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Fancy a quick and easy EC system to try? Then give this one a go

Split the board into 4 sections of 9
1-9
10-18
19-27
28-36

Always bet on the two middle sectors - that is, betting against the hottest and coldest two

Example: (always start a session by waiting for all four outcomes to hit)

4
4
1
3
1
4
2 < all four have hit. 4&1 are the centre pair to bet
2 <loss, still bet 4,1
1 < win. Now 2&4 are centre pair
4 < win. Now 1&2
3 < loss. Now 4&1
1 < win
Etc

This is an enjoyable EC selection where you bet every spin and can apply any MM you like

BW

Looks cool but not sure i understand the bet selection  :(

Wiz....

1
2
3
4

1 is coldest; 4 is hottest; bet 2 and 3?

Sam

That's right Sam,

I'll put a little sample out later

Quote4
4
1
3
1
4
2 < all four have hit. 4&1 are the centre pair to bet
2 <loss, still bet 4,1
1 < win. Now 2&4 are centre pair
4 < win. Now 1&2
3 < loss. Now 4&1
1 < win
Etc

Hi Buff,

looks intresting. But to me the middle or center pair of the first bet would be 1 ,3 !?!

So when you have a hit, you track upwards till you have all 4 sectors. Then go to the middle and bet the one above and the one below ?!?
What would you do if you have  1,1,2,3,4 . Would it be 2,3 or 1,2 ?

Ray

Quote from: rayhd63 on Feb 15, 11:54 AM 2013
Hi Buff,

looks intresting. But to me the middle or center pair of the first bet would be 1 ,3 !?!

So when you have a hit, you track upwards till you have all 4 sectors. Then go to the middle and bet the one above and the one below ?!?
What would you do if you have  1,1,2,3,4 . Would it be 2,3 or 1,2 ?

Ray

Hiya Ray,


It's a little confusing to start with because before a play you must wait until each sector has hit once.


In my small sample: 4413142 so now all sectors have hit, and if you look backwards 2 then 4 then 1 then 3 have hit consecutively. Therefore, 4 and 1 are the centre pairing.


In your example...11234 the 3 and 2 are the centre pairing. Pay no attention to repeats so for example


11133111113221114  <1 and 2 are the centre pairing at the point of all 4 sectors hitting. hope this makes sense.


BW

Here is a 100 spin sample to give you an idea of how it plays, it's easy once you get the hang of it. Any questions welcomed.



2
3
3
3
3
4
3
2
4
4
1 <starts here, bet 4,2
4 W, bet 1,2
2 W, bet 4,1
3 L, bet 2,4
4 W, bet 3,2
1 L, bet 4,3
4 W, bet 1,3
2 L, bet 4,1
1 W
3 L
4 L
3 W
1 W
4 W
1 W
4 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
4 W
4 L
3 L
3 L
2 L
4 W
3 W
4 W
3 W
2 W
1 L
2 W
1 W
2 W
1 W
2 W
2 L
4 L
2 W
3 L
1 L
1 L
2 W
1 W
3 W
3 L
2 W
4 L
4 L
3 W
4 W
1 L
4 W
4 L
1 W
2 L
3 L
3 L
2 W
1 W
4 L
1 W
1 L
2 W
1 W
4 W
4 L
3 L
4 W
3 W
2 L
2 L
3 W
3 L
1 L
1 L
2 W
3 W
4 L
3 W
2 W
2 L
2 L
3 W
1 L
2 W
3 W
4 L
2 W
2 L
3 W

Buff....one thing you havnt specified. When you say "bet 2,3" I know its the numbers 10-19, 19-27, but what are you betting?
what is the actual bet you are laying...

Turner

Quote from: Turner on Feb 15, 05:47 PM 2013
Buff....one thing you havnt specified. When you say "bet 2,3" I know its the numbers 10-19, 19-27, but what are you betting?
what is the actual bet you are laying...

Turner

Hi Turner,


Personally I bet the streets, so that's 6 streets in total = 18 number bet.


Others may do it differently as there's quite a few ways of betting the 9 number sectors


BW

Another session, quite a crazy one really with a real topsy turvy feel. How to combat 9 losses, like all EC methods hit from time to time is the big question. Lots of winners however too !
2
3
2
4
4
4
3
1 >start here...bet 3,4
3 W
2 L
3 W
2 W
1 W
4 L
1 W
3 L
2 L
2 L
1 W
3 W
4 L
4 L
4 L
3 W
2 L
2 L
3 W
1 L
2 W
3 W
3 L
2 W
1 L
4 L
3 L
3 L
3 L
2 L
2 L
2 L
2 L
4 W
2 W
4 W
3 W
1 L
4 W
1 W
4 W
4 L
4 L
2 L
1 W
4 W
1 W
2 W
1 W
4 W
1 W
4 W
4 L
2 W
4 W
1 W
4 W
2 W
3 L
1 L
4 L
2 L
3 L
4 W
3 W
2 W
3 W
4 W
4 L
2 W
2 L
3 W
4 W
1 L
4 W
2 L
3 L
4 W
4 L
4 L
2 W
4 W
3 W
3 L
4 W
3 W
2 W
4 W
1 L
4 W
1 W
2 W

Since it's an EC bet, I'd consider a D'Alembert.

this seems fun :D
thanks buff.

when do you start tracking again? or do you stick to it until you get tired? I'm planning to play with this when i get lazy hehehe ;D

Hello Buff,

so for my understandings ,

once you start betting, from then on its allways the last 2 sections from the actual spin !?!

Ray

Hi Buff,

could you check if this is the way it schould be ?!?

Under Bet "42" I mean Bet sector 4 and sector 2

Ray

Quote from: rayhd63 on Feb 18, 05:24 AM 2013
Hi Buff,

could you check if this is the way it schould be ?!?

Under Bet "42" I mean Bet sector 4 and sector 2

Ray

That's perfect Ray, you got the hang of it
How have your tests been going so far mate?

Quote from: marvin on Feb 16, 02:52 AM 2013
this seems fun :D
thanks buff.

when do you start tracking again? or do you stick to it until you get tired? I'm planning to play with this when i get lazy hehehe ;D

Don't do it for real as have tested all 6 possible combos flat bet,long ago, and they all lose on the long run....but would mostly work with D'Alamb.larger BR

QuoteThat's perfect Ray, you got the hang of it
How have your tests been going so far mate?

just wantet to make sure I got it right. Now I am going on with testing.
Will let you know.  Any Progression recomondations ?!?

QuoteDon't do it for real as have tested all 6 possible combos

What combos ?!?


Ray

Hey Buff,

please have a look at my sheet... There must be something wrong......

Looks tooo good  ;)

Ray

P.S. Please don't disappoint me and find an error  :-\

Quote from: rayhd63 on Feb 18, 07:23 PM 2013
Hey Buff,

please have a look at my sheet... There must be something wrong......

Looks tooo good  ;)

Ray

P.S. Please don't disappoint me and find an error  :-\

Looks like the biggest drawdown was 372 units.  What do you think for a buy-in?  500? 750? 1000?


How different is this from just playing the penultimate dozen?  1 unit covers 12 numbers so the buy-in should be much lower with very similar results.  We'd play it the same way.  Wait until all three dozens hit and then bet the penultimate dozen.


Not trying to knock this system, just trying to assess whether there's enough of a hit rate improvement to justify the extra units to cover 6 streets with 6 units instead of 4 streets with 1 unit?


Just wondering.


GLC

@ray,
It looks correct to me- so I'd say that was a very good session! We're you just doing +/- 1 progression?

@GLC
You are right and probably no difference but it's fun and we hope in vain that these selections create different outcomes.

Quote from: rayhd63 on Feb 18, 11:51 AM 2013
just wantet to make sure I got it right. Now I am going on with testing.
Will let you know.  Any Progression recomondations ?!?


What combos ?!?


Ray

1/2-1/3-1/4-2/4-3/4....and the one you are about is 2/3..in other words doing it in circles---
1/2=last/penultimate--1/3 last/ sec.penultimate,1/4 last/furthest,2/3 penultimate/sec.penultimate,2/4 penultimate/furthest,3/4,sec.penultimate/furthest....as they mostly in move changing,and one advantageous
thing in this bet is that it rarely goes into long inbalances.

QuoteIt looks correct to me- so I'd say that was a very good session! We're you just doing +/- 1 progression?

Yes, +1 on a loss and -1 on a win. As soon as latest high is reached , set units to 1.


@ George

QuoteWait until all three dozens hit and then bet the penultimate dozen

Could you give me a quick update , or where I can find that method ?!?

Ray

Just plucked a day off Spielbank................

Not a bad day at the office!

Maybe this does have legs after all

Wiz

The sheet says to bet, say, 45.  What is 4 and 5.  Are you breaking the carpet down into lines (double streets)?  If, are you only betting a dozen?  I thought it was an EC bet.

Sam

Me too.....carpet divided on 4,betting always 2 and 3 in circles....that's why I mentioned above that have tested all 6 possible combos of this bet,flat bet,and neither works on the long run.....but all work 1+1-
as there are not long imbalances in any......so whenever in plus swap the combo....2/3 won,go to 2/4 and
so on in circles......it is how was tested lon ago....and it does have legs,6 in fact.

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 20, 10:48 AM 2013
Wiz

The sheet says to bet, say, 45.  What is 4 and 5.  Are you breaking the carpet down into lines (double streets)?  If, are you only betting a dozen?  I thought it was an EC bet.

Sam

Sam,
The system is based on 4 sectors of 9. 3 single streets each. Therefore two of those sectors equal the 18 number EC bet

Sector 1:1-9
2: 10-18
3: 19-27
4: 27-36

Got it.

Thanks

Quote from: buffalowizard on Feb 20, 10:40 AM 2013
Not a bad day at the office!

Maybe this does have legs after all

Except that is done all wrong....why don't you correct Sams sheet BW....not done as you explained
in your first post.......

Quote from: ilukan on Feb 20, 04:13 PM 2013
Except that is done all wrong....why don't you correct Sams sheet BW....not done as you explained
in your first post.......

Would if i had excel.
Follow Rays sheet instead, I'm pretty sure this method is clear now

Cheers

To me it is clear for years,as this is one of favorites in my arsenal,but not the way you presented and wouldn't wish to spoil your thread with my suggestions/even thought gave some hints but without reaction/therefore
will open own thread how this bet should be played where 75% of sessions/with zeros included/win on the long run flat betting....attached example,and started also testing 2/3 section,your way...but you can continue.And this is picked up longest session last night Wiesbaden

by the way-as you can notice in complete session over 400 spins,the longest losing run was 5 spins........FLAT BET.....which you can rarely see in such bets....Why??????all real roulette players and explorers will know the reason why........and try test 10 sessions most will be alike betting thisway random vers.random.....and actually session won 12 units with 14 zeros hitting

Hi Flat,

any possibility trying to explain when you change the sectors and why ?!?
Couldn't figure it out... Sorry....

Ray

Very, very, very promising bet. Thats all i can say.

Ill try to make a tracker tonight of it, will keep you guys posted on the results.

Ps: ilukan, your bets are always good, would like to know more about your tweak on this bet.

Regards,
Alex

I thought Ray made a tracker.  Did I go to sleep again??

Quote from: rayhd63 on Feb 20, 07:15 PM 2013
Hi Flat,

any possibility trying to explain when you change the sectors and why ?!?
Couldn't figure it out... Sorry....

Ray

Will explain in the new thread all the rules.

Quote from: probasah on Feb 20, 07:38 PM 2013
Very, very, very promising bet. that's all i can say.

Ill try to make a tracker tonight of it, will keep you guys posted on the results.

Ps: ilukan, your bets are always good, would like to know more about your tweak on this bet.

Regards,
Alex

If you do then flat bet/and as said earlier,might lose some sessions,but it should never go into
deep DD/and will also explain how to come on top doing it with D'Alemb/

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 20, 09:42 PM 2013
I thought Ray made a tracker.  Did I go to sleep again??

I did watching soccer Milan vers.Barcelona/but you wouldn't be interested to know the score,Sam/

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 20, 09:42 PM 2013
I thought Ray made a tracker.  Did I go to sleep again??

I don't think so Sam, not yet anyway.

Ilukan, it's good we are both targeting similar areas of attack in this game. Your excel sheet had errors in it on my side of things but it's ok, maybe I haven't explained it well enough.
My method had a bet every spin.
So for example

2
2
3
1
4 bet 1,3
2 bet 4,1
2 bet 4,1
1 bet 2,4
3 bet 1,2
3 bet 1,2
4 bet 3,1
1 bet 4,3
1 bet 4,3
2 bet 1,4
4 bet 2,1
2 bet 4,1
3 bet 2,4
4 bet 3,2
1 bet 4,3
2 bet 1,4
2 bet 1,4
1 bet 2,4
3 bet 1,2

Etc. quite easy once you get used to it

OK, I used that sheet Ray posted with the graph.  I cleared his numbers and pasted in the ones from Spielbank.  It worked, or at least I thought it did.

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Sam

I been used to it as explored all 6 possible bets individually and they all lose betting
it individually flat as EC......but swapping it randomly after each win,as shown....well that's the
different story...which you will see in the new thread...individually they all lose cause they are STATIC,and
we know any static EC bet cant win flat bet on the long run.Probably were some typo errors,even on my side,as was watching Milan-Barca

Dear ilukan and all,

Find here below the tracker, using the swapping method, flat bet.
You load up the numbers on the green left column.

For the moment it doesn`t look so good, loosing, but maybe we can tweak it into a winning bet selection.

Maybe swapping RANDOMLY might be a solution, as swapping them in this order:
12
13
14
23
24
34

(like in the tracker) doesn`t seem to make it win.

Flat bet only.

Regards,
Alex

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 21, 06:32 AM 2013
OK, I used that sheet Ray posted with the graph.  I cleared his numbers and pasted in the ones from Spielbank.  It worked, or at least I thought it did.

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Sam

Good stuff Sam, similar to Rays first session

Quote from: probasah on Feb 21, 09:20 AM 2013
Dear ilukan and all,

Find here below the tracker, using the swapping method, flat bet.
You load up the numbers on the green left column.

For the moment it doesn`t look so good, losing, but maybe we can tweak it into a winning bet selection.

Maybe swapping RANDOMLY might be a solution, as swapping them in this order:
12
13
14
23
24
34

(like in the tracker) doesn`t seem to make it win.

Flat bet only.

Regards,
Alex

I only glanced it and in the very first bet should be win not los.....if after 4 virtuals come 1 when you are betting 1/2....check it up...further didn't continue.And by the way those are rng numbers...correct...if so I never accept those,nor playing it...only live.Thank for your efforts....can I import real live numbers there and how,as am not very friendly with those exibitions.

Personally I'm getting confused now as to who is discussing which system.

This one can follow the original thread and perhaps Ilukan can take his take on it to a new thread

Cheers,  BW

Hey BuffaloWizzard,

Thanks for the idea. Sorry, i didnt want to pollute your thread with my ideas, its just a test i made on ilukan suggestion.

Regards,
Alex

Quote from: probasah on Feb 21, 04:37 PM 2013
Hey BuffaloWizzard,

Thanks for the idea. Sorry, i didn't want to pollute your thread with my ideas, its just a test i made on ilukan suggestion.

Regards,
Alex

No worries mate,
Good luck testing


BW

Quote from: buffalowizard on Feb 21, 12:32 PM 2013
Personally I'm getting confused now as to who is discussing which system.

This one can follow the original thread and perhaps Ilukan can take his take on it to a new thread

Cheers,  BW

ditto....I've been keeping an eye on this one Buff.....

It's getting vamped up with other ideas.

You told them anyhow....which makes you (drum roll)


Buffa the Vamped idea slayer

Apologies in retrospect

Quote from: Turner on Feb 21, 06:22 PM 2013
ditto....I've been keeping an eye on this one Buff.....

It's getting vamped up with other ideas.

You told them anyhow....which makes you (drum roll)


Buffa the Vamped idea slayer

Apologies in retrospect

Ha! Turner, you have my magical furry hide rippling like a Scottish salmon river

Hi Buff,

here is a excel sheet where you paste in the numbers or manually (B2:B1000)
you can change your progression manually (T2:T22)

Have fun.

One thing that I am working on is the 0 (Zero) , but in 500 spins that's a bout a 50 unit difference.
So this one comes quite close to your method.

To me this method looks like a consideration for a bot.....

Ray