This is an official strategy that *works*
and it should not be moved to "notepad".
RED GROUPS
A: 5 7 12 14 19 21 25 27 36
B: 1 3 9 16 18 23 30 32 34
BLACK GROUPS
C: 2 4 11 15 20 22 28 33 35
D: 6 8 10 13 17 24 26 29 31
TRIGGER: Wait unti one group do now show for minimum 6 spins.
Then start betting it with Progression 9 numbers =
1.1.1.2.2.3.4.5.7.9.12.16.22.30.40.55
until hit.
Live-session @castle casino:
CDDADBACBBDDBABDADBCDCDAAABABCBDBABABBA
W
LLLW
W
LW
LW
LW
LLLW
yes, it's gonna work Ignatus.
but not for u, for casino's benefit.
If you insist, i can leave it here for a while. but no more of your strategies here for at least a week. They all are nonsense, but anyway...
It looks like a tweak of Martingale, and the foundations of gamblers fallacy!
That said, we can win, or lose depending of the outcome.
My advice is do not use any other money than cents.
We can find(I think Ignatius can) find a 100% losing system, and then we just do opposite to win!! :twisted:
Raplph, LOL
Quote from: iggiv on May 26, 04:27 PM 2013
yes, it's gonna work Ignatus.
but not for u, for casino's benefit.
OK? Well, then can you show your results proving it *WON'T WORK* instead of just speculating? I won't make any trouble, just asking you why you believe it won't work? As you can see, my result show otherwise. (and this is not just a "lucky streak") where is the logic of one set of numbers, AFTER 9 numbers not hit 6+ spins, *will not hit* pretty soon? i don't see the logic in that. You know? Most i've seen is these set of 9 numbers "sleep" for 11 spins. And that is a fact.Calculate on that: -worst case scenario 11 spins these 9 numbers will sleep. Now, that would be: LLLLW: 5:th step in the nine number progression. 1-1-1-2-2. Oh? That will kill your bankroll? Get serious, iggiv. This strategy *works*Now you have to PROVE it doesn't work, (by real play) before you make such statement.
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@Ignatus.
Ur instructions are not clear
[reveal=Was going to say....]I was going to say, they are atrocious! But decided:- "Not Clear", was a better, friendly phrase.... ??? [/reveal]
Are U saying that U wait until One Group Does NOT show in 6 spins, and then go and bet THAT Group?
U need to be clearer, and have a few more rules.
Ur instruction, also says to play until hit, tho U have only 16 levels on progression.?
U could easily have 2 of the sets of numbers (2 Groups) that do not get hit within 6 spins.
it is based on classical gambler fallacy as Ralph correctly mentioned. I am not gonna prove anything. I got other stuff to do. go ahead and play with it, we will see u in in a while...
"Are U saying that U wait until One Group Does NOT show in 6 spins, and then go and bet THAT Group?" Yes, that's correct.
Ignatus....
Where do you get that 9 numbers will only sleep for 11 spins?
EC can sleep for 15 spins and lines for 55 spins. So 9 numbers could sleep for 30 spins or so.
You know this because I told you several times.
Am I making this up? Am I an id.iot?
Why would you bet 9 numbers to show with a marty (basically) when you know full well 9 numbers can sleep for 30 spins
Can you explain.....I have to know.
I have seen you tell people to leave a bet alone because it sleeps for xx spins.....Ive seen you type it.
So you know.
Quote from: Turner on May 26, 05:09 PM 2013
Ignatus....
Where do you get that 9 numbers will only sleep for 11 spins?
EC can sleep for 15 spins and lines for 55 spins. So 9 numbers could sleep for 30 spins or so.
You know this because I told you several times.
Am I making this up? Am I an id.iot?
Why would you bet 9 numbers to show with a marty (basically) when you know full well 9 numbers can sleep for 30 spins
Can you explain.....I have to know.
I have seen you tell people to leave a bet alone because it sleeps for xx spins.....I've seen you type it.
So you know.
OK Turner, that may be correct. But now we're taking about
extreme events. Can you tell me how many times these groups of nine will sleep for 30 spins ....... in 100 spins? what would the odds for that be ?
I don't think that is a very common event.
Furthermore, i say it again, show your results by real spins before you speculate, even though what you may say is correct doesn't mean this strategy *will not work*
If you are talking like that NO STRATEGY WILL WORK. and this is not true.
All im saying now: You must prove this strategy won't work by *real spins* before making such a statement.
Quote from: ignatus on May 26, 05:14 PM 2013
OK Turner, that may be correct. But now we're taking about extreme events. Can you tell me how many times these groups of nine will sleep for 30 spins ....... in 100 spins? what would the odds for that be ?
I don't think that is a very common event.
Furthermore, i say it again, show your results by real spins before you speculate, even though what you may say is correct doesn't mean this strategy *will not work*
If you are talking like that NO STRATEGY WILL WORK. and this is not true.
Its not speculation its fact.
This is my last post to you. i give up (and I tried the most out of everyone) You dont take advice.
You dont listen.
Good luck with ignoring fact.
Play it for a month, Ignatus, and tell us how u doing. Good luck.
u will make some money with this till u lose all of your bankroll. And then will start all over again and it will happen again. And again...
U test something for a couple of hours and think: ah! that's it.
I don't want to make any personal remarks. but this not a way to test. U just don't get it. But this how you are.
You don't listen u don't give a damn. Then u come back and ask to delete the thread.
it's all pretty annoying, Ignatus. Especially when people tell u and u ask again "Why? Prove it". Those facts are well known, they don't need any proof.
Extreme events happen, it is rare, but if the consequence are a disaster, we must count with it.
I have paid insurance for my resident 60 years, and never "gain" from it, which I am very happy with.
Quote from: Turner on May 26, 05:29 PM 2013
Its not speculation its fact.
This is my last post to you. i give up (and I tried the most out of everyone)
You don't take advice.
You don't listen.
Good luck with ignoring fact.
"You don't take advice" ??? please can you tell me WHAT strategy will consider
worst case scenarios?
OK Let's see of far this strategy can go. (using progression):
wait 6 spins for one group now to show, then start betting that group OK. So then we got -6 spins.
Let's say we stop at the 13:th step of the nine number progression; 13+6= 19
1.1.1.2.2.3.4.5.7.9.12.16.22.
So this means using progression and stop at the 13:th step we would survive 19/30= 63% of your "worst case scenarios"
I think this "worst case scenario"-discussion is very absurd.
Since 90% of the hits will come within the first 5 steps of progression. (Now iam speculating, but this is closer to the truth)
it's not that rare. let's say Ignatus will win 20 sessions making 50 bucks. Then on 21st session he will lose all his bankroll when his group is gonna sleep for 15 spins.
I checked all this long time ago. Different groups with different progressions. yes, u may think it works in the beginning...but with the time it gets worse and worse. There will be times when those groups will sleep for 15 spins a few times in a row.
Ignatus you have no clue about gambling, that's it.
and no discussion will help it. Because u listen only to yourself. Keep going. Good job. You are a genius. Nobody before you could even think about betting groups with progressions. That's why people lost. Now u got it.
U r a winner.
Quote from: iggiv on May 26, 05:42 PM 2013
it's not that rare. let's say Ignatus will win 20 sessions making 50 bucks. Then on 21st session he will lose all his bankroll when his group is gonna sleep for 15 spins.
There will be times when those groups will sleep for 15 spins a few times in a row.
I just said I could survive for one of these "groups of 9" not show for 19 spins.(6+13=19) So problem solved.
OK, great. Congrats. you gonna be a rich man soon then. You solved a problem of roulette.
Quote from: ignatus on May 26, 05:52 PM 2013
I just said I could survive for one of these "groups of 9" not show for 19 spins.(6 + 13=19) So problem solved.
To solve the problems it is only two ways: Pray it will delay until you are plus with the bust, or make 6 + 13=2.
I have used very risky ways, and once got away with it winning a lot, but it needs an incredible luck. Just the fraction a zero takes, doing the play undoable. You may stop in time!!
Losing some bucks happens, but throw it all in one spin is not very fun. Are you playing cents?
Quote from: iggiv on May 26, 05:56 PM 2013
OK, great. Congrats. you gonna be a rich man soon then. You solved a problem of roulette.
haha... yes. ;D
No, but seriously. Playing with 0.5u chips on DublinBet for an example (Table-limit 10u) then you can place 20 0.5 chips on the table, before reaching table limit.
so, progression will stop at
1.1.1.2.2.3.4.5.7.9.12.16.22 <--- 20u.
I don't know if there are other Live-tables with different tablelimits ? (and those who can use smaller chips?)
Quote from: ignatus on May 26, 06:04 PM 2013
haha... yes. ;D
No, but seriously. Playing with 0.5u chips on DublinBet for an example (Table-limit 10u) then you can place 20 0.5 chips on the table, before reaching table limit.
so, progression will stop at
1.1.1.2.2.3.4.5.7.9.12.16.22 <--- 20u.
I don't know if there are other Live-tables with different tablelimits ? (and those who can use smaller chips?)
At DB the min is 0.5, but you can progress using 0.01.
Dublinbet now made minimum of 10c.
Ignatus no progression will help u. U will see it.
Quote from: iggiv on May 26, 06:13 PM 2013
Dublinbet now made minimum of 10c.
That's great. Same thing? Tablelimit 10c*20 ?
Quote from: ignatus on May 26, 06:15 PM 2013
That's great. Same thing? Tablelimit 10c*20 ?
They have high roller table, as you may win a few times, before a bust, stake high and pray a few times, then take it down.
Funny things happens, I did a parlay of a straight up, stake first time 1/36 of maxbet and got it right. :D
Quote from: Ralph on May 26, 06:25 PM 2013
They have high roller table, as you may win a few times, before a bust, stake high and pray a few times, then take it down.
Funny things happens, I did a parlay of a straight up, stake first time 1/36 of maxbet and got it right. :D
Nice ^_^ Well, i don't dare to play highroller, yet. But i will play this strategy for real, tomorrow, perhaps. Right now im going to do another Live-session, just to prove you wrong. ;)
Live-session @DublinBet
+74u playing with 0.5u chips
All games won within 5 spins
AACCCABBCCCBADCCCDCDABADDDCDBBBBBABA
LLWLWWLLLWWLLLLWLLW : Hitrate 7/19 =37%
Expected hitrate for 9 numbers 9/37=24%
1.LLW
2.LW
3.W
4.LLLW
5.W
6.LLLLW
7.LLW
Ever heard about variance?
Ok ignatus
let me see if I can explain it to you what the others are saying
you know that in every 37 spin cycle about 12 numbers will sleep, right? It's called the law of third
sometimes you will get more, sometimes less but on average 12 numbers will sleep
not that's 12 numbers sleeping for 37 spins - on average
do you get that
meaning your 9 numbers (which ever 9 numbers you choose - it doesn't make a difference) can easily sleep for longer than that
lets say on average 40 spins for 9 numbers (think its about right)
now this is average - you can expect anywhere from 20-60 and that's not that rare or extreme (someone maybe know the most extreme number od spins?)
now you use the marty which is the worst possible progression for any type of bet cause it skyrockets fast
are you starting to get the picture?
any 9 numbers you take no matter how you pick them have the same chance of sleeping or hitting
you have good results so far but I'm afraid after some more testing you will hit the wall
do a bigger test, ie a couple of thousand spins and you will for sure hit the wall
my suggestion is to first forget about the marty - it's hard, I know its tempting, but it's the first step to make if you want to be a serious gambler
I don't want to come up rude or anything, just want to help you out
I was there where you are once and I get it, but you have to realise roulette is not an ATM, its not that easy to make money
we would all like to make 200, 500 units per session but the reality is that those who do make their money from roulette probably make just a few units per session, they just use bigger value units
you got to have patience to play like 100 spins and make just a couple of units and that is the hardest part
I suggest for this system you use cyclic betting which I know you like
you will get smaller profit but the DD's will be way smaller
and you won't lose it all when a bad session happens
and if your results continue like this you will be able to make money, just don't get too greedy ;)
Thank you soggett for your wisdom. A more sensible criticism. And I take your advice.
Now a cycling progression would be:
After 3 spins -1/+1 progression (this is a great idea!) ;D
The Negative cyclic progression would look like this:1 1 1 2 2 2 3 3 3 4 4 4 5 5 5 6 6 6 7 7 7 8 8 8 9 9 9 10 10 10 11 11 11 12 12 12 13 13 13 14 14 14 15 15 15 16 16 16 17 17 17 18 18 18 19 19 19 20 20 20 (before reaching table-limit) That is a 60-step progression.
IF win within a this 3 cycle progression -1 unit bet.
This cycling progression would look like this
1 1 1 L
2 2 2 L
3 3 3 W
2 2 2 L
3 3 3 L
4 4 4 W
3 3 3 W
2 2 2 W
1 1 1 .......and so on
Thanks soggett! :thumbsup:
well said. but betting on cold will finally hit the wall with any progression i guess. There will be times when repeaters hit all the time. To be able to win with numbers u gotta mix somehow, randomize your betting a little.
that's what happens in roulette. U get repeaters. U may get them for long time. Then the same story can be for sleeping numbers waking up. It can start and stop at any time. Now Ignatus encountered a lucky wave or sleepers waking up. This wave may go on for long time. Till he starts getting repeaters all the time. And then will decide to switch. And then the story will happen again. and then he will encounter repeaters and sleepers waking up in any combinations.
It's hard and senseless to try to catch those lucky or unlucky streaks. Though repeaters happen more often. Nevertheless any number can hit.
that's a problem. u should create some strategy to win more than lose. No matter what comes up next.
It's very naive to judge roulette behaviour by one or two days. You can see only part of a big and complicated picture.
the problem of many smart guys here is this: they look at roulette as something static. By static i mean something
that u can find solid consistent solution for. Do this and that, and you will always be ahead of the game. Play as much as you want, you will always be a winner on a long run. They look for holy grails which do not exist. There is NOTHING in roulette which can win more than lose all the time. Something that wins now after 10 or 100 spins may become a terrible loser.
Very interesting iggiv. Thanks :thumbsup:
now look at this
link:://crop.unl.edu/claes/SALTA/Henderson/GaussianCurve.jpg (link:://crop.unl.edu/claes/SALTA/Henderson/GaussianCurve.jpg)
what that means? that means that mostly on average u will get 9 numbers repeat as Sogget said, every 4 times.
It's in the middle. Then on the sides u will have them sleeping for long time. Now just a few sleeping times will eat your bankroll. And it will inevitably happen. It may happen tomorrow or in a month. but it will happen. That's a clearly losing strategy, which temporarily works for u. Be careful. Don't learn it a hard way as many of us did. Including me.
Thanks again iggiv.
Well, then you can move this strategy to the notepad, when we have come to the conclution it won't work, (even though I have had only good results from my short tests)
i guess im learning, and im trying to learn better ways... better betselections.
i think roulette can be beaten, but this is a long way to go
Yes
Why not pick any 9 number combo, does not have to be red/black.