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The question is very simple. From your experience, which bet do you think has a better chance of winning?


Regards,
Alex

For me its a hard question... With clear mind, hard rules and MM repeaters can earn money for me. But last few weeks i was hardly testing wheel movements (playing small sectors) and results are much better than everything i was testing in past.

I voted "other" but with a strange reason  ???

I think all bets are equal, and if you ever mastered the game you could adapt your system to all or most type of bet  8)

O0

I can not vote only one from that list, because do not exist * the ONE*  or  *the best *.........
Lot of  bets have some merit, i play most of the time hot inside numbers/ dealer signature_ movements /  9 inside trends, most flat bet,
also some EC s with MM,  also one dozen bet using possitive progressions........also test new ideas and still learn from personal and others experiences.
I have bad days and good days.... i wish i have always same results like in the attach files(flat bet all)....but not possible always.

cheers

Bet that your selections stay within 3 std of the norm. Use MM to help recovery when the selections approach or breach the 3 std.

Once breached, don't chase the rabbit any further down the hole. Start a new sesion or change selections.

Quote from: Skakus on Feb 27, 04:24 PM 2013
Bet that your selections stay within 3 std of the norm. Use MM to help recovery when the selections approach or breach the 3 std.

Once breached, don't chase the rabbit any further down the hole. Start a new sesion or change selections.

Skakus,
Im not sure many will understand that general idea. its all you could ever get out of Speed. what does it exactly mean. i know what that general wording means, but how would it look in example.

I picked repeaters because its the only thing random numbers actually do. Numbers repeat. They do little else that seems logical.
As Ive said many times. Roulette is beatable.

What we are trying to beat is Roulette with the Casino rules bolted on. Its totally different.

Of course, thats just my view. its not defacto

Quote from: Skakus on Feb 27, 04:24 PM 2013
Bet that your selections stay within 3 std of the norm

This will happen in 99.7% of the time on EC-s for example.

If someone maybe doesn't understands this you can look it at this way: You would find between 35 and 65 reds or any other EC in that ratio in every 100 spins sample for 997 out of 1000 samples.  And 18 numbers is 18 numbers, no matter how you take it. As some here are trying to say that if you take 18 numbers this way or that way and playing continuosly, you will face different game. So ignorant math fallacy.

Best

Drazen

Drazen

I understand what you are saying and I agree, but "So ignorant math fallacy." is hard to read and not take offense.  Many people equate ignorant with stupid and they are two different things.

Will Rogers:  "We're all ignorant, just on different subjects."  Harshest thing the man ever said.  (That I've read anyway.)

Sam

I have to go with "trending".  It is similar to repeats, but there are trends where the repeats don't come at all.  It is how sometimes we get RRRRR, sometimes we get RBRBRBRB, sometimes RRBBRRBB, and sometimes wild gibberish.

I think the question should more bet "what have the professionals who earn a living been using?"

It has been answered many times, but most people prefer a simple system that will work everywhere with no time and effort.

yes people go around by circles in search of some magic patterns, call  them "holy grails" which will just work most of the time. But these things do not exist...Any kind of bet may work in the beginning, and sometimes for some periods of time...before it will crash..

Quotebut most people prefer a simple system that will work everywhere with no time and effort.

Steve , any hint  ::)

I think Roulettecomputers should do the job  ;)

Ray

Quote from: rayhd63 on Feb 28, 03:01 AM 2013
Steve , any hint  ::)

I think Roulettecomputers should do the job  ;)

Ray

Yes but if I may say that using comps is not so easy as many people think... It isnt just you buy some quite expensive thing and you can beat casinos to the ground and take as much money as you want..

I know on which principle they work ( as understand enough about physics and VB) and have spoken with many people who bought that thing (not necesseraly from Steve) and soon re-selling it saying: Yes most of the time they CAN do the JOB , but not the way I thought... For them to work it still needs hell of a your consideration, time and efforts. And don't forget you must do all that in casino enviroment which you can't imagine what is that like if you didn't tried that in casino... And of course what happens if they figure out what you are doing.. You can create yourself serious problems with that... There is great deal of risk doing that.. don't forget that.

If that with comps would be so easy so why wouldnt we all buy that and close casino era  :question:

Best

Drazen

Quote from: Drazen on Feb 28, 04:07 AM 2013
Yes but if I may say that using comps is not so easy as many people think... It isnt just you buy some quite expensive thing and you can beat casinos to the ground and take as much money as you want..

I know on which principle they work ( as understand enough about physics and VB) and have spoken with many people who bought that thing (not necesseraly from Steve) and soon re-selling it saying: Yes most of the time they CAN do the JOB , but not the way I thought... For them to work it still needs hell of a your consideration, time and efforts. And don't forget you must do all that in casino enviroment which you can't imagine what is that like if you didn't tried that in casino... And of course what happens if they figure out what you are doing.. You can create yourself serious problems with that... There is great deal of risk doing that.. don't forget that.

If that with comps would be so easy so why wouldnt we all buy that and close casino era  :question:

Best

Drazen

And...with the 3 or so spins left to bet its a case of throwing £25 chip at the dealer and shouting 13 and neighbours. Thats the min bet for neighbours in uk. Unless you memorise every neighbor. Big stake and a big strain. For me it would anyhow

 

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 27, 09:55 PM 2013
Drazen

I understand what you are saying and I agree, but "So ignorant math fallacy." is hard to read and not take offense.  Many people equate ignorant with silly and they are two different things.

Will Rogers:  "We're all ignorant, just on different subjects."  Harshest thing the man ever said.  (That I've read anyway.)

Sam

Hello Sam

Well I apologize if that would offend someone, but at the same time I don't see why someone would offend because I didn't said silly as I agree with you, that is very different then ignorant about same subject...

I meant ignorant as not knowing/understanding parts of the theory of probability related to this game.. That is factual problem/deal for each individual and has nothing with what someone can claim...

I am not here to brag or something like that, I am not guru of roulette or probability of some kind. Theory of probability is very large subject. But I did enough efforts to understand parts of it which helped me to understand all in this game, considering that mathematical/statistical side.

Well that thing with deviations doesn't gives you any "advantage" in mathematical expression as Advantage-play can for example... So it means you would still lose -2.7 on the longrun.

You can start at any STD point and for the next same length sample you will still have 50:50 minus 2.7 on the longterm. You have here software from Bayes which proves that. But that is the not point of searching for deviations.

It doesn't means that higher deviation--if you start after missing many losses--, you will have more wins from that point. WRONG! You will still have 50:50 or any other ratio for each odds.. But you can hope for not having so severe deviation again..

That is if phenomenon in randomness called REGRESSION TOWARD MEAN, which says that if a variable is extreme on its first measurement, then it will get closer to the average on the second.
Regression to the mean is a real phenomenon, but it only says that given an extreme event, the following event will be less extreme - the vast majority of the time. That's a long way from saying that events are  governed by an invisible elastic band which somehow pulls the outcomes back to balance in the short term. In fact the opposite is the case - RATIOS will tend to balance, but not absolute numbers, which actually diverge as you get more results.

Regression to the mean is NOT CAUSABLE phenomenon

Things in between are MM job.

Best

Drazen

Drazen....sams point is that the word ignorant has lost its way in the english language. Its now an insult usually. MISGUIDED is more clever as it shifts the blame of ignorance onto others >:D

Quote from: Turner on Feb 28, 04:38 AM 2013
And...with the 3 or so spins left to bet its a case of throwing £25 chip at the dealer and shouting 13 and neighbours. that's the min bet for neighbours in uk. Unless you memorise every neighbor. Big stake and a big strain. For me it would anyhow

do the casinos you play at not have the "racetrack" option  :o

O0

I've never found a wheel I can't beat with a roulette computer. Beating a wheel is one thing, but beating it in casino conditions is another because they may call no more bets way too early etc. If you have a wheel where you can bet when there are about 10 seconds to go before ball falls, you can beat it with either my uber or hybrid computers.

They are not for everyone though as the difficult wheels need the player to understand settings beyond "click here" and "bet". Some players take months to understand the complexities. Some players never fully understand it and don't succeed. Again it is not for everyone. For example, which setting does what and WHEN it is used. But if you're talking about simplistic computers, they are very simple to use, but are the same thing as visual ballistics which doesn't do a lot today. My computers range from $500 to $80,000. Big difference. they are very different ends of the scale. I could talk all day about what my computers can do and have many times. I have said many times what works best but most people keep going back to looking for some holy grail. Most people here vaguely know what I have, after all the links are everywhere so it makes no different to re-type what has already been said, but relatively few properly research it. and its more entertaining to post images of stretched body parts on VLS anyway

The overall simplest way to beat roulette I know is my auto software at genuinewinner.com. It beats about 35% of wheels with varying edge and predictions before ball release. Some wheels are minor 3% edge or so, but mostly between 8-12%, sometimes much more. It is more than a plug. I have been doing this for almost 20 years nearly every day, really. I originally created :.genuinewinner.com/truth/ so I didn't need to constantly type the same thing on forums, to explain what does and doesn't work. The vb system there has won well into millions. But that was yesterday and today its very different.

Quote from: ddarko on Feb 28, 06:11 AM 2013
do the casinos you play at not have the "racetrack" option  :o

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Ddarko....they do but is £5 MIN bet....5 numbers = £25min. Ive never placed more than £10 let alone £25

Quote from: Turner on Feb 28, 06:26 AM 2013
Ddarko....they do but is £5 MIN bet....5 numbers = £25min. I've never placed more than £10 let alone £25

ok fair enough  :thumbsup:

& btw I agree with you, "big strain" indeed  :-[

O0

Quote from: Colbster on Feb 27, 10:48 PM 2013
I have to go with "trending".  It is similar to repeats, but there are trends where the repeats don't come at all.  It is how sometimes we get RRRRR, sometimes we get RBRBRBRB, sometimes RRBBRRBB, and sometimes wild gibberish.

Dear Colbster

In the longterm you will face perfectly same number of chops as repeats as you call it... That way you can't rely on them more then on anything else for example following it raw..

Random has its limits and that can be proved and measured

For example number of series and singles and length of series and singles have same correlation as R/B for example

I ll take you example RBRBRBRBR--this pattern for example is at 3.0 std from normal distribution and RRRRRRRRR or BBBBBBBBB is also 3.0 STD. Mathematicaly they have same value and probability of showing  :love:

Same for chops vs any other serie

Cheers

Drazen

Turner

You are right.  The word has lost it's way.  There are places in the U.S. where, if you called a person ignorant, you could collect a fist very quickly.

Another word is "niggardly".  Some find this word very offensive for obvious reasons but it has nothing to do with what it sounds like.

Political correctness has run amok over here. 

Please don't call me a dirty bustard.

Sam

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 28, 09:00 AM 2013
Turner

You are right.  The word has lost it's way.  There are places in the U.S. where, if you called a person ignorant, you could collect a fist very quickly.

Another word is "niggardly".  Some find this word very offensive for obvious reasons but it has nothing to do with what it sounds like.

Political correctness has run amok over here. 

Please don't call me a dirty bustard.

Sam

Never heard that one mate....niggardly.

its like Bast.ard, no one retorts "don't doubt my parantage" but it means born out of wedlock. That must of been a big insult 100 years ago.
Infact.....ignorant is almost always paired with bas.tard here in england.

" I walked in the cafe and the guy behind the counter said "yes!!", continuing to read his paper . I said..."breakfast please!".
"breakfast is until 11-00",he replied, pointing at the clock behind him without breaking his gaze at the newspaper.........

I said "its 11-02!",

"eee....leven...o...clock !!!" he snorted, emphasizing each syllable with his finger, and continued reading the rag.

I left the cafe muttering "ignorant bastard" under my breath.

Quote from: Turner on Feb 28, 05:12 PM 2013
" I walked in the cafe and the guy behind the counter said "yes!!", continuing to read his paper . I said..."breakfast please!".
"breakfast is until 11-00",he replied, pointing at the clock behind him without breaking his gaze at the newspaper.........

I said "its 11-02!",

"eee....leven...o...clock !!!" he snorted, emphasizing each syllable with his finger, and continued reading the rag.

I left the cafe muttering "ignorant bastard" under my breath.

Reminds me of Michael Douglas in the McDonalds(Whammyburgers) scene of 'Falling Down'. Great movie.


Falling Down - I want breakfast (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=-eREiQhBDIk#ws)

Quote from: Skakus on Feb 28, 05:43 PM 2013

Reminds me of Michael Douglas in the McDonalds scene of 'Falling Down'. Great movie.

Fantastic film, no doubt we have all had days like that !!!

"what do you mean..... I'm the bad guy?" = great line

O0

Quote from: Skakus on Feb 28, 05:43 PM 2013

Reminds me of Michael Douglas in the McDonalds(Whammyburgers) scene of 'Falling Down'. Great movie.


Falling Down - I want breakfast (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=-eREiQhBDIk#ws)

if i catch it on the telly...I watch it to the end every time. Done that in excess of 10 times.

Sorry Prob.....we digress.

I went to the casino tonight. I won £78 on the bonus ball lottery at work, so I thought I would take it to the casino.

I voted repeats in the survey, and that's what I played.
I won first spin....just playing what had repeated on the marquee. it went perfect all night on 3 tables.
i won £30 with 50p chips....50% of my bankroll.
Wife lost £30 LoL. She was losing it as fast as I could win it.
I get very anxious playing a system in a casino. I'm very distractable. find it hard to concentrate in a crown.
I stick to repeats. never lets me down to badly.

Tried a few touching numbers when the repeats were low....they did ok too.

My vote went to repeaters as well. I think it is the only way to win the roulette, repeaters+ MM strategy.

Regards,
Alex

u will not win on a long run on repeaters. You will encounter a lot of waking up sleepers and those which hit one time and now hit again...If it was that simple, roulette would not be  a casino game by now...but You can win some from time to time...

to really win u gotta bet something more complex and on very short periods...

Remember folks, roulette is mathematically unbeatable game and must be treated as such...if u wanna win of course.

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Feb 28, 09:00 AM 2013
...Political correctness has run amok over here... 

Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end.

::)

Wow, that's the first time I've posted the word 'shit' and it didn't get censored?... Steve???

Quote from: iggiv on Feb 28, 09:47 PM 2013
u will not win on a long run on repeaters. You will encounter a lot of waking up sleepers and those which hit one time and now hit again...If it was that simple, roulette would not be  a casino game by now...but You can win some from time to time...

to really win u gotta bet something more complex and on very short periods...

Remember folks, roulette is mathematically unbeatable game and must be treated as such...if u wanna win of course.

Hopefully we all know that Iggiv, but its good to reitterate that important fact.

I seem to do OK with repeaters, but you can see its "not on" if you check the marque and sit for a while. it just seems dead for repeaters. You get a feel for when they will happen. I look if the last number was a neighbour of an existing hit number, or a repeater. near misses are omens. Call me a crank.

Quote from: iggiv on Feb 28, 09:47 PM 2013

to really win u gotta bet something more complex and on very short periods...

Of course I cannot prove it  :-[ but I think betting something simple is the way to go  ;) I do agree on the shorts periods thought though. Play a couple of systems at once  ?

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 What do u mean by "something simple", ddarko? Outside bets? they are doomed for sure.

the fact is: if u for example bet always repeaters, there comes time (i will not tell u WHEN, but it will sooner or later),
when u will lose everything u got, starting encounters with waking up sleepers and 1-timers. The same goes for .
any other stiff pattern like that. U can try combining them though...or switching. This way u can do better.
It's up to you to test what i say. Just try it with no real money and you will see that on a long run i am right.
Roulette is working such a way as if it was looking for your "weak spots". if u bet always repeaters then sleepers and 1-timers are your weak spots, and u will surely get them hit pretty much sooner or later. You will see that on a long run it is not worth it.

Try to test yourself what i am telling u. On different wheels (RX) on some period of time.

When i tell those things i am absolutely sure that absolutely most of the guys will ignore them and will stick with "something simple". That kind of game goes for centuries, that's why we still have roulette in casinos. But if this info  helps one or two preferring "not going with the a flow", i will be glad.

Quote from: iggiv on Mar 01, 11:41 AM 2013
the fact is: if u for example bet always repeaters, there comes time (i will not tell u WHEN, but it will sooner or later),
when u will lose everything u got, starting encounters with waking up sleepers and 1-timers. The same goes for .
any other stiff pattern like that. You can try combining them though...or switching. This way You can do better.
It's up to you to test what i say. Just try it with no real money and you will see that on a long run i am right.
Roulette is working such a way as if it was looking for your "weak spots". if u bet always repeaters then sleepers and 1-timers are your weak spots, and u will surely get them hit pretty much sooner or later. You will see that on a long run it is not worth it.

Try to test yourself what i am telling u. On different wheels (RX) on some period of time.

Repeats do come in trends. I felt last night I jumped onto them and left them near on perfectly. You cant sit there doing repeats continuously. its a good idea though, as numbers do repeat. No one can argue with that.

To do a SAM style analogy, I live in Manchester, and it is renound for raining. All the comedians from down south mention raining in Manchester some time or another.
So you would bet on raining wouldnt you, but, some disruntled Mancunian, a person from Manchester (Manchester was Mancunium in Roman times) proved that Manchester had a rather ordinary rainfall compared to Cumbria and Scotland, even London. I would bet it will rain in Manchester if it was cloudy. thats a good indication it will rain.

I will bet a repeat will repeat again if I can tell what cloudy is in the Roulette world.

Thats what i am looking at. What are the signs that repeaters will repeat again

Gives me something to do and keeps me out of trouble. :thumbsup:

Repeats can stop as suddenly as they started, and on a long run there is no way to tell when it happens. That's a problem. Yes, u come to a period of lucky strikes and streaks, but unfortunately it ain't gonna last forever.
if u build your strategy on predicting lucky or bad streaks, it's not a way to win continously. I wish you good luck of course, buddy. But that's still about luck...

believing that u can predict something like this is almost like religious idea. There are no signs which will tell u this on a long run. There can be some kind of things u read as "signs", and they can repeat for some time and u may think u "got it", it happens all the time, it happened to me too. But then all crashes and u can see it's only randomness plays  evil games giving u signs of false hopes like for a traveler in a desert who thinks he is seeing an oasis...just to realize that this is just illusion...phantom...

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=_FmGtCIOwB4 (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=_FmGtCIOwB4)

Quote from: iggiv on Mar 01, 12:25 PM 2013
believing that You can predict something like this is almost like religious idea. There are no signs which will tell u this on a long run. There can be some kind of things u read as "signs", and they can repeat for some time and u may think u "got it", it happens all the time, it happened to me too. But then all crashes and You can see it's only randomness plays  evil games giving u signs of false hopes like for a traveler in a desert who thinks he is seeing an oasis...just to realize that this is just illusion...phantom...

link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=_FmGtCIOwB4 (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=_FmGtCIOwB4)

I know Iggiv...I really do know all this. Personally..I've learned the most about roulette, you may be surprised to know, from yourself. I take on board what you say.
Mr j learned me about betting with small amounts of chips, not neccessarily the stakes he uses.
I learn the biggest lessons from people I won't mention who don't bet accordingly and chase dreams. How not to play roulette, if you will.
VB...not sure. Computers predicting where the ball lands...not in the least interesting to me.
Talking a lot of maths never impressed me much either.
anyhow, you will be pleased to know i never had a bad day. I'm even. i lose £30, I win £50, i don't play for weeks with real money.
But i do totally and thoroughly enjoy going to the casino. its never a bad experience due to my MM and quiet bet selection.

Quote from: Skakus on Mar 01, 02:50 AM 2013

Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end.

::)

Skakus

That's the best laugh I've had in two days.  Thanks.  I'll spring that on my wife!  Then she'll know for sure I'm a Redneck!!

Sam

thanx Turner, i am glad u r doing well.

Quote from: Turner on Mar 01, 12:38 PM 2013
I know Iggiv...I really do know all this. Personally..I've learned the most about roulette, you may be surprised to know, from yourself. I take on board what you say.
Mr j learned me about betting with small amounts of chips, not neccessarily the stakes he uses.
I learn the biggest lessons from people I won't mention who don't bet accordingly and chase dreams. How not to play roulette, if you will.
VB...not sure. Computers predicting where the ball lands...not in the least interesting to me.
Talking a lot of maths never impressed me much either.
anyhow, you will be pleased to know i never had a bad day. I'm even. i lose £30, I win £50, i don't play for weeks with real money.
But i do totally and thoroughly enjoy going to the casino. its never a bad experience due to my MM and quiet bet selection.

Quote from: iggiv on Mar 01, 11:35 AM 2013
What do u mean by "something simple", ddarko? Outside bets? they are doomed for sure.

something that is easy to explain & easy to track  :thumbsup:

Outside bets are doomed you say ? well you are not the first VB/computer guy to say that & I doubt you will be the last.

I will stick with "something simple" thanks, I know you think you are helping but I just don't believe what your saying. I'm surprised you comment on "system" posts as I've never seen a post from either forum from you stating a system you have designed.

O0

In my opinion what i am doing is much better than offering losing systems/methods as do some here. But that's not for  everyone. That's for very few who understand and see my point. You don't have to believe me, i don't insist.
Good luck with your simple bets.

I know you are trying to do the right thing iggiv & of course in theory you are correct. I just think there IS a way that's all  :o

as 2cats once stated EVERYBODY thought ALL swans were white until that 1st black one appeared.

O0

no problem...everyone sticks to his opinion, nothing wrong with that...

Corbin hot cold lines, I think Proof put it up and Albertojonas gave some excellent input
I am unable to locate it now,it is a winner.

Corbin One: A Hot-And-Cold Lines System

Procedure: Track 12 spins. 
Separate into natural lines: 1-6, 7-12, 13-18, 19-24, 25-30, 31-36.

After 12 spins identify the hottest and coldest line.  Wait for a hit on either line, then start betting both lines with this progression: 1,1,1,2,2,2. 
Stop on a win.

To continue, use the last four spin-values and add new spin-values up to 12, repeat.

Quote from: ddarko on Mar 01, 01:45 PM 2013
I know you are trying to do the right thing iggiv & of course in theory you are correct. I just think there IS a way that's all  :o

as 2cats once stated EVERYBODY thought ALL swans were white until that 1st black one appeared.

O0

d

I'd totally forgotten that!!  Yes, I did say that.  Let's see---where's me brain?

Sam

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Mar 06, 12:44 AM 2013
Corbin One: A Hot-And-Cold Lines System

Procedure: Track 12 spins. 
Separate into natural lines: 1-6, 7-12, 13-18, 19-24, 25-30, 31-36.

After 12 spins identify the hottest and coldest line.  Wait for a hit on either line, then start betting both lines with this progression: 1,1,1,2,2,2. 
Stop on a win.

To continue, use the last four spin-values and add new spin-values up to 12, repeat.

Hey proof,
Thanks for the method, i will have a look for a tracker.


Happy to see the community alive in this thread. That`s the spirit!

Regards,
Alex

Quote from: probasah on Mar 08, 08:45 PM 2013
Hey proof,
Thanks for the method, i will have a look for a tracker.

You're welcome Alex  :thumbsup:

Actually I've updated Corbin One (The above was from years ago.)

Corbin 1.1   

Procedure: Track 12 spins. 
Separate into natural lines: 1-6, 7-12, 13-18, 19-24, 25-30, 31-36.

After 12 spins identify the hottest and coldest line. 
(If there is a tie for coldest line, bet least recently hit). 
(If there is a tie for hottest line, bet most recently hit).

*If there is a tie between two lines that have not hit in 12 spins, revolve
the spins (new number in, 13th number out) until you have only one unhit line.

Wait for a hit on either line, then start betting both
lines with this progression: 1,1,1,2,2,2.  Stop on a win.

To continue, use the last four spin-values
and add new spin-values up to 12, repeat.

Bankroll suggestion: 300 units per one
unit base bet, 600 unit per two unit base...

Win-Target/Stop-Loss: +10%/-50% of original bankroll amount.