Hi,
Basically, I have been given a 1000 quid by my dad and he had asked me to find my way to multiplying this by 20 times. I have split it with 500 for casino play and 100 each in 5 online casinos. If I am allowed to do so, I am using this post to keep a diary of my progress and share my play style and spins with the community. I would be really interested to receive feedback on the way am approaching things and make best use of the experience that is present in this community. I will be very transparent and honest in my postings here as this is really a open diary of the gambling journey. Also, if at all if I am programming any tools that assist me like robots, small excel trackers, clickers etc, to help me in this journey, I shall share them free with the community.
Wish me luck!
Bon voyage!
Cheers
Yanks!
Good luck, Priyanka!
A lot of forum members are from other parts of the world too, Central Europe, Australia (me) & Steve, the Forums owner - for example.
The USA is one of the most on line gambling restricted countries around. The control is made by not allowing funds tranfers.
Yanks
First, welcome to both forums.
I will be very interested to follow your progress.
I must ask: Is that pic of you? That pic you see in my post is really our dog. It is not a model!
Good luck. Ralph says luck is about all there is.
Samster
Nice Topic bar, so much chocolate & nuts.
@ausguy
Relevance?
"Yanks" is from Uk.
Unless U are just making a more general point about spread Ur £$E around the shop floor.
Quote from: ausguy on Jul 01, 09:23 AM 2013
A lot of forum members............
The USA is one of the most on line gambling restricted countries around. The control is made by not allowing funds transfers.
Side note...........did U see that On-line gaming is set to go wider in USA very soon?
I think it was SAM who informed us
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link:://betselection.cc/general-discussion/a-twocat-ramble/msg16587/#msg16587
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Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 01, 10:43 AM 2013
Yanks
First, welcome to both forums.
I will be very interested to follow your progress.
I must ask: Is that pic of you? That pic you see in my post is really our dog. It is not a model!
Good luck. Ralph says luck is about all there is.
Samster
Thanks Sam!
I can't clearly see the dog in your profile pic here, but Bailey in the pic from other forum is real cute!
Btn, yes it is my pic. It was done by a cousin of mine when I visited India sometime back for a wedding ceremony! He is real good at paintings! I wish I had such a skill....
Quote from: Priyanka on Jul 01, 11:39 AM 2013
Thanks Sam!
I can't clearly see the dog in your profile pic here, but Bailey in the pic from other forum is real cute!
Btn, yes it is my pic. It was done by a cousin of mine when I visited India sometime back for a wedding ceremony! He is real good at paintings! I wish I had such a skill....
Hmmmm....So your cousin is indian artist Dnyanesh Gholap then?...
This is "A girl smiling" by him...Painted 2008....shes looks 12 ish......so you are 16 or 17
I love art. i love google better!!!
link:://:.bcagalleries.com/support.asp?parent=75&PRODUCT_ID=5571&Itemcolor=9CCCCC&cat_name=Dnyanesh%20Gholap&product_name=A%20Girl%20Smiling&cat_birth=16/06/2009
do the maths!
Quote from: Turner on Jul 01, 12:05 PM 2013
So your cousin is indian artist Dnyanesh Gholap then?...
Yes! And you are right, it was done in 2008. But certainly I was not 12 when it was done :)
As promised to Dane, my first session! Roulette is a tough game. Even though, the testing was topsy turvy, decided to give Dane's system a go as promised to him.
Started with a Bankroll of 10 quid and played 0.5 units. Went to 11u on the top before going down to the stop loss of 20 units. Down to 90 quid and stopped the game. Need to study more and practice more before getting on to the next session!
Quote from: Priyanka on Jul 01, 12:42 PM 2013
Yes! And you are right, it was done in 2008. But certainly I was not 12 when it was done :)
what a small world it is.
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Need to study more and practice more before getting on to the next session!
When Ur ready, throw some spins to all the fellows here, so we can do a GreatGrampa's style study, and see if we can help U with Ur play technique.
Use Reveal function to hide the long list of spin numbers
Code is:-
[reveal] Spin Data here.[/reveal]
or
[reveal= Name the Data contained in the Reveal]Spin data here[/reveal]
cheers.
(it keeps the forum neat and tidy, until U want to see the spins, then just click!) 8)
@Yanks
I see from our sister 'station', U already knew the reveal. :thumbsup:
Very eventful day. The game of roulette is an ocean! This information in this forum is a gold mine! You need to have the right tools to dig the gold out!
It is a very significant milestone in my roulette journey. I should thank all of you who gave me useful advices and shared their well-wishes. I think a job well begun is half-done. Learnt two important things today!
1. Key advice I got from everyone came handy. Testing is the key
2. Stick to your plan and travel the tides.
Was very nervous throughout the 45 minutes of play, that I couldn’t play more than 2 sessions. I watched 2 of my favourite movies to get back to normal. Every penny matters!
After testing of multiple methods, I decided to go for three sessions.
1. System from Dane. Didn’t do well in my tests, but I promised him, I will play
2. A system from a note GLC gave me(Thanks George). It is a system where you play for/against the last colour to show up alternatively using a 1-2-3-6 progression. Carry 36u for 3 games.
3. Easy Peasy system with tweaks from Atlantis/Greatgrampa/Chrisbis.
I decided to play one session for each of the methods with +10/-10 limits. I could play only two as the nerves got the better of me and couldn’t play third. :(
First one was a deep dive into the negative territory. It lasted 114 spins. Started well reaching 11u betting 50 pence chips. But then it went south and reached the stoploss. Attaching the values in the excel tracker that I posted earlier. I think I should trust the testing, as it is the key! >:(
Second one, the author system, made me really nervous at the start, when I reached the 4th stage of progression, but recovered well and reached 10u playing 1 quid chips in 24 spins. Stopped as I couldn’t take it any longer. :nope:
Summarizing day 1,
• No loss/no gain
• 2 sessions, 138 spins, 6u largest bet
Eagerly studying more and reading through the forum. Tomorrow is going to be a new day. My plan is to play the following and play 5 sessions.
1. Easy Peasy
2. Double treble
3. Glat progression
4. Quad cycle
5. The winning system that GLC gave me today (Authors system)
Any feedback/advice will be much appreciated. Thanks for listening me patiently and guiding me through!
Another day gone. Less nervous than the first day and more confident. Prepared and practiced myself on all the 5 systems that I wanted to play today. I would have played these over and over again in paper, in fun mode and in excel files. Testing, testing, testing the first advice I got. Also, made a tracker for the author system to test the author system. The only thing I did differently from what I thought yesterday was to play double dozens with flat bets instead of GLAT progressions. I guess I am a bit shocked to see how deep can progressions get from my testing (not specific to GLAT but in general)
Also a very important day in terms of learnings. Samster told me that take multiple systems to the table and don’t stick to one. A huge learning taken on board. Later on Vic hinted similar thing. A deep thought, took in this advice and decided to play all five systems one by one with defined target and stop loss. As I write this note, even though I have completed the games, saw iggiv suggesting similar thing. I think it’s the second important advice for any new comer. Samster also told me to take a huge bankroll, but I am yet to find out how huge is huge. Probably he wants me to find out myself just like my dad :))
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When doing the testing I figured out that quad cycle is a very slow but steady method. Playing it is going to lead to long waiting periods. So I decided to play only four methods in sequence and play quad cycle all along in parallel. That way, I don’t have to wait long periods and still play 5 methods that I thought of. All that was left was to make a plan before I start of. Following was the plan.
Easy peasy â€" 15u target, 50u stoploss
Double treble â€" 10u target, 50u stoploss
Author system â€" 10u target, 36u stoploss
Flat bet double dozen â€" 5u target, 5u stoploss (if dozen 1, bet on 1st and 2nd dozen, if dozen 2, bet on 2nd and 3rd, if dozen 3, bet on 3rd and 1st dozen)
Quad cycle â€" 10u target, 50u stoploss
All played with 1$ chips and in sequence one after the other with quad cycle played in parallel all along. Today, I decided to play live wheel in Dublin bet, as that’s what Turner recommended for Quad cycle. I was confident on all but author system, as I tweaked it for 3 ECs, but dint get any testing to figure out how it works.
Easy peasy was really easy. Got to target in no time. Double treble was cake walk. Sure I got to fifth progression with no hits on dozen/column, but got a double hit there. Then switched to author system. Not confident at all. Didn’t quite feel right, so left playing it in between and switched over to DD. Topsy turvy on DD, but finally reached the target. Quad cycle was going smooth and steady all along.
Hmmm!! Feeling really tired and exhausted. Every bet on the table had an associated fear of losing my bankroll for the day. Its as if am watching a scary movie!! But happy as I had a very productive day resulting in 47u profit from 73 spins. :cheer:
Thanks to Samster and others for all the advice. Very excited and tomorrow is a new day ïŠ I saw a lot of mud today and hence probably will focus on Chrisbis 5x5x5 tomorrow. Good night folks :o ïŠ Sure will have a long nights sleep tonight. :zzz:
PS : Attached the spins from today's play.
Thought will put on hold trying any more new methods, eventhough mud slinging was attractive. Wanted to get my basics right and the author system play right. Did more and more testing on paper. Got more Wiesbaden spins and practiced all the five methods over and over again. Didn’t have breakfast, dint have coffee. No one at home helped as well. Wanted to finish one session before I went out with Amol for lunch today.
Stuck to the same set of rules as yesterday. But took Vic’s thought around playing pennies on board and reduced to 0.5 and decided to play BV which will allow me play 50 pence. Gave the quotes on my table stand a stare “Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover†This is what I have set doing by getting into playing roulette. This is what am exploring now. Took a deep breath and decided to give it a go.
7th spin, a mistake. After a double loss in EC PC, instead of switching I played the same side. (ooh! I need to stop making this. Remembered Samster, even 1 a day is going to be a catastrophe. Remembered his example). Paused there for a minute. Decided to give it a break. Made some nice coffee and came back to the screen to continue. Wow! 14th spin BV cut me off. Again ECPC was a cakewalk. By this time, I had won 3 triggers on quad cycle and was about to start on Double treble.
Started a fresh BV session. Started chasing a sleeping line on a trigger in Quad cycle and landed in deep sh1t. I was so immersed in chasing the 1st sector that I stopped playing on double treble as well for some time. Gathered and resumed again. DT went into 6th level without a hit. Ooh! Is it random at play? Is he trying to wipe out everything I got yesterday? But decided to stick to the plan! Became quite nervous. More nervous than the first day as it was a real topsy turvy drive. By this time all my profits from ECPC were wiped out and I was at a drawdown of 22u. And from here on things started to pick up north. Smooth sailing on the author system to flat DD.
In author system, after careful thought process, I decided to switch the progression to cyclic progression as mentioned in Triple shooter. So essentially I played triple shooter with the bet selection from author system. Worked well in tests and worked well in real as well. Around spin number 65, I got into a situation where I had to place bets on all three dozens. BV was not allowing it. So decided to place 1u on Low and 1u on line 4 for the trigger on Quad cycle. It worked in my favour.
To summarize, real topsy-turvy-nervy session. 35u from 77 spins. Out of the five systems played, target reached on 3, stop-loss reached on 1, Abandoned Quad cycle as my other systems plays were over. DID ONE MISTAKE. That’s what I need to work on. I think I also need to work on Flat DD. It is turning out to be long process like Quad. Should I use GLAT? Can anyone advice me on the best double dozen system you have played?
Off to lunch! I don’t think I will dare to play another session today. May be I will be spending the rest of the day with my friends!
BV Roulette is a RNG (Random number generator) game. Like lots of other casinos that have RNG roulette it's not actually roulette that a live dealer spins & generates true random outcomes.
RNG roulette is classed as an EGM (electronic gaming machine) game. EGMs include slots/poker/fruit machines. (programmed manipulated outcomes).
All this is listed on gaming control authorities sites.
Do some homework in the search icon (up towards the top of the forum front page). Use 1. BV roulette, 2. cheating RNG software, 3. RNG roulette for starters.
Also see MM (money management) section - bankroll & bet minimum/maximum, plus progressions. Betting on the cheapest available game & dividing your BR (bankroll) in my view weakens your position. Even your 1, 000 BR may be too small for proper % play, depending on the table limits. The end game is viable profits not peanuts.
Generally live dealer play has more expensive limits than auto play.
As you already see the value of testing compare some RNG results with live dealer results using your chosen bet method. There are quite a few live casinos that players use, listed somewhere on the forum.
A good live casino to test on is Smart Live, SL (UK). You would need to join up but it's free, then you can use the free play live dealer roulette section where you are linked to the same live dealer wheel that real bets are made on.
The difference is you have 1,000 quid in free no value fun chips to play with. The bet limits are the same as real play.
They also have available a set of last 185 spins that some forum members use for testing.
If you are in free play & want to get "the basics right" then I suggest you also include even chance EC betting ie 1-18 L(low) & 19-36 H(high), odd & even O & E, red & black R & B.
You can start by following the wheel last spin result using a simple double up bet progression Marty (Martingale) 1st L or H, then O or E, then R or B. Then repeat the set.
So on SL off their 10 min. the progression would be 10,20,40,80,160,320 & limit of L6 & 630 reached as the next dbl up 640 would well exceed the top 1k limit.
Any zero spin up is a losing bet for you. Also don't fall for the casino bonus trap, too many hoops to jump through. Read their T & Cs to see so many bet restrictions.
Thanks ausguy for taking the time and effort to write down about RNG and other things of online roulette playing in detail. Guess I will switch from WH to Smartlive.
Yes! I havnt taken any bonuses :thumbsup:
I think I have started to eating and breathing roulette now. Basically we went for a movie after a great lunch. Started playing on the phone while the movie was about to start. I was so glued in, that I continued playing even after the movie started as I was playing with a target of +50/-50 with 0.5chips on Easy peasy system. It went for 110 spins and ended up +50. Max it went down was 34u. I think today is indeed a lucky day for me.
Am I getting addicted? I think am getting more passionate and more adventurous. I think I need to show the horse its place before it gets wild. Goin' for a bit of shopping and some partying with friends in the evening. See you all tomm. Will post the spin data when am back at home.
And NO MISTAKES this time! Hurry :xd:
Makes a good read. Well done! :thumbsup:
Just remember Priyanka your playing RNG roulette & that in the eyes of a lot of people (no doubt including the pro's in your family) is NOT roulette........
Happy hunting......
Quote from: ddarko on Jul 03, 02:54 PM 2013
Just remember Priyanka your playing RNG roulette & that in the eyes of a lot of people (no doubt including the pro's in your family) is NOT roulette........
Happy hunting......
please don't consider this rude. I am trying to seek some answers here myself as am very confused after reading through multiple posts. To me both looks the same. RNG could be rigged, live casino could be rigged. I have two sets of spins below. One from BV and one from Wiesbaden. Can ddarko or the lots of people who believe they are different tell me which set of spins is RNG and which one is live roulette.
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live game is much less likely to be rigged. And RNG may be not rigged, still be very different from real wheel. The nature of randomness here is very different. mechanical device as a wheel and something we don't know at all about -- computer algorithm which can do anything.
@ Priyanka
You are not being rude, it's a fair question to ask. Re your numbers that you posted I have NO idea which is RNG n which is live dealer.......
But I DO know one was created by a computer n one created by a man made piece of machinery.......
I know which one I would prefer to play !!!!
Quote from: ddarko on Jul 03, 09:00 PM 2013
But I DO know one was created by a computer n one created by a man made piece of machinery.......
How do you know?
Quote from: iggiv on Jul 03, 08:39 PM 2013
live game is much less likely to be rigged. And RNG may be not rigged, still be very different from real wheel. The nature of randomness here is very different. mechanical device as a wheel and something we don't know at all about -- computer algorithm which can do anything.
Fair comment. Now taking the "rigging" out, does the patterns produced by these two differ. How can one tell which one is by RNG and which one by wheel. Is there anyone/anything who can differentiate and if so what do they look at to do that?
Oh go on then! First set of spins is RNG imo.
Are the first set from Bet Voyager ?
EDIT.........
This post had to be moderated for some reason!
Quote from: Priyanka on Jul 04, 12:40 AM 2013
How do you know?
Erm.... Because you stated it in your first post. You lying would kinda defeat the purpose would it not ?
Folks, Don't take me wrong. I am trying to learn the tricks of trade and I need to know if there is anyone who can differentiate between the RNG spins and spins produced by wheel (whether dealer or airball), so that I can learn from them.
Darko, am not lying, my intention on the question was which was which? You said one is computer and one is wheel, because I said so. But I want you to tell from the numbers? First of all is it possible at all? If its not possible, and if we take the rigging part out, then isn't it essentially the same?
Chris, not sure whether I said something wrong, as you requested it to be moderated. Let me know if I did and I will correct myself.
Chris, Bloodangel - the first one is from Dublinbet live wheel and the second one is from BV. Though you were not right, but something made you both say that the first one is from RNG. Can you explain what? I am more interested in finding what made you say so, rather than whether you are right or which one is which. Because, I believe "what" holds the key and I will be very grateful to know that and benefit from your experience.
you cannot say what is what...check was done long ago ..but when you play RNG you will face more strong variations coming one after another due to inbuild money managing program to recover any loses..but after all spins will fit any random testing..
Thanks maestro. I think this response clarifies lots of doubts I had in mind and help put things in perspective.
If only I looked at both sets of spins!! lol
U didn't say anything wrong Yanks, it was an error by Stevie Wonder, forum owner.
Quote from: Priyanka on Jul 05, 04:34 AM 2013
Folks, Don't take me wrong. I am trying to learn the tricks of trade and I need to know if there is anyone who can differentiate between the RNG spins and spins produced by wheel (whether dealer or airball), so that I can learn from them.
If somebody could do this, what are you going to learn ? How will this help you at roulette ?
Quote from: ddarko on Jul 05, 08:35 AM 2013
If somebody could do this, what are you going to learn ? How will this help you at roulette ?
Oh dear Darko!
It is a bit difficult to explain what I learn in a generic manner, as my thinking gets shaped by what I hear and listen from people. But your question deserves an answer and I will try to explain a bit specifically by giving a sample set of what I have learnt so far on this topic. Obviously, it might evolve as I read more and others share their opinion.
Learning 1: It is impossible to distinguish between RNG spins and real wheel spins when taken in isolation. It is not possible to differentiate the random produced by RNG with the random produced by real wheel.
Learning 2: The money management built in the RNG, tries to pull back money through manipulation of spins to create variations. It works much like a slotting machine which is programmed to give out only a % of what it takes in. This is not the case with live wheels.
Learning 3 : BV produces 10 spins at a time as opposed to many other RNGs around. So it is really a borderline or stands in between a slotting machine and live wheel.
I don't want to write down all I have learnt and bore everyone. But darko, hope this provides an answer to your question. Let me know if otherwise.
@ Priyanka
ok, thanks for replying to me I just don't see it is all....
RNG is in my world a slot machine as you state in Learning 2, while live dealer isn't n therefore a totally different animal.
It's apples and oranges as far as I'm concerned.
You said somewhere about your "linear" thinking, it will be interesting to see if that's the strongest point or Achilles heel of your Roulette journey.
Happy hunting either way.....
Yanks
On BV you can set it to give you 60 spins at a time. Also you can change the spin by adding to the number they would have given you. Bayes says they are etched in stone and I trust both him and Ralph.
I do not feel BV tries to "yank back" the money you have won. Random certainly does, but it does that to me a Dublin, too.
This is not a commercial for BV, but I've played both types enough to see no difference.
Sam
Thanks Sam. See it now :)
Quote from: Priyanka on Jul 07, 09:15 PM 2013
Thanks Sam. See it now :)
Looks like you found a veteran player to learn from. :thumbsup:
As for RNG here's a idea to ponder. Record the times you play RNG, notice the numbers
that show during those sessions. From day to day (during those exact times) see if those numbers show or not. If the same numbers show there's a likelihood those numbers will continue to show while betting.
Proof
That is a nice compliment, but let me tell the truth on Sam.
I have a terrible time just staying even! Although I know it is not true, it does seem the casino--whichever one it is--tries to "yank back" my winnings. I know this is random playing out and nothing more.
I am going to return to the research of my first belief: Whatever you bet--ECs, dozens, columns, numbers--must have some reason to hit at a greater rate than then numbers you don't pick.
Example: If you pick 18 numbers on the BVNZ wheel and you want to win consistently, those numbers must have a reason to hit rather than the other 18. Otherwise, you are just hoping Lady Luck will smile on you.
I know there are those who claim that if you wait long enough, the "regression toward the mean" will kick in and propositions that have slept will wake up and shine. The operative words in that last sentence are "long enough". That reprises the old saying: The wheel can stay erratic longer than you can stay solvent.
I am quickly coming to the conclusion that riding the current wave will be the only thing that truly wins with the minimum of luck. That is to say, we should sail with the wind and not against it.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 08, 10:18 AM 2013
Whatever you bet--ECs, dozens, columns, numbers--must have some reason to hit at a greater rate than then numbers you don't pick.
Very wise words Sam but so very very difficult to answer......
Totally agree with Sam based upon my experience in the forum and
playing roulette for several years. I also add that IMHO the only way I
stay on top of the game is by playing EC's, dozens, columns, DS and other
methods that experienced members have kindly put on the forum.
I have definitely started looking at odds more than bet selection on single numbers.
Quote from: Turner on Jul 08, 06:18 PM 2013
I have definitely started looking at odds more than bet selection on single numbers.
Could pls expand on what you mean by this Turner ??
Thanking you in advance.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jul 08, 04:19 AM 2013
Looks like you found a veteran player to learn from. :thumbsup:
As for RNG here's a idea to ponder. Record the times you play RNG, notice the numbers
that show during those sessions. From day to day (during those exact times) see if those numbers show or not. If the same numbers show there's a likelihood those numbers will continue to show while betting.
Thanks Proof. So, you believe there is a kind of timestamp that goes behind the logic for random generation?
Quote from: ddarko on Jul 08, 06:52 PM 2013
Could please expand on what you mean by this Turner ??
Thanking you in advance.
I think he means, he has started betting Ecs, dozens, double streets as opposed to straightups.
What a genius? Unbelievable! These were my first impressions when i heard what Sam said about Ralph. There is a lot one can learn from such individuals not only in Roulette, but also in real life. The curiosity, passion and eagerness to learn new skills like programming at this age are qualities that I would pay anything to practice.
I wanted a taste of online roulette before getting into further testing and understanding of the game and I got in those shorter sessions of play that I posted. I also got a free taster of how addictive it can become. So decided to take a short break. Also, was busy with my team doing a fusion dance show over the weekend and thoroughly enjoyed it :) That really helped in getting over the addiction and taking a break!
Did loads and loads of testing and reading of the forums. Also finished john patrick, brett morton and john solitude as recommended by some fine folks. Great read! I think i need to read them over and over again to digest all that they have written.
I just feel fortunate enough to have had so much advice from all those experience d folks around here and I am really keen to take all that in. Planning to start playing again tomm! Hope it goes as per the plan.
Top 2 learnings since I posted last. No marks for guessing who it came from :)
"The risk betting .01 and 10.00 is exactly the same"
"That is to say, we should sail with the wind and not against it."
Quote from: ddarko on Jul 08, 06:52 PM 2013
Could please expand on what you mean by this Turner ??
Thanking you in advance.
Ddarko my friend....what priyanka said.
I like bet selection and trigger and still believe you have to play with the current situation....but i find i am fishing with a net more than a single hook and maggot...if you get my metaphore.?
I.e. I earmark line 6 but bet high....or D2 D3
Quote from: Turner on Jul 10, 05:16 AM 2013
Ddarko my friend....what priyanka said.
I like bet selection and trigger and still believe you have to play with the current situation....but i find i am fishing with a net more than a single hook and maggot...if you get my metaphore.?
I.e. I earmark line 6 but bet high....or D2 D3
ok, I get that :-) thxs for getting back to me.
That break was nice. It helped me doing lots of testing, refresh my mind with ideas and revise my plan for the play a little. After doing multiple tests, decided to change my style of play a little. Following was the plan.
Stick to ECPC, as it was holding up â€" 15u target, 50 stoploss
Decision to replace the regular quad cycle with the speedy Gonzalez version of Quad cycle â€" 10u target, 50 stoploss
Double treble â€" 10u target, 50 stoploss
Author â€" 10 target, 36 stoploss
Replace the flat double dozen selection to LD until double loss and then switch to JD, all flat betting- 10 target, 50 stoploss
Now these five, I decided to play one after the other. I was toying with the idea of the intermingling system to GUT. But decided to switch over to slow turner quad cycle, as I need more practice on GUT. Slow turner quad cycle is essentially playing for sleeper after 3 unique quads appear. So the plan was to play it all through with a stoploss of 50.
This decision was taken based on the advice to stick and practice a handful of systems until you can play it while sleeping and then let the monkey jump in search of other systems. So, no change in 3 systems, 2 changes not in the bet selection, but the way game is played.
Game started in a panic mode, with the ECPC gobbling up to get to a draw down of 22units. Then it started bouncing back and slowly reached the session target of 50u. After taking clues from brett Morton book, I decided to set a slab on reaching win target to 30u. So upon reaching 50u, the plan is to continue playing as long as the session BR doesn’t go below 30u. This way we could maximize profits when its trending. Then the author system started going horribly wrong. Now I made the quickest decision in my life to stop playing author system and recover it using the best performing system so far, the double treble. All went smooth from there until I reached all mini game targets.
As you can see from the BR trend, it was a very pleasant game. Looking back at what I achieved, it all can be summarized into one sentence “100 down, 19000 to go :) “
Summary : Session was played in BV. 136 spins. +75 units. 0.5$/unit. Max draw down - 22u.
Another day, another session. darn! Need to be more careful on this. Three mistakes today. Played 2 sessions. BR below.
In case someone is interested in how I am playing this. Attached. Please feedback.
link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=QwmBh-XAqNU
Up by another 105u or 52.5GBP
Well done Priyanka, thanks for the video and for sharing; I will have a look at it and provide feedack.
Hmm!! Am I doing something wrong. I am eating, sleeping and drinking roulette these days. My house is full of papers with various calculations. My PC is filling up with excel sheets and short programmes. Its a tough world out there. Either am working or dancing or thinking roulette! As testing is taking most of the time, have hardly had time to play in real play. It is +100$ since I last reported, with +50$ coming in the last two sessions I just finished playing with 0.5$ units. I have played 8 sessions from last post with a mixed bag of results. Pretty much the same formula, a mixture of systems per session on a mixture of betting locations with one system that runs through (either GUT or finale countdown or Brett Morton's against the wheel ECs or 3 in a bed or Quad cycle).
Coming to the unit size, thanks a lot Samster for the advice. I have decided to stick to 0.5$ units until I reach 1000$. Statistics of the last two sessions that I just completed is as below.
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Coming to testing, as you all know I have a passion for lines. Got an advice from Proofreaders to go for repeaters! So worked on multiple systems based on repeaters and have boiled down to one now. Chrisbis has kindly agreed to help me in testing. Hopefully, by the next blog it should be in a solid state. The concept behind the system and testing is that spin numbers are unpredictable and hence the focus is on Money management rather than the bet selection.
Forgot to mention, for the first time I had two busts on Easy peasy system. As it was my starting system for any session, I had no option but to terminate those sessions, without playing further. Am glad, this is still holding up.
Had a random thought based on questions from MBB. Still I haven't got an answer. what's the difference between selecting a betting location based on any betselection and randomly selecting the betting location. For eg: if I am playing Easy peasy, why should I use BO/RE etc to arrive at high and line 3 or low and line 4. Why not toss a coin and choose one of them. what's the difference. In my tests so far, there seems to be no difference. I understand having a static bet selection might give sleepers which you will get caught on, but random selection is as dynamic as it could get? Any thoughts?
Yanks
In your last session, your had a 23% ROI. That is excellent. I would consider keeping on with what you are doing.
Sam
Thanks Sam for the encouraging words. I am happy to report that I am another 100$ up in the next 6 sessions. First 3 sessions were absolute losses and I had to stop the 3rd session in between to take a break. I thought this is it! Random is now at me!
Then I resumed and recovered the losses in 1 session with the next 2 sessions resulting in profit. The last session was absolute cakewalk. It was the shortest session I every played.
Now I am taking a short break from real play to do more testing. I am also trying to do more trials for the next week to answer one single question that has been burning me for the last 2 weeks. Is random selection any worse than methodical selection? Why is static bet selection not good?
what do you mean by "static bet selection"? Remember, roulette can give you ANY number. If u give preference to certain numbers in your bet selections, your playing is DOOMED on a long run. Because it is biased. And the wheel is not-- in this certain case.
Test mode RNG roulette is easier suck in free play (virtually at no cost to the casino). Easier play lets a lot of methods/systems appeear a winner. Program E for EASY.
Real money RNG roulette mode play is set so the casino wins over 50% of the $$$$/money pool & so lots of players lose more often. Program H for HARD.
Ref : DOCUMENTED PROOF OF CHEATING RNG SOFTWARE. Find it in search on this forum, VLS & google.
I know it's your money but why DONATE it to casinos ?
i used to play betvoyager, i felt big difference with playtech RNG. I felt playtech RNG cheating and betvoyager not.
But i quit betvoyager though was winning. Why? RNG is still RNG. And real wheel is a real wheel. If u deal with both for long enough and try to analyze it, you will come to conclusion that real wheel is much more preferable.
Think about it. Many people were banned from live games in online William Hill casinos, but not from RNG. Why? Take a guess.
Quote from: iggiv on Jul 28, 12:39 PM 2013
i used to play betvoyager, i felt big difference with playtech RNG. I felt playtech RNG cheating and betvoyager not.
But i quit betvoyager though was winning. Why? RNG is still RNG. And real wheel is a real wheel. If u deal with both for long enough and try to analyze it, you will come to conclusion that real wheel is much more preferable.
Think about it. Many people were banned from live games in online William Hill casinos, but not from RNG. Why? Take a guess.
I wouldnt ever consider RNG. Ive seen prospects change after a dealer change hundreds of times. it makes a difference after a dealer change.
Great video on July the 12th Yanks................I even go t to like the sound option!! lol
[reveal]I nearly always turn the sound of, and put a soothing CD/Track on instead.[/reveal]
Interesting to watch how the game ebbs and flows up and down the BR fractions!!
Quote from: iggiv on Jul 28, 09:10 AM 2013
what do you mean by "static bet selection"? Remember, roulette can give you ANY number. If u give preference to certain numbers in your bet selections, your playing is DOOMED on a long run. Because it is biased. And the wheel is not-- in this certain case.
Iggiv,
I meant something like an action number 22 system. It is a static bet selection. So your advice is not to follow methods like this even though it is being popularized by a renowed person like JP?
Cheers
Yanks!
Quote from: Turner on Jul 28, 05:18 PM 2013
I wouldnt ever consider RNG. I've seen prospects change after a dealer change hundreds of times. it makes a difference after a dealer change.
Thanks Turner and iggiv. Will keep that in mind!
Quote from: Turner on Jul 28, 05:18 PM 2013
I wouldn't ever consider RNG. I've seen prospects change after a dealer change hundreds of times. it makes a difference after a dealer change.
To my apostrophe-hatin' buddy from across the post with a new baby in the collective family....
What if your current run of RNG numbers was just what you wanted them to be? A change would not be so good.
While Ralph teaches that each number from BV is exactly the same as every other number in the way it is chosen, one trot will just kill me and one will make me whole. They can be very different. Killing BV and starting over can be very helpful or very hurtful.
Samster
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 29, 09:03 AM 2013
To my apostrophe-hatin' buddy from across the post with a new baby in the collective family....
What if your current run of RNG numbers was just what you wanted them to be? A change would not be so good.
While Ralph teaches that each number from BV is exactly the same as every other number in the way it is chosen, one trot will just kill me and one will make me whole. They can be very different. Killing BV and starting over can be very helpful or very hurtful.
Samster
Sam....my punctuation and spelling are plain aweful....agreed.
i am a purist....and just feel that when you pit youself against roulette...it should include a wheel...ball and a dealer ...all 3 are missing with RNG.
Imagine you went to the casino and there were no wheels. Everything same but the dealer pressed a button and after last bets...and 6 seconds....a number showed on the marque.
How sh#t would that be?
Turner,
Its not a fair comparison. Agreed! Random produced by RNG is not true random generated by wheel, ball and dealer. But the comparison you make is the way one sees the whole experience. I might prefer using my mobile phone to browse, while my dad prefers his laptop. The experience is different, the concept is same. To me the concept across RNG and wheel based play is same. You get a random output from 0 to 36 and the players bet on their preferred set of odds. The experience is different. Some might like the music of balls on the wheel and the dealers calling no more bets. I absolutely love it. Some might like sitting in front of the screen and watching simulated numbers appearing in the cosy comfots of home sipping a coffee. Its a personal choice. I personally don't enjoy it as much as I cherish the casino atmosphere. As long as both are not rigged, it is a fair play in both. But I take all your advice to not bet big or settle on RNG until I am able to develop my own opinion. But the experience is purely a personal choice in my humble view
Well, i am risking to make some of my friends angry, but after some of my experience in analyzing roulette i came to conclusion that such stiff patterns of betting as JP's action numbers (betting it just flatbet) are doomed.
He uses it with some tricks (pullup and other stuff), so it may work maybe with combinations with tricks like that.
but if we talk just bet selection there should be something wider, more complicated and different than the same 22 numbers.
Quote from: Priyanka on Jul 29, 05:57 AM 2013
Iggiv,
I meant something like an action number 22 system. It is a static bet selection. So your advice is not to follow methods like this even though it is being popularized by a renowed person like JP?
Cheers
Yanks!
Priyanka....
As an engineer....i see it as a black box situation.
RNG is a black box. It has an output that no one here...no ralph or anyone could tell me the first thing about how it is generated and how much influence the owner has on it. It ideally is a fair random output...but that can only be an assumption. A lot of that assumption is removed by a real person spinning a real ball on a real wheel .
Its fixable...for sure...with magnets or air jets ....but thats far from my mind when playing a real wheel.
I just cant trust a black box in the hands of a cut throat industry.
Just my view...and its down to what you feel comfortable with i guess.
Its the difference between "I cant see them doing it" with RNG....which is a moral trust and "I cant see how they could be doing it" with a real wheel....which is a visual observation.
Quote from: iggiv on Jul 29, 10:20 PM 2013
Well, i am risking to make some of my friends angry, but after some of my experience in analyzing roulette i came to conclusion that such stiff patterns of betting as JP's action numbers (betting it just flatbet) are doomed.
:) All the best with your friends, am sure everyone is entitled a viewpoint :love:. And infact, I like your point of views as it helps me form my own perspective as you have gathered through your experience in analysing roulette. It is very VALUABLE!
Quote from: iggiv on Jul 29, 10:20 PM 2013
He uses it with some tricks (pullup and other stuff), so it may work maybe with combinations with tricks like that.
but if we talk just bet selection there should be something wider, more complicated and different than the same 22 numbers.
At the moment, yes at the moment, am holding a balanced view. It might change after I see myself going through 100s of thousands of spins. My view is there are trends you can catch. And there are anti-trends you can catch as well. It all is embedded in a time capsule. The world of random makes the trends and anti-trends fluctuate, no body has a control on it. This is one dimension.
The second dimension the degree of predictability on these trends and anti-trends. Sometimes the degree of predictability is higher and at times it is lower. So indirectly, things might work well going with the predictions in a time capsule and in a different time capsule, things might work well going against the prediction.
Within this three dimensions of time capsule, trends and degree of predictability lies the success/failure. Trends and degree of predictability are controlled by nature, where you cannot express your control on. Time capsule is again controlled by nature but I believe (Yes, at the moment I believe) that you can influence it to a certain extent. Not exhibiting an intrusive influence by being able to change it, but by exhibiting a passive influence to control your play through mini sessions with well defined stop-loss rules and target rules that will make you feel happy and create a positive air around you.
This thought is what is leading me to believe that any effort spent on bet selection on the "Where" part is an effort wasted and for one to be successful the focus should be on the "Which" part of bet selection and the "How much(MM)" part of the play. Be it dynamic or static or random on the "Where" part, they all will lead to same/similar results is my hypothesis. To reiterate
I am not saying that static bet selection is good, I am just saying that a dynamic more complex bet selection process has the same influence as a static bet selection process in the final outcome over lets say 10 sessions played.
Quote from: Turner on Jul 30, 06:19 AM 2013
As an engineer....i see it as a black box situation.
UK is starting to trust more black box situation by outsourcing jobs to India. :)
Agree with you Turner, it is more like you would like a banker counting the notes in front of you even after putting the money on the weighing/counting scale to show what is the value of the bundle. I still remember how my dad used not to trust internet payments and we never shopped anything on the net. I still remember how he boasted after my paypal account got hacked. We have very healthy debates on this topic at home. Probably, I should ask him his views on RNG. I am sure he hates it, as I have never seen him play online :)
A dynamic bet assumes that if you jump around, random won't find you. This is another form of "Hit and Run".
Yanks, I can tell you from years of watching a ball and an RNG that random can and will find you. You are correct, if I read you right, that dynamic and static--over time--will produce the same result.
Imagine a wheel doing this: R B R B for the next 100 spins. Will you ever see it? I seriously doubt it. Why? That's not random at all. So from that we know that the wheel MUST produce runs. It simply must; it can't avoid doing it. And it can't produce RRR for 50 spins and BBB for the next fifty.
So what you get is the runs and the chops intermingled. This will be true 100 years from now when we're all in Heaven cussing Random.
The answer is simple: Learn to get on red when red is going to run.
The answer is very complicated!!
Samster
If you find/read believe/that roulette is random,then you can't lose playing it randomly.
The true is that it isn't,as there are many factors that interfere its random behaviour.
Apart from rigging I can't think of any. Flat do you mind explaining more?
Can,and mostly do,influenced by dealers/some don't think this possible,I know it better/
by control room with very sophisticated modern artilery...ppl.not aware what those mafia
capable of doing to take money out of your pockets...am talking here of heavy/weight category
players,they always under control.Suggestion;never bay heavy chips on the table,play on several diff.tables.
Quote from: teo on Jul 30, 03:48 PM 2013
Can,and mostly do,influenced by dealers/some don't think this possible,I know it better/
by control room with very sophisticated modern artilery...people.not aware what those mafia
capable of doing to take money out of your pockets...am talking here of heavy/weight category
players,they always under control.Suggestion;never bay heavy chips on the table,play on several diff.tables.
Thanks flat. But that's again rigging at a sophisticated level isn't it. I read BM and he tells how dealers influence the game. We have a wheel at home. My dad can swing the ball with a high degree of accuracy to a position he wants in the table. He doesn't get it right always, but most of the times:)
So unless someone claims otherwise I can safely conclude that wheel produces random unless it is rigged!
Roulette is working such a way that most likely certain "static" or as i call it "stiff pattern" bets (like 22 action numbers) are usually doomed.
I told it many times, roulette reminds me of very clever boxer who looks for your "weak spots". Once he realizes
that u don't cover some numbers (for example other than 22 "action numbers") u will get those uncovered numbers more and more frequently when you play. That's how roulette works. You have to hold certain balance and cover more or less all the wheel during your playing (i mean within long time periods). That's why "static bets" are doomed.
Static bets are BIASED. And the wheel which you are playing is not. At least we don't know about any bias.
But you behave as if it were biased. When u use your "action numbers" bet and you expect it to win more than lose, you expect that roulette will give you more of those 22 numbers, than the rest of the numbers.
Which is wrong...Despite any trends you get...
Quote from: iggiv on Jul 30, 08:56 PM 2013
Static bets are BIASED. And the wheel which you are playing is not.
One little thought here iggiv. Whatever the bet selection is, finally the outcome is based on the accuracy of your prediction. I have not come across a single bet selection process that can accurately predict results so far. Statistically and mathematically they all lead to the same road. But that's my short stint and of course people like you who are experts might have more predictable methods. And that's the reason may be you are confidently able to say that static selection is doomed!
Its a hard learning process. It doesn't help that I cant visualize things and have to see things practically to understand it. That's why may be its taking time. But eventually I might say may be in a couple of years that "STATIC selection is doomed". But at the moment, until I see that myself I am inclined to believe that "
ANY selection is doomed".
Quote from: Priyanka on Jul 30, 09:36 PM 2013
I am inclined to believe that "ANY selection is doomed".
If that ends up being your final thoughts on roulette are you saying that "roulette IS unbeatable" ??? ??? ???
& yes for all those VB, & electronic roulette ppl out there, no I'm not including you.....
O0
@darko - They are my thoughts at the moment! I am just a no one knowing very little.
And my comments are targeted towards the "where" part of bet selection. I still believe in "Which" part of the bet selection and the "how much" part of it. "When" part of it is very complex for me to comprehend.
Quote from: Priyanka on Jul 30, 10:09 PM 2013
@darko - They are my thoughts at the moment! I am just a no one knowing very little.
And my comments are targeted towards the "where" part of bet selection. I still believe in "Which" part of the bet selection and the "how much" part of it. "When" part of it is very complex for me to comprehend.
I know your early on in your journey, & what I asked was IF your final thoughts were etc etc.....
re the "how much" part well to me that's simple flat betting :thumbsup:
gl
O0
Eventually you will get to just betting one chip on a number-
A Roulette player's goal in my opinion is to be able to quickly recognize
the sector of the wheel hitting and isolate the hottest number of the group.
Seekers of the Light
We must remember the wheel/RNG is an intimate object with no will. It will not seek out any numbers you leave uncovered for X number of spins. Granted, it "seems" to do this but it doesn't.
What it does do is hit those numbers to the point where, A) You give up because you can't stand the strain either mentally or monetarily. Or, B) Your progression hits the table limit. Remember, the wheel can stay erratic longer than you can stay sane and solvent.
That being said, there is no guarantee the uncovereds will ever come back to the norm as "regression toward the mean"--as far as roulette is concerned--is pure Gambler's Fallacy. Oh, they may in a Rouzillion spins, but who lives that long?
I heard/read this: I don't want to know what's going to happen in the next million spins; I want to know what's going to happen in the next ten.
Sam
JUMPING TO AND FRO
This will not work either. You can pick a group of three and constantly change which three you are betting against. This is dynamic betting vs static. After you have placed your bets, the wheel/RNG has the final say. It can hit anywhere it wants! And it will hit your three numbers to the point of breaking you because you are betting 33 or 34 to force the wheel to hit your three to make you lose.
Much of what I say comes from running robots for untold millions of spins. It's not just my ideas; it's something I've actually tested. No, I don't have the data. When you touch the hot stove, you needn't write a thesis about it; just don't touch the stove again!
...........And that's my bloviation for the day. What?? What's with the standing ovation??? >:( >:( >:(
Sam
Falkor, you aiming at this? there was also something with quads link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=1QB7A8oWtvs
is this you? lol the youtube name gilius 2k15? falkor 2k15? :xd: