3 6 win
3 1 2 win
3 5 6 win
2 6 2 loss
2 2 4 loss
2 1 1 win
2 2 4 loss
6 3 6 loss
3 6 6 win
2 6 5 win
3 5 4 win
1 1 2 win
5 3 2 win
5 1 4 win
6 2 4 loss
4 6 3 win
3 1 6 win
6 4 2 loss
4 1 2 loss
6 1 1 win
Thank you - I got it now.
R u flatbetting or what?
Just been using fibo to start with.
There's so many progressions for ECs but only mild one needed
here as the wins seem to want to cooperate with the losses
Okay. Maybe I'll try with guetting progression
link:://:.win-maxx.com/basics/basics03.html (link:://:.win-maxx.com/basics/basics03.html)
A.
Great, good luck in your tests A - feed back when you can
The following is a tough session, but note still that the longest losing streak is just 4
3 5 3 L
6 1 6 L
6 3 6 L
1 2 4 W
5 1 3 L
5 2 5 L
2 1 1 W
1 1 1 L
6 4 5 W
4 6 1 W
6 1 4 L
3 4 6 W
6 4 6 L
6 2 5 W
6 1 4 L
4 6 6 L
5 5 5 L
3 4 5 L
1 2 2 W
1 5 6 W
6 6 6 L
4 6 3 W
5 1 3 L
5 5 3 L
1 5 1 L
5 5 1 L
4 5 5 W
2 5 3 W
5 4 4 W
3 1 5 L
5 6 5 L
2 3 1 W
2 1 4 L
Hello . . .
Testing out new systems can be tiresome.
I have attached a RNG Excel Tester for this system. It should make testing a lot faster and easier. It uses Excel's RNG.
You can set any Profit Target or Stop Loss you want to try.
You can also set any negative progression you want to try. It is currently set for Fibo.
If you clear Column B, you can then enter numbers manually or import them.
Enjoy . . .
Nick
Nick, thankyou, you are most excel-lent! Haha get it -
The tumble weed is here
MULTIPLY GUETTING UNITS BY 3 TO BE PLACED ON LINES:
Amounts for levels
3
4.5, 6, 9
12, 18, 24,
30, 45, 60
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Session 1
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6-6--4 L-3 -3
6-3--2 W+3 +0
3-4--1 L-3 -3
4-5--1 W+3 +0
5-2--6 W+3 +3
6-5--6 L-4.5 -1.5
4-3--2 L-3 -4.5
6-2--5 W+3 -1.5
0
4-4--5 W+3 +1.5
6-6--1 W+4.5 +6
3-6--6 W+4.5 +10.5
2-3--1 W+6 +16.5
6-6--1 W+6 +22.5
5-1--6 W+9 +31.5
1-6--4 W+9 +40.5
5-5--6 W+12 +52.5
6-4--2 L-12 +40.5
5-2--2 W+12 +52.5
4-2--3 W+12 +64.5
0
1-3--6 W+18 +82.5
3-3--4 W+18 +100.5
6-1--2 W+24 +124.5
3-1--6 W+24 +148.5
6-5--5 W+30 +178.5
4-1--5 W+30 +208.5
3-5--3 L-45 +163.5
Stopped here for refreshment.
I was using 20p units at SLCasino.
163.5 x 2 = £32.70 profit @ 20p units over total 80 spins.
Possibly fortuitous opening but quite impressive strike rate this session.
Here is YOUR last posted session Buffalo:
3 5 3 L -3
6 1 6 L -6
6 3 6 L -9
1 2 4 W -6
5 1 3 L -9
5 2 5 L -12
2 1 1 W -9
1 1 1 L -12
6 4 5 W -9
4 6 1 W -6
6 1 4 L -10.5
3 4 6 W -7.5
6 4 6 L -10.5
6 2 5 W -7.5
6 1 4 L -10.5
4 6 6 L -13.5
5 5 5 L -16.5
3 4 5 L -19.5
1 2 2 W -16.5
1 5 6 W -13.5
6 6 6 L -18
4 6 3 W -15
5 1 3 L -18
5 5 3 L -21
1 5 1 L -24
5 5 1 L -27
4 5 5 W -24
2 5 3 W -21
5 4 4 W -16.5
3 1 5 L -21
5 6 5 L -25.5
2 3 1 W -22.5
2 1 4 L -25.5
Lose £5.10p on your session with Guetting....
A.
Thanks for testing Atlantis.
Hopefully you see the potential in this. I think carry on with using the guetting for now and see where it goes.
BW
Another 100 spins, and tested 300 earlier today. Still can't seem to generate more than four losses.
Looking good for a EC method
And another 100 -Longest losing streak was 3
1 1 1 L
1 1 2 W
6 1 5 W
1 5 4 W
3 3 3 L
2 3 6 L
4 4 3 W
6 1 4 L
1 5 4 W
3 6 4 W
3 6 3 L
5 2 2 W
2 6 3 W
1 6 5 L
6 6 1 W
6 5 2 L
2 3 6 L
6 6 5 W
4 4 1 W
6 1 6 L
4 6 2 L
4 4 1 W
6 4 1 W
4 2 2 L
6 6 4 L
1 4 3 L
1 5 4 W
1 6 2 W
3 2 6 W
2 5 2 L
2 2 5 W
5 5 6 W
2 4 6 L
Nick is sharper than my wife's tongue!
BW, If 1-2-3 street is number 1 and 4-5-6 street is number 2, then continuing down the table layout, all the odd number streets have 2 odd numbers in them and all the even numbered streets have 2 even numbers in them? Maybe your system works better with Streets! :lol:
GLC
@ Ignatus
I found a loss from 10 in a streak in Perm Wiesbaden.
ludo8400
Quote from: ludo8400 on Jan 29, 03:38 AM 2013
@ Ignatus
I found a loss from 10 in a streak in Perm Wiesbaden.
ludo8400
Ludo
Are you talking about ignatus's system or mine?
Cheers
BW
Quote from: GLC on Jan 28, 09:39 PM 2013
BW, If 1-2-3 street is number 1 and 4-5-6 street is number 2, then continuing down the table layout, all the odd number streets have 2 odd numbers in them and all the even numbered streets have 2 even numbers in them? Maybe your system works better with Streets! :LoL:
GLC
Hi GLC
the odd numbers here are only represented by the DS number 1-6
1,3,5 being the odd numbered DS
2,4,6 being even
Therefore the pocket numbers aren't really representative in this system
You could do it with streets but I've found the DS to be easier to track
@ buffalowizard (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=profile;u=88)
I tested it yours way buffalowizard
Ludo8400
Thanks Ludo,
I certainly not under any illusions that this is infallible. It is still the least volatile EC bet I have found
What are, do you think, the reasons for this method not seeming to throw up long runs of losses.
After all it all boils down to an even chance bet.
If we were playing red or black we would soon see long runs of one colour that would destroy us.
But I tested this last night and didn't go past three losses in a row.
Admitted for only a couple of hours.
Do you reckon a long losing sequence of say 12 is less likely than if we were playing the layout even chance bets....or are we overdue a bad run?
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jan 28, 08:18 PM 2013
Nick is sharper than my wife's tongue!
Hehheh! Almost drop my chair for that comment!! :) :) Very well said!
Quote from: rolf-harris on Jan 29, 10:37 AM 2013
What are, do you think, the reasons for this method not seeming to throw up long runs of losses.
After all it all boils down to an even chance bet.
If we were playing red or black we would soon see long runs of one colour that would destroy us.
But I tested this last night and didn't go past three losses in a row.
Admitted for only a couple of hours.
Do you reckon a long losing sequence of say 12 is less likely than if we were playing the layout even chance bets....or are we overdue a bad run?
Rolf,
I don't know the answer to that. It's why I keep testing. With my cynics hat on, it may be that because we are only betting every third spin, that time and amounts of spins are elongated, compared to looking at consecutive runs of EC.
However I am hopeful that this method sees less long runs of losses than any other and can therefore be manipulated to our benefit.
Cheers Rolf
Oh, I was betting continuously..a run of all same would have wiped me out ..... lol
As would a run of alternate odd and even....Phew.....but it worked for two hours.
I did a quick test betting continuously just to get in the swing of what to bet after each trigger so that I don't even have to think about it. It still did very well, +55 units (.50p) in about an hour of live play. But like Rolf says, a run of repeats etc and we would be wiped out, so hopefully betting every third spin will help us out. Going to test this properly tonight and will report back.
Quote from: rolf-harris on Jan 29, 11:55 AM 2013
Oh, I was betting continuously..a run of all same would have wiped me out ..... LoL
As would a run of alternate odd and even....Phew.....but it worked for two hours.
Betting every third spin can protect against repeats though and is a strength with this.
Such as:
2 2 4 L
4 4 2 L
2 2 1 W
So there you have 8 repeating DS's but only 2 losses
BW
just ran this through over 300 spins from dublinbet. the results are as follows:-
4 3 1 W
2 2 3 W
3 4 6 W
3 5 6 W
1 1 1 L
4 3 2 L
2 3 3 W
5 6 1 L
6 4 5 W
1 3 4 W
5 1 3 L
6 1 1 W
6 4 6 L
6 4 1 W
3 4 2 W
4 2 3 W
3 4 3 L
4 1 4 L
1 3 3 L
3 3 1 L
2 0
3 2 4 W
3 4 3 L
1 2 3 L
1 4 5 L
1 5 6 W
3 1 1 L
2 2 2 L
6 3 3 W
3 2 5 L
5 3 6 W
4 4 4 L
5 2 1 L
4 2 4 L
1 6 1 L
4 6 6 L
6 3 6 L
5 5 6 W
2 2 4 L
4 4 2 L
3 2 3 L
3 4 6 W
2 1 3 W
2 1 6 L
2 6 4 L
3 3 2 W
3 5 1 L
0
2 0
6 3 2 L
1 4 5 L
4 5 3 W
3 4 4 W
5 2 1 L
2 3 1 W
6 4 1 W
2 6 6 L
3 6 4 W
3 1 4 W
6 3 1 W
3 3 6 W
1 3 6 W
3 4 6 W
5 3 3 L
2 2 2 L
0
1 5 2 W
1 2 2 W
4 2 6 L
3 5 1 L
6 2 2 L
6 5 2 L
0
6 6 5 W
4 3 6 L
2 6 5 W
4 5 6 L
2 5 3 W
5 3 2 W
5 1 4 W
3 1 5 L
4 1 1 W
1 3 6 W
4 0
5 4 5 L
1 1 2 W
6 1 6 L
3 6 5 L
3 2 6 W
2 0
5 5 6 W
1 4 2 W
3 1 5 L
0
2 5 2 L
3 3 5 L
1 4 3 L
0
6 5 2 L
3 3 2 W
2 5 1 L
6 4 5 W
3 4 4 W
4 4 4 L
4 3 3 W
3 2 4 W
6 3 5 W
0
6 5 2 L
3 1 4 W
6 4 1 W
5 2 6 W
1 4 2 W
5 2 2 W
326 spins, probably more than you would sit through in a b&m casino and so a very good test.
longest losing run of 6, with a 6 consecutive win run. i'm not sure about the guetting progression with this method because the wins seem to come in 2's and 3's.
the above spins just about show a profit with a flat bet, but how about grouping the results into sessions of 5 and if in minus after the 5 games raise one unit? if in plus, stay same or lower by one unit.
we could just play the leveller for the 5 games.
Is anyone still playing this? I gave it a few tests seems quite balanced, With the progression someone posted above this could be a nice system. Does anyone can recommend a decent bankroll? :) Im willing to give it a try with real money.
I only play for fun , the 1000 units they give you would be OK.
Maybe less, but I was doubling up after a loss each time.
just ran this through over 300 spins from dublinbet. the results are as follows:-
4 3 1 W
2 2 3 W
3 4 6 W
3 5 6 W
1 1 1 L
4 3 2 L
2 3 3 W
5 6 1 L
6 4 5 W
1 3 4 W
5 1 3 L
6 1 1 W
6 4 6 L
6 4 1 W
3 4 2 W
4 2 3 W
3 4 3 L
4 1 4 L
1 3 3 L
3 3 1 L
2 0
3 2 4 W
3 4 3 L
1 2 3 L
1 4 5 L
1 5 6 W
3 1 1 L
2 2 2 L
6 3 3 W
3 2 5 L
5 3 6 W
4 4 4 L
5 2 1 L
4 2 4 L
1 6 1 L
4 6 6 L
6 3 6 L
5 5 6 W
2 2 4 L
4 4 2 L
3 2 3 L
3 4 6 W
2 1 3 W
2 1 6 L
2 6 4 L
3 3 2 W
3 5 1 L
0
2 0
6 3 2 L
1 4 5 L
4 5 3 W
3 4 4 W
5 2 1 L
2 3 1 W
6 4 1 W
2 6 6 L
3 6 4 W
3 1 4 W
6 3 1 W
3 3 6 W
1 3 6 W
3 4 6 W
5 3 3 L
2 2 2 L
0
1 5 2 W
1 2 2 W
4 2 6 L
3 5 1 L
6 2 2 L
6 5 2 L
0
6 6 5 W
4 3 6 L
2 6 5 W
4 5 6 L
2 5 3 W
5 3 2 W
5 1 4 W
3 1 5 L
4 1 1 W
1 3 6 W
4 0
5 4 5 L
1 1 2 W
6 1 6 L
3 6 5 L
3 2 6 W
2 0
5 5 6 W
1 4 2 W
3 1 5 L
0
2 5 2 L
3 3 5 L
1 4 3 L
0
6 5 2 L
3 3 2 W
2 5 1 L
6 4 5 W
3 4 4 W
4 4 4 L
4 3 3 W
3 2 4 W
6 3 5 W
0
6 5 2 L
3 1 4 W
6 4 1 W
5 2 6 W
1 4 2 W
5 2 2 W
326 spins, probably more than you would sit through in a b&m casino and so a very good test.
longest losing run of 6, with a 6 consecutive win run. i'm not sure about the guetting progression with this method because the wins seem to come in 2's and 3's.
the above spins just about show a profit with a flat bet, but how about grouping the results into sessions of 5 and if in minus after the 5 games raise one unit? if in plus, stay same or lower by one unit.
we could just play the leveller for the 5 games.
Just a query about the above results
The first line is 431. So if 4 is first then 3 is second number spun is that then E/O so therefore it is alternating? So when 1 is then next it would be 2 x O & 1 x E. so when would you place the bet as it shows a win after 1 DS is spun. Hope I m making this clear.
Thanks
You have it right,
Bet against a run of 3 of the same
and:
Against a run of 3 alternating
4 1 3 is a win therefore as the 3 breaks up the alternate trend
5 2 4 is a win for same reason etc
Hope that it is clearer
BW
bw, are you still testing this? or are you playing it for real?
have you settled on a progression yet?
cheers.
Yes, I am sure I read somewhere of a progression that would give a run of 50-50. even chance results ending up with a profit, . . although maybe small.
Its got to be on the forums somwhere.
HI BW,
here is a session with 7 losses in a row !!
Please have a look if the betting sequence is correct.
This was flatbetting an no progression.
Thanks
Ray
...this is the right excel file
with 0 detection
Ray
Hi Ray
nice sheet! It's all correct - this method will get the usual lengthy losses as with other EC ways and wouldn't hold up flat betting. A progression of some type is therefore necessary
Quote from: buffalowizard on Feb 07, 05:50 AM 2013
Hi Ray
nice sheet! It's all correct - this method will get the usual lengthy losses as with other EC ways and wouldn't hold up flat betting. A progression of some type is therefore necessary
And remember, when using a progression, the longer you play the more likely you will reach the end of the progression.
The longer the progression, the fewer times you will blow it, but when you do, the bigger the hit.
I still suggest that you only consider 5% and at most 10% of what you win using a progression to be considered as possible winnings. The other 90-95% is money your holding for the casino. That way, when the streak from he!! comes, it won't do so much psychological damage.
Just keeping it real,
GLC
Amen to that!
QuoteHi Ray
nice sheet! It's all correct - this method will get the usual lengthy losses as with other EC ways and wouldn't hold up flat betting. A progression of some type is therefore necessary
Thanks,
this Excel sheet tells you how many times you have loosing streaks and how long they are....
So I think if someone is interested in progression management this could help.
Ray
Quote from: rayhd63 on Feb 07, 06:48 PM 2013
Thanks,
this Excel sheet tells you how many times you have losing streaks and how long they are....
So I think if someone is interested in progression management this could help.
Ray
I think the only thing that can handle that win/loss series is an 8 step martingale! :o
Quote from: GLC on Feb 07, 07:44 PM 2013
I think the only thing that can handle that win/loss series is an 8 step martingale! :o
For some people, 8 to 10 step martingale is doable (for EC Chance).
regards, Sugtips