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The last time I tried to upload a file to this site it failed -- twice.  >:(

So here's a SAFE link to get DNA Of Roulette:  link:://:.sendspace.com/file/zqs0jy (link:://:.sendspace.com/file/zqs0jy)

(The link expires in a few days so don't wait too long.)

I look forward to members' opinions.

The author says he intends producing software for the method.

But three unanswered emails to him suggest to me that perhaps one of our forum programmers might like to produce something for us.

It will certainly make testing much easier.

Warnings:  

If English IS NOT your first language you might find reading this PDF quite difficult.

If English IS your first language you will find this PDF quite challenging in places!

Additional Warning:

When you arrive on the page scroll down to find the DOWNLOAD button

Avoid clicking other things 'cos they want to display adverts to you!

[Sorry about that, but not sure how else to get the file to you at the moment]

Thanks esoito. As you say, not an easy read in places, but at least the author gives his email address.

I really have to learn how to code.
There is a lot of request for coding, I think it would be very helpful for the forum if we could get some more programmers.

I will do my best to be able to help in the future  :thumbsup:

Quote from: esoito on Sep 11, 07:52 PM 2010
The last time I tried to upload a file to this site it failed -- twice.  >:(

So here's a SAFE link to get DNA Of Roulette:  link:://:.sendspace.com/file/zqs0jy (link:://:.sendspace.com/file/zqs0jy)

(The link expires in a few days so don't wait too long.)

I look forward to members' opinions.

The author says he intends producing software for the method.

But three unanswered emails to him suggest to me that perhaps one of our forum programmers might like to produce something for us.

It will certainly make testing much easier.

Warnings:  

If English IS NOT your first language you might find reading this PDF quite difficult.

If English IS your first language you will find this PDF quite challenging in places!

Thanks for the link.

I just read through it rather quickly.  It does sound interesting, and like you said, a little difficult to comprehend. 

Will take some real study to fully understand what he's trying to tell us.

Maybe we can get a group of us to put our heads together and see if we can crack this egg.  We'll find out if it's full of gold or just rotten egg.

Cheers,

George

I've read through the document.

I understand the basic idea for the bets.

There are a few calculations, switching from 1 style of bet selection to another, entry values, etc... that is a little confusing.

This will take a few readings and then some testing to get a reasonable handle on it.

I don't understand all the math in the intro, but I don't see why it's necessary to understand to be able to play the system.

This is going to take a while.

Is anybody else interested?  Or is there not enough evidence that this is a possible winning system to warrant the effort? 

This is where I am.  Not thoroughly convinced but willing to at least devote some time to it.  If nothing else, it'll present a different way of looking at roulette strategies.

G

This looks interesting.  I don't understand how the EV is being calculated.  Seems like there is an error.  Also look at table 9 spin 6 how did he get a +5 under "Net Spin Surplus"?

Quote from: dennisbelle on Sep 12, 07:34 PM 2010
This looks interesting.  I don't understand how the EV is being calculated.  Seems like there is an error.  Also look at table 9 spin 6 how did he get a +5 under "Net Spin Surplus"?

DB,

I think, from the footnote, that he's calculating how he would have done had he actually bet the dozens and columns instead of betting on the zero for those 2 spins.  That's why he has them shown in red.  Best guess only.

For those of you who haven't taken the time to read this pdf, and just to give you a snippit of what he's proprosing, here's how he decides what to bet.

Observe 3 spins.  Record + and - for both the dozens and the columns.  If a doz or col repeats, that's a +, if there's a change that's a -.  Of course there will be more -s the +s.

Observe the third spin.  If it is a minus, go back 2 spins and this determines what you bet.  If it's a - the you bet 1 units on both dozens other than the dozen that spun last.  If it's a + then you bet 2 units for the last dozen to repeat.

He calls it P1AM2A = Plus look 1 Above Minus look 2 Above 

Do the same thing for the columns.

If a zero shows you bet 1 unit on it for the next 2 spins.  No bets on the table other than the 1 unit on the zeros..

That's all for now.

Cheers,

G           

GLC,
   Thanks I believe you are right, I didn't see that in the first read.   My other question is looking at both tables 8 & 9 under the heading "Net Spin Surplus", when I add the numbers in this column and compare to the total in the "Entry Check column",  the sums match some times (not always) but the grand total at the bottom is correct.  I am not clear why all the sums don't match?
Dennis

Quote from: dennisbelle on Sep 12, 09:58 PM 2010
GLC,
   Thanks I believe you are right, I didn't see that in the first read.   My other question is looking at both tables 8 & 9 under the heading "Net Spin Surplus", when I add the numbers in this column and compare to the total in the "Entry Check column",  the sums match some times (not always) but the grand total at the bottom is correct.  I am not clear why all the sums don't match?
Dennis

DB,

The Entry Check column is the sum of only the last 5 Net Spin Surplus, not the total of all the past spin surpluses.

G

He says here (link:://quazen.com/games/gambling/do-roulette-systems-really-work/2/) (scroll down to the end of the page to read the comments) that he's developing software for the system. That comment was posted in May, but I couldn't see any reference to any software on his website.

My only other comment is that he refers to the "law of the third" as an "inexplicable phenomenon", but there's nothing inexplicable about it, it's just a consequence of the fact that as more unique numbers are hit, then the chance to hit a number which has already hit increases. It strikes me as odd for someone who is supposedly writing a book about "Strategy and Decision Optimization Under Conditions of Uncertainty" to be so ignorant regarding basic probability. But anyway, I will email the author to enquire about the software.

"The Entry Check column is the sum of only the last 5 Net Spin Surplus, not the total of all the past spin surpluses"  Thanks again GLC that clears up my confusion. 
Dennis

@ Bayes:  "But anyway, I will email the author to enquire about the software."

Good luck with that!!!

I've emailed him THREE times about that with no reply ever received.  :(

Hopefully you'll be more successful than I.

If you are, please advise his reply.

bump....

I know it's a challenging read but please can we have some more opinions?

I had a reply from the author:

QuoteI was rather busy with my academic work and was unable to go to the Casino for a few weeks. However, I randomly accessed the London based Smartlive Casino 30 times and observed conformity with a reasonable return. Now the Smartlive Casino does not allow me to play on the freeplay mode, which implies that they know the system is working. As I sign on from my home computer, they deny the access. So, I only observe and make computations.

The software product will take a little time.

and:

QuoteFrom the comments posted to the discussion forum, I observe that the members are using an older version of my book. The further simplified and the latest 5th edition is downloadable from my website :.neworiginalthinking.com (link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com). There is no wagering on zero on the latest version and there is a inverse recovery strategy in regard to decision escalations.

Also, some members have commented on the law of the third. What I have found is that it is driven by a linear equation and it is a generic formula. For example, when X = 37 it is roulette. When X = 21 it is relevant to the Craps table. Nobody upto now has derived the mathematical equation and I am the first person who has done it.

Once you master the coding, it takes only a few seconds. The most important thing is remembering the table layout.

Please post a comment on behalf of me for the members to download the latest edition and also for the forum administrators to make the latest version available to the members.

I haven't had time to test or code this yet, still playing catch-up.

I've just read the latest edition

WoW that's a tough read (for me anyway LoL)

I'm not sure I fully understand it all, and don't want to go off half c***ed and sink without trace  ???

George and Baines and everyone else who is or has read it, please share your opinions once you have consumed the latest edition  :thumbsup:


link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/HP_Link_1.html (link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/HP_Link_1.html)


Cheers guys

My opinion is this:

I'm afraid of investing a lot of time, energy and patience in decoding the methodology only to eventually find a lack of profitability. (Been there, done that so many times before...sound familiar?)

Therefore, the sooner it can be coded -- either by the author or some kind forum member -- the better, so that we can then test it more easily.

Been there, done that so many times before...sound familiar?


Very !

Guys, same old story.   

I have coded the bet selection, without the EV since in manual testing it didn't appear to make a blind bit of difference to the end result.   

While I can't remember the ins and outs of the system, it lost at the expected rate.     A member from another forum passed me the system some time last year.     We managed to contact the author about it, who seemed convinced that he had devsied something fantastic.     He's quite an intelligent man but obviously he knows nothing about randomness - what his system is based on, the actual reason he gives for it winning, is speculative and theoretical at best - moreover, there is simple no way his bet selection procedure takes advantage of short-term patterns (probably because they don't exist).    As I recall the bet is actually very easy to understand once you get the hang of it, but is no more effective than closing your eyes and scattering your chips all over the table.     

Interesting post.

And welcome to our forum  :thumbsup:

The author emailed me yesterday and I quote:

Dear Max,

We just recommenced the software developent (sic) a few hours ago. It shoud (sic) be up within about 3 weeks.

Best Regards

Don

Not sure if it will be freeware or payware but, if it eventuates, then testing will be made much easier.

And testing will have to be with LIVE spins, of course, because that's what he used to develop his methodology.

Dangle (love the name -- is he related to Droop?) you didn't mention if your tests were on real or simulated (RNG) spins.

Ah, well, I should point out that I first read this thread a few weeks ago but never got round to responding.  I forgot he was developing software.  Despite my testimony I should think people will still want to test it.  Unfortunately I don't have the simulation I myself wrote, it was lost when I replaced my PC.

On another note, I did find it curious to see the differences between his test with real dealer spins and RNG.  However, I doubt there's anything conclusive in it since the sample he used was small, too small really for a full test.  Upon the request of my "partner" I wrote a sim for American roulette, and that test was done with live spins.  The results were pretty miserable as I recall.  Actually, my mate was quite disgused.  I think he felt "Don" had spun him a bit of a yarn.  I really have no opinion.  We tested the system and found it a failure.  It's not the first and won't be the last.

As you say, dangle (short pause for a titter)  folk will want to do their own testing.

Hopefully his software will have an import function for testing over several thousand spins...the more the merrier, of course.

I suspect Don is pretty genuine. After all, he has a very public profile in several academic and corporate arenas which help him earn his daily bread.

Surely he would not want to compromise his reputation with anything that's not above board ...would he?

And it's free, after all. (So no ripoff involved.)

I'm not suggesting he's up to anything sinister.  Far from it, actually.  We found him to be an amiable and very helpful guy.  What I'm saying is, he seemed overly convinced that he had, or has, cracked the game.  I mean we spent quite a bit of time learning his system and swapping emails, but in the end, when we did a full simulation, the thing didn't perform any better than expected. 

The problem is, Don's theories are unproven and, in fact, you can easily disprove them in a roulette context without doing any testing whatsoever.  Short term patterns either exist in totality or they don't exist at all.  Since every combination of defined length has the same odds of occurring, then every observed permutation is either a pattern or it isn't.  While this is a debatable subject, either way, there can be no advantage gained because all bets are equal and the house always has the payouts on its side. 

As I've commented in a previous post, my impression on reading the system document and his website are that he doesn't really know what he's talking about with regard to probability theory. For example, on this page: link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/DesMaking/law-of-the-third.html (link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/DesMaking/law-of-the-third.html)
he says:

QuoteThe practical implications of this equation is that it enables predictability of occurrence of immediate future outcomes based on the past observations in repeated independent and mutually exclusive random events.

This is a contradiction, because if events are independent you can't possibly predict future outcomes based on past observations of them - part of the very meaning of 'independent' is that the events have no 'memory'. Furthermore, he doesn't seem to know what 'mutually exclusive' means either, if he did he would understand that independent events can't be mutually exclusive.

Also, he talks as though he has discovered some new relationship regarding the 'law of the third', referring to the equation as 'Colonne's value'. I don't mean to be harsh, but this is simply nonsense. The relationship is a simple consequence of the geometric distribution and has been explored in a thread by 'bliss' in a post on VLS (see 'Some math, and the law of the third' in the reference section).

This, together with the overly complicated explanation of his system, hasn't exactly filled me with a burning desire to test it, grandiose claims not withstanding. dangle's results only confirm what I suspected all along, but still, I'll give the software a trial if it ever materializes.

"Furthermore, he doesn't seem to know what 'mutually exclusive' means either, if he did he would understand that independent events can't be mutually exclusive."

But surely, (scratches head) events that are independent are, by definition, 'mutually exclusive'...?

I mean, they're hardly 'mutually inclusive' -- if you get my drift.  ;)

Hi esoito,

If two events are mutually exclusive, it means they cannot occur together. So, for example the event of both the ball landing on a red number and the event of it landing on a black number cannot occur on the same spin. If one event excludes the other, there must be a dependence between them - ie; they are not independent. Don says: "...in repeated independent and mutually exclusive random events." Presumably by "independent" he is referring to the fact that knowing the result of any outcome gives no clue to the next, but by adding "mutually exclusive" he contradicts himself, because if outcomes were mutually exclusive, then you would have a clue to the next outcome, ie; you would exclude the outcome that just occurred.

"If one event excludes the other, there must be a dependence between them - ie; they are not independent."


Ah. Through a glass darkly...Yes, I see what you mean.

I hadn't thought of it that way before.

Well explained. Thank you.

Well, I have to say that his terminology is quite tortuous.  Roulette is not as complicated as Don makes it out to be.  Though, his theories are sugar-coated with ostensibly logical arguments, or arguments that do, at least, sound impressive.  It would be nice to have some evidence to believe in, but there is none and, to me, it makes the author sound moderately deluded (or clueless).  I think the person that initially gave me the system was quite taken in by it all, but ultimately it turned out to be a lot of chaff.

people i did spend a bit of time on this..

It works when the wheels spinning lots of positives, bit hard to keep track of, and when its on the negative it's bad.

either way i tried this an failed, it looks good but i couldn't get it to work for me

If something is good it works for everybody

Hmmm...thanks for all the replies.

It's starting to look as though the author's claims, versus users' opinions, are poles apart!!

If the software eventuates it will make thorough testing a lot easier...

I had another email from Don, enclosing the very latest Vegas Buster!  :D

This version of the system is for inside numbers.

Hi All,

This is the reply I had from Don this morning after asking him when he will be creating the software for his "DNA of Roulette" system.

"Try out my attached latest book "Ruin the City of Las Vegas" which does not have any calculations and meant for continuous inside wagering. The returns are five times more and it outperforms all internet casions as well on all modes of spinnning. The original data tables are now available in my website :.neworiginalthinking.com (link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com). for the first time.

Most importantly, provide me with feedback on this new system which is much more user frinendly and five times more effective than the earlier system, in regard to return on investment.

Please conctact me if you need any clarifications. One small inquiry, which country are you from?

Best Regards and Best of Luck

Don"

This guy is pretty sure of himself, I have not looked at this yet has anyone here looked yet?

Thanks

malcop

"...has anyone here looked yet?"

Yes.

I looked at it. Scratched my head. Looked at it again.

And then swore at the language used to explain his steps.

Why can't the man write in clear, simple English?

If he'd provided some examples I might have understood his explanations better.

Frankly, I gave up trying to understand it.

Hopefully someone can explain it more simply than he is able to!

Quote from: esoito on Oct 18, 05:05 AM 2010
"...has anyone here looked yet?"

Yes.

I looked at it. Scratched my head. Looked at it again.

And then swore at the language used to explain his steps.

Why can't the man write in clear, simple English?

If he'd provided some examples I might have understood his explanations better.

Frankly, I gave up trying to understand it.

Hopefully someone can explain it more simply than he is able to!

That's funny you said that, I replied to his email by asking could he give step by step examples of him playing a session for both his systems, so that we could understand the correct way to play his systems.

I do think the problem is a language problem, and he is making the classic mistake in both his manuals, making the assumption that everyone understands what he is saying without giving lots of working examples.

Yes, a "language problem" indeed, Malcop.

Both his tortured syntax and extensive footnoting suggest it is more an academic paper than a man-in-the-street exposition of what is, basically, The Law of The Third.

Hopefully he'll rise to the occasion and offer you some examples you could share here...maybe he will...if there's a  z  in the month...

Let's not hold our breath.

Quote from: esoito on Oct 18, 08:07 AM 2010
Yes, a "language problem" indeed, Malcop.

Both his tortured syntax and extensive footnoting suggest it is more an academic paper than a man-in-the-street exposition of what is, basically, The Law of The Third.

Hopefully he'll rise to the occasion and offer you some examples you could share here...maybe he will...if there's a  z  in the month...

Let's not hold our breath.

I'm in the process of studying the data sheets that come with both systems from his website, slowly I think I'm getting it, once I'm 100% sure I got it I will post my findings here.

Their is quit a lot of info in the data sheets that comes with the ebooks, and with a little study of the sessions played, should not be to hard to figure things out.

@ Malcop

How do you interpret his phrase "distinct numbers" ?

It's a key term that he didn't seem to define very clearly (well, not to me he didn't)

Quote from: esoito on Oct 18, 07:23 PM 2010
@ Malcop

How do you interpret his phrase "distinct numbers" ?

It's a key term that he didn't seem to define very clearly (well, not to me he didn't)

Hi esoito,

I interpret "distinct numbers" as numbers that have not come up, this is how I figured it out.

I noticed that when I looked at the data sheets at the end of each session for DNA I noticed the title "DISTINCT NUMBERS / FIRST 24" next to that was a figure like 17, 18, 19 or 20 ect.

So I thought that must be the "distinct numbers" he refers to in step 1, to confirm this I wrote out 0 to 36 on a piece of paper, then went back to the top of the sheet and crossed of the numbers that came up in A1 to A24 which equates to spin 1 to 24, then I counted the reaming numbers on my piece of paper and noticed that the numbers left related to the "distinct numbers" that the author talked about.

Once I figured that out the rest just sort of fell into place, I then got three pieces of paper and labelled them as per his instructions.

I have not done any testing yet I will be doing some today.

Hope you can follow how I interpreted his instructions.

30 years of wading through computer technical manuals  :)

Thanks

malcop

Thank you, Malcop.

That's very kind to go to all this trouble explaining. You did it very well.

A shame the author couldn't be more explicit...

Anyway, your testing will be interesting.

And -- as an aside -- I wonder if he will continue his software, given that he seems to think this method is more profitable.

Hi esoito,


I don't think he will be doing the software it would have been done by now!

This is a email from him today

"DNA of Roulette involves mathematical inputs to detect the winning streak emerging. However, Ruin the City of Las Vegas is less complicated and there are no calculations involved except counting.

So, my advise to you is to go for that. In fact you seem to have got tired in understanding the DNA of Roulette. Do not bother.

Best Regards

Don"

He seems to take offence very easily by someone wanting step by step examples of a played session, I pointed out to him that if he could provide that he would have a wider audience of people tying/using his systems, needless to say I'm still waiting for his response, I won't be holing my breath!

Thanks

malcop

Oh dear. He's seems to identify so closely with his creation that any overt or veiled criticism of it he takes personally!

It's a fairly common phenomenon.

I'm not surprised about the demise of the software.

Anyway, onwards and upwards with testing his latest offering. I look forward to your thoughts.

Hi esoito,

I'm verry sorry I made a mistake, I had only been up about 20 when I made the post on my interpertaion of the instrucions, and it was 04:20 in the morning  :-[


Here Is what I think is the correct way:

"STEP 1:
Observe the last 24 consecutive spin outcomes and identify the distinct numbers by marking them on the reverse side of a recording card (Card 1)."

Our last 24 spins whent like this:

First: 29, 5, 36, 26, 22, 29, 12, 20, 29, 9, 6, 11, 32, 26, 33, 25, 4, 14, 33, 14, 9, 2, 4, 3 :Last

Our Distent mumbers that we mark on the reverse side of (Card 1) would be First: 29, 5, 36, 26, 22, 12, 20, 9, 6, 11, 32, 33, 25, 4, 14, 2, 3 :Last

Note: at first I thought that if a number repeated like the 29, 9, 33, 26, 4 and 14 that they were excluded but then that made the numbers used not the same as Dons, I have noted that sometimes my count is out by one compared to the data sheet, I put that down to an error on the sheet.

"STEP 2:
Observe the last 11 consecutive numbers from the numbers used in Step 1 and identify the distinct numbers by marking them on the reverse side of a different recording card (Card 2)."

Based of our 18 numbers we put on the reverse of (Card 1) we now use the last 11 of those numbers to mark on the reverse of (Card 2) which would be First: 9, 6, 11, 32, 26, 33, 25, 4, 14, 2, 3 :Last

Once againg sorry of any confusion caused.

Thanks

malcop

Here are emails I had from Don this Morning, they helped to clear up all my questions about the system.

I find if a system creater is willing to talk and help with questions it gives me more confidence in the system, does not mean it is a longterm winner just that the creater has faith in his/her system and at least that is a start.

Email 1:
"Thank you for the feedback. All what you require is just one page elaborating on how to do it. What we do here is we identify the (distinct) uniuqe numbers present among the last 24 spins and repeat wagering only for that set of numbers for the next 13 consecutive spins. Then we repeat the process.

In order to ensure continuity, at the outset, we mark the unique numbers present among the last 11 numbers on a seperate card and the new unique numbers occuring during the 13 consecutive spins mentioned above to the second card. So, by the time we finish the first 13 spins, the second card will indicate the unique numbers among the last 24 consecutive spins (11+13=24) to commence wagering for the nexst 13 consecutive spins.

As the second session commences, from the 3rd spin and onwards (we mark the last 11 consecutive spins in the second session), we start marking the third card and add the new unique numbers occuring during the second session onto the third card. So by the time you finish the second session, you are ready to commence the third session comprising the next 13 consecutive spins using the third card.

And it can be continued until you decide to quit. Please study the data sheets in my website.

Best regards and best of luck.

Don"


Email 2:
"Hi Don,

Our last 24 spins whent like this:

First: 29, 5, 36, 26, 22, 29, 12, 20, 29, 9, 6, 11, 32, 26, 33, 25, 4, 14, 33, 14, 9, 2, 4, 3 :Last

Our Distinct mumbers that we mark on the reverse side of (Card 1) would be First: 29, 5, 36, 26, 22, 12, 20, 9, 6, 11, 32, 26, 33, 25, 4, 14, 2, 3 :Last

Have I got the above correct?

Thanks"


Email 3:
"Why not all the interested players come down to Colombo for a holiday. It is one of the best and cheapest destinations. I will teach all of you everything.

Best Regards

Don"


Email 4:(this was in response to Email 2, I had made a typo and entered 26 twice for the numbers to wright on the reverse side of Card 1)

"You are absolutely right, except for you have repeated 26 twice. So, you will be wagering for this set of 17 numbers for the next 13 consecutive spins.

However, if you are an online player, refrain from wagering on the auto-spin mode and resort to the live spin mode. Sri Lanka's MGM casino has a online live spin mode so as the london based Smart Live Casino.

The system works well on computer simulated programs, provided that the casino is reliable.

I cannot explain as to why the returns are low on (still positive) on the auto-spin mode.

Best Regards

Don"
I Found it intresting what Don said about using the auto spin mode when playing RNG, that would have been the logical thing to do, set it up for 13 spins, glad he pointed that out.

Hope this helps.

Thanks

malcop

Malcop,

Maybe I am misreading it, But I think what Don is saying is that playing on live wheels and trusted RNG is fine, but to avoid the auto wheels (they are the 'real physical wheels' but without the croupier) It is interesting he says this. I have personally thought for a while now that these auto wheels are a completely different kettle of fish compared to anything else.
One thing I have noticed in a lot of testing is that sleeper systems tend to go wrong very quickly. However, if you think about it, Don's system is based on the law of the third, so if sleeper systems do not perform up to scratch, law of the third methods should be great.
So either something is wrong here or we are both paranoid after getting negative results.
One thing that I always like to take into account is that the casinos don't generally do anything to favour the player. A lot of these type of machines are slowly creeping their way in the door of casinos. It maybe mostly to do with cost effectiveness, however, my advice would be to avoid these machines if you possibly can.

@ flukey
You wrote:
"...my advice would be to avoid these machines if you possibly can."

Not saying you're wrong but why avoid these airball machines? I would've thought they're more random than croupier wheels.

I'm interested in your reasons only if they're based on facts and not just a gut feeling!

Quote from: esoito on Oct 19, 08:14 AM 2010
I'm interested in your reasons only if they're based on facts and not just a gut feeling!

A 'gut feeling' can be worth a lot more than 'so called' facts in the gambling world.  Some will agree, some will disagree.  :thumbsup:

Quote from: flukey luke on Oct 19, 06:58 AM 2010
Malcop,

Maybe I am misreading it, But I think what Don is saying is that playing on live wheels and trusted RNG is fine, but to avoid the auto wheels (they are the 'real physical wheels' but without the croupier) It is interesting he says this. I have personally thought for a while now that these auto wheels are a completely different kettle of fish compared to anything else.
One thing I have noticed in a lot of testing is that sleeper systems tend to go wrong very quickly. However, if you think about it, Don's system is based on the law of the third, so if sleeper systems do not perform up to scratch, law of the third methods should be great.
So either something is wrong here or we are both paranoid after getting negative results.
One thing that I always like to take into account is that the casinos don't generally do anything to favour the player. A lot of these type of machines are slowly creeping their way in the door of casinos. It maybe mostly to do with cost effectiveness, however, my advice would be to avoid these machines if you possibly can.

Hi fluky,

You could be right, it just that he has data sheets for COL Bellagio(2009), SLC Autospin(2009), SLC Autospin(2009) and SLC Simulated(2009) which I took simulated for RNG.

Anway now I fully understand the rules to this system I can do some testing/playing later.

Thanks

malcop

Hi All,

I had an email this morning from Don the author of DNA of Roulette & Ruin of Las Vagas.

Don has asked me to share this email with the group.

"Dear Colleagues from all over the World,


I was testing the second book in the real environment and found that the actual returns are much less than the returns I got on the spread sheets. When I rechecked my data sheets again I realized that I have igonrantly disregarded the possibility of a number appearing for the first time  within a playing session comprising 13 consecutive spins (which is not among the distinct numbers present during the last 24 consecutive spins) could repeat within the same 13 spins. The actual returns are still positive but marginal and it is not worth the time spent and the investment risk. Thus, I decided to withdraw the second book. However, it was an eye-opener for other researchers to come up with a strategy to use the Law of the Third, of which I have discovered the underlying mathematical equation.

In order to compensate for this, I will defenitely develop and upload the software package to test the System Colonne using the strategy P1AM2A stipulated in the book titled "DNA of Roulette" within the month of November.

I deeply regret any inconvenience caused to any of the users of the second book. Also, I will ensure that all you gentleman become millionaires within the months to come because the first book is quite rigoruosly tested by me and it is highly effective.

Thank you for the excellent support extended to me by taking my work forward.

Also, I hereby request either Mr. Esoito or Mr. Malcolm to upload this e-mail onto the roulette discussion forum on my work.

Best Regards

Don"

Well what can I say you don't find honesty like that very often!

I had already not decide to learn DNA not because I made losses with Ruin but given the choice of 92 units per session or 15 units per session I know what I would prefer.

It looks like revision 5 is more stable than the earlier revision we will see.

All the best.

malcop

Hi All,

Just giving you another update:

"Dear Philip,

Thank you so much for the understanding, I will not disappoint you this time by delaying the software package.

By copy to Dulan (my nephew and IT software support), I wish to make a request to recommence the writing of the program, as the whole world is awaiting it.

Best Regards

Don"

So with any luck we should have the software soon!

Thanks

malcop

You beat me to it, Malcop  ;) 

In reading his same email to me I too was impressed by his honesty about his flawed 'Vegas' offering.

And by his willingness to proceed with his software for his original DNA of Roulette which, on the face of it, seems to be successful and profitable. (Seems being the operative word)

Testing with the software, tipped for release in November, will confirm or deny what is at the least, an interesting approach.

With bated breath I await what could be an interesting ride...

Quote from: esoito on Oct 23, 06:59 PM 2010
You beat me to it, Malcop  ;) 

In reading his same email to me I too was impressed by his honesty about his flawed 'Vegas' offering.

And by his willingness to proceed with his software for his original DNA of Roulette which, on the face of it, seems to be successful and profitable. (Seems being the operative word)

Testing with the software, tipped for release in November, will confirm or deny what is at the least, an interesting approach.

With bated breath I await what could be an interesting ride...

Hi esoito,

I agree it could be an interesting ride.

What needs to be done is forget all the stuff in the manual about the reasoning behind the system and just concentrate on the rules of the system.

That's the approach I'm taking to this project anyway.

Thanks

malcop

I've just received an email and Don included this snippet about the software:

"Also, I went to meet my nephew, the software developer yesterday to restructure the webpages and he promised to have the program available by 15th November to be tested. "


The testing he refers to is here internal beta-testing to ensure it's OK before uploading it to his site for general release.

So things are moving along...

Quote from: esoito on Oct 24, 03:34 AM 2010
I've just received an email and Don included this snippet about the software:

"Also, I went to meet my nephew, the software developer yesterday to restructure the webpages and he promised to have the program available by 15th November to be tested. "


The testing he refers to is here internal beta-testing to ensure it's OK before uploading it to his site for general release.

So things are moving along...

Thanks for the update.

Just returned from some successful travels and have noticed the discussion wrt DNA of Roulette. I have been familiar with this work for some time now and communication with the writer has always been excellent. He is a dedicated, well educated and genuine man who wishes also to help his community in Sri Lanka.

His ideas overlap with regard to the 'matrix' theory work on the CommonSense1968 thread.

One of the problems that the DNA theory encountered was that it was engineered to a very limited sample of numbers. It worked well with those of course but not to a greater random distribution.

This is always the problem with limited data and why the use of 30 samples of 100 spins from a random selection of dates and genuine sources is essential.

There is also an over complication of rules with the DNA work which given a better method would not be necessary. The player may be put under great stress to play this method live. Errors can creep in.

Nevertheless the writer is on to something and I would encourage all readers to overview this method with the matrix thread and use the same terminolgy - keep it simple!!!

There was also a discussion with regard to machine airball results.

It has been my experience that live dealers produce a 'rougher' and 'less pure' random generation of numbers than computer random generation which becomes very pure and as is also the case with any generation where a live dealer is not involved.

Thus the clustering of results live is very different from computer generated play. This is based on many years of live play from professional players versus data generated from super computers to which I have had access.

Of course you never have enough spins and theer are cycles within cycles but I have three times live seen a number repeated 6 times - and I know which I would rather play to my advantage.

Hope this may help.

XXVV

@XXW
You wrote: "Hope this may help."

Thank you very much for your interesting and helpful post. All insights gratefully received.

Yes, the more interaction I have with Don the more I realise what a genuine chap he is.

His pending software will, of course, be a great help to those of us who would like to follow up on his interesting method.

I've just had this informative update from Don:

Dear Max,

I see a very interesting posting onto our discussion forum and I wish to clarify two points.

In order to validate something statistically, the minimum required is 30 samples. This is the rationale of testing the system with 30 samples.

If you examine the data tables, you see a very fair distribution of all categories, both inside and outside.

In regard to the user friendliness, I would put this as one of the easiest to play in the real environment, as the table is right in front of you (nevertheless, I have the table layout in my mind so I do not look at the physical table).

Coding the +/- can be done under 5 seconds, net spin outcome can be calculated within another 5 seconds as it is just one of the five values (+8, +5, +2, -1, -4) by wagering chips imaginarily on the table and comparing with the actual outcome on the same.

Then calculating the EV is another simple effort which takes another 5 seconds and if you make a mistake you will always realize it.

The range of EV is between +40 and -20 and 99% of the readings come within the range +13 and -14.

The only possible EVs within that range are +13, +10, +7, +4, +1, -2, -5, -8, -11 and -14. If you get any other value as EV, there is a calculation mistake associated with the last five spins somewhere.

It is a fine control to ensure the accuracy of your EV calculations. When you keep doing this, you automatically get familiar with it and you can work like a computer. 

When I go to the real environment, the average time it takes between two spins is about 3 minutes and I take my next wagering decision within 20 seconds.

No sooner the dozens are paid off and cleared by the dealers, I keep my four chips in the correct places for the next spin and enjoy the courtesies of the casino such as food and snaks.

However, my advise is to refrain from consuming liquor while you play, which makes a person highly vulnerable to make a technical error.

Our casinos are extremely generous as they serve liquor, snaks (sic), bites as well as the meals absolutely free of charge.
 
So, when you master this, there is absolutely no effort involved and the stress level is zero. I do not think that any system would make you feel more comfortable than that.

The biggest problem with very busy tables is that it takes around 3-4 minutes for the dealers to clear the table and it is quite boring to wait.

However, my experience is that longer the time it takes between spins, higer the predictablility is. I wish that I could demonstrate how to do it to all of you.

Even after I upload my software product, you all can test but the casino would not allow you to take a laptop there! So, upon testing and if convinced, still you got to practice the manual process in the real environment.

Please upload the contents of this e-mail. 

Best Regards

Don


NB:  Regarding his penultimate paragraph: 

I pointed out that as there are online, live casinos (he seems unaware of that) then that is where the testing, focus and application of his software will firmly lie.

We don't want him to think he's wasting his time on producing the software, do we?!

Thanks for the update.

I have been busy this week but as soon as I have some free time I will be trying to figure this system out.

Would someone be able to get a copy of the pdf to me please?
To my email address  gun51inger008@yahoo.co.uk
Id like to take a look
Thank you.

You can get it and the data files from here: link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/dna-of-roulette.html (link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/dna-of-roulette.html)

Quote from: malcop on Oct 27, 02:23 PM 2010
You can get it and the data files from here: link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/dna-of-roulette.html (link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/dna-of-roulette.html)

Thanks i have done that now  :thumbsup:

Hi All,

I finally got around to learning the "DNA of Roulette" system, so far my test have been similar to the data sheets Don has provided.

I have emailed Don for clarification on two matters the Critical Spin (CS) rule and the Zero exit rule.

Apart from those two questions everything else is pretty straight forward, I stopped recording the Entry Conditions, near the end of the session because it is only really needed if you intend to play another session straight after your current session as long as it ends positive.

Like anything else n life this is one of those things that seemed really difficult but as you progress and use it more it becomes pretty straight forward, and I agree with the author your speed would get faster the more you play.

As a finale note this system looks more difficult in the manual than it really is.

I will play some low stake sessions today and post them here.

Thanks

malcop

Hi All,

Hear is a session played for real money, I ended the session at +6, I exited the session and did not place the next set of bets because I interpreted the CS rule that I should not make the bet.

Hope you are all finding this useful.

Thanks

malcop

Another session for you ended +10

Hello Malcop.
It is good of you to post your results up. Early days, but they look encouraging.
I agree with what you were saying about the complexity of a system. Anything slightly different sometimes takes a while to get your head around it, but once you fully understand something and after a bit of testing, it can become almost second nature.
Good luck with any further testing.  :thumbsup:

@Malcop
Superb work you're doing. Good man :thumbsup:

Look, I hate to ask this of you, but I know it's desperately needed if folk are going to be able to use DNA properly:

When you have a moment could you kindly post a simplified, step-by-step explanation of how to use it? A simplified version that all can follow? 

That would be a wonderful gesture and ensure Don's work won't go to waste in its current, hard-to-follow-for-most-people form.

Much depends on your time and energy, of course, so we'll understand if you're not able to do this.

Hope you don't mind me asking, though.

Hi esoito,

I will try and put something together this weekend but it would probably be quicker if people just asked questions in this thread.

I'm still waiting for the author to get back to me with a couple of questions I.

Thanks

malcop

Quote from: malcop on Oct 29, 08:41 AM 2010
Hi esoito,

I will try and put something together this weekend but it would probably be quicker if people just asked questions in this thread.

I'm still waiting for the author to get back to me with a couple of questions I.

Thanks

malcop

A step by step would be really helpful :)
Thanks Malcop

Quote from: A3on on Oct 29, 01:41 PM 2010
A step by step would be really helpful :)
Thanks Malcop

I will try but remember I'm still learning the system  :)

Still, wonderful work on your test sessions ^^

Quote from: malcop on Oct 29, 08:41 AM 2010
Hi esoito,

I will try and put something together this weekend but it would probably be quicker if people just asked questions in this thread.

That's great!  VERY kind of you. Both I, and others I'm sure, will be very grateful indeed for your explanatory steps.

Thank you so much for considering the request.



I'm still waiting for the author to get back to me with a couple of questions I.

Thanks

malcop

Hi All,

The Author got back to me about the CS rule, and after a few emails back and forth it tourned out that the rule could be simply explained like this.

"If you are one bet away from the target of +9 and you lose that bet exit the session"

It's funny I have been using this rule for a long time with any target based system because I found a lot of the time what would have ended in a positive session turned negative trying to chase those few more points hitting your target!

But the way the author worded it made it seem more complicated than it really was, this is what I have been saying about the whole system.

Also the author suggests that if the zero turns up while you are tracking/playing the system abandon the table, because based on the law of the third the zero will turn up within the next 37 spins.

Thanks

malcop

Quote from: malcop on Oct 29, 11:22 PM 2010
But the way the author worded it made it seem more complicated than it really was, this is what I have been saying about the whole system.

Agreed. I get the feeling that Don is trying to make a name for himself in the academic community - so it helps to make things as complicated and incomprehensible as possible, that way the boffins are bound to be impressed.  :-X

Hi All,

Here you will find two more sessions:

Session 001 is just straight forward and ended +3, Session 002 is made up of 10 back to back sessions a total of 108 spins, I still used the same exit points, and entry points if needed.

Out of the 10 back to back sessions I had two losses, the total win for session 002 was +40 units.

I played back to back because I wanted to get a really good feel on how the session holds up, I think so far my results are very similar to what Don has provided for us in his data sheets.

When you look at session 001/002 notice the shaded the spin no. in red this is to identify a Critical Spin, and if you look across from the shaded no. you will see the Dozen/Column bet shaded in either green or red depending on if the critical spin (last bet) for each session won or lost.

When you are deciding if the bet you are about to make is a critical bet bear this in mind

Each winning set of bets if both win will always produce the following results: +2, +5 or +8 (if both bets win)

So if you only needed to get 2 more units to hit your +9 target any of the above bets would take you to or over your +9 target, but no matter what you would exit the session.

But if you were at +4 only bets that would produce +5 or +8 would take you to or over your +9 target, but if the bets you was abut to make could only produce +2 units then you would only be at +7 so this could not be classed as a critical spin.

Anyway have a look through the sessions if you have any questions please ask.

Thanks

malcop

Hi All,

Attached to this post you will find my last three DNA sessions, so far today I have played 7 real money sessions they ended: +7, +6, +6, +10, +1, +5, +6 = +41 units.

Don the author has been extremely helpful in answering all my questions so now I'm fairly confident that I'm playing the system as the author intended.

The only area I had any doubt over was using the Entry Value (EV) correctly, and many mails back and forth with the author I have that under my belt, the author has also updated the manual and updated it to his website with the clarification on how to use the Entry Value (EV) condition to commence real money betting in the session.

So far I have helped one member to get to the same level of understanding as myself through Skype, if anyone else would like the same help then just contact me on malcop1960.

One final thing I have modified the scorecard and it will work out your EV calculation for you, just to save you having to keep counting back 5 spins to find the EV figure.

The spreadsheet is protected and the password is password

Any questions please ask.

Thanks

malcop

Thanks for all the feedback Malcop, much appreciated. I'd pretty much written off this one, but now I'm encouraged to take another look.  :thumbsup:

Quote from: Bayes on Oct 31, 12:37 PM 2010
Thanks for all the feedback Malcop, much appreciated. I'd pretty much written off this one, but now I'm encouraged to take another look.  :thumbsup:

No problem, looking forward to the software but it wont be with us until the end of November.

So until then I will just have to play manually when I play on-line, ah well it will give me enough practice for when I use it at my local B&M casino

Are the entry conditions just a one time condition that must be met or do they have to be met on each bet?

Quote from: dennisbelle on Oct 31, 10:39 PM 2010
Are the entry conditions just a one time condition that must be met or do they have to be met on each bet?

Hi dennisbelle,

The Entry Conditions are just what you need before you can start to make real wagers, so they only effect the start of real money play, and you keep recording them only if you may wish to continue onto another session once the EV conditions are met for the new session.

I have been in constant contact with the author and over many emails I made sure that I fully understood everything in the manual.

Because of my questions about EV the author made and update to his manual and uploaded the revised manual it to his site.

The EV conditions are designed to keep you out of play until the conditions are right for the system.

I have had a couple of sessions where waiting for the correct EV conditions kept me out of play till around spin 25 and then I only made around 3 or 4 real money bets made my target and ended the session.

Looking over the past two days of proper play I have made over +90 units.

Of course it is early days yet, and I hope it keeps performing as well as it has been.

Thanks

malcop

Hi All,

Attached you will find the final 4 sessions I played on the 31st October.

Session 008 - 011 produced the following results: -12, +12, +8, +11 = +19

So with the +41 from my earlier sessions I made +60 units on the day.

These four sessions because three of them I lost -4 units on the first bet of the session so as per rules I then played the rest of the session in inverse mode, which meant that I would bet the opposite to what the indicated bet should be.

Sessions 008, 009 and 011 are all sessions where the very first real money bet was lost with -4, so I switched to inverse mode for the rest of the session.

My offer still stands if anyone wants to contact me on skype.

Thanks

malcop

Hi All,

I have an update from the author.

This is part of an email I just had from the author:

"Yesterday, while I was playing real (BBM Live in Colombo) within four spins I had a straight loss of 13 chips (-1, -4,-4,-4). I sat down and analyzed an additional playing criteria and uploaded the book just two hours ago as November 2010 edition.

The additional condition improved all data sheets except for Colombo Bellagio as it does contain a data sample with that pattern.

Quoted below is the additional condition.


If the first Net Spin \outcome is -1 and it is followed by a -4, skip the next spin and if the Net Spin Outcome of that spin is positive (either +8, +5 or +2), continue to wager with Strategy P1AM2A and if it is negative (either -1 or -4), wager for the Inverse of Strategy P1AM2A, until an exit point is reached.

Please post this comment onto the discussion forum and inform the members to download the latest 5th Edition (November 2010)"

Thanks

Malcop

@malcop

I'm really glad I started the thread, as it's great to see the progress you're making with this obviously very promising method, and that you're getting a return on your time.

I must confess I smiled when I saw Don has optimistically written: Fifth & Final Edition (November 2010)

History suggests that there's little in human endeavour that's ever "final" !  LOL

You'll now find testing going on here:

link:://rouletteforum.cc/testing-zone/dna-system-testing-%28aka-trylobit-comes-back%29-%29/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/testing-zone/dna-system-testing-%28aka-trylobit-comes-back%29-%29/)


(And a BIG welcome back to trylobit...good to see you found us!  :thumbsup: )

Quote from: esoito on Nov 03, 07:46 PM 2010
@malcop

I'm really glad I started the thread, as it's great to see the progress you're making with this obviously very promising method, and that you're getting a return on your time.

I must confess I smiled when I saw Don has optimistically written: Fifth & Final Edition (November 2010)

History suggests that there's little in human endeavour that's ever "final" !  LoL

Hi esoito,

I'm really glad you started this thread also, it as been just under two weeks since I started to use DNA of Roulette, I'm still in positive and still happy with it.

Of course it has it's losing and winning streaks what system does not, like any system this on has its weaknesses but it also has it's fair share of good points also.

But the more people that test/play this system maybe we can plug any system weakness that we find.

I have been playing a combination for RNG and live play and so far I cannot see any significant difference between the two.

I play RNG when short of time but try to get my Live play in early morning and late at night when I know I wont be disturbed, but RNG  I can play any-time and if the phone rings ect. I can just pause/stop with no problem.

Anyway like I said the more that try this the better I hope we can make it if we can that is.

Thanks

malcop

Hi All,

The author has asked me to post his latest letter to me on the forum.

I have also attached the updated manual with the Advanced play section.

"The computer program is taking shape very well and we finalized the logic. We firmly believe that it does not work for Auto Spin and RNG. However, we managed to get the best optimized strategy crafted now with advance features.

Attached herewith is the latest and the final edition that could now be downloaded. We will never change it hereafter and once the software is uploaded there will not be any changes to its logic either, except may be changes on the layout to make it as user friendly as possible.

The difference between the earlier sixth edition and the latest sixth edition is that SKIPPING was replaced with a much more effective logic.

I am testing this on live spin mode and it works beautifully. Also, after incorporating the advance features, I am seeing more in depth inferences, that I did not see before.

Please tell everyone to get this latest perfected version and make it available through your discussion forum as well.

I am glad that I was able to give this as a gift to the world on my birthday 18th November.

I wish all the users a prosperous future. 

Best Regards

Don"

Thanks

malcop

Thank you very much Malcop

Hi All,

Another update from the author

"Dear Dulan,

It is a great relief that now the logic is finalized for the computer program in a crystal clear manner without any ambiguous situations and contradictions, in terms of logic. I have tested all such conditions with real wagering and they are all practically feasible. It was worth the Rs. 35,000 (a little over 300 dollars) invested for the final system logic testing. Thnaks for all the patience you had with me and uploading the final version. What is now available to the world is the ultimate final version from my website :.neworiginalthinking.com (link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com) on which the computer program would be written by you.

Yesterday, I spent 10 hours and obtained 161 continuous spin outcomes for data testing while I was playing. In the process I came across three ambiguous situations that are cleared now. This data sample has every practical situation that we need to test. I lost Rs. 15,000 yesterday owing to human errors made by playing while speaking to two visitors who came to meet me, owing to exhaustion and not converting to the invert strategy at the correct cutover point and making wrong decisions without investingating the sample data tables in regard to three ambiguities encountered in logic. I learnt a practical lesson, never to play while doing otherthings and when you are exhausted. However, the computer program would reduce such risks dramatically as the player does not have to calculate and make decisions.

I will meet you on Sunday to create the cognitive map of the finalized logic for the computer program and let us stick to the date we committed to the world for it to be uploaded by the 30th November.

By copy to Mr. Philip Malcolm, I humbly request to upload this e-mail to the discussion forum, to inform the members and visitors to download the finalized version.

Best Regards

Ajith Mammi (Don)"

Thanks

malcop

Hi All,

Another Update with the ebook attached.

"Dear All,

After two days of rigorous testing, the logic for wagering is cleard of all ambiguities and contradictions. Attached herewith is the latest version (which is already uploaded). As I committed, we will upload the software package by 30th November.

Now, I am temporarily releived as it is now in the hands of my dearest nephew. We have 10 more days to complete the program, test it and upload. Testing would not be a problem as I have ample real data addressing every possible scenario.

Good Luck to all of you, the sources of inspiration behind my work. Thanks for the confidence you have in me now.

Best Regards

Don"

Thanks for keeping us aware of the situation malcop :)
If the author is reading our forum, I want to thank him for all the effort

Can't wait to the 30th November  :thumbsup:

LATEST UPDATE

Email from Don:

Despite the fact that my nephew was out of action for one week with his entire family owing to an eye infection, he stands by the deadline of 30th November to upload the software package. I also could not visit his house to discuss anything during that week.

We went through a fine tuning of the logic and made certain generic changes which yielded better results across all data tables.

(a) Made the "Mandatory Strategy Switching Condition Two" more flexible.

(b) Added one more Exit Rule to mitigate the risk to confine the losses to eight chips, in view of two successive decision escalations which leads to an ambiguity.

(c) Simplified the Advance Wagering Commencement Strategy, only to commence wagring a session which has already commenced and to continue after a session comes to an end.

(d) Removed all one-off wagering conditions such as wagering during idling times. It was not worth the risk.

In addition, we applied the SYSTEM COLONNE to 9 hours of continuous playing on BBM Casino, the latter part of which was the worst ever game I have on record among several hundred real data samples. Still the session ended up at the breakeven with zero risk being hedged, after nine hours. It clearly shows that the system is working. Sent herewith are the latest revised version and the data sheet with continuous wagering.

Please upload this latest version onto your discussion forum as I see hundreds of visitors on a daily basis. Please excuse us for making minor adjustments to the manual regularly these days as we intend not to do the same to the software package once we upload it. We will make it as user friendly as possible.

Let us see what happens after next week. This could be the world's fastest track to financial success. 

Thanks for everything what you do to promote my work.

Best Regards

Don


And, not surprisingly, there is another file update (the final final? LOL) attached.

HaHa

You beat me to it I was just about to post Don's last letter!

Thanks

malcop

Thank you guys for keeping us updated !
I can't wait to test the software :D

Afonso

Hello everyone in here. 
I've been following this thread since it started and even tried the Colone system using the spreadsheet posted by trylobit in the other thread with promising results.  I assume there's no software released yet despite the promised deadline of the 30rd of november, so I'd be grateful to you guys he you told cleared up  to me a couple of things. . 

1) is the spreadsheet valid through all system principles or not?. . .  (for example, I noticed it does not take into consideration the mandatory switching condition no 2). . .
2) what happens if you have already switched to reverse and you come across a second mandatory condition? you remain at the inverse wagering until an exit point or you change again to normal?. . .

. .  any news of the latest upcoming software date?

thank you in advance for the tips and guidance guys.

Let's hope that we'll soon celebrate the historic defeat of great Pascal and Einstein by Mr Don Colone!. . 

Dear All,

Hear are the last two emails from Don.

"Dear Philip,

Despite the fact that my nephew was out of action for one week with his entire family owing to an eye infection, he stands by the deadline of 30th November to upload the software package. I also could not visit his house to discuss anything during that week.

We went through a fine tuning of the logic and made certain generic changes which yielded better results across all data tables.

(a) Made the "Mandatory Strategy Switching Condition Two" more flexible.

(b) Added one more Exit Rule to mitigate the risk to confine the losses to eight chips, in view of two successive decision escalations which leads to an ambiguity.

(c) Simplified the Advance Wagering Commencement Strategy, only to commence wagring a session which has already commenced and to continue after a session comes to an end.

(d) Removed all one-off wagering conditions such as wagering during idling times. It was not worth the risk.

In addition, we applied the SYSTEM COLONNE to 9 hours of continuous playing on BBM Casino, the latter part of which was the worst ever game I have on record among several hundred real data samples. Still the session ended up at the breakeven with zero risk being hedged, after nine hours. It clearly shows that the system is working. Sent herewith are the latest revised version and the data sheet with continuous wagering.

Please upload this latest version onto your discussion forum as I see hundreds of visitors on a daily basis. Please excuse us for making minor adjustments to the manual regularly these days as we intend not to do the same to the software package once we upload it. We will make it as user friendly as possible.

Let us see what happens after next week. This could be the world's fastest track to financial success. 

Thanks for everything what you do to promote my work.

Best Regards

Don"

------------------------------------------------

"Dear Philip,

It is 1.00 am on 1st december in Colombo and I just returned from my nephew's house. We experienced a data entry screen bug, for which my nephew has to contact someone from his office tomorrow and correct it. Also, we had two technical design problems that needs to be redsigned. Therefore, my nephew humbly requested for four more days until the night of Sunday the 5th. We are trying to make it absolutely user friendly and to facilitate that there is a lot of work done by two of us.

Sorry for the disappointment but spare us with five more working days. The real delay was caused as a result of my nephew being down for one week with the eye infection.

However, the book is finalized by adding a formal "QUIT" condition. Attached herewith is the latest and threre will not be any further changes, as both of us finalized the computer logic and finished writing the modules for wagering based on the contents of the Page 11, Page 12 and Page 14 of this book. We were initially thinking of uploading a screen shot but later decided to give the complete product to the world by the 5th December.

Attached herewith is that finalized version of the book. Please upload this message and the book (until the 5th).

Sorry for having disappointed you all for reasons beyond control.

Best Regards

Don  "

So at the moment Sunday is the software launch day.

Thanks

malcop

Hi All,

I received the email bellow from Don, it seems the release of the software will now be delayed unitl the 15th December 2010.

I know it is frustrating that the software has been delayed yet again, but to be honest I have been in the IT industry for nearly 30 years now, and I have yet to see a codeing project that was on time, and those few that did complete on time, had to be taking down at some point for major bug fixes or updates.

Lets just hope the wait is worth it, but then again we can't complain it is free!


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Dear Philip,

We have now sorted out the two technical problems we had and the first phase of coding and directing is 100% accurate and complete now. We use the programming language called FLEX that could be run with the common software FLASH. So, there will not be any  problem from a user persepective.

My nephew (who is working and studying) is designing the logic components today and I have to design the linking part of it. So, we will be doing it tonight. However, I prefer to take a few more days to test with hundreds of data sheets that I now possess, as I cannot afford to make mistakes with other's hard earned money. Therefore, I humbly requst for a final extension of the deadline to be 15th December, the date of the Anniversery of the book DNA of Roulette. I launched the first edition (printed version) in Colombo on the 15th December 2009.

Also, I made a remarkable observation that in addition to wagering for the Dozens and Columns only, have another 15 Chips in Hand (CIH) and wager inside only when either a + +, - + or a + - is indicated. The yield appears to be higher in the long run. I have already added that component to the book on how to do it. I will upload the enhanced data tables and the book tonight with this optional wagering methodology.

Sorry, for missing out on the deadline to be precise and 100% accurate. Please upload this message.

Best Regards

Don

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malcop

Hi All,

Just received another update.

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Dear Philip,

We made a dramatic improvement on the bottom line by doing some specific inside wagering. It is elaborated in the latest upload in Page 14 as the ADVANCE CRITERION THREE. Anyone who is currently using the basic strategy can use this for the time being until the computer program is uploaded. The enhanced data tables are uploaded to my website :.neworiginalthinking.com (link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com) to be examined by anyone interested. Also, attached herewith is the latest version which contains the newest strategy. 

Also, it will be greatly appreciated if a user of Strategy P1AM2A could test this and provide me with a feedback.

Please upload this e-mail and the file onto your discussion forum.

Best Regards

Don

Quote:

CRITERION THREE

Whenever a + + is indicated to be wagered for the next spin, wagering could be done by placing one chip each on the respective Dozen and the Column and placing the other two chips inside to cover the four numbers common to the Dozen and the Column, by splitting a chip to cover two adjacent numbers. For example, if it indicates to wager a + + for Dozen C and Column L, instead of placing two chips each for C & L, place just one chip each for C & L and place the other two chips inside, for one to cover the two numbers 26 & 29 and for the other to cover the numbers 32 & 35.

Similarly, when either a + - or a - + is indicated, wagering could be done by placing four chips to cover the eight numbers common to the Dozen(s) and the Column(s) by splitting a chip to cover two adjacent numbers. For example, if it indicates to wager a + - for Dozen B and Columns K & M, place a chip each to cover the number combinations 13 & 16, 19 & 22, 15 & 18 and 21 & 24.

However, if a - - is indicated, never wager for numbers Inside and wager only for the corresponding Dozens and Columns as usual. If the above methodology is to be practiced, it shall be applied to a full session. Most importantly, strictly adhere to the normal Exit Rules, unless a net loss of 12 or more is incurred prior to the session coming to an end.

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malcop

Quote from: malcop on Dec 05, 01:34 PM 2010
but to be honest I have been in the IT industry for nearly 30 years now, and I have yet to see a codeing project that was on time, and those few that did complete on time, had to be taking down at some point for major bug fixes or updates.

Ha! ain't that the truth.  :)

Thanks for the update.

There are so many holy grails looming on the horizon at the moment - could this be the Christmas we're all hoping for?  :-X  ;D

Quote from: Bayes on Dec 05, 05:18 PM 2010
There are so many holy grails looming on the horizon at the moment - could this be the Christmas we're all hoping for?  :-X  ;D

The casino executives are planning drastic action!  :wink:

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Well. . . it was about time that the Casinos should pay their share to the Global Economical crisis!. .   ;)

I am experiencing really great positive results with DNA at Dublinbe :thumbsup:, especially when applying the latest improvements of Dr. . .   Pascolumnstein! But I stll have the questions I asked also in my latest post. . .  If anybody knows or can imagine, please give me a hint!. . .

1) is the EXCEL spreadsheet of Trylobit valid through all system principles or not?.  .  .   (for example, I noticed it does not take into consideration the mandatory switching condition no 2).  .  .
2) what happens if you have already switched to reverse and you come across the second switching mandatory condition? you remain at the inverse wagering until an exit point or you change again to normal?.  .  .  ???


Also, dear flukey luke, which other systems are the "so many holy grails looming on the horizon at the moment" that you mentioned. . . where can we find them as well to make some testing?


Does anyone else try DNA at other live online casino with promising results? :question:

Thanks in advance. . .

Quote from: MyTHOS_R on Dec 05, 06:13 PM 2010
Well. . . it was about time that the Casinos should pay their share to the Global Economical crisis!. .   ;)

I am experiencing really great positive results with DNA at Dublinbe :thumbsup:, especially when applying the latest improvements of Dr. . .   Pascolumnstein! But I stll have the questions I asked also in my latest post. . .  If anybody knows or can imagine, please give me a hint!. . .

1) is the EXCEL spreadsheet of Trylobit valid through all system principles or not?.  .  .   (for example, I noticed it does not take into consideration the mandatory switching condition no 2).  .  .
2) what happens if you have already switched to reverse and you come across the second switching mandatory condition? you remain at the inverse wagering until an exit point or you change again to normal?.  .  .  ???


Also, dear flukey luke, which other systems are the "so many holy grails looming on the horizon at the moment" that you mentioned. . . where can we find them as well to make some testing?


Does anyone else try DNA at other live online casino with promising results? :question:

Thanks in advance. . .

Hi

I can anwswer the question about the spreadsheet, no it is not valid for the new updates of the system.

If you are playing the new updates forgot about using the spreadsheet.

I'm pleased to hear tha that you are getting good results with the new update, maybe I should take a look at the update, but like everyone else we are waiting for the software.

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malcop

Hi there!

There was few updates since I created the spreadsheet, so it is not up to date, as the system is evolving all the time and I don't have that much spare time to keep up.

Right now I am humbly waiting for the software.

Best regards.

Can anyone state what changes havebeen made compared to the last pdf version, whats new/altered?

Quote from: superman on Dec 06, 01:08 PM 2010
Can anyone state what changes havebeen made compared to the last pdf version, what's new/altered?

Reply #95 above will help.

I am sorry if I am the only one that does not understand this method but from the pdf I can only observe CODING instructions and I cannot understand what is the method about.

Could someone please paste explanation of how to play this, I would be very grateful

Hi All,

here is an update to where the author is with the software for DNA.

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Dear Philip,

I saw a querry being made by one of the users as to what shall be done after switching over to the Inverse Strategy. Strategy Switching takes place only after one of the strategy swtiching conditions occur. Thereafter, continue until you reach one of the two following conditions, unless the session comes to a natural end by running out of chips.

Ã,·         If a NSO of -4 is incurred immediately after switching over to the Inverse P1AM2A Strategy, at the very next spin.
Ã,·         If a NSO of -4 is incurred and a MEC emerges simultaneously, after switching over to the Inverse P1AM2A Strategy.

The first phase will be completed by my nephew today and my nephew is at it. Then we have to incorporate the logic into the framework and that is the second phase. The final phase would be making a user friendly visual projection of where to place the chips. With the advance strategy, the logic for the third phase is a little sophisticated but we are at it.

Attached herewith is the finalized 7th Edition, which has an additional data table with the final outcome of the advance methodology with inside wagering.

Please post this to the discussion forum and make the attached 7th completed and finalized edition available.

Best Regards

Don

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malcop

This seems to be going the same way most systems do, that is, as its flaws are repeatedly exposed, they are addressed, which leads to new flaws, which are addressed and so the vicious circle begins.   Then the system becomes so convoluted and understood exclusively only by the author, that it's finally impractical to use it.   There appear now to be so many rules and criteria that it would take many months for some players to grasp the concept. . . some will never get it.   At the end of the day, making the system incomprehensible is pointless since any test will still render the same results as picking dozens at random.   

Save yourself some time and take what you can from the money management ideas and move on.   

Easy there, dangle.  Don reads this thread...

Plus he's a gentleman who is freely giving his time and method to everyone.

So kindness shown for kindness received will not go amiss.

In response to your post he requested we post his reply.

So here it is, deserving of careful reading and study:


I can understand the frustrations of Mr. Dangle but his comments need a clarification from me.

I started this experiment not to find a way to outperform the roulette table but to justify a point in my book titled "Above Rationality: Strategy & Decision Optimization Under Conditions of Uncertainty", to highlight a shortcoming (identify a missing step) in the present nine-step Decision Making Process being used in the world, that a decision must be implemented after it being fully optimized. I just wanted to see the extent to which a basic stragety could be improved.

Strategy P1AM2A is a numerical pattern I observed after a deep concentration using mind power on data tables (I do a lot of meditation). I have a very high aptitude for numerical analysis and remembering numbers. My website has another similar application to prove that the whole world is wrong when it comes to finalizing interviews and competitions. column's Dilemma I created to educate the Sri Lankan Military is one of the most advanced simulations in the world today that I get invited by other regional countries to teach it.

I launched the first edition on 15th December 2009 in Colombo and nobody believed me. Upto today P1AM2A had no flaws and it has not changed. If you play with that continuously for every spin, you will have a surplus in the long run even today but crucial issue is whether the return is sufficent, in view of the risk, investment and time expended.

All what I did was optimized it from six perspectives namely waiting time, initial investment, risk, decision escalation (as we commence wagring it starts going the other way), user friendliness and most importantly return on investment .

(a) Waiting Time: a user of System column, Mr. Richard Farrow from New Zealand informed me that he had to wait for 1 1/2 hours for the MEC1 to emerge and I went through the 120 data samples and made the MEC1 more flexible and introdued MEC2. The objective of introducing them is not to correct flaws but to identify the point where the sign curve emerges (the winning trend which emerges like a sea wave and the player has to ride it like a surfer, get on top of it as it emerges and exit before it crashes). In the 6th and 7th editions, I added another sophisticated advanced condition to further optimize the waiting time by riding the remaining part of a session, if a session has already got activated.

(b) Investment: After studying all 120 data samples I found that the most optimal investment required is 15 chips. I arrived at this number after having tested all samples being examined for the range from 4 - 20 chips. 15 yielded the maximum return. This also leads to a natural exit condition to exit when the number of chips is insufficient to wager.  

(c) Risk: As a sea wave does not continue to rise, I wanted to see the height of wave to get out of it. I tested this for the net surpluses for the range from of 6 -20 chips and found the optimal height to be 9. That is how the most sigificant two exit conditions are defined to exit if the SV exceeds 9 or to get out after the critical spin if the last spin does not come right. In addition, I observed as to what happens if you continue after incurring a zero. Then I found that the yield is less if you contiue. So, I introduced another exit point with zero.    

(d) Decision Escalation: I found that as we start commence wagering with the emergence of an Entry Condition, we start losing from the first spin and end up losing the whole thing. Then I realized that it is caused by the Inverse P1AM2A coming into effect. As one researcher observed I initially tried to recover using P2AM1A which I termed as the counter Strategy ( which I used up to the 4th Edition as the recovery process) but later realized that Inverse P1AM2A leads to a speedy and a higher relative frequency to recover. So, introduction of the Inverse P1AM2A is not a correction of a flaw but an overall improvement. Then, I introduced two subsequent exit points to exit the Invese strategy if the predicability diminishes and the game starts heading towards chaos.

(e) User Friendliness: I introduced two criteria. If you are doing manual calcuations and wagering in the real casino, to go by the two MECs and MSSCs only. It is difficult to practice the three Advance Criteria in the real environment for two reasons, the disturbance factors and the complexity. So, calculate the EV, identify one of the two MECs, commence wagering, use one of the two MSSCs if necessary and exit. However, if the computer program is to be used I could accomodate thee other conditions that would enhance the return on investment. How we are designing the system now is for the user to key in the last number and the computer will visually project where to place the next bet. However, for those who want to study the mechanism, we will make the sophisticated instrument panel also available as an option. Also, we will provied the user with the flexibility of using the advance mode with a high relative frequency of falirue (6/15 sesions) and the basic mode with a low relative frequency of failure (4/15 sessions) as an option.

(f) Return on Investment: a new concept which came to my mind (in a dream) to use the same 4 chips per spin to wager inside instead of wagering for dozens and columns, when either a (+ +) or a (+ -) or a (- +) is being suggested by the system. This is the most significant enhancement ever made.

So, in a nutshell all changes have been made not to correct the flaws but to enhance the system. I did not add any new condition, unless it improved the ROI in general for all modes of spinning. So, Mr. Dangle's misconception of introducing new conditions as correction of flaws is incorrect.

What I have ultimately achieved is enhancing the return per spin of .25 chips in the First Editon for live-spin mode to a return per spin of 1.12 chips by the 7th Edition on the identical data sheets which is a 366% improvement, while reducing the time taken by exactly 80%.

Please upload this comment to clarify the point raised by Mr. Dangle and for everyone to understand my effort behind this exercise. My sole objective is to help the world to benifit out of my thinking. That is why I gave it free.

Wait patiently until we upload the software product.

Best Regards

Don  

@Don

Fabulous and Fascinating article Don.

Thank you for the explanation, and feedback.

Following your progress with great interest, and a measure of expectation.

Thank You.

(and thanks to Es for posting!)

Latest advice and update:

In order to be absolutely clear that the the roulette community understands the Advance Criterion Three, we added two visual images to demonstrate the example.

I went to my nephew's house yesterday and he was hard at work even after midnight towards having the software being uploaded by the 15th December.

Please create a link and upload this visually enhanced version.

I think it is appropriate to inactivate/remove all previous links given in our roulette forum now, as this is the ultimate user friendly version that I can create.

Best Regards

Don

Hi All,

Please find bellow the latest email from Don, please it is not an update to the system just Don trying to keep us in the loop.

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Attached herewith is a real data set from BBM online Casino I just obtained. It is in 100% conformity with the rules and regulations. Until the software is uploaded, this will become a guideline for the community on how to do the computations manually and make money.

Best Regards

Don
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The attachment is a data sheet from a recent live session, the idea is if anyone is playing/learning the most up-to date version of this system, will be able to go though this data sheet and see if they fully understand and can play it manually as per the updated rules.

On behalf of everyone on this forum I would like to thank Don for all the hard work he is clearly putting into this project, and I for one can't wait for the software to be released so that I/we can test/play this method, with the hope that it can achieve long term profits,  that would be a very nice Christmas present for all of us  ;D

Let's be honest here folks this is not costing us anything but our time when the software is released, then it will be up to us to find the time to run through our own data, and be able to determine if this system is for us or not, and does what it says on the box!


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malcop

Thanks for the update Malcop.

Interesting data.

In the 37 spins registered, the #33 appears 5 times!!
That would have been some roller-coaster ride if some playing the same wheel at the same time, had been playing the repeater game I call- "Follow Me"

#33 returning Bet value x 5 x 36 (potential, less bets stakes) = a little tidy sum!!

There are other repeaters too.

(and the first #33 appears quite early on in the session)

cheers Don for the data & keeping the interest in the subject flowing.

Hi All,

Here are a couple of emails of interest:

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Dear Mr Colonne,

I am sorry to say that I noticed there is a mistake at the DATA SHEET you sent me...

In cell B17 there SHOULD BE a "+" and NOT a "-"... We have a "3" coming after "5", that belongs in the same dozen, that means "+"...Therefore, you understand that everything else goes on the other way and I think we have to inverse at spin 30...

Please, check it yourself as well, maybe I am wrong...

Why don't use the spreadsheet of Trylobit (the one that I have already sent you and attach again in my email)? I believe it is safer when calculating the EVs... But I am not sure about the MSC..Take a look and tell me please.


Keep up the good work but take care!
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You are absolutely right. I have made a human error in coding, which amounted to utter confusion and a loss of potential earnings. You can see that me being a master at this can make such stupid human errors. This is crystal clear session of you killing the casion with two spins on the idle mode and two spins on the normal mode and making a net gain of 35 chips in four spins.

Advance Criterion 2 occurs at the 32nd and 33rd spins corresponding to the outcomes 33 and 30 respectively, which gives a net gain of 16, if advance criteria 3 is used. The first ever MEC pertaining to this session emerges at the 35th Spin and the next two spins give a net surplus of 19. The 37th Spin is a critical spin and that is where you get out. So, if you played this real session, within four spins you have made a net surplus of 35 chips, which I consider to be a Tsunami on the Casino.

Thank you so much for pointing out the human error. This gave me further confidence that the system is fine tuned and optimized in a crystal clear manner.

By copy to Malcolm, I request to upload the observation made by Michael and my subsequent response with correction. Also, please attached the correct data sheet pertining to the explanation.

Best Regards

Don

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malcop

Hi All


Here is an update from Don.

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Attached herewith are the latest readings I obtained this morning from the BBM Casino in Colombo (I rigorously tested the coding and the NSO, after yesterday's experience in regard to human errors). The results are fantastic. It is in perfect conformity with my criteria such as MEC1, MEC2, MSSC1, Critical Spin etc.

In regard to the System Design, we thought of providing the both the Basic and Advance modes of playing. However, I now wonder whether the players will get put off, if they encounter losses upfront with the advance strategy, as the relative frequency of failure is high, despite higher ROI. You two being the most frequent communicators with me what is your opinion?

I returnd past midnight yesterday from my nephew's house, who was hard at work to meet the deadline even by the time I left!

Best Regards

Don

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My Reply to the above email.

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Hi Don,

I think the user should be able to chose both methods of play before they start, as long as you point out the risk verses rewards of both methods of play then the user can make an informed choice before the commence play with the system.

Thanks

Philip

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Please take a look at the data sheet, if you have any comments for Don then please reply it this post we all know now that Don is monitoring this thread, and would appreciate any comments/suggestions you may have.

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malcop

Did the software release come through yet chaps?  ???

Not yet. Soon. Hopefully...  ;)

Any news my friends?

Hi All,

Here is the latest update:
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We have not been able to upload the most comprehensive version. It is 3 in the morning in Colombo but as promised we are giving something tangible before midnight on the 15th December in your countries as promised. We have fully tested the computation of EV and accurate direction to wager for the next spin. Please ask the forum members to look at the MECs and commence wagering, change the strategy to inverse if necessary and exit appropriately. We intend to come out with the full package within the next few days incrementally.  

Attached herewith is the newest e-book with correct terminology used in the software package. Also, given below is the link to use the Alpha Version of the software.

We wish you a Merry Christmas and help you to celebrate it !!!!!!!!!

Best Regards

Don & Dulan

link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/arc/index.html (link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/arc/index.html)

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Note: you need flash installed for your browser for the software to work.

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Malcop

Hi All,

Udate
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We tested 100s of data but I just had me being directed to a wrong place in one of the sessions I was playing. Until we correct it, please ask the members to refrain from using this for actual wagering. Also, if they encounter any problems while playing, please ask them to send the sequence of numbers which led to the error.

Best Regards

Don

I had a problem with the numbers 34,5,23,28,34,17,26,35,24,6,35,34,26,8,27,23,8,10,4,5and 5 got coded as AK instead of AL.

By copy to Dulan, I am requesting to analyze this isolated condition and correct the program immediately.

Until, I give the green light, please ask the users to strictly use the program for data testing only.

Best Regards


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Malcop
Don

Hi All,

Another Update
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I retested again and it worked. This is a problem of entering data too fast. In fact, when we tested the data yesterday, we had the same problem and Dulan was to fix it today. Please ask the users to use the TAB KEY to go to the next record, after pressing the ENTER BUTTON and also to leave about 4 Seconds between entries, without rushing. Also, ask them to be mindful if they get the same D/ID and C/ID of the previous records, until we fix this technical problem. It is not a logic error but a technical error associated with data entry that we are aware of.

PLEASE UPLOAD THIS COMMENT, TO ALERT THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THIS TECHNICAL PROBLEM.

Best Regards

Don

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I noticed that the software dose not do any sort of error trapping, so you are able to enter any number, I have asked Don if error trapping could be implemented in the software.

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malcop

It looks good.  ;)
Not sure yet, as to the outcome of the software. ? ( Bug free too)  :thumbsup:

How many #numbers does one need to input for the minimum analysis?

Has anyone else tried the software link?  :question:

BTW, as Don says, the need for less haste, and data entry via the 'tab' button, is vital.

Click on the second column first line(OUTCOME),
till the 0 goes live, then enter Ur spun number, and then hit return.
That enters the data into the server,
U must then hit 'TAB' to move down to the next entry point (OUTCOME)

Screen shot below
(Hope Don doesn't mind- I thought this was open source information)
Shows the top of the page, just part of the columns.

Cheers Don, Dulan, Malcop, Esoito for all the superb updates, and follow up.

And A Very Merry Christmas To Don and his team. x

Topic Starter to Moderate on these images if they are not to be shown yet. Cheers.

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Screen Shot of 30 actual spins from An RNG game I had last night.
Prism Casino.
Note #5 coded as AL now,........... so their correction is good.  :thumbsup:
Topic Starter to Moderate on these images if they are not to be shown yet. Cheers.

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Hi All,

Update

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Hopefully by Sunday, we will have the entry and exit conditions being incorporated and then the second phase would be complete. That will do all the computations and direct the user to the correct place as elaborated in the book. So, all the conditions will be incoroprated by then and the technical error associated with data entry would be corrected. So, the users will be able to wager with a freedom of mind.

The final phase is for the user to key in the number and the action would be visually presented on a table lay out. That we will endeavour to do before the Christmas.

First Phase was the most complicated and sophisticated. The work ahead is less complicated.

Best Regards

Don

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As you can see more work needs to be done on this software and Don hopes it will be completed by Sunday of this week.

I must say this is looking very good, can't wait till the final bits Entry/Exit points, CHI & SV have been added then we can start to do some real testing  :)


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malcop

And a VERY BIG thank you to Don and Dulan for all the unpaid work they are putting in for our benefit.

Pure altruism, and 'loving your neighbour' at it best.

Thank you, fellows. Thank you...

(And, hopefully, you'll take some time off over Christmas.  :thumbsup:)

Yes, thanks for all the work Don et al, and malcop for the updates.  :thumbsup:

Quote from: Bayes on Dec 16, 03:07 AM 2010
Yes, thanks for all the work Don et al, and malcop for the updates.  :thumbsup:

Not a problem, It is great to be involved in this project, it is not about if Don's system works or not for me it is the spirit in how this project is being shared with the world.

You do not see this kind of thing very often.

Great job  :thumbsup:

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malcop

Hello everyone and once again a GREAT special thanks to Mr Don Colonne, whom I personally like to call. . .  "Pascolonnestein" (as he seems to have beaten BOTH Pascal AND Einstein!), for his great effort to this project, without looking forward to one more financial compensation. .  a thing which I believe everyone of us has got sick among the whole web until now, haven't we?  :wink:

The first edition of course looks good but as we all know it does not give any MEC or CS sign, we still have to calculate every spin ourselves (well at least until Sunday!)

Therefore I'd like to post once again Trylobit's spreadsheet (for anyone who has not come across it-it was posted in another thread of the forum), which gives the MECs ans CSs signs.

The only problems are that
1) it needs Microsoft Excel 2007 to work (it does not works out the equations in earlier editions of Excel)
2) it does not give a consecutive "start" sign after a complete session, meaning you have to delete the numbers and re-enter the latest ones to continue playing at the same table. .
3) It does not calculate the MSSC2 (the palyer must take care of this point).

However it is still more complete (and quicker!) than Don's preliminary edition of his software and very trustworthy.

I just had a couple of excellent sessions at Canbet casino using it.

Here is the file for anyone who want and can use it.

Good luck and Merry Christmas to everyone!

@Mythos R:  Welcome to the forum!  :thumbsup:

And thank you for this helpful post.

Glad to know you did well at Canbet. You can buy us all a drink  ;)

Hi!

I'm glad I could help someone in making some money ;)
I did it quite fast as I have experience in designing spreadsheets and writing applications for systems (not only for roulette). I wanted to modify it, so it will be up to date with all the rules (the moment I published it, it was up to date), but I've had other projects plus other things in my life.

Anyway, we all are looking forward to sunday :)

Best regards.

Well, this deserves a post!. . .

I had 4 out of 6 successive sessions at Canbet live and here is the most interesting point:

I just missed the 5th, which would also successive, due to watching something on TV and the only one session lost (the 6th) failed because of an invert betting position at the very first betting (MSSC1) which was followed by a "0".  What I am trying to say is that if I fully followed Don's instructions (who says to cover the green at the early stages of any session) and hadn't missed the 5th session, I would have been 100% up during almost two hours game!. . .

Well, if this is not a "long term winning", which one would be???  :D

I do not feel lucky when I win with this system. . .

I always deeply believed that if any long-term winning roulette method ever existed, that SHOULD be connected to the law of thirds.  It is the ONLY law that governs Roulette and even casinos accept it! It is UNDENIABLE.

The problem so far was that nobody (well at least until today!) had the guts to find an equation that would exploit this undeniable fact and put it together to a winning method with dozens and columns, so that there would be AN EVEN HIGHER winning probability.  Well, it seems that Mr  D O N   C O L O N N E   has changed that, and produced a system based upon the ONE AND ONLY promising fact for consistent winning at this satanic game of luck and total randomness!

. . . Furthermore, if it succeeds for everyone, Don DEFINATELY deserves a. . .  Nobel prize for a historic acheivement concerning roulette! Well. .  after Sunday, we'll all find out, when we apply the so-highly-expected software. .

For now I am testing a file with 700. 000 live spins and so far the method wins 4 out of every 5 sessions in average. 

So here are some optimistic Greetings from Greece to everyone. .

It seems that here we'll celebrate a White Christmas this winter, as today snow paid us a visit already!



Michael

Hello there guys.

I was wondering if you guys (esoito and malcop) can informe us if there are some news..
If everything goes as planned we will have the updated version today :)

Btw, I'm talking to esoito and malcop because they are the guys who mostly keep us informed.
:P

Best regards,
Afonso

I haven't seen Malcop on skype for 3 days or so I'm not sure if he's able to post on the forum or not...

Meanwhile, I've spotted that the application has changed, there are no tabs at the top of the window and now after hitting the enter program takes you to the next cell straight away (no need to use tab key), also it doesn't allow you to put other numbers then between 0 and 36. So they are working on it:)

Best regards.

Andy

Thanks trylobit.

I noticed that too, that was why I posted on first place ^^
I'm curious if they will keep it like this now, or if they will still put the final stuff (Entry/Exit points, CHI and SV) by the end of today  ;D

Regards,
Afonso

Quote from: A3on on Dec 19, 02:25 PM 2010
Hello there guys.

I was wondering if you guys (esoito and malcop) can informe us if there are some news..
If everything goes as planned we will have the updated version today :)

by the way, I'm talking to esoito and malcop because they are the guys who mostly keep us informed.
:P

Best regards,
Afonso

Sadly, no news at the moment. But as we've seen, things are happening in the background.

Rest assured, as soon as we know something either Malcop or I will post it without delay.  :thumbsup:

It will be a work in progress until it's finished.

When writing software it's usually fatal to give a completion date!!

There always needs to be wriggle-room for the unexpected to happen. And invariably (because of the coded variables) it does.   ;)

So we must all be patient in the meantime.

Quote from: esoito on Dec 19, 06:27 PM 2010
It will be a work in progress until it's finished.

When writing software it's usually fatal to give a completion date!!

There always needs to be wriggle-room for the unexpected to happen. And invariably (because of the coded variables) it does.   ;)

So we must all be patient in the meantime.

It have been a long time since the last time I saw a software being release in the completion date  :P

Afonso

Hi All,

Update
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My nephew was working hard for two continuous days and I had to go out of Colombo on Sunday to do a lecture for children in a remote area. I left Colombo at 4.30 in the morning, drove a few hundred kilometers and on my way back joined him only in the evening at around 8.00 pm. By then he had designed all the logic steps and corrected the data entry screen shortcomings but had a problem in designing the Advance Criteria One. I worked with him upto 12 midnight and then we simplified the process by reexamining all the past data. Unfortunately, both of us were completely exhausted, virtually half dead (my nephew was in the verge of collapsing after having worked day and night for two consecutive days)  dead and we decided to take a break without rushing. We are sitting down tonight and quite likely we can have it tested and uploaded by tomorrow.  Do not worry. We will help you celebrate the Christmas and the New Year in a grand scale!!!

Thank you for the patience and the courtesies extended to us. Without the discussion forum you all created, our work would not have got this far.

Best Regards

Don

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Thanks

malcop

Hi All,

Update

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It is 8.30 in the night on 20 Dec and I called my nephew to see whether he is ready. He is under medication and forced to take a rest tonight, owing to the excessive work he did. Tomorrow, he is not going to his office and complete the logic and the program. I will join him in the evening to test and finalize it. Sorry for the delaly beyond the control of both of us.

I see an increase of 200 visits during the last four hours. I am highly inspired and encouraged.  Also, we relaxed the Advance Continuity Rule after a careful examination of all past records. This new simplication drastically reduced the complex logic which would have gone into the program. Also, we are distinguishing the final wagering guidence between Basic and Advanced. The Advanced directions will be given in a seperate Optional column and it will not be mixed up with the Basic. We strongly advise the users to test the gains on the Basic Methodology first and shift to Advance Methodology later.

I was testing the program with data upto now and noticed the considerable amount of human errors associated with my manually tabulated data sheets. Some of them have been fatal mistakes. That is why we endeavour to provide 100% accurate information to the users with the program.

PLEASE UPLOAD THESE COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF ME.

Best Regards

Don
As Dulan is going to sleep now, the updated version of the book will be uploaded only tomorrow.

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Thanks

Malcop

P.S I'm without computer at the moment, but will get updates to you as quickly as I can, should be up and running with a replacment shortly.

If you want I can post don's email for you Malcop, as you are without computer.

Don is being very friendly and helpful, and it will be a pleasure to keep our community updated with Don's emails :)

Regards,
Afonso

Hello guys

As Malcop is currently without computer I will post here for him

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Dear Pedro,

I forgot to copy you on the last update I sent to Philip and Michael. Dulan has recovered and his office has given a special holiday on Friday. So, Dulan took a rest yesterday night and we are going to work throughout the night today (Thursday). I have to go out of Colombo for a public lecture tomorrow and we are going to work with the mobile phones on Friday. We are full time at it.

I have been spending many hours on testing data during the last few days and the results are astonishing. I just sat down in front of the computer (6.00 am) to make a dramatic improvement on the Advance Wagering Condition Two, with what I saw on the London's Smart Live Casino yesterday, a simplified line of thinking which I did not pursue upto now.

Best Regards

Don

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HI Don,

That is great the progress you are making, but what people will want to know is when will they actually see any changes to the software with any new updates?

I believed as others that we would have seen incremental updates to the software starting with the basic mode and then finally the advanced mode.

Thanks

Philip Malcolm

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Regards,
Afonso

Here it's the next email by Don

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Dear Philip,

We will be completing around 70% of the work today. Dulan will work througout tomorrow. So, it is highly unlikely that we can do it today. We are equally anxious as you are to get this out to the world. Unfortunately, I will be out of Colombo from tomorrow until Sunday Morning. So, give us a few days. Do not worry. We are full time at it. But, two of us have to be 110% responsible in regard to the computer program as it is your money. I am 100% confident on the accuracy of the first phase in regard to calculating the NSO and EV. I tested it for at least 1000 data records upto now.

The process got delayed by two weeks because of a technical problem Dulan had in the data recording process. He could not diagnose the problem correctly, until I sat down with him. He is working as a computer professional in a stressful job and providing a great voluntary contribution to get this out. We are pleased at least we were able to get the first phase out by the deadline we committed that we could take the burden of calculating the NSO and the EV off the mind of the players, which is most vulnerable for human errors. I realized this when I tested past data records. I am sure Michael from Greece must be using that by now. One thing good about this exercise is that data testing is very fast and I have every possible and imaginable scenario on record for testing.

There is a firm and final commitment. The roulette players around the world will start the Year 2011 with a pleasent surprise. That for sure. It is a matter of one week.

Best Regards

Don

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Thanks Don for keeping us updated
And thanks Philip for sending me all the emails  :thumbsup:

Regards,
Afonso

Latest Don's email

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Dear Pedro,

It is 7.20 in the morning and I returned from Dulan's house at 3.00 am. I knew that you all would want to know the progress. We sorted out another major logic problem in regard to calculating the SV and now we see the computer calculating the SV correctly and getting us out of a session with the game at with EXR1, EXR2, EXR3 and EXR6 exit conditions (please refer to the latest e-book attached herewith). Dulan is going to see his eye surgeon today in the morning, in fact his parents have expressed concerns about him having late nights with my wife, who is the sister of his mother. However, since I am going to be out of Colombo until Sunday noon, he will work in a relaxed manner today and tomorrow as the second major technical problem he was struggling with is now sorted out. He will today design the logic for Strategy Switching Condition SSC1 and for the two remaining exit rules EXR4 and EXR5. So, when I come back on Sunday, hopefully the Phase Two would be complete and we could upload it so that the world can test the Basic Wagering System, the less risky version of playing. We scanned through the logic yesterday and it is fully comprehensive and finalized.

Once the second phase is uploaded, we plan to upload the Third Phase with Advance Wagering System which is of a marginally higher risk and the Fourth (Final) Phase that would provide a visual guidence to wager and facilitate two kinds of inside wagering, for those who want to take a higher risk in view of an exponential return and the banking counters to change the table. Hopefully we will be able to accomplish that task by 31st December and upload it on the New Year's Eve.

Being a person with Military expertise, I wish to contrast the different phases. Phase One is equivalent to Planning and Intelligence Gathering prior to taking the opponent on the offensive. Phase Two is equivalent to conventional battle with brigades and battalions and striking under right conditions by being consciously aware of the risk. Phase Three is equivalent to Guarilla Warfare that you attack from so many directions by deploying minimum resources as and when the opportunities (based on past records) emerge and then withdraw. Phase Four is equivalent to Long Range Reconnoitoring Patrol Group (LRRPG) operations carried out by Special Forces using small teams on selective high profile targets in a highly focused manner, while fighting is going on. We use the wisdom above the opponent such as the Law of the Third in that phase of fighting.   

As you will not hear from me for two days, please upload these comments and replace the existing links with a new link to the attached pdf file, which is the simplified and the finalized version. There will not be any more updates as the system is fully comprehensive. Please upload this to the discussion forum, provide a link to access it and invalidate all previous version. This is the most Lean and Agile version that was ever put out with no strategy ambiguities and strategy contradictions. 

Wish all those who carry forward my work a Merry Christmas!

Best Regards

Don

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From Don:

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Dear All,

I forgot to copy Michael and Pedero.

Meanwhile, we did a few minor changes and enhanced the clarity of the wording on two exit conditions, as the earlier wordings could be misinterpreted or misunderstood by the users (in regard to NSO). Attached herewith is the latest version, which is 100% compatible with logic. Please deactivate all previous links and upload this latest.

Best Regards


Don

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Hi All,

At last we have the version of the software with the basic system so we can begin testing, please read through the following emails and my comments after before you start to use the software.

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It's 2.30 in the morning in Colombo and we just finished data testing on the basic strategy. Please use test data on
record with you all and provide us with a feedback.

The data modification option (if a mistake is made) is still under development. Therefore do not make any data entry errors.
This will be fixed within the next few days along with advance strategy. We will endeavor to have the final product uploaded
by 31 st.

Please upload this information to the forum. Good Luck!

Best  Regards
Don & Dulan

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Dear Philip,

I was testing this software just now and there was a problem in regard to data entry. We did not see that yesterday on our computers. When you come to the 24th record, the page does not get advanced to a blank cell for us to key in the next number. Thereafter, the system cannot direct the player accurately. I notified Dulan immediately and he will rectify that as fast as possible. Please upload this comment for the benifit of the users. We strongly recommend the players only to use this software to test data only for the time being and not to use it for real wagering until we give the green light. We will endeavour to give the full system for real playing by Please upload this comment immediately.

Best Regards

Don

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Please read the following before you start to use the software for testing

1) Link to the software link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/arc/index.html (link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/arc/index.html)
2) This is the basic version of the software, and it supports multi sessions so after CS you can keep inputting numbers and it will tell you your next entry point ect.
3) I do not have the problem Don has reported in the second email, Robert has reported to me he has the same problem.  I use Firefox and Ubuntu maybe that makes a difference I don't know, the other thing I noticed that no matter what I do in google chrome when I use the link it still shows the over version of the software must be a refresh problem.

Well that's it enjoy and please post any comments/problems in this thread so that Don and Dulan can see the and sort them out.

Thanks

malcop
p.s Thanks to Don & Dulan for getting this software this far it is very very good, better than I thought it would have been :)
For those wanting to learn this system for B&M play will find this software a great learning tool!

Hi all.

Now that with Colonne's beautiful software we can test continuously and thoroughly (with all conditions valid and working), I yesterday started testing broadly and I am in the hard position to report the first results which give a sign that the system doesn not go well at all.

I tested 250 spins from Dublin bet ending with almost -50 units (total net gain) and another 400 spins from another live German casino ending with almost -80 units.  And the worst news is that the losing ratio was. . . steady in the long run! It seemed that it was losing a lot more times that it won. 

If anybody else has any other test results, please share with us, so that we can all judge thorougly.

I am really sorry to be the firs to announce disappointing news concerning a system that was enough promising to be a long-term winner.

My best and kindest wishes for the new year's Eve.  May the 2011 bring health and hapiness to the whole world.

Michael

Thanks for your testing, Michael.

As you say, disappointing.

However, as the software is very new, there may be some undetected bugs at work.

We shall see, hmmm?

I'm sure folk will realise it's not a good idea to use REAL money just yet!

After all, we're only just starting the testing phase.

Quote from: MyTHOS_R on Dec 30, 01:57 AM 2010
Hi all.

Now that with column's beautiful software we can test continuously and thoroughly (with all conditions valid and working), I yesterday started testing broadly and I am in the hard position to report the first results which give a sign that the system doesn not go well at all.

I tested 250 spins from Dublin bet ending with almost -50 units (total net gain) and another 400 spins from another live German casino ending with almost -80 units.  And the worst news is that the losing ratio was. . . steady in the long run! It seemed that it was losing a lot more times that it won.  

If anybody else has any other test results, please share with us, so that we can all judge thorougly.

I am really sorry to be the firs to announce disappointing news concerning a system that was enough promising to be a long-term winner.

My best and kindest wishes for the new year's Eve.  May the 2011 bring health and hapiness to the whole world.

Michael

Hi MyTHOS_R,

Like the rest of you I was looking forward to the software and as soon as I got It I started to test, and I found that if you kept playing it did not do to well.

So this morning I decided to have another look at how I could make the system work for me.

This is how I have been using the software:

I only risk no more than 3 buy-in per session 3 x 12 = 36 units

Now if the first game ends with a net gain profit I then exit the session is ended leave the table whatever.

But my first game ends in negative then I will now go into what I have called recover mode, and all I am trying to go is to get back to positive any positive and then exit the session.

So for example my first game ended -6 and then keep on playing multi sessions exiting/entering unit the netgain hist +1 or more as soon as I do that session is terminated.

By playing this way I have now recovered any losses I have when I first started to use the software, and I am well into profit, I'm sure this way of playing is not for everyone but so far this way is working for me and that's all I can say.

Any system/method that you chose to use you have to try and extract the best method of use that suites your style of play and if you can't find it with that system/method then move on and use something else.

But I do believe if you just keep playing multi sessions without and firm entry exit points for your session you will end up losing, and this is true for any system/method not just DNA.

Thanks

malcop

Very good.

Was that real or play money?

Real money, William Hill allows you to play with chips as small as 0.10 if you wish in live games.  so I find it a great way of testing out a system don't believe in play money do not believe it works the same as real money, you always seem to win more in play money, so I no longer use it apart for learning a system.

Note: if anyone decides to play the way I do it is at your own risk, please do not come complaining to me that you lost X amount of money, you should have tested it out first and made sure you are happy with how it works out for you!

Also if I start to lose more than I am winning with this method of play I will report it to the forum.

One more thought on how you could play recovery mode you lost your first game, so now you are playing to get to +1 or more, you are one bet away for example your net-gain column is at -2 and you are about to place a bet that will bring you +5 units and if successful bring your net-gain to +3, we could call this our sessions CS and win or lose we exit the session, with either a win or a small loss.  This would be less aggressive and better suited to some people.

Any updates on this malcop? it's been a while.  :-X

Quote from: Bayes on Jan 11, 03:34 AM 2011
Any updates on this malcop? it's been a while.  :-X

Hi All,

This is the latest email from Don.

I was going to wait until 15th to see if the final improved version has been uploaded

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Dear Gentlemen,

Dulan and I worked the whole day today and we made a remarkable progress in developing the advance mode. It appears that the total system would enable a very positive long run yield. We will upload the complete system by the 15th Saturday.

Best Regards

Don

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Thanks

malcop

Quote from: malcop on Jan 11, 03:43 AM 2011
will upload the complete system by the 15th Saturday.

The big day has arrived!

or has it?  :-X

Anyone would think you're rarein' to go  ;)

We both know what it's like with software -- deadlines come; deadlines go. There's usually some glitch right at the last minute...

I have to admit that my post was written more in the spirit of tongue-in-cheek than expectation.  :-[

Hi All,

This is the last email I received from Don on the 9th Jan

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Dear Gentlemen,

Dulan and I worked the whole day today and we made a remarkable progress in developing the advance mode. It appears that the total system would enable a very positive long run yield. We will upload the complete system by the 15th Saturday.

Best Regards

Don
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I have emailed Don and just waiting for a reply

Thanks

Philip

Hi All,

Update
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Dear Philip,

We are hard at it and Dulan had been doing it since yesterday. He wants me to come over there at 6 pm today. It is in the verge of being finalized.

Best Regards

Don

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So all being well we should see the finalized version within the next 12-24 hours.

Thanks

malcop

Thanks, Philip.

You're doing a great job keeping the communications open.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Like the rest of you I am just looking forward to the finalized version to be uploaded then we will all be able to see if DNA is a long term winner or not.

Hi All,

Here is the latest update from Don

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Yesterday (15th)  Dulan and I worked for many hours passing midnight and we encountered serious logic problems in incorporating the advance mode onto the basic mode. Thus we decided to reengineer the system. We completed the design of the overall status and Dulan and I are sitting down to bring individual components from the old system to the new structure in the correct sequence. We intend to work tomorrow night also. Please bare with us for a few days (not weeks), as we want to give all of you a perfect version of the program.

Meanwhile, my testing of data with the advance system also on the Smart Live Casino is very good (I do the advance calculations manually to see whether the system yields a positive result).

I hope you all understand the problem at our end. We will do our best with the fullest commitment during the shortest possible time.

Please pardon me for not having got back to you as I was out of Colombo the whole day on my professional work and just returned home.

Best Regards

Don

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Thanks

malcop

Hi All,

Here is the latest update from Don

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Dulan and I worked till 3 am yesterday and we uploaded the software with the final layout after having the the rare bug we detected in the old system also being corrected. The advance criteria are already written but not activated.

We wish to work tomorrow (Tuesday) night also and have the entire system uploaded.

Please post this comment as I see 100 users of the older version in the weekend.

Best Regards

Don

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So it looks like we are almost their, lets keep our fingers crossed that this system will hold out long term when we all get our hands on the final version.

Thanks

malcop

Hi All,

Here is the latest update from Don

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It is 7.30 am in Colombo on the 26th Wednesday. Dulan started working at 7.30 pm and I joined him at 10.30 pm. I worked with him until 3.00 am and he was continuing. Just now he called me and informed that he completed the task. Congratulations! Dulan. Now, we have to do the data testing. He is going to upload the software onto the website today and provide only me with a link for me to test it comprenesively from every perspective. Since he has not slept since the night of 24th Monday and he has to go to work this morning, it is not fair to expect him to work tonight also. Therefore, we decided to upload the fully tested system on Thursday the 27th in the night. So the grand filale would take place tomorrow.

Please post this note to the discussion forum on behalf of me.

Best Regards

Don

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Thanks

malcop

hello,

On what website can this tested software be found? I have been following this thread for some time now and am happy that that software is finally completed and tested. Please post a link.

Regards,
Scooby Doo

Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Jan 26, 01:02 PM 2011
Hello,

On what website can this tested software be found? I have been following this thread for some time now and am happy that that software is finally completed and tested. Please post a link.

Regards,
Scooby Doo

Once the software is FINALLY ready (it's not quite) you can be sure of a link being posted.

The post above yours provides some clues as to why no link yet.

Hi All,

At long last Don and Dulan have completed the DNA software now all we all have to do is test it to see if it is a profitable as Don has found in his own testing.

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Dear Roulette System Players,

Please be informed that the most comprehensive version of the book was uploaded about 10 hours ago by Dulan. We both worked throughout the night from 8.00 pm on 27th until 8.00 am on the 28th. Immediately after that, I went for a lecture and just got up, after sleeping.

The player has the option of playing any of the strategies seperately or the entire system. We strongly recommend to thoroughly rest the system with past and test data on live-spin modes before, playing with real money.

Meanwhile, if any errors are observed, please notify me on darcolonne@yahoo.com. We truly appreciate all your initiatives and encouragements to take this work forward and the patience extended to us, in regard to this project. Please provide us with a sincere feedback. Also, there is a possibility that the Casinos would try to counter this program being used by all possible ways. So, use your own judgement and wisdom. Use the system only if you are convinced.

Your sincere user feedbacks would be greatly appreciated.

Over the next few days, Dulan will do the decorative improvements.

Given below is the link to use the system. Please upload this e-mail to the discussion forum. Best of luck to all of you.

link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/arc/index.html (link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/arc/index.html)


Best Regards

Don and Dulan

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I should not have to say this but I will anyway, please, please, please test this software fully with old data or on play money, only when you are 100% happy with the performance of this software use real money!  And It should also go without saying use good money management!

Thanks

malcop

is the software ready to use?

Yes the link is in the above post.

im not sure how to use it.

@warrior

Malcop informs me to input Ur spun numbers- as they are coming out of the Marquee.  :-*

Then an apparent bet(when the software allows it) will appear on the right hand side on the screen.

I have yet to try it.  :question:

Good Luck!!

And good luck to all users.  :thumbsup:

Why are the colors on the Table incorrect ?

Ive not read this Thread so excuse me if its obvious lol


I played 100 Spins ended -54

Was always in the negative  ???

did the same as twister and ended up the same as twister.

-54 units

maybe we had the same number  :P

Our sincere thanks to all the time and effort these two gentlement have put into this FREE software, intended for our benefit.

I didn't realise it would be  site-based software, rather than a separate, standalone package we can install. That raises its own set of potential access problems, of course.

The foremost of which is the site getting overloaded with users because of limited resources, bandwidth or whatever. And the site going offline periodically for whatever reason(s).

So, hopefully a standalone package will be on the 'to do' list.  ;)

But, meanwhile, onwards and upwards with the results of all their hard work.

Thanks again, fellows.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

. . . A 350 spins sample fell into a -52.  I was one of the first supporters and believers of this strategy but I am sorry to say that it is tremendously obvious that IT IS NOT a long-term winner.  On the contrary, I would say that it is a long-term steady loser, as I noticed a quite steady loss ratio during the consecutive sessions!

And what is the most terrible reality? the system DOES NOT FAIL because of zero apperarence! How ironic. . . 

I am really sorry, because Mr Colonne and his nephew put a really strong effort and time in this, but unfortunately their hard work fell into failure, as of course everything else in this evil roulette game.  Do not play with money, you'll lose it long term.

For those of Us who have followed the Whole Topic, but have not yet played the software (or certainly not to a point where a bet is suggested), how would U describe the type of bet that comes out?

Is it a split suggestion?

Is it a Dozens/Column bet?

Is it an EC bet?

Is it a 1-37 flat bet on a single/series of numbers?

Can someone post up an example or a description of the software bets suggested please?

Cheers Chris

I have done 3 sessions.  All negative.  Dont play with it.  Results were: -104, -21, -72.

Im really sorry.
:(

Oh dear...

I'm not arguing against the negative results that are starting to trickle in.

Do all the testers thus far FULLY understand what they are doing?

That's a rhetorical question -- no answers needed.  ;) Just speculating, folks. Not finger pointing!!

We'll have to assume they do, I guess.

But I'm wondering why our two friends would have spent so much time on this project it was actually an unprofitable dud, as per early results reported here.

Well, common sense says they wouldn't. They're both busy men who have generously put in a lot of their valuable time without recompense.

So, therefore, I'm wondering if we're seeing the results of user-errors (not familiar with the manual; maybe not using the software correctly) or maybe bugs/flaws in the software.

It's worth raising and thinking about these possibilities.

Me? Not used it yet.

Why? Because I don't yet fully understand it...

Hi All,

Here is an email I had from Don

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As I expected, there are negative comments to start with. Very clearly I have instructed not to use this as a long term strategy. Whenever you play and incur a loss of 15 from the peak value, you have to leave the table and refrain from wagering for a few hours. Randomly enter a session and exit whenever you meet the above table exit condition and in the long run your winnings will be more. I will incoroprate this as a rule to the system.

Please upload this comment immediately.

Best Regards

Don

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I have to say a few things here, I have been asking Don to show how he uses this system, and I am now glad that he is putting in the -15 draw-down exit the session.  A lot of you have said that the session never went into positive and I have had some of those, but I have also had winning sessions. 

Now this is what I will do until Don has added the -15 draw-down rule from your highest point I will use my MM Tool.  I have attached the MM Tool with the following settings:

Account Balance: Ã,£300.00
Session Buy-in: 15
Base Unit: Ã,£1.00

Of coarse what you should do is change those values to suite your own real account balance and the base unit of your choice.

Each time I reach a high point I will change the Account Balance to reflect the new high point.
A session target is also needed, not sure on that yet I will come back to you, but I think it should be something like +8 - +15 and then exit the session.  But I will let you all know what I definitely decide on.

I will use a lifetime bankroll of 150 units which is 10 buy-ins at 15 units.

now if I lose my 150 units buy using the above rules for me I will deem this system a loser, and walk away from this project.

Don and Dulan have put a lot of time and effort into this project, so it is only fair that it gets a proper test, before we all write it of as a loser.

I will keep you all informed on my progress.

Thanks

malcop

Dear Malcop,

I do not want to disappoint you in advance but it is a bitter reality that YOU WILL LOSE the bankroll of 150 units in around 1000 spins (the MOST!) EITHER they are consecutive OR split independent sessions (meaning diferrent getting in-an-out sessions, ike the ones you describe).  YOUR FINAL TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS will be -150 ANYWAY.  THAT IS THE MEANING OF LONG-TERM ANYWAY: TO WIN/LOSE EITHER consecutively OR in split independent sessions.

Of course that is valid if you're using the software that is so far uploaded.  The spreadsheet of Trylobit are functioning much-much better and have a quite more positive ration.  I had told that to Don, as well as that I believed that the foult causing the failure is the MEC2, because I had noticed a high percentage of losing session by MEC2s in the first place.  But he had a different opinion.  He insisted that MECs gained a lot of units (based on his tests).

I am convinced that IF there is a way to beat roulette long-term, THEN IT WOULD BE ONLY ONE: using the law of thirds and the mathematical equations that Don incorporated into his system.  BUT I believe that there is a mistaken entry of these equations INTO the software.  OR ROULETTE CANNOT BE BEATEN LONG-TERM. 

cheers

Quote from: chrisbis on Jan 28, 07:27 PM 2011
For those of Us who have followed the Whole Topic, but have not yet played the software (or certainly not to a point where a bet is suggested), how would you describe the type of bet that comes out?

Is it a split suggestion?

Is it a Dozens/Column bet?

Is it an EC bet?

Is it a 1-37 flat bet on a single/series of numbers?

Can someone post up an example or a description of the software bets suggested please?

Cheers Chris

It gave me dozens and columns to bet on

Sometimes 2 dozens and 1 column or 2 columns and 1 dozen

And also 2 dozens and 2 columns

Quote from: MyTHOS_R on Jan 29, 04:20 AM 2011
Dear Malcop,

I do not want to disappoint you in advance but it is a bitter reality that YOU WILL LOSE the bankroll of 150 units in around 1000 spins (the MOST!) EITHER they are consecutive OR split independent sessions (meaning diferrent getting in-an-out sessions, ike the ones you describe).  YOUR FINAL TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS will be -150 ANYWAY.  THAT IS THE MEANING OF LONG-TERM ANYWAY: TO WIN/LOSE EITHER consecutively OR in split independent sessions.

Of course that is valid if you're using the software that is so far uploaded.  The spreadsheet of Trylobit are functioning much-much better and have a quite more positive ration.  I had told that to Don, as well as that I believed that the foult causing the failure is the MEC2, because I had noticed a high percentage of losing session by MEC2s in the first place.  But he had a different opinion.  He insisted that MECs gained a lot of units (based on his tests).

I am convinced that IF there is a way to beat roulette long-term, THEN IT WOULD BE ONLY ONE: using the law of thirds and the mathematical equations that Don incorporated into his system.  BUT I believe that there is a mistaken entry of these equations INTO the software.  OR ROULETTE CANNOT BE BEATEN LONG-TERM.  

cheers

Dear MyTHOS_R,

You have totally missed the point of my post, and what Don says the only way we have a chance of coming out in profit, to quote running the software over 1000's of spins is totally pointless.

You have to adopt a hit and run approach and not stay at the table like a robot, placing your bets waiting for the casino edge to kick in.

I was going to wait until I had 10 sessions but I feel I have to post my results so far:

8 Session +31
Average per session +4

+11, +8, -12, +8, -14, +9, +9, +12 = +31

Please understand this is just the start of my testing I use strict MM rules, using my MM tool and some common sense.

For me it is wiser to take your money and run when you are ahead to a predetermined point, and also realise that sometimes it is better to just leave the table when things are not going your way, that is the way I play and it has always stood me in good stead.

I am not a robot and do not intend to play like one!

Anyway this is early days and it could all go tits up, but so fare so good.

If anyone is interested in how I am using the software the let me know otherwise I will just post my results and leave it up-to you to find the best way to use the software.

One thing I am using is my modified MM Tool I live by it and it has save my bacon many a time.

Like I said if anyone wants a full breakdown on how I use my MM Tool and my Exit points, the just say and I will be more than willing to explain, but I do not want to waste my time if their is no interest.

But I have to say this one more time testing something over 1000's of spins without good entry/exit points is a total waste of time.  All that proves is that no one would play that way in real life!

You have to pick you spot hope it is good for you and exit as per your exit rules.


Thanks

malcop

Malcop,


please share with us. . . how many spins create each one of your 8 sessions??

Let's say that you have totally played 250 spins, alright? (8 sessions, of 30 spins each one in average).  So, there YOU GO. . .  you have already played the 25% of the 1000 spins (it DOES NOT MATTER IF THEY ARE NOT CONSECUTIVE, THEY ARE STILL LONG-TERM!). .

When you'll come to the point of 1000 totally played spins (even if you hit-and-run through them for 1000 times!), you'll have a losing ratio with this software.  We're telling the same things in different way.  You'll have the same results as I did playing as a robot for consecutive spins! It is exactly the same thing! Maybe it will take you a lot more time to lose the whole bankroll but it will eventually happen.  And you will have spent much more time than than the robot to come to the same coclusion!

See for yourself.

It is just a matter of basic roulette terminology.

Quote from: MyTHOS_R on Jan 29, 05:39 AM 2011
Malcop,


please share with us. . . how many spins create each one of your 8 sessions??

Let's say that you have totally played 250 spins, alright? (8 sessions, of 30 spins each one in average).  So, there YOU GO. . .  you have already played the 25% of the 1000 spins (it DOES NOT MATTER IF THEY ARE NOT CONSECUTIVE, THEY ARE STILL LONG-TERM!). .

When you'll come to the point of 1000 totally played spins (even if you hit-and-run through them for 1000 times!), you'll have a losing ratio with this software.  We're telling the same things in different way.  You'll have the same results as I did playing as a robot for consecutive spins! It is exactly the same thing! Maybe it will take you a lot more time to lose the whole bankroll but it will eventually happen.  And you will have spent much more time than than the robot to come to the same coclusion!

See for yourself.

It is just a matter of basic roulette terminology.

MyTHOS_R,

You seem hell bent on proving that no one can make any profit from playing roulette, so I do not understand what you are doing on this forum.

I said I would run a test on Don's DNA system and before I even start you tell me I am going to fail, yes I could fail, but then again I may come out with a small profit you do not really know that, instead you quote statistics.  If all their was to gambling was statistics then we would have computer programs making thousands from the casino, but we do not because gambling requires human interaction good Money Management and common sense.

I really do not know the outcome will be but my target is to make 150 units if possible playing my way and if I fail so be it, that is why it is called gambling.

Maybe you should just take up Bingo instead!

Because it seems to me you have no real interest in exploring new potabilities.  Their is enough negativity in this world and I am not interested in yours so let me run my tests let me fail but at least I would have given it a try instead of giving up before I even started!


malcop

Well Malcop,

I really tried to be polite in my previous post but sice you were not, I do not have to be from now on as well.

I already told at lest three times in my posts in this thread that I WAS ONE OF THE FIRST BELIEVERS of this system.  THAT'S WHAT I WAS DOING IN THIS FORUM.  But it seems that beside the fact that your IQ level approaches a five-year-old boy (since you cannot understand the simple fact that long-term means EITHER CONSECUTIVE OR NON-CONSECUTIVE SPINS), you also are not able to read.  So I AM now wondering what on earth YOU are doing in this forum.  You should read your High school lessons right now instead!

I was not negative.  I just posted my results, which WERE NEGATIVE and tried to save you some time before you come to the same conclusion but ONLY AFTER playing for ages (BASED ON YOUR INTUITION) instead of running robot consecutive spins. 

However, since you're so much stubborn (as ofcourse every child of your age is anyway), you may run 1. 000. 000. 000 sessions to realize a simple palin fact.  You are a free person.

It is just a pitty. . 

Of course, it would be much-much better to make all these tests based ONLY in your INTUITION, which seems to be in a lot higher level than your brightness! But if, we had to follow our instinct, why on earth would we have to follow a so-high-tech sytem at the same time?. . .  Nevertheless, don't bother to destroy your brains trying to answer and a follow such a high-levelled discussion. . .

Please, give us a break.

Take care.  Good luck at your school exams.

Ok guys, thats enough. No more bickering


Please, malcop continue with your testing

Hi All,

Udate email

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We had a hard look at the program and found that there were several major issues with certain logic. These issues lead to erratic behavior of the program and was not consistent with the book. For example, a test data-set what should have yielded  a +20 ended up with a -4 owing to this error.

We apologize for any inconvenience and disappointment caused.

In regard to your last mail on "Table Exit Rule" we simply issue a warning and wagering may continue at the discretion of the player.

We humbly request those who tested data with the previous program to re-test the same data and report.

We will endeavor to improve the program and if any inconsistencies are observed in comparison with the book, send an e-mail to darcolonne@yahoo.com.

Please post this e-mail to the discussion forum on top priority basis.

Best Regards
Don & Dulan

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I do hope that this will explain the poor performance some of you have been having.

Update to my testing I had a high of +45 and now stands at +22 due to last few sessions being a bit of a roller coaster, you know win one lose sort of thing.  I will try and do some more testing with the updated software but not sure how much, but hopefully the update/fix will improve the performance.

I am also in the middle of testing a system I got from Team Roulette a while ago called Stealth Roulette I modified the MM rules and it is doing very well so far, it is based on the Law of the Third and uses the Six-Lines(or double streets as some people call them)  to make its bets.  Stealth Roulette was changed to Accumulator Roulette because their was someone else advertising a system with the same name, I have 4 of their systems but two of their best ones are based on dealer signature, I play mostly online with live dealers and by the time you track and start to play they make a dealer change, seems to be around every 20 minutes so they work best at B&M casinos, by the way this is not an advert for Team Roulette because as far as I can see they no longer exist, their website closed down around 6 months ago.  If anyone knows of them or where they went would be great if you cold let me know.

Thanks

malcop

Hi All,

Update email

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Dear Dulan,

As I explained over the telephone, I just applied the following data set and found an error associated with the AC3

23 18 14 32 25 5 29 19 29 0 12 11 20 6 30 30 3 10 (EXR3 got activated but the system directed to wager for the next spin under AC3 which led to a loss of -4. Actually, no wagering should have taken place for the next spin) 3 ...............

You seem to be aware of where the error is. Please try to correct it tonight as the credibility and reliability of the system is extensively criticized in the discussion forum. I know that you are preparing for a major examination next week upto the 5th February and I promised you not to disturb you until it is over but please try to oblige by rectifying the error tonight.

Until we rectify this bug we request the users to be extremely cautious in using AC3, especially if a loss of -4 is incurred with it at the next spin after being directed for the first time under AC3.

By copy to Philip, I request to post this e-mail to the forum.

Best Regards

Don

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Thanks

malcop

This is Don's latest mail to me and Malcop. . .

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"Dear Philip

We had a hard look at the program and found that there were several major issues with certain logic.  These issues lead to erratic behavior of the program and was not consistent with the book.  For example, a test data-set what should have yielded  a +20 ended up with a -4 owing to this error.

We apologize for any inconvenience and disappointment caused.

In regard to your last mail on "Table Exit Rule" we simply issue a warning and wagering may continue at the discretion of the player.

We humbly request those who tested data with the previous program to re-test the same data and report.

We will endeavor to improve the program and if any inconsistencies are observed in comparison with the book, send an e-mail to darcolonne@yahoo. com.

Please post this e-mail to the discussion forum on top priority basis.

Best Regards
Don & Dulan"

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Do you see now Malcop that I was 100% right ?

There was an error on the software that made it incomprehensive with the book.  That is why it produced terribly negative results.  I re-run my 350 consecutive spins session test with the corrected version and ofcourse it went remarkably better.  However it still seems to have a losing ration, only a little softer this time.  It lost 21 units at the end (instead of 52).

And a last comment. . .

When it comes to "flat bet systems" (like DNA of roulette), WE DO NOT USE "MONEY MANAGEMENT"! Money management is defined ONLY IN PROGRESSION SYSTEMS (another basic roulette terminology term).  At flat bet systems you just flat bet and EITHER YOU WIN OR YOU LOSE YOUR WAGERED MONEY. . .

Hi All,

Another update

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Dear Dulan,

Test the following number set and as a result of EXR3 does not work under AC1, the system led to a loss of -12

26 35 0 5 25 29 26 25 22 28 4 20 35 23 17 13 20 24 23 4 32 30 3 28 25 (AC1 get activated) 34 (EXR3 shall appear and wagering must terminate, instead wagering continues) 20 1 0

The latter 3 spins should not have been wagered for.

By copy to Malcolm, I want this e-mail to be posted to the forum and advise the players to get out of AC1 which uses just 5 chips as CIH, if the CIH becomes insufficient to wager. Owing to the bug, the system will continue to direct even after that, without exiting from AC1.

As Dulan is sitting for an examination, he will not be able to correct the bug until the 6th . Thus, the players have to take decilsions by observing.

Please post this to the discussion forum immediately.

Best Regards

Don

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Thanks

malcop

Quote from: malcop on Jan 31, 02:53 PM 2011
advise the players to get out of AC1 which uses just 5 chips as CIH, if the CIH becomes insufficient to wager. Owing to the bug, the system will continue to direct even after that, without exiting from AC1.

Maybe you can explain what exactly does it mean?

Hi All,

Update email

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Dear Philip,

Thank you so much for posting my comments and keeping the forum alive. I find the system going very well with the London based Smart Live Casino. I continue to monitor the system looking for bugs until I am reasonably comfortable to make it a beta version so that the players can use it with confidence.

In regard to Bug 1 I reported yesterday, I realized that the same deprives an AC4 emerging as well, until an MEC occurs. Therefore, the players shall resolve to wagering manually immediately upon AC1 emerges assuming that the CIH is 5 and take the exit decision offline. Also, they have to be on the alert for any AC4 emerging subsequent to this exit points and do the needful manually. I am sure that you would have incurred unnecessary losses as well as deprived from potential gains owing to this bug, despite the fact that you made a +45. It should have been more. Also, I am sure that the loss of 21 incurred by the player who tested 350 spins would find the loss being further reduced, once this bug is corrected.

The bug can be cleared only on the 6th, after Dulan's exam. Until such time, I request the players to handle the spins between emergence of AC1 until emergence of a MEC manually.

Please upload this comment.

Best Regards

Don

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Thanks

malcop

Hi All,

Here is a couple of emails that I would like you all to look at, the first one was from me to Don with regard to the current bugs in the software, the second one his Don's response.

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Hi Don,

I know you are almost their as far as getting the software working correctly, but I think it would be best to tell the users on the forum to  wait until the bugs have been removed before using the software.  I know you have said that they can ignore AC and various modes until they have been fixed but it is plain from the questions that most people do not know what you are talking about, because they have not read the manual or fully understand it.

So I think for now they should be told to suspend using the software all together and just play manually until the problems have been rectified.  If thy continue to use the software and more bugs are found it will destroy all the hard work that you and Dulan have put into this project.

Thanks

Philip

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Dear Philip,

It is a matter of three days only and AC3 bug is a rare occurance and it can go 50-50 this way and that way also. So, it is not extremely harmful for the people to be told not to use the system, as they may lose confidence in it. I also got it only once and the loss it led to was just 10 chips. Therefore, we will let them play and by uploading our communication, we can keep them informed. Once we fix this, I am of the view that the system will be bug free becuase I did extensive data testing at my end. Also, after the 5th, even if there are any bugs, Dulan and I can fix it spontaneously. So, in my view let it be as it is. Please upload your suggestion below and then this response from mine, so that the players will understand that we do it with a commitment and a sense of responsibility.

Best Regards

Don

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I think this was the fairest way to do this by me emailing Don with my concerns, about the software Don has responded so it is up to you if you want to use the software now or wait until the 5th, of course you could always just play/test the system manually it is all in the most recent ebook.

Thanks

malcop

Quote from: malcop on Feb 02, 07:02 AM 2011
Hi All,

Here is a couple of emails that I would like you all to look at, the first one was from me to Don with regard to the current bugs in the software, the second one his Don's response.

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Hi Don,

I know you are almost their as far as getting the software working correctly, but I think it would be best to tell the users on the forum to  wait until the bugs have been removed before using the software.  I know you have said that they can ignore AC and various modes until they have been fixed but it is plain from the questions that most people do not know what you are talking about, because they have not read the manual or fully understand it.

So I think for now they should be told to suspend using the software all together and just play manually until the problems have been rectified.  If thy continue to use the software and more bugs are found it will destroy all the hard work that you and Dulan have put into this project.

Thanks

Philip

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Dear Philip,

It is a matter of three days only and AC3 bug is a rare occurance and it can go 50-50 this way and that way also. So, it is not extremely harmful for the people to be told not to use the system, as they may lose confidence in it. I also got it only once and the loss it led to was just 10 chips. Therefore, we will let them play and by uploading our communication, we can keep them informed. Once we fix this, I am of the view that the system will be bug free becuase I did extensive data testing at my end. Also, after the 5th, even if there are any bugs, Dulan and I can fix it spontaneously. So, in my view let it be as it is. Please upload your suggestion below and then this response from mine, so that the players will understand that we do it with a commitment and a sense of responsibility.

Best Regards

Don

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I think this was the fairest way to do this by me emailing Don with my concerns, about the software Don has responded so it is up to you if you want to use the software now or wait until the 5th, of course you could always just play/test the system manually it is all in the most recent ebook.

I have one final thought and this is to Don, I think their is some merit in what MyTHOS_R has said on more than one occasion on this forum about the MEC2 I also have found that the last spreadsheet that Andy created did performed better than the recent software, maybe it was because of bugs or maybe some modification is needed who knows only you can tell us!


Thanks

malcop

As it stands the results are not so encouraging.  Have been testing on different casinos to see if it would yeld different results on some but I am most of the time on the negative or go negative quite fast after being positive.  No matter the casino used.  Even using the spread sheet, i still come out negative, just that i play longer before an exit condition. . .

So, as I do not understand what this "AC and various modes " is I guess I wait till the 6th for the corrected version and continue testing it from my end.

Also, has Don changed is comments about not using the software for testing against online automatic machines? I don't know if he realises that thats how most users will be using it, at least me thinks so.


Vundarosa

Vundarosa, Don's system AND the software has been developed and SHOULD be used ONLY ON LIVE WHEELS, NOT RNG machines. Nothing has changed or will change. The law of thirds is valid ONLY on live wheels and since this system is based on this law, there you have your answer.

For the old members...I have tested 1500 CONSECUTIVE live spins with Trylobits's excel spreadsheet and the system (which is applying ONLY MEC1) is running tremendously well with a total gain of 43 units. It suffered ONLY 3-4 totally unsuccessfull sessions (meaning that they lost the whole 15 units bankroll) out of 50 total sessions so far. All the rest sessions were winners with a gain varying from 1-12 units each one. After each session, I was resetting the sheet. That means that I was starting to fill in the following numbers from the top of the sheet, so that it would re-evaluate the situation. I really believe that Don's software should work in this way as well (maybe including also MECE2, if he thinks that this is correct), BUT NOT EVALUATING CONTINOUSLY. Perhaps, the error is that it should reset after every W/L session. Only Don knows that for sure. I am just saying that in this way, the system works remarkably well and that he should probably re-estimate his software functions.

I'm on my way to complete a 10.000 spins sample. Then I will post my results.

Cheers

With a little bit of luck- always useful in this game,
and a fair wind, the chaps in Colomba
will be able to tweak this baby back into some measure of:-  "better than average" success.

The software correction will be here soon enough, I'm certain of that.  ;D

MyTHOS_R , thx for your reply.  How long are your sections and where do you end them?, based on a number of spins or number of total units won, +9?

vundarosa

Hi All,

Here is a email update I received a few minutes ago

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Dear Philip,

First and foremost, we express our sincere gratitude to Mythos for providing us with the most valuable and most significant guideline. We adhered to refreshing the system after a session exit at a loss of 6 or more. This will confine a session loss to a maximum of 9 chips and a decline from the peak will be arrested at a drop of 6.

In the process we removed the exit condition EXR4 and renamed EXR5 as EXR4. Also, in line with this cut off limit, we now only need a CIH of 9 chips.

All previous bugs are now corrected.

We termed the latest edition as 8th Edition and the manual is much reduced.

There are two modes of the software, one for testing and one for real wagering.

We've added the capability of loading a CSV file on the test mode, allowing the user to test and compare data without having to type in the spin outcomes.

In order to create a CSV file:

Copy the data to the first column of an Excel file.
Make sure that there are no blanks, invalid numbers and special characters among the data
Save as CSV file
Choose the load option from the dropdown "File" menu to load the file.

When using the software for real wagering the system will automatically lock the player out at the appropriate spin. Then the player has to reset and start from the begining with the new numbers emerging.

The user feedback will be greatly appreciated. The links to the software are as follows:

TESTING:

link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/arc/ARCTest.html (link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/arc/ARCTest.html)

REAL WAGERING:

link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/arc/ARCReal.html (link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/arc/ARCReal.html)

Please upload this on behalf of us. Good luck to the Roulette System Players.

Best Regards

Don and Dulan

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So as you Americans amongst us say "We are Good to Go!"  but please test, test, test and only when you are happy with the results you are getting use real money, and even when/if you do start to use real money use the smallest stakes you can even if it is only 0.10 and increase your stakes as your confidence in the system increases.

I would like to thank Don and Dulan for all the hard work they have put in getting this project to what we all hope is a successful stage, and I would also like to thank Mythos for all the hard work he has done with testing DNA and keeping the group and Don updates with his finding.

Mythos let's bury the hatchet and move on, at the end of the day we both want the same thing and that is for this project to be a success.

Thanks

malcop

Just tested 6 big session

   Spins   B   A   B+A
1   356   44   39   83
2   309   18   -10   8
3   402   20   14   34
4   327   -43   8   -35
5   380   10   -3   7
6   352   -29   -4   -33

Total Spins: 2126
Total Gain B: +20
Total Gain A: +44
Total Gain A+B: +64

It's amazing to see this was survived after more than 2.000 spins !
Still the profit is too low, but it would be amazing to have a bot playing this :)

Good work Don !!

Cheers,
Afonso

OK.

I gladly see we're altogether a big united feast now.  :thumbsup:

Once again, let's express our gratitude to Don and his nephew for the hard work and consecutive updates (despite all the odds health problems they faced!) and ofcourse for a GREAT product which now permits us to test spins in zero time.

Furthermore, we also have to thank Trylobit who was the FIRST one to come up with a kind of "software" (well, actually just a simple excel spreadsheet) which however incorporated HALF of Don's great system: DNA OF ROULETTE, including ONLY MEC1 AND WITHOUT MSSC 2.

These were the good news.

Now..let's move to the bad ones...

Please do not take me as a voice of negativity once again, because herewith
I come up one more time with FACTS and only FACTS. Results and nothing more or less. THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH!..

I have to present you something which is of great importance BUT MAINLY OF EXTRAORDINARY INTEREST!...

I have tested 3520 CONSECUTIVE spins of a great live 700.000 spins file, USING TWO DIFFERENT METHODS: I tested the sample BOTH with 1) Trylobit's spreadshet AND 2) with the updated version of Don's software. I STRECH AGAIN: I TESTED THE EXACTLY SAME SPIN SAMPLE with BOTH of the 2 availbale WAYS OF USING DON'S DNA OF ROULETTE: 1) using a simple spreadsheet made by a member of the forum who makes everything possible with excel sheets (!) and 2) using the latest sophistcated version of the html software that Don has uploaded on his Homepage.

Here are the interesting results:

1)Trylobit's Excel spreadsheet:   +86 units

2)Uploaded software:                 G/B: -99      G/A: +20    TOTAL (A+B) -79

It is also BASIC to clarify that using method 1) I exited whenever a Zero appeared and EVERY TIME that a CS was taking place.

Furthermore, it is interesting to mention that method 1) was losing an average of only 2 out of every 10 sessions with highest appearing drop a -35 drawdown (three lost sessions in a row), which were however followed by almost 10 winnning sessions (out of which, I remember at least two of them gaining the highest possible profit - that is 12 units after a winning CS!)

The conclusions are up to you...

Nobody can SO FAR say that Don's updated software is a long-term winner or loser. At least UNTIL NOW... TEST-TEST-TEST... That is my advice.

What I can say with certainty is that the spreadsheet has proved to be a long-term winner and compared to the latest uploaded software version it presents a remarkably better performance, meaning a quite more positive and productive win ratio.

I will also state once again my STRONG BELIEF that if DNA OF ROULETTE does not finally prove to be a long-term winner (in any form), then, sorry guys, but Roulette is unbeatable.

I'll close with a big and humble request to Trylobit: please Trylobit, if you still follow this thread, would you be kind enough-whenever you find time- try to incorporate into your spreadsheet the MEC2, so that it will fully apply Don's system. Because I still have a slight suspicion that the uploaded software has a failure flow point (an program error whch makes avoids it to apply CORRECTLY the whole system, thus giving wrong directions on wagering and entry & exit ponts-excuse me for streching that, Dulan!)

I still really cannot understand why on earth, the spreadsheet performs better than the uploaded software! Only Don and Dulan can come with a good answer and an EVEN BETTER VERSION!

Thanks in advance to all of you guys.


Anyway, I shall continue testing until I come up with an at least 10.000 consecutive spins sample to TEST once again BOTH of the methods...

Until then, good luck to all of the testers!

Cheers.

...Here are some more mid-way results:


4000 spins:

1) (spreadsheet):  +50 units

2) software : G/A=   +36            G/B=   -100       A+B=-64



10.000 spins

ONLY software results available so far (method 2). Method one takes time:

G/A= -149        G/B= -258(!)         A+B=-407


As u see until now, the software seems to be a long-term loser once again (whichever of the two wagering directions you choose)...

However, we still have a long way to go with the spreadsheet and it is promising so far.   

I am now exactly at the middle of my testing goal of 10.000 spins on the spreadsheet.

At 5011 spins (after the completion of the latest session), the spreadshee produced +40 units. The extreme grade of spreadsheet's percistency to hold the initial bankroll is indeed remarkable!

It will be really interesting if it will still keep a positive ratio until the target of 10.000 spins.

However, I'd say that the 5.000 spins is already a representative sample for us to characterize the spreadsheet a "long-term winner".. I may sound too optimistic, but the signs are really good and the general behavior is amazing (there has been a large number of cases, where the spreadsheet predicted correctly the appearence of zero and exited just a few spins before that!) Nevertheless, let me not be too hurried to come to final coclusions. Time will tell.

Exactly the same 5011 spins imported in the uploaded software give the following results:


G/B= -128                 G/A= +49                        TOTAL (A+B)= -79.

It seems that playing with the "A wagering direction", the software approaches the spreadsheet performance but not exactly. We'll compare them better at the end of the 10.000 spins test. Let's hope that the spreadsheet will hold until then and will not lose like the software... which presented a final -149 (see my previous post).

Hi All,

Here is my latest update emails from Don

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Dear Philip,

I see immediate user feedbacks, which are encouraging. Now, we know that there is something magical about Strategy P1AM2A and its inverse. Now it is a matter of putting our heads together in an objective manner to optimize the strategies.

After having read Mythos' comments, we can facilitate his exact requirement by way of another link, if informed. It is a matter of activating the conditions required. For example, if Mythos wants to test only with MEC1 and MEC2 with 15 CIH, we can facilitate it. Or else, if he needs the same with AC1 and AC2 also, we can do that as well. However, I need a clarification on the 10,000 records. Are they consecutive spins in quick succession or whether it is a consolidation of several sessions with interim intervals. For example, the London Smart Live Casino operates only 18 hours a day but maintain the continuity of the record numbers of the spin. The system shall be tested for the spins occuring during 18 hours of continuous play only and not as a whole, because the overall pattern for the day changes with every interim break. Therefore, it will be greatly appreciated if Mythos could elaborate on the composition of the 10,000 sample.

The best thing for us to do at this moment is to test it on free play mode on live casinos about 100 sessions and then evaluate the system. I humbly request everybody to oblige me with this data testing and post the results and observations to the forum. Also, based on such observations, we can adjust the session exit level, which is set at -6 at present, which appears to be the best level as per my current observations. However, if necessary I can always lower this limit further and allow more deeper playing and enhance the CIH to be consistent with that, in order to optimize the system. Also, if necessary, I can create two different session exit rules, one for the floor level and another for the ceiling level.

I wish to make one comment about the new system with four advance wagering conditions, with Mythos' idea of reseting the system after a session exit being incorporated into the system, the total system yields positive results on shorter sessions with around 40-50 spins in which the Strategy P1AM2A is either very strong (high and positive EV values > +4) or extremely weak (double digit and negative EV values < -5). Only the flat games (usually single digit EVS betweem +4 and -5) produce mixed incremental results, both positive and negative.   

Please post this comment to the fourm on behalf of me. Let us have a fresh start collectively to turn the tables of this evil industry in favour of the players. Once again I strongly advise the players to invest time on testing the system with new data rather than relying on large samples of old data of which the methodology of collation is not known.

Best Regards

Don

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Dear Philip,

I started testing the system with new data on the basis of two sessions in the morning and two sessions in the afternoon today. The total number of spins involved is around 50-60. I am going to test this on the basis of two sessions in the morning and two sessions in the evening. I made a remarkable observations with the first two sessions I played in the morning that AC5 (inside wagering whenever a + -, - + or + + is directed yielded a net gain of 80 chips (of whatever the value). I think this is something that the other players also shall monitor.

Dulan is in the process of incoroprating AC5 in the system to make a visual projection on the template, whenever such conditions are directed. I am maintaining all statistics of my new data testing with two live casinos and upon completion of 30 sets, I will inform the progress.

Please post this to the forum.

Best Regards

Don

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malcop

To reply to Don, the 10.000 spins are taken from a smaple of 700.000 CONSECUTIVE SPINS from WIESBADEN CASINO and they are a little bit old. I believe they are without intervals, (at least this picture has the file that I downloaded).

I made a quick test at 250 resent spins from Dublin bet casino, again both with the spreadsheet and with the software. The results shape quite the same picture as my previous results:

1) Spreadsheet final result: 0 (it was holding a positive ratio during the 80% of the spins, and it lost the bankroll in the last few sessions but still it did not go under zero!

2) Uploaded Software: G/B= -42         G/A= -24       A+B=-66

Kindest require to Don (since Trylobit seems not to be with us anymore):

Please Don, if possible, upload a version of the software that
1) uses only MEC1,
2) going through all of 15 units bankroll,
3) applying MSSCs, and
4) exiting whenever a zero or a CS takes place (whatever the result of the CS is-winning or losing!). It finally should also exit whenever a total loss of 4 units takes place just after an MSSC and inverse wagering.

This way we'll be able to test the spreadsheet of Trylobit really-really quickly (just by loading the sample numbers on the html page!)

Thanks in advance.

Hi All,

Latest email update

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Dear Philip,

First and foremost, I wish to inform Mythos that we will tailor make a program with the exact requirement specified by him, within the next few days.

Also, I satarted testing with fresh data from two casinos and for some strange reason, the London based Smart Live Casino (Live Spin mode) gives me exponential results. One unique feature of that casino is that it is spun in very quick succession, virtually like RNG and it has no real players.

Further I started testing with Colombo based BBM casino which has a reasonably long interval between the spins as there are live players on site. I was not able to outperform that for a few weeks with the old methodology, but with the new system facilitates such if only two consecutive sessions are played and the second is played with fresh 11 lead spins following the exit point. The most significant observation is that if it is played continuously as one session as directed by the system, it ends up with huge losses.
Also, the net gain went above 10 (upto 11 and 10) and then lost 6 chips in both sessions. Because of that, the net gain left from both sessions was 7.

This gives another implication. If a manual exit is made after going beyond 10 and turning back, the gains become quite significant.

Once I test the data for some time, we may be able to change the exit rule for the ceiling level, after reaching 10, in order to yield a higher return. However, it is too premature to make that change, at present.

Once again, I wan to reiterate that not to play more than two sessions at a time (at least for a half a day).

My advise to the players is not to go beyond two sessions at a time.

Please upload this on behalf of me.

Best Regards

Don

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malcop

Don, thank you for your quick reply and willingness to create this version of...half-software, as it gives signs of good performance.

It would be alsoa great idea if you could upload two options available:

1) a sub-version resetting after every won/lost session

and

2) a sub-version monitoring continuously the EVs and giving all the time entering and exiting signs.

I have a feeling that the second one might work even better than the spreadsheet, as through my recent tests I noticed a great amount of subsequent CSs during each session. To be more specific, in a lot of cases if wagering would continue after the first CS (on which like I already told, I quit and reset until now, in my tests), the session would last more than the gain-target of 9 units and come up to 20-25 or even higher gains.) I had a great deal of observations like this.

Therefore, if the software is monitoring the EVs the whole time, after each winning session exits (as soon as the first 9 won units are reached), whenever consecutive CSs continue to take place, this version will immediately give a subsequent entering sign (always ONLY by MEC1) and wagering will go on to reach higher gains.

I have a really good feeling that this might work.

Let us see.

Thanks again for the follow-up.

Hi All,

Update email
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Dear Philip

In view of the comments made by MyThos we realized that CIH 15 was the empirically observed optimal level. In software we uploaded on the 6th February we reduced it to 9 and removed EXR4 to be inline with that. Then we realized that session exits can take place even before a  MEC can occur. So we reverted the process and introduced 3 session exit conditions instead of 1 generic session exit condition in previous upload. This is clearly elaborated in the book. Now the maximum lost that could be incurred is confined to 15 chips and the gains are regulated by a drop of 5 from a peak value. We strongly advise all the users to read the book as this appears to be the optimal enhancement that could be achieved.

The current version facilitates MyThos' requirement of making the CIH 15, allowing conditional continuous wagering using AC1/AC2 after an exit from a critical spin. Further, the real wagering mode will lockout the system if a session exit is reached.

Future version of the software will consolidate all three versions of the software in to one software. Further it will allow the players to select a combination of strategies among MEC1/MEC2/AC1-AC4 and also will be parameter driven in regard to CIHs, SV, Session exit limits etc. Also it will provide a visual guide for inside wagering at appropriate spins with high probability of occurrence. In addition, we will fix the issue of not being able to edit typographical errors. However, all these improvements will take some time. We will upload updated software as and when we accomplish each task.

Please post this comment to the forum.

Best of Luck to Everybody

Don & Dulan

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malcop

Hi All,

Latest update email
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Dear Philip,

After having facilitated large scale data observations, we examined data and made the following observations.

The methodology suggested by MyThos is more effective without AC3 and AC4 for Live-spin mode. Therefore, we facilitated a seperate link with MEC1, MEC2, AC1 & AC2 with RESTART.

On the contrary, accidentally we discovered that the fully fledged system with AC1 - AC4 is remarkably better with Auto-spin and even on RNG. So, we facilitated a link for Auto-spin mode as well.

In addition, we allowed data files tobe uploaded for analysis, for both Live-spin and Auto-spin, with respective logic.

Also, we introduced a Game Direction Indicator, to suppliment discretionary exits. However, Dulan has misconcptualized it and what I expected is not reflected in the new column. I will get that corrected tomorrow.

Please provide us with feedbacks through the forum, for us to improve the system. Please upload this to the fourm on my behalf

Best Regards

Don

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Philip

Hi All,

Latest update

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Dear Philip,

I forgot to provide the new link to access the system and it could be the reason as to why the number of visitors was marginally less yesterday. Given below is the new link to access the system and use any of the four options.

link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/dna-of-roulette.html (link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/dna-of-roulette.html)

IMPORTANT:

If a player does not want to be locked out after ending a session and continue without restarting , the respective analyticl mode must be used, instead of the real wagering.

In other words, we have facilitated four options of wagering to the players. All what we now expect from the fellow members of the forum is to test the strategies with discrete samples of around 75 - 100 continuous spins (without time breaks in bewteen) and post comments to the observation forum, like MyThos did, which tremendously helped us to evaluate the effectiveness of strategies and the system and make adjustments.

My next emphasis would be to use the Game Direction (GD) Indicator and do inside wagering on selective spins. Dulan is hard at decorating the system. I noticed two negligible shortcomings in regard to calculating the GD (we do not use this at present) and restarting (which are not bugs) and informed Dulan. Most likely he will correct it during the course of the day.

Let us keep the discussion forward until everybody benefits out of the system at the end. Please post this comment to the forum.

Best Regards

Don

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Philip

Quote from: malcop on Feb 09, 11:26 PM 2011
All what we now expect from the fellow members of the forum is to test the strategies with discrete samples of around 75 - 100 continuous spins (without time breaks in between) and post comments to the observation forum, like MyThos did, which tremendously helped us to evaluate the effectiveness of strategies and the system and make adjustments.

It would be helpful if the reports were made in a uniform format!

Hi All,

Email Update

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Dear Philip,

Dulan and I are now reasonably confident that the software is free of bugs. Dulan is continuing to decorate the system with record correction facility, session direction grapichs etc.

The members appear to have gone completely silent now and we cannot figure out the reason. Any comments from the users will be greatly appreciated.

Also, we wish to change the links as follows, in a more meaningful manner. By copy to Dulan, I request to make these changes tonight.

Software for Wagering: Basic Strategy with Table Exit Rules (Most suitable for Live-spin)

Software for Wagering: Basic & Advance Strategies with Table Exit Rules (Most Suitable for Auto-spin)

Software for Wagering & Analysis: Basic Strategy for Continuous Wagering & Monitoring (Most Suitable for Live-spin)

Software for Wagering & Analysis: Basic & Advance Strategies for Continuous Wagering & Monitoring (Most suitable for Auto-spin)

Please upload this message to the discussion forum.

Best of Luck to all  Roulette Players.

Best Regards

Don

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malcop

Is someone testing this on Am Wheel as well?

Bob

Hi All,

I emailed Don to find out what is the state of play with the DNA software here is his response
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Dear Philip,

I have been testing the data, basically each individual strategy. We can now give the guarantee that the system is bug free. The total system with advanced strategies appear to giving very good results. The table exit rules are perfectly in order. I have been rigorously testing each individual strategy using a special template to find the most optimal strategy and remove all the others. I have removed one part of the Optional Advance Strategy 5 as it seems to be giving a negative yield in the long run. But the other part is really working. In addition, it appears that AC1 is ineffective and it is causing the low returns. I will test it further it and suppress it. In fact, in the absence of AC1, AC3 which appears to be effective will take charge of a rising trend. AC2 and AC4 are giving positive results and so as the MECs.

SLC, the Casino from which I take the test data has now started a deception that they hide some of the past numbers from the display. This is another clear indication that the system is working. Also, I saw several other websites directing people to use the System. One has 19000 on the counter. Further, people may be using it with a link to access it without going through the forum.

The results are good and positive. After the comprehensive test which I am currently performing, I will give the optimized strategey as the only methodology. I reiterate the fact that the Entry, Exit and Table Exit Rules are perfectly in order and there will not be any changes. The only change would be suppression of AC1, which I have not yet decided.

It is a matter of time.

Best Regards

Don

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Just as a quick test this morning I had a quick play with the system I played three back to back sessions I'm sorry I did not record each individual session outcomes I just have the total all three sessions ended positive and I made +34 units profit.

I did this on RNG for speed, and used the Software for Wagering: Basic & Advance Strategies with Table Exit Rules (Most Suitable for Auto-spin)
option Link: link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/arc/ARC_NAAS.html (link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/arc/ARC_NAAS.html)

Please understand it was only a quick test of the software just to see how it performed, when I have some more time I will do some further testing.

Guys we need to get this thing nailed once and for all is DNA a long term winner or not?  Any suggestions on how we do this would be greatly appreciated.

My other concern is bandwidth if more and more people are using the link to the software how long before we find we can't get onto the site to use the software?  Don I would like your response to this question because I think it is very important, and I am sure that one of our members voiced the same concerns a while back.

Thanks

malcop

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Hi All,

Latest update from Don
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Dear Philip,

I think I need to educate the users.

The first point is that the players appear to be testing the system in quick succession, without following the guidelines given in the book. If a session loss is made, I have asked them to refrain from wagering for a half a day. If one observes the Game Direction Idicator in the very first column, sometimes it remains on the negative side for an entire six hours. If you play consecutive sessions on a day like that, the chances of losing a few successive sessions is most inevitable. So, the players must discipline themselves to confine to maximum two sessions per day (except for RNG) with a reasonable interval in between them. On the contrary, if the Game Direction Indicator is rising and positive at the point of exit from a session, a player may go for a followup session.

The second point is that there is a relative frequency of failure of 1/3 sessions and I have introduced all possible controls to minimize the lossess in such sessions. So, just by testing the system for about 5 sessions in quick succession, one cannot assess the effectiveness of the system. In order for a player to comment on the effectiveness of the system, at least 30 sessions obtained in discrete intervals must be observed.

The thrid point is AC5 must be strictly followed to gain an ptimized and a reasonable return.

So, I wish to make a humble request from the players to test the system as elaborated above and then comment on its effectiveness.

Best Regards

Don
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My only comment is I do not know how you could apply the half day rule to Don's half day suggestion.

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malcop

Hi All,

I asked Don what was going on with his project and how he felt it was going this is his response.

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Dear Philip,

I am testing this at my end and I do not see any problem with it. In fact, there are no adverse remarks being posted to the forum by the users. Practicing of AC5  in the manner elaborated in the book is yielding very good results and it suppliments the entire risk associated with other strategies. Also, I checked each advance strategy (AC1 - AC4) and I do not have a problem with any of them. This is why I removed the option with just AC1 and AC2 only. I tested 30 live-spin samples and I have a net gain of +150 yielded by the system. So, it is upto the users to select only what they believe in as options available to them. Strategies AC2 and AC5 are highly effective. The users shall understand one fact that this is meant to play roulette as a past time activity and not a full time job. The 30 sessions I tested were done as one in the morning and one in the evening.

Thanks for all the support you extended in introducing the system to the world and defending me in that endeavour.

Please upload this comment.

Best Regards

Don

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Please feel free all of you to comment

Thanks

malcop

Hi Philip.

So in conclusion.

Is the DNA software automatic now in its bet selection?
And more to the point - is it FULLY automatic?

When the software give Us a bet selection, do we now have to read where that bet has come from (AC1- AC5) and thus determine how 'strong' the bet suggestion is, or do we just follow the selector advise, and bet with every showing?

I'm trying here to look at this from a layman's standpoint, and bring some sort of normal reference to this project.

Previously, there was a session limit of 30 spins, is this still the case?

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Perhaps, if I may be so bold, could U or MyThos or other(s), provide Forum with a new Associate Topic- (keeping this Topic clear for correspondence, and ALL matters DNA),
and maybe produce a nice Blog formate, of U and whoever, playing a game session with the DNA software?

Then we could read a minute by minute, blow by blow account, of the in's and out's of using the software.

U could tell us in layman's speak- what to look for, what the codes mean in short hand, and how the selection of bet can change the way the session progresses.
Perhaps some useful tips/tweaks might emerge from sure a session overview?

Do U think such a Blog sister act could be a good idea for This Forum?
I have not read other forums comments on this project, so I have no idea what has been said about this project by others, My main concern is to facilitate the Readers of This Fine Forum, (and myself), with as much information as possible.

.............and the idea just popped in my head.

Cheers Malcop/Philip.

Thanks for the continuing update threads.

Quote from: chrisbis on Mar 05, 05:52 AM 2011
Hi Philip.

So in conclusion.

Is the DNA software automatic now in its bet selection?
And more to the point - is it FULLY automatic?

When the software give Us a bet selection, do we now have to read where that bet has come from (AC1- AC5) and thus determine how 'strong' the bet suggestion is, or do we just follow the selector advise, and bet with every showing?

I'm trying here to look at this from a layman's standpoint, and bring some sort of normal reference to this project.

Previously, there was a session limit of 30 spins, is this still the case?

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Perhaps, if I may be so bold, could U or MyThos or other(s), provide Forum with a new Associate Topic- (keeping this Topic clear for correspondence, and ALL matters DNA),
and maybe produce a nice Blog formate, of U and whoever, playing a game session with the DNA software?

Then we could read a minute by minute, blow by blow account, of the in's and out's of using the software.

U could tell us in layman's speak- what to look for, what the codes mean in short hand, and how the selection of bet can change the way the session progresses.
Perhaps some useful tips/tweaks might emerge from sure a session overview?

Do U think such a Blog sister act could be a good idea for This Forum?
I have not read other forums comments on this project, so I have no idea what has been said about this project by others, My main concern is to facilitate the Readers of This Fine Forum, (and myself), with as much information as possible.

.............and the idea just popped in my head.

Cheers Malcop/Philip.

Thanks for the continuing update threads.

Hi Chris,

sorry for not getting back to you sooner, I emailed Don on some of the questions/comments you have outlined in your post, my problem a the moment is that sure you could ignore a particular mode but the software is set-up to monitor all modes, so for example you could decide to just bet with one mode and it my be in positive for the session but with all the other modes combined the session is in negative, and based of this information the software will exit the session!  I find that very frustrating so have not been using the software very much.

I know Don monitors this thread and maybe something could be done for example a simple check box that could turn modes on and off.

Thanks

malcop

Hi All,

Update from Don

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I tested the above data sample comprising 215 (which was identified as a tough session) and DNA system yielded a +36 and the Strategy P1AM2A yielded a +110. This implies that whenever the Game Direction Indicator (GDI) is on a rising trend, just wagering for every spin using the Strategy P1AM2A gives an exponential return. On the contrary, when the GDI is either negative or on a reverse (losing) trend, it is best to refrain from using the System as it can be interpreted as in chaos.

Therefore, I request the users to observe the above with their respective data samples and post comments to the forum. Also, by copy to Dulan, I am requesting to develop a graphical illustration of the GDI to be visually observed by the users of the system.

Please post this comment to the fourm.

Best Regards

Don

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malcop

A simple 'Traffic Light  Indicator system would be just enough.
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Red-   =don't bet............indicators are that Chaos is reigning. (Negative Array)

Amber=Bet with caution- situation is changing.

Green=Bet now, as all the indicators are for a Positive Array and outcome.

Wouldn't this be enough for most conditions?

Please pass on to Don and his team.

Regards Chris

Quote from: chrisbis on Mar 09, 08:17 AM 2011
A simple 'Traffic Light  Indicator system would be just enough.
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Red-   =don't bet............indicators are that Chaos is reigning. (Negative Array)

Amber=Bet with caution- situation is changing.

Green=Bet now, as all the indicators are for a Positive Array and outcome.

Wouldn't this be enough for most conditions?

Please pass on to Don and his team.

Regards Chris

Hi Chris,

The traffic lights are a great idea or something like it, I do think if we could have some sort of optimal betting trigger then maybe that would make this a long term profitable method.

But I can see how it would help those who use the system for on-line play but not sure who it would help anyone wanting to play this at B&M casinos.

Don monitors this thread so no need to pass on your very good suggestion.

If Don could make a few changes like your suggestion it would be great.  Maybe we could have a version that only told you to bet when the GD was in the players favour.

Thanks

malcop

Hi All,

Another update from Don.

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Dear Philip,

There are two links: (a) one with the controls and (b) one without any controls to play any number of continuous spins. The latter does not lock you out. Also, I included the newest observation I made in the book that would be uploaded tonight. Please post it to the forum.

Quote:
     "An important salient observation made subsequently reveals that when the Game Direction Indicator (GDI) is experiencing a steep rising trend, just wagering for every spin using the Strategy P1AM2A gives an exponential return, over a lengthy interval until the trend reverses. On the contrary, when the GDI is on a steep declining trend, it is best to refrain from using the System."
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Best Regards

Don

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malcop

Hi All,

Another update from Don
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Dear Philip,

With my observations, GDI can be allowed to go down upto about -10 and if it goes down, it is likely to head towards chaos. If you observe enough, you may be able to use your intuition and when the system starts recovering from a deep trough, you may enter again. For example, if the system goes down to about -15 and for 3 - 4 consecutive spins if it recovers, then wagering may be recommenced. However, the first link will strictly prevent you from going into a deep trough.

The first link is equivalent to being driven and the latter is equivalent to being shown the direction.

Best Regards

Don

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malcop

Quote from: malcop on Mar 09, 11:19 AM 2011
Hi All,

Another update from Don
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Dear Philip,

With my observations, GDI can be allowed to go down upto about -10 and if it goes down, it is likely to head towards chaos. If you observe enough, you may be able to use your intuition and when the system starts recovering from a deep trough, you may enter again. For example, if the system goes down to about -15 and for 3 - 4 consecutive spins if it recovers, then wagering may be recommenced. However, the first link will strictly prevent you from going into a deep trough.

The first link is equivalent to being driven and the latter is equivalent to being shown the direction.

Best Regards

Don

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malcop

Hi All,

My last post and conversations I have had with Don, got me thinking about what would happen if we used the GD indicator as a trigger whether we should place a bet or not.

After playing/testing sessions this is what I have come up with so far, I have achieved over  a 90%
success rate so far.

I use the GD column and look at the last three GD figures they all have to be ascending if they are I place the indicated bets, I will keep placing the indicated bets until I see the GD figure descend by two then I stop and wait for my trigger again.

Here is an example of what I look for:

11 13 14  15 14 10 - Stop Betting GD gone down two, wait for new trigger.

-6 -4 -2 1 3 1 0 -  Stop Betting GD gone down two, wait for new trigger.

If GD is less than -10 then I will not place any bets I will wait for GD to raise back up to -10 and above and bet when I have a trigger.

I'm still trying to sort out a good exit point, but that should not be a huge problem.

It is early days yet but as Don said the GD is the key, and all the sessions where I played this way my balance was higher than if I had just played to the indicated system bets.

What I am trying to do is rid the wave and when the system is in winning mode you can see the GD column raising so it makes sense to use GD as you trigger.

I did think it was a fluke at first but the more sessions I play this way the more I believe it is not, you do have more waiting around to place a bet but if it works and cuts down on the losses who cares.

Oh I almost forgot don't use the first software link use the second one, it does not force you to exit the session.

Please Note: I have only been using the trigger idea when their is an indicated bet by the software, I have not tried out betting on all Strategy P1AM2A suggestions with my trigger idea but that is something I will try out.

Thanks

Malcop

Hi, malcop! I am extremely interested in your method of play. I have tested the software myself but unsure of how to see the GD bets and how to bet according to the GD? Can you provide a guide on how to get the GD bets to show up and how to bet when they do show? Thank you!

Quote from: Droganson on Mar 11, 03:35 AM 2011
Hi, malcop! I am extremely interested in your method of play. I have tested the software myself but unsure of how to see the GD bets and how to bet according to the GD? Can you provide a guide on how to get the GD bets to show up and how to bet when they do show? Thank you!

Hi Droganson,

The tests/sessions I have done so far as I described above, you will always know what to bet because the software shows you where to place your bets.

So all you have to do is wait until the softer indicates you have a bet, then you check the GD column to see if you have a trigger.

That is all I have done for now and my results betting this way in a huge majority of sessions have been better than just placing bets when the software indicated you should, I have been in positive when the system has been in negative!

The only system sessions that had a higher positive value were sessions that the system won almost ever bet, and we know that does not happen very often!

Of course it goes without saying more testing/playing will be required.

I will look into if their is any merit in using this idea for all Strategy P1AM2A I will let you all know if that also bears fruit.

Thanks

malcop

Hi All,

I'm still having good success with my trigger idea, remember what I am doing is using my triggers as a filter, so when ever the system indicates you have a bet, I check the GD column and see if it falls within my trigger range, if it does I place a bet if not I do not place a bet simple!

Sure you skip a lot of system bets but if you end up with more positive sessions then I think it is worth it.

I have played quite a few sessions this way and the more I play the more confidence I have in my trigger idea. 

I still only use 15 units per session, and working on a good session exit strategy.

When you think about it makes sense really when the system is doing well the GD will go up and all I'm doing is only start betting when that happens.  A bit like trying to ride a trend, in this case I am trying to ride a winning trend and if it is not I just stop betting and wait for another winning trend.

For all off those that have written of DNA as a failure give my idea a try and let me know how you get on.

Thanks

malcop

Hey, Malcop. I just tested 3 sessions using 100 units and a  progression of 1,2,4 going up on a lose and going down 1 on 2 wins. I lost 2 sessions outright my whole 100 unit br and won 1 session where I gain 20% of my br for a total loss of 180 units. It was looking really good but didn't fare well for me in the end. Thank you for posting!

Quote from: Droganson on Mar 12, 03:11 AM 2011
Hey, Malcop. I just tested 3 sessions using 100 units and a  progression of 1,2,4 going up on a lose and going down 1 on 2 wins. I lost 2 sessions outright my whole 100 unit br and won 1 session where I gain 20% of my br for a total loss of 180 units. It was looking really good but didn't fare well for me in the end. Thank you for posting!

First of all, do not use a progression this is and should be a flat bet system.

And the most you should have ever lost in one session is 15 units!  

All my testing has been just flat betting no progressions, there is no need for a progression with this system.

Last night I played a session before going to bed and flat bet +20 this morning I played a session when I woke up +14 flat bet.

You will have losing sessions just like any system but as I said you will never lose more than 15 units max!

And I will state again  I have won far more sessions playing this way than I have lost.

One more thing people should test this idea out first and only if they are happy with the results start to place real money bets, and even then play with the smallest stakes possible and only increase your stakes as you confidence grows with the method idea.

After all it's your money look after it!

Ahhhhh, I see. Makes sense. Well sadly I am a progression guy so I'd use progressions even on flat betting systems. (laugh) Luckily I have enough in my casino to last me a long time but I will keep that in mind, malcop! Thanks for the information and I hope your winning streak continues!

Quote from: Droganson on Mar 12, 03:22 AM 2011
Ahhhhh, I see. Makes sense. Well sadly I am a progression guy so I'd use progressions even on flat betting systems. (laugh) Luckily I have enough in my casino to last me a long time but I will keep that in mind, malcop! Thanks for the information and I hope your winning streak continues!

No problem I'm just trying to get the best out of the system and using the GD as a trigger seems to be working, just only betting when the system is winning and trying to ride that winning trend until it stops.

Hi All,

Just a quick update I just played a session that I exited at +10, but the interesting thing was this, almost every one of the system bets lost and the software told me to exit with a -15 loss, but I had not placed any bets because I did not have a valid trigger to bet, waiting for a valid trigger kept me out of the system betting, after the software had told me to exit I had three points where I had a valid trigger, on the third trigger I decided to leave the session once the GD descended by two figures, as per my trigger rules, I could have gone on and wait for another trigger but decided to just exit with +10 that was good enough for me.

It is very important that before you place a bet you check the GD to make sure you are still in the trigger range.

But this session is the sort of thing I have seen time and time again just following the system bets resulted in a losing session, but waiting for the GD trigger produced a winning session, even if you do have to wait a bit for the triggers to come along!

Thanks

Malcop

Hi All,

I am still having very good results using the GD as a trigger for DNA, I have been playing around with a few variations of play.

What I am trying to do right now is find the best configuration to use, once I am happy with it I will post, also I have asked Andy to modify his spreadsheet for me, to play with the GD trigger, you do not need all the different modes if you use the GD as a trigger, well that is what I have found out so far.

Still waiting for him to come back to me, so hopefully it wont be long.

But the main thing is GD is the key even in Dons manual at the back he as much as hinted that the GD is a good indicator to use when playing DNA.

If you monitored GD as you used the DNA software you could probably figure out how you could use GD to your benefit.

What my main aim is I am trying to simplify DNA so that it could be played affectively at a B&M casino, at the moment with all the different modes and calculations it would be very difficult to play at a B&M casino.

Oh I forgot it has to be profitable also, will keep you all in the loop as to my progress, so far progress has all been positive.

Thanks

malcop

@malcop
I guess your success thus far provides its own motivation for continuing testing.

And you've certainly worked hard to get this far.

And I for one am VERY grateful to you for all your time, efforts and energy, and your willingness to keep us posted.

THANK YOU

[And, of course, our generous benefactor and his skillful programmer are ALWAYS included in that thanks!]

Quote from: esoito on Mar 14, 10:39 PM 2011
@malcop
I guess your success thus far provides its own motivation for continuing testing.

And you've certainly worked hard to get this far.

And I for one am VERY grateful to you for all your time, efforts and energy, and your willingness to keep us posted.

THANK YOU

[And, of course, our generous benefactor and his skillful programmer are ALWAYS included in that thanks!]

Hi esoito,

I'm still testing my idea it has changed a little bit since my last post, but so far it is looking good.

Looking at what Don has said in the emails I have posted on his behalf and what he says in his manual he has always said that GD could be a good indicator to use as when to bet or not, so all I am doing is explore how the GD figures could be exploited instead of just betting because the system indicates you should place a bet.

Thanks

malcop

Hi All,

Latest update from Don

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Dear Philip,

Sorry for the delay in responding as I was out of Colombo for four days (to teach school children) without any access to internet. I am so glad to hear that people like you all are taking a keen research interest and taking the system forward. Also, nothing gives me more pleasure than someone saying that the system is working and they are making good profits. It is a clear proof that my endeavour to outperform this evil game is yielding results. I will look into this matter and see whether I could incorporate your logic into the software program, after testing your idea. Also, I am glad that I introduced the GD, which I intuitively felt to be useful.

Further, I did not tell you that Dulan and I are developing an alternative and a highly effective system using the GD and three strategiles P1AM2A, M1AP2A and INV/P1AM2A. This is completely different to what we are doing now and it is meant for more or less continuous wagering. The visually observed test results prove that the new system appears to be more effective as all three strategies yield three waves independently and when one or two fail the other gets automatically active. Dulan would have done the testing program by now in my absence in Colombo. I will be working full time on this for the next three days and hopefully I will relaunch the book as an additional alternative strategy to DNA System under the topic "Ruin the City Of Las Vegas" by the weekend, if the observations come right.

Please post this to the fourm on behalf of me to keep them informed of the progress of the new line of research.

Best Regards

Don

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Thanks

malcop

I like reading Don's messages because they are so detailed and comprehensive  :smile:

Hi All,

Another update for you, the first email is one I sent to Don this morning with an update on how I have been testing DNA.

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Hi Don,

This is the way I am testing at the moment.

It is only using Basic Strategy.

You triggers are like this.

if the last three GD figures are going up like 4, 6, 10 or -7 , -5, --1 ect, start betting Basic Strategy.
Keep betting Basic Strategy until one of two things happen
1) the last three GD figures have gone down like 7, 5, 2 or 2, -2, -3 ec. then stop and wait for a new trigger
2) you lose all four bets on the table, then stop and wait for a new trigger.

Also it dose not matter if the GD is lower than -10

You should also use the same CIH and target as the original system, and the same CS rule ect.

I do not use your EV calculations at all in this method of play.

Thanks

Philip

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This is his reply

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Dear Philip,

I applied the new strategy to 30 original data tables and guess what. 22/30 sessions came right and the yield is +158. I think I can displace the existing system with such a simple software. I already spoke to Dulan and we decided to work on it tomorrow night. The mechanism is so simple that you can do it without a computer in the real casino. By the weekend, we should be able to upload the new system also for your testing. I have named it as System RCLV. It appears to be a killer.

Best Regards

Don

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Sure Don only tested my idea over a small sample data set, but his results bears out the sort of results I have been getting this past week.

It is too early to say if we have found a long term winner with my trigger idea, most of us have seen this all before, so all we can do is tread carefully and see where this takes us.

So all I can say for now is watch this space!

Thanks

malcop

Hi All,

Here is the latest update to Dons system, note this is not this is a diffrent varation of DNA, with a new manual, they can both be found on Don's website.

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Dear Philip,

It is 4.30 in the morning and we finally uploaded the new system. Please inform the forum and request the members to test it and post comments. The new system is much simpler than the earlier system. The system can be used as a good guideline for taking manual decisions based on the Game Direction Indicator trends.

Best Regards

Don

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Thanks

malcop

The link:

link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/dna-of-roulette.html (link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/dna-of-roulette.html)

Hi All,

Latest Update

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Dear Philip,

Dulan has corrected the minor bug yesterday. He has coded a + sign on one of the controls as a -. Now the system is fully operational. Please ask the forum members to test it. My results show that there is a failure rate of 10/30 games but the loss per session is less than the System DNAR and it is less than 10.

The beauty of this system is that it can be used even in the real casino without a computer, as the calaculation is much simpler and once the wagering strategy is selected, there are no calculations involved.

BesIt Regards

Don

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It would be nice to know if anyone has been testing this new version of DNA and how they are doing.  Remember there is a failure rate of 10/30 games so don't expect to win every sesssion, we are talking winning about two thirds of your sessions, if this strike rate can be acheived is that enough to produce long term profits, only if people test this can we find out for sure.

Thanks

malcop

Hi All,

Another update

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Dear Philip,

After a rigorous testing, we found a requirement to switch the Strategy 3 to Strategy 1, after incurring a -4 loss on NSO, if the Strategy 1 has got qualified to be wagered for simultaneously. The reason being that the Strategy 3 is a short but an exponential wave (trend). May be I will be able to improve the wagering commencement condition for Strategy 3 as well during the course of the day. Such further optimization was not possible without a computer program to test.

We will be incorporating all new observations into the logic tonight. Until such time, please request the forum members either to refrain from using strategy 3 (if it is switched on) or manually switch on to Strategy 1, upon meeting the conditions mentioned above.

Best Regards

Don

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Thanks

malcop

Hey Guys,
          There are few good and bad news. Good news is Don Colonne has launched his new research and software and he has linked this topic in his site as discussion forum. So, we are official discussion forum for Don Colonnel's roulette research.
              Bad news is that the downloads are not working properly. If anybody could download it successfully, please provide the system book+ software in a zip or rar file and upload in this topic or in downloads section of this forum, so that it can be accessed freely by our community.

I think Mr. Don A.R. Colonne should be cordially invited to this forum by Victor or Paul to opine on this.

Quote from: albalaha on Mar 23, 12:05 AM 2011
Hey Guys,
         There are few good and bad news. Good news is Don column has launched his new research and software and he has linked this topic in his site as discussion forum. So, we are official discussion forum for Don Colonnel's roulette research.
             Bad news is that the downloads are not working properly. If anybody could download it successfully, please provide the system book+ software in a zip or rar file and upload in this topic or in downloads section of this forum, so that it can be accessed freely by our community.

Hi All,

Sorry this is my fault I was aware of the problem contanting Dons site, and was hoping that it would have been resolved by now but it has not, this is what Don sent met.

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Dear Philip,

We have completed the work but we cannot upload as the hosting server in the US is disconnecting us owing either because of the entire bandwidth is occupied by the users or there is a denial of service attack on the specific applications. We are unable to either use the software or download or upload tbe books and the sofware, as of  6.00 pm today for the past seven hours. .

Let us update you with the finalized development. We removed the M1AP2A strategy after a rigorous testing and then we incorporated the conversion from the INV/P1AM2A to P1AM2A after a net spin loss of -4 on INV/P1AM2A.

The best approach would be to use only the P1AM2A upon getting activated with the GDI criteria.

Attached herewith is the latest RCLV book for your information and necessary action.

Best Regards

Don

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Now the problem of access Don's site has baught up an potential issue that has been bothering me for some time, and I have voiced that to Don in an email, to sum up I think the software should be a stand alone application, we should have two choices:

1) use the software from the site.
2) use a stand alone version of the software.

I hope Don will provide use with a stand alone version so these sort of access issues to his site will not be an issue for us in the future.

Thanks

mlacop

Hi All,

I notice that Don's site is up and running again, but please do not use the software until I get the go ahead from Don that he has uploaded the latest version of System RCLV for your use.

Thanks

malcop

The tool is working. I played my first session which reached stop loss. Not very impressive in first attempt.

Second session recovered a bit of loss but not entirely. The best thing about this tool is its money management with an excellant exit. Let's see further. I will keep reporting.

In third session,after playing 29 steps a loss of 6 units again and game stops. So far, so bad. I don't feel like playing it anymore.

Quote from: albalaha on Mar 23, 04:26 AM 2011
In third session,after playing 29 steps a loss of 6 units again and game stops. So far, so bad. I don't feel like playing it anymore.

No the tool is not working with the most up to date configuration, I did say do not use the tool until I have told you that Don has uploaded it, you are using the old version not the newer version.  Please read my next post!

Hi All,

I am still not advising that we use the tool till Don has uploaded the newer version.

Here are some recent emails between Don and myself.

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Dear Philip,

We have completed the work but we cannot upload as the hosting server in the US is disconnecting us owing either because of the entire bandwidth is occupied by the users or there is a denial of service attack on the specific applications. We are unable to either use the software or download or upload tbe books and the sofware, as of  6.00 pm today for the past seven hours. .

Let us update you with the finalized development. We removed the M1AP2A strategy after a rigorous testing and then we incorporated the conversion from the INV/P1AM2A to P1AM2A after a net spin loss of -4 on INV/P1AM2A.

The best approach would be to use only the P1AM2A upon getting activated with the GDI criteria.

Attached herewith is the latest RCLV book for your information and necessary action.

Best Regards

Don


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My reply to the above email.

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Hi Don,

I have always thought this would happen at some point, I think the way forward it to make your software stand alone, that can't be that big a job for Dulan.

This is the only way forward, whoever has attacaked you knows your software only works from your website, so to stop them in their tracks all you need is a stand alone version, please make this your priority.

Thanks

Philip

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Once again I will inform you all when Don has managed to upload the software until then DO NOT USE THE SOFTWARE!!!!!

Thanks

malcop

Hi All,

Latest update from Don.

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Dear Philip,

What Dulan did was now the software is loaded on his personal website and we provided a link. At present it works. My software in my system is seriously hacked and now we have to sit and correct the situation, as it does not allow us either to delete the corrupt system or to upload.

The RCLV system was improved in regard to ROI and the failure rate yesterday and it will be greatly appreciated if the members could test and post the observations. I saw 200 visitors today alone onto the discussion forum. If it works reasonably well, we will allow the system to be downloaded and used. I feel that RCVL is more effective than DNAR and also easy to use and monitor.

Please inform the forum that it is working but I do not know for how long. The comments posted previsously are based on the older version of the software and the new version with a conversion feature appears to be more effective.

Best Regards

Don

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As Don said in the above email he dose not know how long this will be up for so test this while you can, I would suggest that you need at least 30-50 sessions tested to see if this could be a long term winner.

Thanks

malcop

RCLV Version test

each session played up till the program stopped it(stop loss or stop win)


Session   1   -15   
Session   2   10   
Session   3   -8   
Session   4   -11   
Session   5   -9   
Session   6   12   
Session   7   12   
Session   8   -1   
Session   9   10   
Session   10   22   
Session   11   -4   
Session   12   -9   
Session   13   20   
Session   14   5   
Session   15   -13   
Session   16   -12   
Session   17   -9   
Session   18   6   
Session   19   -9   
Session   20   -2   
Session   21   -8   
Session   22   -5   
Session   23   13   
Session   24   -12   
Session   25   19   
Session   26   7   
Session   27   15   
Session   28   6   
Session   29   -6   
Session   30   15   
Session   31   -6   
Session   32   6   
Session   33   8   
Session   34   -3   
Session   35   7   
Session   36   16   
Session   37   -5   
Session   38   10   
Session   39   -14   
Session   40   -4   
Session   41   10   
Session   42   -8   
Session   43   21   
Session   44   -8   
Session   45   -8   
Session   46   -8   
Session   47   0   gave no bets up till spin 60???
Session   48   7   
Session   49   -9   
Session   50   -8   
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End profit +43

interesting...

Hi All,

Latest update from Don.

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Dear Philip,

I am highly pleased with Sekuritati's posting that he tested 50 samples and ended up with a +43. In other words, if anyone played with 100$ chips, he would have earned 4300$! Being encouraged by that posting, what I will now do is that I will sit with Dulan when both of us are a little free (hopefully in the weekend) and reduce the CIH (which is currently set at 15) one chip at at time and see whether we can cut the losses early and enhance the bottom line profit. Data testing is not that difficult now, as the program and its practical usage is quite simple.

Once we optimize the CIH with our data samples and upload the system, we request Mr. Sekuritati to use the same 50 data samples and see whether it enhances the bottom line profit. If so, we will make a copy of the software available to be downloaded that the members could use it as an offline product, undisturbed.

I always believe that patience, perseverence, determination and endurance pays off only in the long run. Let us gettogether and turn the tables around!

Best Regards

Don

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Thanks

malcop

Mr. Colonne,

I am glad I could help and have to say that indeed 15 chips session bankroll seems rather high, because some sessions start in absolute loss and in those sessions it would be better to cut losses while it is time and not waste 7 or 8 more chips. If I have to be honest there were 1 or 2 sessions where from -8 or -9 the session recovered with a profit but those were just 1 or 2 and the majority of losing sessions hit the session stop loss anyway.

If I had a say in this i'd say that 10 should suffice for those sessions that reach the session stop loss, because as it is obvious from the results some sessions were exited at -1 or -2 because the program said so as per the exit rules.

What also made an impression to me was that the winning sessions were crazy which was very refreshing to see because for example from session 19 to session 22 there were only losses then the next session made above 20 units in no time, although it dropped little by little to 17 then one total loss of 4 units and the program shut the session down as per the exit rules. That was nice to see.

My message for Mr. Don Colonne
Dear Sir,
      I am very impressed with your researchwork and its generous free distribution. One thing that impresses me most is your flat betting (always with 4 chips) coupled with a sensible exit. But, I still doubt that it can win 20 out of 30 sessions (meaning thereby a net profit at last). I most humbly request you to join this forum and enlighten us all. I sincerely wish that your this great research will benefit the entire roulette system players community. I hope that you would be able to launch the final software soon.

Hi All,

I'm glad you are pleased with what Don has managed acheive so fare, and we all look forward how far he will be able to take this, but I want to clear something up, to me this is a flat bet and it is not, let me explain the way I see things.

You risk 4 chips at each round, the following could happen.

1) You win 8 chips.
2) You Win 6 chips
3) You Win 4 chips
4) You Win 2 chips
5) You Lose -1 chips
6) You Lose -4 chips

I think I got that right I'm sure someone will correct If I have got this wrong, just got in from a long day at work  ???

But either way each round we have 6 outcomes, 4 positive and 2 negative, and because of the various outcomes you can get from placing your four chips on the table, I don't think of this method as strictly a flat bet method.

Well that's what I think anyway, please feel free to comment, disagree ect.

Thanks

malcop

Hi All,

Update from Don.

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Dear Philip,

Based on regorous testing on our data samples, Dulan and I made certain improvements in the presently uploaded RCLV software. Could you please inform Mr. Sekuritati to test the same 50 data samples again and post the final bottom line figure and the number of games in which the system failed. The current failure rate on his 50 data samples is quite unacceptable despite the fact that he makes profit and that is why we need to test it with his data. Please oblige.

Best Regards

Don

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Thanks

malcop

Hi All,

Update from Don.

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Dear Philip,

The cause of low returns and higher rate of failure appears to be the exit after two consecutive -4, -4 spin losses. I cannot test this without Dulan amending the program. He is not available today and tomorrow evening we can test the system for the validity of this condition and do the necessary amendments. Meanwhile, please keep the forum informed of this unnecessary condition. Also, ask Mr. Sekuritati to hold on testing his 50 data samples again until Sunday.

I think we can now come close to a session optimization. Also, we will experiment something else as well we have in mind to see whether it makes a difference.

Best Regards

Don

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Thanks

malcop

Dear Mr. Don,
        You can inform us directly also of improvements. Anyways, it is good that you are working so hard upon it. Philip, can you please ask Mr. Colonne to join himself in the forum?

Quote from: albalaha on Mar 25, 10:34 PM 2011
Dear Mr. Don,
        You can inform us directly also of improvements. Anyways, it is good that you are working so hard upon it. Philip, can you please ask Mr. Colonne to join himself in the forum?

Albalaha,

Don has been asked many times to join the forum and for his own reasons has chosen not to, if this is the way he wants to do things then so be it.

If you look at his website you can see he is a very busy man doing lectures all over his country.

Thanks

malcop

Dear Philip,
I can understand that he is a busy fellow but if he can spare time to write u daily, he can write here as well. Anyways, his choice.

Hi All,

Latest update from Don.

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Dear Philip,

Dulan and I worked until 4.00 am on Sunday and ultimately found a strategy with high returns and low failure rate, which defenitely appears to be a long term winner. We have uploaded it now and the feedback from the users would be of immense use to us. Also, I want Mr. Sekuritati to now test the 50 data sets and provide me with a feedback.

Please request the players to exit only if a loss of capital of 10 or more (NCG value falling below  -10) is incurred and disregard all other exit points shown in the last column. Also, the user has to make a discretionary exit upon getting 10 or more chips. Some sessions reached gains over 50 as well with our test data.

This appears to be the best out of everything. Please ask users to post respective comments and their losses / gains if possible.

Don

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Malcop

Just to be sure, we are talking about RCLV, not DNAR, yes?

I am going to test the 50 sets with RCLV and provide results later.

Rules
- exit if NCG is falling beyond -10 units, a.k.a stop loss is 10 units from highest session balance point
- exit when profit exceeds 10 units

Quote from: sekuritati on Mar 27, 03:55 PM 2011
Just to be sure, we are talking about RCLV, not DNAR, yes?

I am going to test the 50 sets with RCLV and provide results later.

Rules

Hi sekuritati,

I just re-read Don's email and I agree with your interpretation for what Don has requested.

Thanks

malcop

Well,
      It is a good news that this tool has been finally launched now. Does the system(e-book) has also been edited?

Quote from: albalaha on Mar 27, 10:46 PM 2011
Well,
      It is a good news that this tool has been finally launched now. Does the system(e-book) has also been edited?

I'm not sure if the ebook has been edited yet, but do understand Don has asked for further testing against the 50 sessions that was posted, this is still a work in progress!

I can understand that, waiting for Joro (sekuritati) to provide latest report.

Session   1   -10   
Session   2   10   
Session   3   10   
Session   4   -8   
Session   5   -4   
Session   6   9   
Session   7   -11   
Session   8   -6   
Session   9   -9   
Session   10   -9   
Session   11   0   
Session   12   10   
Session   13   -10   
Session   14   -12   
Session   15   11   
Session   16   -9   
Session   17   10   
Session   18   3   
Session   19   8   
Session   20   -10   
Session   21   -9   
Session   22   -10   
Session   23   -11   
Session   24   -9   
Session   25   -9   
Session   26   -12   
Session   27   15   
Session   28   -9   
Session   29   13   
Session   30   12   
Session   31   10   
Session   32   31   kept betting until first loss
Session   33   5   
Session   34   -11   
Session   35   3   
Session   36   -12   
Session   37   2   
Session   38   9   
Session   39   -3   
Session   40   8   
Session   41   0   
Session   42   -12   
Session   43   11   
Session   44   3   
Session   45   -9   
Session   46   0   
Session   47   -2   
Session   48   -11   
Session   49   -2   
Session   50   -10   
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End profit: -46

Minus 46 after playing 50 sessions. Too bad. >:(

Hi All,

Update emails from Don.

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Dear Philip,

The system can be further improved with two other entry points that we have already identified and we can make dramatic improvements. This topological approach appears to be the right direction as we see very good results with it. The only problem is that Dulan is not well and we may not be able to do the modifications until the weekend. Please be patient and we will have the newest version uploaded in the weekend.

Best Regards

Don

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Dear Philip,

I have a problem with test results that the new RCLV system is designed in a manner that a loss is always between -10 & -13 and a gain is always between +10 and +13. Mr. Sekuritati's observations have losses and gains outside this limit. The system is not fully developed yet and Dulan and I will be finalizing it on this forthcoming Saturday. Thus, I now realize that I have been unfair by Mr. Sekuritati by having a half baked program uploaded to make observations for data testing and posting it to be tested (even without the manual). The reason being, my oldest 30 data sets now yield over +150 with the new system with a failure rate of 8/30.

For the time being until the weekend, I expect the users to make observations of the formation of the three waves and monitor the NCG and exit immediately upon getting a surplus of over +10.

Please upload this comment.

Best Regards

Don

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Thanks

malcop

The reason for having results outside the specified limits is that I applied common sense in the testing.

For example a session starts and performs mostly in the negative then it gets with great amount of trouble to +7 for example, I exited immediatelly. Also some sessions were at +7 then a complete +8 win on the 4 bets came and it resulted in a +15. The session which is at +31 showed only wins in the whole session thats why I pushed it until first loss.

Also, 99% of negative sessions were exited after reaching around -10 from the session highest point - if i got to +5 then I lost to -4, exit. Thats why all the sessions are not at -10 or -13 because I applied this rule for the session highest point. Surely you would agree that it is better to win +4 then lose 10 units and exit at -6 - not a complete loss of session bankroll.

I will wait for a confirmation for the updated program and test the 50 data sets again. I will also attach in the post of my next testing an Excel spreadsheet with my 50 spin data sets with 50 sub-sheets. That way you can confirm on the results for yourself.

Quote from: sekuritati on Mar 29, 01:34 PM 2011
The reason for having results outside the specified limits is that I applied common sense in the testing.

For example a session starts and performs mostly in the negative then it gets with great amount of trouble to +7 for example, I exited immediatelly. Also some sessions were at +7 then a complete +8 win on the 4 bets came and it resulted in a +15. The session which is at +31 showed only wins in the whole session that's why I pushed it until first loss.

Also, 99% of negative sessions were exited after reaching around -10 from the session highest point - if I got to +5 then I lost to -4, exit. that's why all the sessions are not at -10 or -13 because I applied this rule for the session highest point. Surely you would agree that it is better to win +4 then lose 10 units and exit at -6 - not a complete loss of session bankroll.

I will wait for a confirmation for the updated program and test the 50 data sets again. I will also attach in the post of my next testing an Excel spreadsheet with my 50 spin data sets with 50 sub-sheets. That way you can confirm on the results for yourself.

HI sekuritati,it
Thank you for your update, I think you have the right idea you used you common sense and good judgement to determine when it was a good point to exit the session, no amount of manual rules could help on that manner.

The thing is the more you play a system/method the more you get to understand the strengths and weakness of the system/method you are playing, and only then can you be in a position to fully take advantage of what is going on during your session.

I think the way you played is the correct way to play and you should continue to do so.

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malcop

Hi All,

Latest update from Don.

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Dear Philip,

First and foremost, I wish to express my gratitude to Mr. Sekuritati. I am making rigorous observations for our final run on Saturday. With this topological approach based on three previously identified trends that freqeuntly occur, the present software commences wagering with 2 possible starting points. However, we see that there are 2 other starting points that could trigger commencemenet of wagering. Also, we are reexamining the present strategy switching methodology and improve it.

I have already observed the floor and the ceiling level exit points. At floor level, the exit shall take place upon the NCG dropping by 12 or more from the peak value reached, if the NCG is less than 10. The exit rule for the ceiling level is if NCG is to exit after incurring a loss of more than 5 from the peak value reached, upon NCG becoming greater or equal to 10. These two features will be incorporated into the software program.

The CIH (capital required for one session) will be raised from the current level of 13 to 15 back again.

For the time being I request the players to observe the emergence trends and take the decisions manually, if they are using the RCLV system, as the emergence of trends is clearly visible to the naked eye, which had never been the case with the DNAR system.

Best Regards

Don

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malcolp

It is the result that matters at the end. If someone is at net loss after playing 50 sessions, the method has some inherent problem and not playable at this stage. The speculation of winning 20 out of 30 sessions proved wrong so far. However, we must wait till the final and conclusive method comes on saturday. I personally believe that no flat betting method in the world can succeed in long run. I will be happy to be proved wrong by Mr. Colonne.

Hi All,

Latest update from Don.

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Dear Philip,

Finally, Dulan and I were able to come up with something very reasonable. The new software yielded +136 on the original data set obtained from the Bellagio Casino in Colombo and a +141 on the original data set obtained from the Smart Live Casino (SLC) - Live Spin Mode. In addition, the RNG data obtained from the SLC yielded a +56. However, inexplicably, the Auto Spin data obtained from the SLC yielded only -8 at the end. The four original test data sets I used in the experiment are uploaded on my website for anyone to check it themselves.

Now, we need Mr. Sekuritati to use the new software package and report the final outcome with the failure rate. The faiure rate for our data is around 2 to 3 out of 10. The new RCLV system still uses the flat bet of 15 chips and 4 chips per spin.

Please upload this e-mail to inform the members of the discussion forum, about the new RCLV system and their feedback would also be greatly appreciated. The latest manual pertaining to the system is also uploaded as well.

Best Regards

Don

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malcop

A total failure.  >:( I started playing with 10 cent bets in betvoyager no zero roulette which can be the most safe place to try any outside bet system/bot. I started with a bankroll of Euro 5.03 and lost 16 units finally. The worst aspect of the bot is, never in the entire session, my bankroll even rose to +1 unit of my initial bankroll. Stop these nonsense bots, which tries to fool us by predicting future. Here is the screenshot of my session:

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See screenshots of my session at betvoyager no zero roulette and RCLV suggested bets:
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I am totally convinced now that this does not and can not work for gain. If someone ever wins through it, consider yourself to be lucky. It is not the quality of this system which can win more and lose less.

Session   1   -13
Session   2   21
Session   3   17
Session   4   -12
Session   5   7
Session   6   14
Session   7   -15
Session   8   -2
Session   9   -12
Session   10   -14
Session   11   16
Session   12   6
Session   13   1
Session   14   8
Session   15   14
Session   16   -13
Session   17   7
Session   18   -3
Session   19   5
Session   20   -3
Session   21   7
Session   22   -12
Session   23   2
Session   24   -13
Session   25   -12
Session   26   -15
Session   27   16
Session   28   2
Session   29   14
Session   30   8
Session   31   13
Session   32   43
Session   33   9
Session   34   7
Session   35   9
Session   36   4
Session   37   14
Session   38   7
Session   39   2
Session   40   8
Session   41   23
Session   42   -12
Session   43   7
Session   44   2
Session   45   0
Session   46   4
Session   47   6
Session   48   5
Session   49   18
Session   50   12
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End profit: +207

Earning 207 units from 50 sessions is still not good by any parameter. One session usually lasts for 20 spins. So, u are earning 207 units while playing 1000 spins and risking 4000 units averagely. While, I played it earlier and this time, I never felt that it has any potency to be a winner in long run. Playing this system has no merit but you count on your luck only.

Hi All,

Latest update from Don.

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Dear Philip,

After a rigorous exercise, Dulan and I managed to outperform the Auto Spin Data Sample also and enhance the bottom line of the RNG Sample. Now the faiure rate is 3/10 maximum for all four types of data samples. However, we strongly recommend the players to use the Live Spin Mode either in Real or Internet Casinos, as the bottom lines are significantly higher than Auto Spin and RNG. Also, there is a switch at the bottom of the right end of the display to switch on the RNG/Auto Spin Mode, if a player needs to use it.

I saw one player posting a screen shot of a data sheet and commenting that the system is a total failure. Nobody can come to such a conclusion without testing at least 30 sessions, which is a fundamental assumption in Statistics. Also, we made some minor corrections in the program and I strongly advise the players to use the following link and access the system once, rather than relying on a link saved in Favourits in the internet browser.

The link to the page is as follows:

link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/arc/rclv/arc.html (link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/arc/rclv/arc.html)

I humbly request the players to patiently test the System RCVL without getting into premature opinions, as the returns are attractive enough on Live Spin mode and the system is quite simple that a person with a basic mathematical aptitude can use it in the real casino without a computer.

Also, it is noteworthy to mention that what we consider as the gain / loss is the value of the NCG column corresponding to the first EXIT instruction. If anyone is testing a seris of samples such as Mr. Sekuritati, that is the value that must be stated as gain / loss. By copy to Mr. Sekuritati, we request to examine the 50 data samples again and post the net result to the forum.

Dulan is now preparing for a major examination and I cannot disturb him until 15th May. However, as of now, the system is bug free, as per our observations, that the players can use it confidently.

We strongly encourage user feedbacks through the discussion forum, after putting a reasonable effort to test the System RCLV. Most importantly, they must specify the mode of spinning.

Best Regards

Don

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malcop

Look guys, I'm just keeping you all updated with Don's emails this is not the same method that was first posted.

I have no opinions on this system, for me it is very simple use it don't use it, you know the way it will go for one person they will have great success with it for another the will not, that is the way with any system/method because when it comes right down to it your luck on the day will play a huge part on your success or failure.

Isn't that what gambling is all about!

So if this is not for you then just walk away, and find something that suites your style of play.

Hi All,

Latest update from Don.

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Dear Philip,

As the arena gets heated up with comments, I thought of putting my sentiments into writing to explain my objective. First and foremost, I am not a gambler and only a researcher / expert on strategy optimization.

In my life I have seen many people who are addicted to gambling and got themselves financially ruined. So far in Sri Lanka, I have never come across a single gambler who has won. Many people come to relax and enjoy the life in the Casinos and they all leave empty handed on many days when they run out of luck.

As the System RCLV now yielded a +207 on 50 sessions with Mr. Securitati's data set with 14/50 failures, I gained enormous faith in the system because it is highly consistent with my observations on 30 sessions on a prorata basis.

Anyone who wants to use the System RCVL must define winning as making a reasonable profit in regard to the capital investment made, time spent and the risk associated with the system (relative frequency of failure). The interpretation of risking 4000 chips and gaining just 207 is completely wrong. The investment per session is only 15 chips and keeping the relative frequency of failure in mind, he must start with an initial investment of 15 x 5 times =75. Also, the player will lose the entire captial of 15 chips only in one or two out of the 14 sessions that have yielded a loss. The other losses are marginal. So, 207 / 75 is a 276% Return on Investment. The time spent for 20 spins is around 1 hour in the casion, therefore the total time spent is just 50 hours. So, by spending 50 - 60 hours and gaining 276% on whatever the investment amount is quite a high return from a gambling perspective. Also, if someone was playing with 10$ chips, +207 is a 2070$ income on an investment of 750$. 

Simply, the system is meant for people who like playing roulette as a past time hobby and who can be happy with reasonable returns. It is not meant for the gamblers who make wagering decisions on gut feel and just thrive only on luck. However, such professional gamblers also can get higher returns at their level of expectation by using System RCLV by wagering inside, of course with a higher risk. Instead of wagering for Dozens and Columns, If they wager inside for specific spins as elaborated in the downloadable book,  they still can be guided by System RCLV. Is not it better than relying on gut feel?

Please post this to the forum.

Best Regards

Don

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malcop

This system is trying to fight with RNG or randomness by predicting flat betting which is just not possible. When we play two dozens and two columns together(most of the time), our chances to hit a winner is extremely high and chances of a miss is extremely low in every attempt of ours, so if we get to a point in any session where a profit of 10-12 units shows by playing 4 units each time, I don't think, it is very meritorious. This can not make a long time winner. However, I appreciate the exit style of the author which is very clever. The total winning of 207 units playing 50 sessions, i.e. 4 units net profit per session, seems wierd to me because this much chips we place in every spin of ours.
            My open challenge to all such system/bot writers:
1. No one can predict future outcomes
2. Flat betting has to lose sooner than later because of house edge;
3. what the system is trying to do is to try luck only, if you are lucky, you win a session, if not lose. There isn't anything like consistancy in winning or even losings. The author's claim of winning 20 out of 30 sessions is baseless.
        Let it be tested further by other guys and give a fair and transparent report here. I am no one to give any verdict on anything. I am just giving my opinion.

Hi All,

Latest update from Don.

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Dear Philip,

I wish to provide a small clarification on the three points stressed by Mr. Albalaha. Both Systems DNAR and RCLV are not based on luck. It is based on the Theory of Chaos presented by Edward Lorenz, which states that as an event is being repeated, eventually a pattern emerges and the Law of the Third, of which the mathematical equation is discovered by me. System DNAR is based on two such patterns and System RCLV is based on three such patterns identified by us, which emerge from time to time and then holds over a reasonably long period of time in 2/3 sessions. There is a great deal of logic behind both systems and what we do is tracking the emergence of respective patterns with numerical analysis and switch on to another, when another strategy emerges. The player does not see any of these observations made by us in regard to patterns and their behaviour based on hundreds of observations made over the years. So, it shall not be undermined as a System based on luck, as the relative frequency of failure is only 3/10.

The second point is that the disadvantage arising from the house edge is already factored into the system and incorporated in the program. The net outcome is inclusive of occurence of the zero as well. So, the house edge has not been able to neutralize the surplus generated by the system over 50 data samples of Mr. Sekuritati.

Now, I do not see the possiblility of anyone making a loss of capital if 15 x 5 = 75 chips are used at the outset and if the System RCLV is used. Now, I see the confidence increasing as the number of visitors / users in the forum is rising sharply. Also, within the next few weeks I will put in an effort to further improve the bottom lines and the failure rate with a few new lines of thinking.

Please remember that 21st century is meant to change the existing hypotheses.

Best Regards

Don

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malcop

Theory of chaos and law of third are very old excuses of losses in roulette. Even if they exist, it is difficult to yield any profit from it. What u are seeing as patterns of dozens/colums are merely illusions. Remember one basic thing- any RNG or real wheel produces a single winning number everytime and not any dozen/column which are vaguely defined groups of numbers having no logical relations with each other be it on wheel or in RNG.

Hi all,

Latest update from Don.

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Dear Philip,

In regard to the comment posted by Mr. Albalaha, I wish to respond on wagering for Dozens and Columns. It is absolutely correct that the wheel produces a single number. However, the interaction of a Dozens and Columns produce 9 subsectors, each comprising 4 such single numbers. So, everytime a number occurs, it implies one of the 9 sectors as well, which is equivalent to a number in regard to Dozens and Columns. However, the payoff is equitably less, which is 1/4 of the payoff pertaining to a single number. So, it cannot be argued that the Dozens and Columns are wague, compared with an individual number. How, the Law of the Third applies to Dozens and Columns is that 3 out of 9 such sectors have a lesser incidence of occurrence than the other 6. The other 6 have a higher incidence of  occurrence, in other words a tendency to repeat, in line with the fundamentals of the Theory of Chaos and the Law of the Third both.

I thank Mr. Albalaha for his competing intellectual contributions in evaluating the effectivenes of the System RCLV.

Thanks for posting all comments on behalf of me.

Best Regards

Don

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malcop

Dear Mr. Colonne,
             If we talk of an RNG, you must be very aware of the fact that there can't be anything like sectors in that. Even, if we talk of the real wheel, if you see the position of numbers of any dozen/column, you will find that they are  neither equidistant nor they form any slice/sector on wheel, so I do not find any rational relation amongst them which can make me think that they belong to any particular group or even inter-related in any manner whatsoever. Both European and American wheel have been designed to create maximum disadvantage for the players of column/dozen or any outside or inside group bets. Only exception is Red and Black, which are evenly distributed throughout the wheel and always equidistant to each other except gap/s created by 0 and 00

Hi All,

Latest Update from Don.

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Dear Philip,

I observed a minor error on the program and I want to keep the players informed of it, until Dulan is able to correct it. He is preparing for an examination, so I do not think he can do it immediately.

While playing if the system stops directing (when it senses that it is heading towards chaos) the Net Cumulative Gain (which is used to determine the EXIT point) becomes zero if the chaos trend is continuing. Then the player has to take count of the last NCG vaule and then ensure that he does not allow the NCG to go beyond -15 manually until we correct the system. This will not seriously affect the top end.

Ask the players to key in the following number set.

29 33 02 05 21 22 32 05 18 (refraining condition and the NCG is -3) 36 (NCG becomes 0 because it is neither a refraining condition nor a playing condition) 25 20 (NCG starts with -4 and it really shoud be -7 then 15 26 15 13 7 18 (exit shall be made here despite the NCG being -9 but the real NCG is -12).

The error can easily be observed when 36 is entered.

By copy to Dulan, I make a humble request to make a correction at his earliest convenience for the benefit of everybody, as I see the number of users is dramatically increasing and they may incur unnecessary losses owing to this minor error.

Best Regards

Don

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malcop

Hi All,

Another update from Don.

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Dear Philip,

There is a minor error associated with some sessions in regard to calculating the NCG that the value can become 0 on the idle mode, owing to a technical oversight in writing the program. I will simplify the corrective measure to the error, until it is rectified by Dulan in the future. Any player shall make note of the value of 12 CHIPS, deduct that from the opening balance before commencement of wagering and keep that value in mind. If the NCG falls upto that value or below, the player shall make an exit immediately. In other words, the maximum session loss shall be between 12 - 15 chips only. Otherwise, owing to the error, a player can lose beyond 15 Chips. There is only a marginal impact arising from this error on the exit point at the upper.

I promised Dulan not to disturb him until his exams are over. He spent a remarkable amount of his time to develop the sotware to be what it is today. So, I have to keep my promise to him. However, I am keeping him informed by copying this e-mail to him.

No sooner Dulan corrects this, I will inform the forum. Sorry for the inconvenience caused to the users as we did not have a data sample reflecting this error before.

Best Regards



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malcop

Hi All,

Update form Don.

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Dear Philip,

Whenever a Stratgy changes, what is visually directed on the template and and what is stated on the "Wager" column is wrong. It indicates the direction of the previous strategy and that could cause losses. So, please ask the users to manually assume the wagering direction for the respective new strategy and not to use what is being directed. For example, when the strategy changes from 3 to 2, what is being directed is what belongs to strategy 3 and not the new strategy. However, if 2 continues thereafter, the wagering direction is correct until it changes again. It happens only when the startegy changes.

Also, I discovered a superb wagering commencement and resetting methodology. If NCG gives three consecutive but different ascending numbers (-1 1 5), (-6 -4 -2) (10 12 14) etc. commence wagering from the next spin as directed and if either a gain or a loss of 5 or more is incurred, reset the session and repeat the process.

I want the users to be aware of it.

Also, shall I suspend the System RCLV until the two bugs are corrected because I do not want the users to lose credibility on the software.

Please advise.

Best Regards

Don

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malcop

Dear All,

Latest update from Don.

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Dear Philip,

Dulan kindly obliged and facilitated both the corrections required to the program and it is uploaded with a new wagering technique also being incoroprated as well.

When the system indicates a *, the players can commence wagering and exit when they either incur a gain or a loss of 5 or more. Then the player shall refrain from wagering until another * emerges. Also, it is observed that using the three inside wagering methodologies elaborated in the book as advance strategies could yield remarkable gains. By copy to Mr. Sekuritati, I request to test the new method as well and post the results.

Please post this good news to the forum on behalf of me.

Best Regards

Don

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malcop

Mr. Colonne,
          Have you fixed all bugs or anything else still remains? I would like to test it again if you can say that your method can win 20 out of 30 sessions.

Hi All,

Latest update from Do.

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Dear Philip,

The newest RCLV Strategy appears to be be the best so far and we have fully optimized it. However, the players need to make two human decisions. Quoted below is the relevant extracts from the book.


ADVANCE OUTSIDE WAGERING:



If x y z are three consecutive NCG values pertaining to three Active Spins and if x > y > z (e.g. 0 +2 +7, -3 +2 +4, -6 -4 -2, +3 +8 +13 etc.), commence wagering as directed by the system and exit upon incurring either a gain or a loss of 5 chips or more. The idle time is more with this system but the capital investment (around 35 â€ââ,¬Å" 40 chips) and the risk is less.



Most importantly, upon commencement of wagering, if the NCG moves up by either +1 or +2 or +3 or +4 to reach an Interim Peak Value (IPV) prior to reaching a gain of +5 and then starts coming down, exit at the point when the NCG value drops by 5 from the IPV. By doing this, the losses can be curtailed below 5. Also, by placing 4 smaller value chips inside as elaborated in the 2nd and 3rd Illustrations under the Advance Inside Wagering Criteria given below, the players can get additional exponential gains in the long run.



Further, RESET the System RCLV, if the NCG becomes less or equal to -15.   



Best Regards



Don

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Hi All,

Latest update from Don.

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Dear Philip,

Dulan and I did a massive improvement in regard to commencement of wagering. Now, we avoid most of the dangerours games that would end up in a total loss of capital.

The player must commence wagering only when the buttons start appearing on the template. The EXIT points are left at the discretion of the player but the RESET is complusory when the system issues a remart RST.

Best Regards

Don

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malcop

I hope it is final now with no improvements left now. Can it fight and win randomness? Well, I seriously doubt. Any tester? Joro?

Hi All,

Latest update

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Dear Philip,

Dulan and I just uploaded the ultimate System RCLV (the 5th Edition) that works even on Auto-spin and RNG. Hereby, I request Mr. Sekuritati to test this on his large data samples and see what he gets. All what the players have to do is to key in the last 7 spin outcomes starting with a non-zero and be driven by the system. Whenever the System throws the message RST, the player has to restart the process with seven new spins.

I wish everybody best of success with the System RCLV.  I have all the confidence now in the System as I see over 100 visitors on a daily basis in the discussion forum and there is not a single adverse remark.

Best Regards

Don.

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malcop

Most of the views are probably from guests. I am very interested in the results and will test this system again. It is meant to be flatbetted, yes?

Yes, it is about betting 4 units all the time.

I think the lack of posts is because no one is winning with this.

Methods, systems, etc tend to have at least some posts from successful players when they are experiencing success.

It's the losers that don't post much.

I'm an exception.It's not working for me. Play money only.

Robert

I gave it a go as well. Played 10 sessions and won 1 :(

It is a failure, atleast for me it didn't work.

Is that the consensus?

Gone very quiet, all of a sudden!

Hi All,

Sorry my fault been busy with work and fort to post a couple of emails from don.

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Dear Philip,

Attached herewith is a simplified winning process after rigorous data testing for a few days using the existing program. I developed the relevant pages in the form of a Tutorial that the people can learn it with a demonstration. Wagering commencement has to be done manually using the detection system. Please upload the attachment onto the discussion forum on behalf of me. I request the players to test it out with their data sets and post the results. If it works for them I will request Dulan to maka the changes in the process after the 14th May. Otherwise I do not want to waste his efforts to develop a new software. Thus, it is absolutely essential to have the feedback from the users.

I applied this on the toughest data set I have encountered and the system yielded a +47.

Best Regards

Don

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malcop

Hi All,

Update email

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Dear Philip,

After a thorough analysis we realized the low returns were attributable to the point of wagering commencement. Thus, we experimented a new wagering commencement and a restart criteria, which is remarkably better than the old strategy. The criteria is clearly elaborated in the book.

Please inform the players to try the enhanced version. Also, the wagering decision has to be taken manually and the columns are rearranged to be very user friendly to the naked eye.

Please upload this on behalf of me.

Best Regards

Don

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malcop

Hi All

Latest update

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Dear Gentlemen,

With confidence I am forwarding this latest version of the System RCLV. Please take me seriously as some of you did not believe it.

Best Regards

Don

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Dear Philip,

After a rigorous data testing now I have discovered the most appropriate wagering commencement conditions for the Macro and Micro RCLV strategies. Attached herewith is the latest instruction manual to be uploaded. The players do not have to read everything to use the system but they must read only page 12 for the Macro Strategy and pages 13 - 15 for the Micro Strategy. It is most advisable to do practice demonstration exercises to be familiar with the System RCLV, prior to using it. Once wagering is commenced, they can simply be driven by the System. Now, the level of confidence is such that I can give an assurance signed in blood that it will work and the players would be satisfactorily up on the deal in the long run!

Also, it is noteworthy to mention that System RCLV is much more reliable than the System DNAR and also the Micro Strategy of System RCLV is safer than the Macro Strategy.

Please upload the attached latest E-book for the benefit of the regular users numbering to about 50 a day. Now, the players may confidently circulate this among their colleagues. It will be greatly appreciated if they could provide me with feedbacks either through the discussion forum or by sending an email to darcolonne@yahoo.com.

Good luck to the Roulette Players around the world. Let us turn around the Roulette Tables around the world.

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malcop

It is again, a very big claim. Need to be tested.

Quote from: albalaha on May 18, 12:20 PM 2011
It is again, a very big claim. Need to be tested.

Of course it needs to be tested, but how many people have got the balls to put their neck on the block like Don!

I do not know if this system works or not as Don says I have not tested the update yet, but I applaud him for the courage of his convictions!

And wanting to share with all and nothing in return for himself.

I agree that he has not charged for it but if it doesn't win as promised, it is not good for free even. Lets test results come.

Quote from: malcop on May 18, 12:25 PM 2011
Of course it needs to be tested, but how many people have got the balls to put their neck on the block like Don!

I do not know if this system works or not as Don says I have not tested the update yet, but I applaud him for the courage of his convictions!

And wanting to share with all and nothing in return for himself.

YES!!!  I strongly second that.  :thumbsup:

Kindly and charitably stated, Malcop.

Continual carping criticism is misplaced at the moment and I would like to see it stop for the time being.

Of course the system needs to be tested -- comprehensively.

Until that has been done, blanket criticisms are unwarranted, unfair and without foundation.

Meanwhile, potential testers will be encouraged by this extract:

"The players do not have to read everything to use the system but they must read only page 12 for the Macro Strategy and pages 13 - 15 for the Micro Strategy. "

the author is seriously deranged.  I have followed his work from the first edition of the roulette system and even helped him with it.  all he does is keep adding more and more rules that will not make his system work, though he thinks they will.  no one can even follow it anymore.

Quote from: Red Nickels on May 18, 08:24 PM 2011
The author is seriously deranged.  I have followed his work from the first edition of the roulette system and even helped him with it.  all he does is keep adding more and more rules that will not make his system work, though he thinks they will.  no one can even follow it anymore.

MODERATOR'S WARNING

Red...You may be right; you may be wrong.

Given that this is a new, as yet untested version, with a simplified approach then I suggest you keep your powder dry until test results are in.

And unless you have evidence of derangement then you are skating on very thin ice indeed.

Look up the word LIBEL in your dictionary.

Unless you can provide professional evidence (not just your opinion) then kindly post a prompt apology, or you'll be on the receiving end of consequencies.

Quote from: Red Nickels on May 18, 08:24 PM 2011
The author is seriously deranged.  I have followed his work from the first edition of the roulette system and even helped him with it.  all he does is keep adding more and more rules that will not make his system work, though he thinks they will.  no one can even follow it anymore.

I have to say I tried the Macro method and it was OK but it was only a short test but I cannot follow the Micro method, I am sure it is easy to Don but it is not as easy as Don thinks for the rest of us, but I will see if I can get my head around it, only in the interest of being fair.

Don't have a cow man.  ok just delete my post.  sorry I didn't say in my opinion the man is deranged (slight exaggeration.)  but I have seen him reverse engineer his system a hundred times to fit his results, and I have read his-- in my opinion-- ridiculous claims and statements.  and I have spent a lot of time with his-- in my opinion-- worthless system.  and if he thinks anyone can follow all his rules anymore, then-- in my opinion-- he is a bit crazy.  but hey-- roulette makes us all a bit crazy, doesn't it?  one might say it's a bit crazy to think we can beat it.  and insanity has often been defined as doing the same thing over and over and thinking you will get different results.  which has been going on quite a bit and for quite a long time, at these roulette forums.

OK. I'll take that as an apology.

Hopefully Mr Colonne will accept it as such.

We must all be very careful not to make libellous comments in the heat of the moment.

To be safe:  always play the ball and NOT the man.

In other words, aim any critical comments at a system or method only, and definitely not at the person who created the system.

Libel is basically defined as false and malicious written comments

Slander applies to the verbal equivalent.

Both are actionable in many jurisdictions.

perhaps you could delete replies 309 (starting with my mean one) through to this one before any more are added to this thread, and then we can all be happy again.

Hi All,

Latest update
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Dear Philip,

First and foremost, let me thank you for facilitating and taking my work forward for the benifit of everybody. There were a few very encouraging offline email communications, in regard to this latest edition.

The Micro Strategy has a few simple calculations to be made and the Marco Strategy involves only making a fundamental observation. So, those who are weak in their numerical apptitude can simply resort to playing the Macro Strategy, being strictly guided by the system subject to the exit and restart rule.

Also, those who want to play it in the safest way can commence wagering only if both Macro and Micro wagering commencement criteria are met.

Please upload this comment. 

Best Regards

Don

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malcop

Hi All,

Latest Update

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Dear Philip,

Using the fundamentals in both Micro and Macro, the player can form his own convincing variations. This morning, I played the Colombo BBM casino and made a gain of +28 chips. I now use two further risk mitigation rules for Macro that I commence wagering only if the corresponding GD value is also positive and restart the system when all NSO values simultaneously become negative. It further reduces the risk but I want to test it thourouly before I incoroprate them into the manual.

Best Regards

Don

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malcop

Hi All,

Latest update from Don

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Dear Philip,

Based on your idea to combine Micro and Macro entry conditions, Dulan and I discovered a very good strategy which produces the best ever results since the inception of our research. We created a separate software link to use this HYBRID system which is simply system driven. We worked till 1.30 in the night yesterday and uploaded the new software without the EXIT condition. During the weekend, we will incorporate the exit condition as well, so that it will be a fully fledged user friendly software package. For the time being, ask the users to strictly go by the exit condition stated below. Please upload the file and the contents of this e-mail on my behalf.


COMPULSORY EXIT RULE:



·         Exit upon reaching either (a) a gain of 10 or more or (b) a loss of 7 or more or (c) at the spin following the Critical Spin and RESTART with the last six spin outcomes.



DEMO-19: 25-29-20-9-30-33 gives the value 2 under STGY on the 5th and the 6th lines. The value on the 6th line under GDI2 is 7 (DEMO-18). Then the three following spin outcomes 17-18-13 give net gain of +9. If the next spin directed (ACLM) to wager for comes right on both the Dozens and the Columns, the gain would exceed the value +10. Therefore, the next spin shall be treated as a Compulsory Exit Point, and the system must be restarted.



Best Regards



Don

[1] The value to be used for the purpose of observing the Critical Spin.

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This is just a re-cap on what the potential win would be for each combination of winning chips:

1 Win = 03 Chips Returned â€" 4 Chips = -1
2 Win = 06 Chips Returned â€" 4 Chips = +2
3 Win = 09 Chips Returned â€" 4 Chips = +5
4 Win = 12 Chips Returned â€" 4 Chips = +8

Critical Spin

If you are at +6 and the bets placed would yield +5 if all bets won you would exit win or lose because if all bets placed won you would have had a session win of +11.

So when working out if you are at Critical Spin look at if the next bet placed would take you over +10 or more if all potential bets won, if yes you are at Critical Spin.

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malcop

During the past 2-3 months, even though I was not participating too much, I was keeping an eye into the evolution of DNA of roulette.

I have a simple question after almost 1.000.000 changes and modifications... The final hybrid version of MICRO and MACRO gives a sign for betting EXACTLY the OPPOSITE of the initial system created by Mr Colonne. How on earth is this possible and on which basis can anyone evere trust something that has changed exactly 100% (OR WE COULD SAY IN OPPOSITE 180 degrees direction!)?

To be more specific, if the initial system of DNA (based on Trylobit's excell worksheet) would suggest at some point a wagering of, let's say AB & 2L, the final version NOW suggests to wager 2C & KL! It is obvious that one of the two is completely wrong...

My experience with the initial system was splendid, it worked almost perfectly, while the final hybrid system fails almost every time...

How come Don insists that the final version is better? And if he is sure about that, does he now admit that the first system was a mistake? I mean, I had some faith in this system believing that it is based upon mathematical equations and on the law of third... I'd kindly request to Mr Colonne to explain to us which was the mistake in the first place...

We are talking about maths here.. 1+1=2... or maybe not?

Thanks in advance

I think it more likely to be this equation.

(+1) + (-1)= and the answer is there for all to see.

It does seem a remarkable turn-around of events.

Perhaps a few members here could set up a testing group, and let run a full test in a chosen group of casino interfaces (Some real Live, some Air-ball and maybe one RNG) and see where we area all at with this DNA program.

I'd be up for running a dedicated test sequence if we could all agree a test strategy/size/formate, and how the results were to be published.

Hi All,

Yes I believe that some form of structured testing is needed, only then can we say once and for all if this method works or not.

I have attached a spreadsheet of 11 sessions I played over the weekend on William Hill slingshot, 10 winning sessions out of the 11 sessions played, I ended at +41, averaging 4 units per session.

This was a very quick test and I am in no way saying that the winning trend I had would continue.

If I can find more time this week to do more testing I will post, but have studying to do.

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malcop

Philip (Malcop) is a very mature player. If there is a winning of 10 amongst 11 sessions by a single technique, it is definitely worth looking very seriously.

Quote from: albalaha on May 31, 01:19 PM 2011
Philip (Malcop) is a very mature player. If there is a winning of 10 amongst 11 sessions by a single technique, it is definitely worth looking very seriously.

Hi Albalah,

Yes I think it needs looking into further, but I could have just been very lucky, I think this system you will find it is 3 steps forward and 2 steps back!

Use between 5-10 sessions buy-ins of 15 units so 150 units would give you 10 sessions more than enough to prove if it works or not.

Oh I forgot to say the RCLV Hybrid has now been updated with the start/exit points.  So all you will have to do is enter the numbers and the software will do the rest.  Please keep a careful eye on when the software tells you to reset and wager.

Read pages 12-15 of the manual, and if you start or reset it means you enter the last 5 numbers spun.

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malcop

7 sections with past actuals from two days ago:

*section 1:  -8u
*section 2:  +4u
*section 3:  -7u
*section 4:  -7u
*section 5:  -9u
*section 6:  +12u
*section 7:  -5u

doesn't look too convincing.
This was with the Hybrid software

vundarosa

"Read pages 12-15 of the manual, and if you start or reset it means you enter the last 5 numbers spun."

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Aha!, will test again with the same spins and post back results

vundarosa

Quote from: vundarosa on May 31, 01:56 PM 2011
"Read pages 12-15 of the manual, and if you start or reset it means you enter the last 5 numbers spun."

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Aha!, will test again with the same spins and post back results

vundarosa

Yes when the software indicates a reset, you must click the reset button it will clear all the numbers you have entered effectively starting you from scratch.  Then you enter the last 5 numbers and wait for the next number to spin once you have 6 numbers the software will indicate if you have a wager or a reset, if wager you continue following the betting advice, if reset then you must click the reset button again and re-enter the last 5 numbers and wait for the next number to be spun giving you six numbers that's it simple.

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malcop

Quote from: vundarosa on May 31, 01:56 PM 2011
"Read pages 12-15 of the manual, and if you start or reset it means you enter the last 5 numbers spun."

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Aha!, will test again with the same spins and post back results

vundarosa

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Ok, taking the same spins, entering the last 5 numbers when reseting or starting gives 11 sections.

*section 1:  +1u
*section 2:  -7u
*section 3:  -7u
*section 4:  -2u
*section 5:  -7u
*section 6:  +4u
*section 7:  -8u
*section 8:  +15u
*section 9:  -3u
*section 10:  +4u
*section 11:  -5u

total loss -15u

vundarosa

Hi All

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Dear Philip,

Dulan incorporated two reset buttons onto the program and the RCLV-HYBRID System is fully automated now. Also, after making rigorous realitly testing  based on your observations, I incorporated one simple control to the program that if the NSO corresponding to the STGY is -4, not to commence wagering as an additional precautionary measure.

With these two improvements, all such projects come to an end and I will leave it for other researchers to take my work forward and create an opinion in regard to the Law of the Third and the three regulatory patterns identified by me. I am sure that an expert in Artificial Intelligence could do wonders with the observations made in this tedious Fundamental Research.

There was a full page article about me, the Law of the Third and the Systems DNAR & RCLV yesterday (9th June 2011) in a London based Sri Lankan Newspaper circulated free of charge. The electronic version is available in WWW.NEWSLANKA.NET (link:://WWW.NEWSLANKA.NET)

My work would not have gone that far, had not it been for you and I wish to express my sincere gratitude to all those who defended me at difficult time and extended enormous cooperation and understanding by testing data, making suggestions etc. Also, Dulan is the live-wire behind this exercise and I wish to express my special thanks to him for all those sleepless nights he spent with me, despite his busy work and study schedules.  With this e-mail, the war I fought since March 2008 comes to and I wish to silence the guns. Best of Luck to all of you!

Best Regards

Don

PLEASE POST THIS TO THE FORUM

Don

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malcop

Quote from: malcop on Jun 11, 02:53 AM 2011
Hi All

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Dear Philip,

Dulan incorporated two reset buttons onto the program and the RCLV-HYBRID System is fully automated now. Also, after making rigorous realitly testing  based on your observations, I incorporated one simple control to the program that if the NSO corresponding to the STGY is -4, not to commence wagering as an additional precautionary measure.

With these two improvements, all such projects come to an end and I will leave it for other researchers to take my work forward and create an opinion in regard to the Law of the Third and the three regulatory patterns identified by me. I am sure that an expert in Artificial Intelligence could do wonders with the observations made in this tedious Fundamental Research.

There was a full page article about me, the Law of the Third and the Systems DNAR & RCLV yesterday (9th June 2011) in a London based Sri Lankan Newspaper circulated free of charge. The electronic version is available in WWW.NEWSLANKA.NET (link:://WWW.NEWSLANKA.NET)

My work would not have gone that far, had not it been for you and I wish to express my sincere gratitude to all those who defended me at difficult time and extended enormous cooperation and understanding by testing data, making suggestions etc. Also, Dulan is the live-wire behind this exercise and I wish to express my special thanks to him for all those sleepless nights he spent with me, despite his busy work and study schedules.  With this e-mail, the war I fought since March 2008 comes to and I wish to silence the guns. Best of Luck to all of you!

Best Regards

Don

PLEASE POST THIS TO THE FORUM

Don

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malcop

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barf!, still losing the same that's for sure.

25 sections
Loss: -31 units

vundarosa

Reading between the lines I think he's saying "I can't make it work so I'm giving up".

Robert

Quote from: trebor on Jun 11, 06:45 AM 2011
Reading between the lines I think he's saying "I can't make it work so I'm giving up".

Robert

I do not know for sure but I think we can safely say this thread is now closed!

The software is there for anyone who wants to use it and the to new reset buttons do make it easer because it automaticly puts back in the last 5 or 6 spins for you.

Quote from: malcop on Jun 11, 07:14 AM 2011
I do not know for sure but I think we can safely say this thread is now closed!


I won't close/lock it just yet.

We need to leave it open a while for those that wish to post results.



The software is there for anyone who wants to use it and the to new reset buttons do make it easer because it automaticly puts back in the last 5 or 6 spins for you.

Hi All,

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Dear Philip,

As per the comments posted by the colleagues in the forum, I wish to clarify one point. I am concluding the Research with utmost optimism, that it works now. I can provide an assurance signed in blood with that. If the players follow the off-line controls suggested in page 16 and cautiously commence wagering, I am sure that everybody can win now. Most importantly, prior to commencement of wagering, key in the immediate past 10-20 spins available on the electronic panel into the MICRO / MACRO Link and do not commence wagering if the NCG value is on a declining trend. Further, the very last control should drastically reduce the failure rate and now the system is highly effective. It was the main cause of session failure. Test a few large data samples containing in excess of 100 spins and see what the final outcome is. Also, I strongly suggest not to play more than two consecutive sessions in every three hours interval. However, if someone wants to get indulged in continuous wagering, a discretionary strategy may be used that to commence wagering with the HYBRID entry conditions and thereafter play as directed by the MICRO / MACRO Link, subject to the relevant exit rules to be adhered to with visual observations. The system is so flexible now.

Also, do not close the thread as the next phase of posting comments would be rather interesting as the number of users will rise exponentially in the time to come.

Best Regards

Don

PLEASE POST THIS TO THE FORUM ON BEHALF OF ME

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One thing I have to ask if anyone is test this are they following Don's instructions to the letter, if they are not then they can not say this is a failure because they will not be playing the same way as Don has been playing, I mean right down to qualifying the table before play.

I know I have not done that so far, and until I have done exactly as Don recommends, right down to qualifying the table before play I will hold my judgement, on this system.  One more thing on the new hybrid the two rest buttons are there to make it easer for you, so if the software says reset5 press the reset5 button and it will enter the last 5 numbers spun.

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malcop

Hi All,

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Dear Philip,

It is 2.00 am on Sunday at this end and I was monitoring the Smart Live Casino for a few hours, in order to figure out the way of doing away with the element of subjectivity involved in the process of determining the overall trend of the table, in order to streamline the table qualifying criteria. I managed to find it and asked Dulan to introduce a RSET15 button onto the MACRO / MICRO Link for the players to keep loading the last 15 spins and harmonize the STGY columns on both links quickly and methodically and then only to commence wagering. Upon commencement of wagring the player shall continue to monitor both links if he or she intends to go for a new session. This new feature would further eliminate the risk of failure.

This will be done within the next 12 hours and please upload this comment to the forum as well.

Best Regards

Don

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malcop

Well, U can't say that Don has not got his finger on the Pulse of this thing can U?

Cheers Don, and Dulan  :thumbsup:

I really appreciate the efforts of Mr. Colonne. Hope to see reports of some winning sessions. Anybody?

Hi All,

Latest update from Don

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Dear Philip,

Please upload the following user interface instructions to the fourm. Then, the users need not wreck their brain to understand how to use the system.

Best Regards

Don


·         Starting with a non-zero, key the last 12 spin outcomes into the MMD Link.

·        The 12th record on the MMD Link will always indicate either RST11 or HYBRID.

·         Whenever RST11 is indicated, click the RST11 Button and keep refreshing until HYBRID appears on the 12th record.

·         Whenever HYBRID is indicated on the 12th record, key the last 6 spin outcomes into the HYBRID Link.

·         The 6th record on the HYBRID Link will always indicate either RST5 or WGR.

·         Whenever RST5 is indicated, click the RST5 Button on the HYBRID Link and click the RST11 Button on the MMD Link simultaneously.

·        Keep aligning the 6th record of the HYBRID Link and the 12th record of the MMD Link, as elaborated in the steps above.

·         If WGR is indicated, commence wagering as directed by the HYBRID Link until a RST6 is reached, while simultaneously updating the MMD Link also with all subsequent spin outcomes.

·         Upon getting a RST6 on the HYBRID Link, refresh the HYBRID Link using the RST6 Button and the MMD Link using the RST12 button and repeat the steps above.



       Whenever RST5 is indicated on the HYBRID Link, the next spin may be wagered for, if one of the OPTIONAL ONE-SPIN WAGERING CONDITIONS elaborate above is fulfilled (Demo 19 & 20).

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malcop

Hi,

I'm sorry, I was trying to follow this instructions, but I got lost in setp 3.

Also, please, confirm me that the MMD link is this link:
hxxp: :. neworiginalthinking. com/arc/rclv/arc. html


This part is fine:

"

·         Starting with a non-zero, key the last 12 spin outcomes into the MMD Link.

·        The 12th record on the MMD Link will always indicate either RST11 or HYBRID.

·         Whenever RST11 is indicated, click the RST11 Button and keep refreshing until HYBRID appears on the 12th record.  "


I have inserted the 12 spin results, and yes, the 12th record indicates HYBRID in the 20th column for this record.

Then, the next steps , I'm lost.  It says:

"
·         Whenever HYBRID is indicated on the 12th record, key the last 6 spin outcomes into the HYBRID Link.

·         The 6th record on the HYBRID Link will always indicate either RST5 or WGR.
"

What is the HYBRID Link? Where is that link?
I tried to input a series of 6 spin outcomes (after the initial 12), but no sign of any "RST5 or WGR". 


Thank you.

Hi

On this link link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/dna-of-roulette.html (link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/dna-of-roulette.html) you will see at the bottom of the screen these two options, you will have to open up two browser tabs, on for the Macro/Micro and one for the Hybrid strategy, and switch between the two as Don's instructions.



   Software: System RCLV for MACRO / MICRO / DISCRETOINARY Strategies (must read the E-book)
     Software: System RCLV for HYBRID Statergy (must read the E-book)

Hope this helps

malcop

Can we use the bots alone or we do need to study and understand the theory part too?

Quote from: albalaha on Jun 16, 02:40 PM 2011
Can we use the bots alone or we do need to study and understand the theory part too?

I would read from pages 12 onward as Don recommends, not much to understand or study.

Hi All,

Update

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Dear Philip,

I think I shoud clarify this as follows:

Quote:

The wagering commencement conditions for the Macro / Micro Strategies was based on visual observations. After having developed the HYBRID Link for which the wagering commencement triggering condition was a combination of the wagering commencement conditions of Macro and Micro strategies, now the HYBRID Link can be used to get the wagering triggered for the Macro Strategy. I discarded the Micro Startegy as it was quite complicated and difficult to use.

Keep keying in and refreshing the HYBRID Link with the last six numbers until wagering gets triggered and then open the MACRO Link and key in the same six numbers and continue with the MACRO Link. Also, the player may close the HYBRID Link after keying in the same six numbers onto the MACRO Link. However, the exit conditions on the MACRO Link are not regulated by the system and the exit has to be made as per the guidelines in the respective page in the e-book.

Unquote

Please upload this quote, instead of the e-mail.

Best Regards

Don

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malcop

Hi there all.

The step-by-step guideline instructions by Don in his previous update were clearer and more straight-forward than his last one update. I think that now the instructions are more confusing. Should we first use the HYBRID or the MICRO-MACRO link? Which is the correct sequence? FINALLY, which is the correct way of using this method and software links? I've been so FED UP by all these modifications and changes. PLEASE, ..give us FINAL and straight-forward instructions of applying this "blood-signed" guarranteed system, so that we'll all be able to test it TOGETHER and IN EXCLUSIVELY ONE way and come to a FINAL conclusion... whether it is long-term winner or not!

Otherwise, there will always be shadow and doubt about its effectiveness.

For God's shake, Don, I'm begging you! Please, decide for good which one of all 100 described ways is the one that applies perfectly (or at least which is the most approaching) the DNA idea, the law of third and the mathematical equation that was used to perform this science-fiction project. Please. Once and for all.

Malcop,  Thanks for your patience with this.  I hope in the end, it proves to be worth it.

GLC

Quote from: GLC on Jun 19, 09:51 PM 2011
Malcop,  Thanks for your patience with this.  I hope in the end, it proves to be worth it.

GLC

I hope in the end it proves worth it, but I have to say I am also still confused to what Don says to do in his latest emails.

I'm sure it is clear to Don, but for me I have to say it is as clear as mud. Maybe if I read it through twenty times or so it will make sense who know?

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malcop

I'm sure I'm not the only one that can relate to this frustrated appeal from MyTHOS_R:

For God's shake, Don, I'm begging you! Please, decide for good which one of all 100 described ways is the one that applies perfectly (or at least which is the most approaching) the DNA idea, the law of third and the mathematical equation that was used to perform this science-fiction project. Please. Once and for all.

Hopefully his heartfelt plea will be answered.

Quote from: MyTHOS_R on Jun 19, 06:16 PM 2011
Hi there all.

The step-by-step guideline instructions by Don in his previous update were clearer and more straight-forward than his last one update. I think that now the instructions are more confusing. Should we first use the HYBRID or the MICRO-MACRO link? Which is the correct sequence? FINALLY, which is the correct way of using this method and software links? I've been so FED UP by all these modifications and changes. PLEASE, ..give us FINAL and straight-forward instructions of applying this "blood-signed" guarranteed system, so that we'll all be able to test it TOGETHER and IN EXCLUSIVELY ONE way and come to a FINAL conclusion... whether it is long-term winner or not!

Otherwise, there will always be shadow and doubt about its effectiveness.

For God's shake, Don, I'm begging you! Please, decide for good which one of all 100 described ways is the one that applies perfectly (or at least which is the most approaching) the DNA idea, the law of third and the mathematical equation that was used to perform this science-fiction project. Please. Once and for all.

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My feeling exactly! If it works, the way Don says it, then all we need is the way it works, not this constant bait and switch....

vundarosa

Hello guys.

Thanks to everyone for adopting my feelings and thoughts concerning the DNA of roulette and regarding the latest comments by its creator. It seems that Don has finally abandoned us. Or maybe he'll come back with a new approach of applying the system or software! I was one of the first believers of this system and still have some faith that it could beat roulette in long term. I even had some e-mail correspondence with Mr Colonne (in the beggining of this project) concerning the law of thirds, his system and other methods applying the same law, in order to better approach the desirable target. May be more serious matters keep Don away from this project or perhaps he fianlly realized himself that the software fails long-term. We'll soon know for good.

I would just like to mention something from my personal observations and testing with the Hybrid version. It certainly has a noticable REALLY BIG success rate! It looks like predicting the wheel, even though we should better state that it just applies the law of thirds in certain intervals and in terms of dozens and coloumns. However, it seems that SOMETHING is missing. This project has started correctly, targets quite succesfully but there is something missing from the pazzle.

Here is a suggestion...Since, Don is not helping anymore, let's all share our thoughts and observations, so that-IF there is ANY chanse at all-we exhaust the method and come to a final verdict, whether it is a long-term winner, and in which final way.

My tests in all suggested ways of using the software have ALL failed.

However, I still stronly believe, there is ONE & only way that this thing works. And that is because it meets all the criteria for a long-term winner:

1. It applies the law of thirds in terms of dozens & columns, 2. When it wagers, it covers a big surface of the wheel, 3. It is based on mathematics and most importantly...4. It DOES NOT use any kind of progression, it only wagers when circumstances are favorable, FLAT BET.  :thumbsup:

If there would be any holy-grail EVER, then it should be THIS ONE.. But when applied in which way of all ??  ???

What about you people? Did anyone try anything promising?

Let's hear some thoughts.. And may be, we all together complete the pazzle picture.

Hi All,

Sorry I forgot to post these emails from Don

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Dear Philip,   I see some players are confused with the wagering commencement.    WAGERING WITH HYBRID - SAFEST:   Open the MACRO Link and key in all the records available on the Electronic Display Panel, observe the general trends and click RST12 button   On the 12th record it will indicate either RST11 or HYBRID   Whenever RST11 appears, keep refreshing with RST11 until HYBRID appears   Then open the HYBRID link and key in the last 6 numbers. it will indicate either RST5 or WGR   If it is RST5, refresh HYBRID Link with RST5 and MACRO Link with RST11.    Commence wagering as directed by the HYBRID Link when MACRO Link indicates HYBRID and HYBRID Link indicates WGR.    The system will lead to an automatic exit.    WAGERING WITH HYBRID    Key in the last six spin outcomes and wager as directed and exit as indicated.    Keep refreshing with RST5 until the system starts directing by indicating WGR   WAGERING WITH MACRO - RISK MITIGATED STRATEGY    Open the HYBRID Link and key in the last six spin outcomes until WGR gets triggered.   Keep refreshing with RST5 until the system starts directing by indicating WGR   Then open the MACRO Link and key in the same six numbers and commence wagering as directed by the MACRO Link, until an exit point is reached.    Close the HYBRID Link   WAGERING WITH MACRO - DIRECT STRATEGY    Keep refresing using RST11 button until HYBRID appears on the 12th record   Whenever HYBRID is indicated, commence wagering as guided by the system until an exit point is reached.    Also ask the players to make note of the DIAGONAL OBSERVATIONS, which are not incorporated into the system logic.    Best Regards   Don

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Hi Don

I can tell you before I post it that this will confuse users, also their is to much switching about, for example I play on slingshot roulette, and I only have 45 seconds between each spin, not enough time with all this switching between the links, is ther anyway you get get hybrid to do all of this tracking?

Thanks

Philip

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Dear Philip,    I understand your time constraint. I play the BBM on line given through webcams and I have all the time on earth to do anything. So, what I suggest is for the players who are imposed with a time constraint to open only one of the links and if they want to play for a short interval, to use the HYBRID Link and be driven by the system or if they want to do it for a longer period, to use the MACRO Link, subject to limits specified in the book under exit rules. But, the risk is higher with both methodologies.    Also, I want the players to make serious observations on the Diagonal Ends I have elaborated in the Page 17. Most often it comes right. I want them to post thier findings to the forum to see whether I can generalize it and incoroporate it into the system logic. I am using it offline but I will not put it as system logic until I am fully convinced.    Best Regards   Don

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malcop

Hi All,

Update email

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Dear Philip,    The players seem to have misinterpreted what I said earlier and they appear to be of the view that I have withdrawn. First and foremost, I wish to give them the assurance that I still continue to test every idea that would enhance the returns. I am so glad that the players are now convinced to a great extent that HYBRID is reliable. That is why I gave the assurance that I will sign in blood that it will work. If the players use the safest criteria of aligning the STGY column of the 12th record on the MACRO Link and the 6th record on the HYBRID link with the two instructions HYBRID and WGR being indicated on the respective records. the HYBRID will always provide a reasonable return with an acceptable low frequency of failure, if this criteria is adhered to. .    My problem is now I am trying to reactivate the process of writing my main book, which was kept aside for almost four years. However, I give the assurance that I am with the players all the time to make them benifit from this system. The only issue is they do not post their suggestions for me to work on.    Best Regards   Don

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Thanks

malcop

Quote from: malcop on Jun 26, 08:31 PM 2011
Hi All,

Sorry I forgot to post these emails from Don

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Dear Philip,   I see some players are confused with the wagering commencement.    WAGERING WITH HYBRID - SAFEST:   Open the MACRO Link and key in all the records available on the Electronic Display Panel, observe the general trends and click RST12 button   On the 12th record it will indicate either RST11 or HYBRID   Whenever RST11 appears, keep refreshing with RST11 until HYBRID appears   Then open the HYBRID link and key in the last 6 numbers. it will indicate either RST5 or WGR   If it is RST5, refresh HYBRID Link with RST5 and MACRO Link with RST11.    Commence wagering as directed by the HYBRID Link when MACRO Link indicates HYBRID and HYBRID Link indicates WGR.    The system will lead to an automatic exit.    WAGERING WITH HYBRID    Key in the last six spin outcomes and wager as directed and exit as indicated.    Keep refreshing with RST5 until the system starts directing by indicating WGR   WAGERING WITH MACRO - RISK MITIGATED STRATEGY    Open the HYBRID Link and key in the last six spin outcomes until WGR gets triggered.   Keep refreshing with RST5 until the system starts directing by indicating WGR   Then open the MACRO Link and key in the same six numbers and commence wagering as directed by the MACRO Link, until an exit point is reached.    Close the HYBRID Link   WAGERING WITH MACRO - DIRECT STRATEGY    Keep refresing using RST11 button until HYBRID appears on the 12th record   Whenever HYBRID is indicated, commence wagering as guided by the system until an exit point is reached.    Also ask the players to make note of the DIAGONAL OBSERVATIONS, which are not incorporated into the system logic.    Best Regards   Don

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Anyone understood how to do this properly?!
I key in 12 numbers in Macro link, got the Hybrid indication went to hybrid link, key in last 5 numbers and got RST5 indication. I reset Hybrid link with RST5 and Macro link with RST11. NOW, when i start to key in new numbers, do i keep doing that in both links or only on the Macro link...Macro link it keeps indicating me RST11 at the next number. As i key in new numbers, and when it finally indicates Hybrid i guess i have to restart the Hybrid link (to remove the old numbers i'd left behind) and key in the last 6 numbers i entered on Macro, no?!

vundarosa

Much more stable   :thumbsup:    but still a grind the be in any profit.
One has to use good judgment and exit when ahead as it goes back and forth with winning sections almost always followed by losing ones....maybe waiting for a loss before real wagering might be do trick here.

Vundarosa

Quote from: vundarosa on Jun 27, 11:26 PM 2011
Much more stable   :thumbsup:    but still a grind the be in any profit.
One has to use good judgment and exit when ahead as it goes back and forth with winning sections almost always followed by losing ones....maybe waiting for a loss before real wagering might be do trick here.

Vundarosa

Come on guys, let's be realistic here.

If it's going back and forth with winning streaks alternating with losing ones, then it certainly IS NOT a long-term winner, it's not profitable. Furthermore, what on earth does mean"one has to use judgement and exit when ahead"???? Come on.  Get serious. What is the appropriate grade of "good judgement"?? And "to exit when ahead" of ...how much??? And what if I win 12 chips and be a "good judge to exit" and then get back in and lose two times in a row, each time of 8 chips??? Won't I be -4 at this point????
...Come on.


THAT'S THE MEANING of a "long-term winner": to finally taking you ahead at all times. And the losing streaks to be much more less than the winning streaks, not almost equal. And of course the total sum to always be with positive symbol ("+").


I tested the "safest version" for 4 sessions of 100 live spins each. The results were -12, +23, -18, -4. More losing sessions than winning ones and certainly a total negative result ("-").

This system has the face-lift of a long-term winner but THERE IS SOMETHING MISSING. And the only one who can find the missing part is his creator.

This system which is based upon predicting which columns/dozens to bet upon has no proven advantage and is an average performer as other flat betting methods. You may win with it or lose with it. Nothing special. There are only big claims but it never fulfilled them and always proved a failure upon testing.

Look, everyone, the sooner we all treat this as A Work In Progress (and not as The Final Version) the better.

Then the testing and its inevitable, associated disappointments can be seen from the proper perspective.

It's. Not. Finished. Yet.

esoito glad that you clarified this  ;)

Quote from: esoito on Jun 28, 08:32 AM 2011
Look, everyone, the sooner we all treat this as A Work In Progress (and not as The Final Version) the better.

Then the testing and its inevitable, associated disappointments can be seen from the proper perspective.

It's. Not. Finished. Yet.

I fully Agee this is Work In Progress not a finanal solution. 

Quote from: malcop on Jun 28, 09:02 AM 2011
I fully Agee this is Work In Progress not a finanal solution.

Let us all pray it never becomes a finanal solution. ;)

Quote from: esoito on Jun 28, 09:12 AM 2011
Let us all pray it never becomes a finanal solution. ;)

LOL :D:D

Quote from: esoito on Jun 28, 09:12 AM 2011
Let us all pray it never becomes a finanal solution. ;)

Haha, just got what I said, that will teach me to post from my phone!

I think these prediction systems with flat betting can never succeed for sure and if they can, roulette will become an investment, rather than speculation and that too without risking much.

so whats the verdict, works or not? and why the constant update and refresh of the method? I've read that "i think we got it working fine now" like 15 times already in this thread, if you have something decent you would stick to it, not try to engineer it all over again

Quote from: sekuritati on Jun 28, 02:09 PM 2011
so what's the verdict, works or not? and why the constant update and refresh of the method? I've read that "i think we got it working fine now" like 15 times already in this thread, if you have something decent you would stick to it, not try to engineer it all over again

Think "work in progress" then it makes sense. Because that's what it is at the moment. (As I mentioned just a few posts ago!)

But Esoito,
            Mr. Colonne himself stated that it is final and he even went ahead with saying that he can even get in writing with blood. Tall claims only. No substance.

Quote from: albalaha on Jun 28, 09:32 PM 2011
But Esoito,
            Mr. Colonne himself stated that it is final and he even went ahead with saying that he can even get in writing with blood. Tall claims only. No substance.

LOL. Try to be more charitable and kind!

Obviously there was more to this than he originally thought. It happens.

I admire his persistence and his and Duran's selfless dedictation to this project.

So a bit more support and a bit less criticism will go a long way when people voluntarily give up their time for the benefit of others.

Quote from: esoito on Jun 28, 11:57 PM 2011
LoL. Try to be more charitable and kind!

Obviously there was more to this than he originally thought. It happens.

I admire his persistence and his and Duran's selfless dedictation to this project.

So a bit more support and a bit less criticism will go a long way when people voluntarily give up their time for the benefit of others.

i support that!
:thumbsup:

Quote from: esoito on Jun 28, 11:57 PM 2011
LoL. Try to be more charitable and kind!

Obviously there was more to this than he originally thought. It happens.

I admire his persistence and his and Duran's selfless dedictation to this project.

So a bit more support and a bit less criticism will go a long way when people voluntarily give up their time for the benefit of others.

Yes I agree it is very easy to criticise and be smug, but at least Don is prepared to put his ideas forward warts and all, a lot more than can be said of a lot of people!

At the end of the day if you are not interested then just move on!

These were the words of Mr. Colonne,

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Hi All,

Dear Philip,

As per the comments posted by the colleagues in the forum, I wish to clarify one point. I am concluding the Research with utmost optimism, that it works now. I can provide an assurance signed in blood with that. If the players follow the off-line controls suggested in page 16 and cautiously commence wagering, I am sure that everybody can win now.

It doesn't matter how much efforts and years someone has put in to develop anything. What matters is whether it works or not. So much tall claims upon something which is not performing even averagely for gain is not commendable in my eyes at least.

Hi All,

Update from Don

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Dear Philip,    After a rigorous analysis, we decided to isolate the two strategies. We realized that by trying to harmonize the MACRO and the HYBRID, massive opportunities are missed. Thus, there is no strategy interaction now. Wagering commencement is much simpler and Dulan will upload the newer version of the e-book tonight. If a player wants to have a quick session, he can use the HYBRID Link or if the player has time to spend, he can use the MACRO Link. A HYBRID session requires 10 chips in hand and a MACRO session requires 15 chips in hand. Hereby, I humbly request the players to read the pages 13 and 14 and practice the 9 Demo sessions. Also, those who are research minded, I want them to make observations on the Diagonal Ends specified in the Page 16.    Hereby, I thank all those who provided very valuable feedback for us to simplify the processes. My initiative is to provide a guiding light to those who walk in the thick darkness.    Best Regards   Don

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Thanks

malcop

QuoteMy initiative is to provide a guiding light to those who walk in the thick darkness.

I am afraid, we may get into the thicker darkness this way. Would anybody mind testing the newer version too and reporting openly here? I hope this could be the final and successful attempt to bring forth some light by Mr. Colonne.

Hi All,

update

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Dear Philip,    I made a remarkable discovery of ONE SPIN AT A TIME  Strategy using the Macro Link (resetting after every record) coupled with the Diagonal Observations. I think it is close to the holy grail as referred to by one of the players in the discussion forum. Further, this includes inside wagering also and the chips per spin is around 2 against the 4 chips for the persent wagering methodolgy. I played for two hours continuously and I was up by about 22 chips.    I will extensively examine this new methodology and keep the players informed of how to play if it works.    Best Regards   Don

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Dear Philip,    In view of facilitating American Roulette also, we uploaded the above link after a rigorous testing. Most salient feature are that it involves inside wagering as most players perfer and also the investment per spin is 50% of what it was.    Please inform the players to read the relevant pages and try this out.    Best Regards   Don

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malcop

Hi All,

Latest update
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Dear Philip,    I personally checked and the link is available with the latest e-book with illustrations on diagonal ends. Please refresh your link as your computer must be retrieving from the cashe memory.    It is a pleasure to play this as it involves inside wagering. Most importantly, the diagonal end rules are highly effective and the I want the players to make note of it and post comments. Also, the investment risk is 50%.    Americans also must seriously look at this now.    I wish to thank you once again as this project would have been non-viable, had it not been for you. You encouraged and inspired me through out and defended me at the most difficult times.   Also, Dulan also must be thanked for his magananimous generosity for having expended all his valuable time to provide me with the software support. The advance applications would not have evolved without the software package.    I wish that you make a lot of money so that you could come down to Sri Lanka for a vacation! I am sure that you can make it. Plan your next winter vacation to be here.    One curious question. Which country are you from?    Best Regards   Don

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malcop

Where is that link again?  ???

Just go to the normal link and you should see the new and link if you do not try refreshing your browser, only briefly looked at it this morning befor work, going to see if using the inside wagering recormendationds at the back of the ebook, Don says that there is step by step instructions for this method so I will try and work through it later.  Personally I don't care how Many changes Don makes people following this thread have to understand this project is work in progress!

Thanks

Malcop

Ok, its here:
link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/dna-of-roulette.html (link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/dna-of-roulette.html)

Is there anybody in here that HAS FULLY UNDERSTOOD the wagering methodology suggested by Don in his book, using the diagonal observations, HAS APPLIED IT AND HAD POSITIVE RESULTS?... ANYONE?

...Because this book is starting getting more difficult to follow and read than studying Nuclear Physics! And an appeal to Mr Colonne: Don, would there be any chance at all that you could incorporate the diagonal observations wagering criteria and betting triggers into the software, so that we can all apply and test its effectiveness?

Thanks in advance

Actually, there is no method at all. If u r lucky, u win, otherwise lose. Even 100 more tweaks in this method would not yield any profit.

Quote from: albalaha on Jul 09, 02:44 AM 2011
Actually, there is no method at all. If you are lucky, you win, otherwise lose. Even 100 more tweaks in this method would not yield any profit.

Documentary PROOF of that statement would be far more convincing than just one more negative opinion to join your previous list of negative opinions.


"If you are lucky, you win, otherwise lose."

An enlightening statement. I never realised that can happen.

Numerous testings have strengthen my this negative opinion. Any lucky fellow who is winning insane with this?

With my experience, studies and researchworks, I can conclusively opine that no flat bet method in the world can sustain in most of the sessions and achive the target of "Win more and lose less". Had it been possible roulette would have become an investment than speculation, that too with least risk. Dozens and columns are fictitious group of numbers and have no relation with each other; be it real wheel or RNG. The way he is suggesting to play dozens/columns with flat bet has to fall flat itself.